If PS3' price is a big issue for you than this might help!!!

[quote name='chaarlieee']That is something you do not know. You're assuming. So far, the PS3 is selling out of preorders everywhere, so you're wrong until after the first run is released.

I'm sure that the PS3 is going to sell out of their second run also since it's going to be another limited run, unless the first run is so faulty that people don't want to buy it. But when things are limited, they sell.

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Your right, i dont know per say, its just my opinion. I dont think it will sell as many as the wii though, becuse of the price. and becuse of this, i dont think that it will have the best games, becuse the titles on the ps2 that were taken for granted to be on the ps3 may not be on the ps3 if the wii sells more then the ps3.

[quote name='DJSteel']i also don't get how games fail if blu ray isn't accepted or fails??[/quote]
Its becuse its a combo thing. the market of the ps3 is assumeing that both succed or the investment in the ps3 isent worth it. Right now sony is avoiding taxes in japan becuse all thier money has been droped into cell and blue ray. If blue ray fails it could take more then just the ps3 down with it. The ps3 is loosing money on every console it sells, the wii is makeing money on every console it sells. This is becuse the price of the ps3 to make is more then 600 while the price of the wii is under 200. sony invested a ton of money on the ps3's blue ray, if it flops, it will be just like universal media discs. Those flopped and becuse of that, thier are not many psp games. Thats the problem i think with the ps3, its too connected to too many things that really have the potential to kill the system.

again, my opinion, but i dont think the market is ready for blue ray. The ps2 sold as it did becuse it was a bargen. people wanted dvds at the time and i know many famelies that got a ps2 just becuse of the dvd player, and becuse they could also give thier kids a video game system. Two birds with one stone. Blue ray now is forceing itself into the maket with the games. They hope to make up the money the loose on the ps3 with rights to blue ray makeing it the standard for hd content. it is is a very diffrent situation then the ps2. The problem is, sony dosent know the diffrence between the two. they think the ps3 will be just like the ps2. It wont happen like the ps2, trust me. I dont know what i will happen, but i do know that if the blue ray fails, the ps3 will tank, and it will fail.

this console war wont be wone with 2 million units, or 4 million or even 8 million. Those could all sell out. Its who sells 30 million or 70 million. That will be the winner. Is the market ready for the ps3 and blue ray? no i dont think so. In 3 or 4 years i think it will be, but by then, the next console war will be around the conner. The ps3 just wont have mass market appeal like the ps2. Its too expensive and blue ray is just to risky. If blue ray succeeds and beats hd dvd, then the ps3 has a chance, and may be like the ps2, but right now, its just too soon to say for sure. Give it 1 or 2 years. The price of hd tv's also will effect the market of the ps3 almost directly. I wouldent be supprized if sony drops the prices of thier hd tv's to sell blue ray.
 
[quote name='Puppy']An add on to what? What are you talking about?[/QUOTE]
I think he means for PS1/2 games, maybe? Of course, that's wrong. You only need an add-on to transfer old PS1/2 saved games.

As I've said before, there is a great deal of misinformation out there on the PS3 and Wii still. Things will be much clearer in a few short weeks, and then better comparisons can be drawn between the value of the three. Still, at the end of the day, you get value out of what you enjoy. There are people who will tell you the Neo-Geo was a bargain at the time, and it was compared to purchasing full cabinets.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']You, I, and everyone else knows there will be a price drop on it within a year. Sony will get a nice sales bump at first, but that will be a lot of people reselling them on eBay. After that, sales of the Wii will consistantly be more. And you know that will just eat at Sony's ass.[/quote]

Hmm, your IQ level is almost the same as Daddy's.....Dont worry you'll get there soon! Dont give up chubbs!
 
[quote name='White-Wolf']
Its becuse its a combo thing. the market of the ps3 is assumeing that both succed or its price is not worth it. The ps3 is loosing money on every console it sells...[/quote]

So is the 360. The PS3 probably includes a Blu Ray drive to trojan horse that format into living rooms, but it is an advantage for games, and long term won't cost much different from a DVD drive. In fact long term Sony may be able to build a Blu Ray drive cheaper than Microsoft can buy a DVD drive.

...if it flops, it will be just like universal media discs. Those flopped and becuse of that, thier are not many psp games.
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Huh? That's a complete non sequitur. In the first place, there are tons of PSP games. And UMD movies selling or not has nothing to do with the PSP's success as a GAME system. Ditto for the Playstation 3. I have no plans to buy any Blu Ray or HD-DVD discs until the format war is over (if then). But that in no way makes me want a Playstation 3 less.

...I dont know what i will happen, but i do know that if the blue ray fails, the ps3 will tank, and it will fail.
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And again...why? What do the two have to do with each other? That's like arguing the Gameboy Advance was a failure because not many people bought videos for it.

Regarding the pricing...I think that's up in the air too. It's roughly the same price as the 360 (more or less depending on how you look at it), and the 360 seems to be selling pretty well. Only about half as well as Microsoft predicted, but still quite well. The market seems to be able to bear expensive consoles now. Remember that the 360 and PS3 won't always cost this much.

Sony has one HUGE advantage over Microsoft (and even Nintendo to an extent). They still have the Playstation 2 as a healthy market. They can still grab people that are cost sensitive. The PS2 should have at least one more solid year, plus years of bargin crap, so Sony has a lot more wiggle room in that sense than Microsoft.

Of course I think there's a huge chance the Wii could be incredibly successful, partially just going by the DS success. Partially because of good will. Partially because of the cheaper price. And partially because the control scheme might really be a revolution.

Going by projected numbers, I think Wii will have surpassed the 360, if not by December 31, then by the first months of 2007. At that point development may start shifting to Wii (there were hints if it does well Dragon Quest 9 might be a Wii game instead of PS3).

And remember that Wii and Playstation 3 will DESTROY 360 in Japan. Wii will probably exceed 360 in it's first day. So I think long term both Wii and PS3 will continue having better Japanese support than 360.
 
this didn't help. this didn't help at all!

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[quote name='Daddy']Thinking something looks cool is one thing it actually being good is another, opinion is opinion sorry you follow the crowd.[/quote]

more people I know are acting like you, minus the ingnorant BS that you are shovelling, I cannot disagree more with your mindless trolling based on no facts or stats
 
[quote name='Maynard']Hmm, your IQ level is almost the same as Daddy's.....Dont worry you'll get there soon! Dont give up chubbs![/QUOTE]

Don't make me quote myself.
 
I agree Puppy, with alot of what you said, But i think that thier is a connection to umd and the success of the psp. I dont think the psp has very many good games, and they are not makeing money with movies on umd. I agree that comparieing umd to blue ray wasent a good example on my part.

I still dont think that what made the ps2 awsome, will work with the ps3. Its too soon.

I do think that the ps3 is more of a deal then the 360 though, if blue ray wins the hd tv war. Right now its to hard to tell.

Personaly i think that games on the ps2 are better then the games on the xbox, and i dont care for the games on the 360. I will be getting a wii as my first console, becuse i know it wont have bugs ect. I may get a ps3 later, if blue ray does well. I dont dislike the ps3 or anything, i just think sony is being a bastard with how they are presenting themselves with all the mud slinging. I also dont think its right to use gamers to launch blue ray. Seems way too greedy. I wish they would focuse just on makeing a game system, not a media system. I think the wii has it right though. I buy a video game system, and i get exactly that. You dont need a hardrive to play video games, or a dvd or blue ray player ect. I have a computer for that.
 
[quote name='gofishn']Everyone wonders why there's so much PS3 bashing here at CAG. Want to know the reason why? Because it's 600 freaking dollars! This web site is called Cheap Ass Gamer for a reason folks. Yes, I do own a 360 and I stretched my cheap ass budget to the limit to get one, but I did wait until I could get a good deal ($342 shipped from Overstock). Simply put, I can in no way afford to pay $599 for a video game console. Don't give me the "it's a bargain because it plays BluRay" bs argument. I like video games, and I would like to own a PS3 someday because just like in the last generation, Sony gets great 3rd party support. The more third party developers on board, the better chance we have of seeing better, more innovative, and more diverse games. Unfortunately, it's going to be some time before I own one because of the insane price.[/QUOTE]

If you were a true cheap ass you wouldn't be so stuck up in having to have the fully loaded version. It's no one's fault but your own you're not willing to buy the cheaper versions of either consoles.

You sound like the guy on the first page ranting about Sony forcing options on people and how MS lets you pick and choose, then next sentence complains about having to pay $600 for a PS3. Maybe if you guys weren't such hypocrites people might take you seriously.
 
[quote name='zerolens']
You sound like the guy on the first page ranting about Sony forcing options on people and how MS lets you pick and choose, then next sentence complains about having to pay $600 for a PS3. Maybe if you guys weren't such hypocrites people might take you seriously.[/QUOTE]

Maybe if you examined the first post more clearly you'd see the OP used the $600 model in his example/explanation. That's why the $600 was used in the responses on the first page. The $500 model wasn't even in the conversation at the time of those first responses.
 
[quote name='zerolens']If you were a true cheap ass you wouldn't be so stuck up in having to have the fully loaded version. It's no one's fault but your own you're not willing to buy the cheaper versions of either consoles.

You sound like the guy on the first page ranting about Sony forcing options on people and how MS lets you pick and choose, then next sentence complains about having to pay $600 for a PS3. Maybe if you guys weren't such hypocrites people might take you seriously.[/QUOTE]

Hypocrite? I fail to see anything hypocritical about my statement. If you want me to use the el cheapo PS3, fine, $500 is still too much to pay for a console. Happy now? Like I said, I got my premium 360 brand new for $342 shipped, no tax. So, I'm already starting out $158 cheaper than the bare bones PS3, with my loaded 360, and I'm not even counting the taxes I'd have to pay on that $500 (7.5% in my county). I'm not trying to play favorites with huge international corporations. MS and Sony are not the Yankees and the Red Sox. I have absolutely no stake in who "wins" the "console war". I'm not a Microsoft or Sony shareholder, I'm just a guy who likes to unwind by playing video games. I'm only loyal to whoever brings me the best games (that I can afford).
 
[quote name='captainfrizo']Maybe if you examined the first post more clearly you'd see the OP used the $600 model in his example/explanation. That's why the $600 was used in the responses on the first page. The $500 model wasn't even in the conversation at the time of those first responses.[/QUOTE]

Does the topic creator need to bring up the $500 version for you or anyone else to know it exists? Ranting about wanting options in what you want to buy then turning around and comparing it to the $600 version is being a hypocrite. The topic creator compared the $600 version because he added wifi to the 360. He could have easily dropped wifi and used the $500 version, it's the same difference regardless which example he uses.

He could have been much more bias by adding in multiple years of xbox live at $60 X 5 years if he wanted. He didn't factor in additional hard drive space either. Instead you want to nickel and dime about a headset, if you guys like using official MS and Sony branded products and configurations to make comparisons then it would be in your best interest to stop using the $600 version. To make an apple to apple comparison you would have to add in 2 additional 20GB hard drives ($200 more added) and $100 wifi.

Bottomline you're paying $100 more for blu-ray, it's that simple. We all know if it was using DVD like the 360 it would be $400, not $500. If they stripped out the hard drive and other things they could make it $300 like the core I'm sure. Yes blu-ray is being forced on you, no one is going to argue that. But once you and the others start comparing the $600 version then don't be surprised when the $100 wifi and additional money for hard drive space enter the argument.
 
[quote name='Strell']How is this fucking topic still open?[/QUOTE]

Gosh, mysterious Internet person who is dashing and wanted by all the ladies, I just don't know!
 
[quote name='gofishn']Hypocrite? I fail to see anything hypocritical about my statement. If you want me to use the el cheapo PS3, fine, $500 is still too much to pay for a console. Happy now? Like I said, I got my premium 360 brand new for $342 shipped, no tax. So, I'm already starting out $158 cheaper than the bare bones PS3, with my loaded 360, and I'm not even counting the taxes I'd have to pay on that $500 (7.5% in my county). I'm not trying to play favorites with huge international corporations. MS and Sony are not the Yankees and the Red Sox. I have absolutely no stake in who "wins" the "console war". I'm not a Microsoft or Sony shareholder, I'm just a guy who likes to unwind by playing video games. I'm only loyal to whoever brings me the best games (that I can afford).[/QUOTE]

It's hypocritical because you claim to be a cheap ass but then use a $600 price for the PS3 when in your situation you could easily consider the $500 version. Are you adding 40GB more to that $350 360 you bought? So why rant about the $600 price?

And you know how I can tell you're biased? Not only do you not see the problem in comparing the $600 version to any version of the 360, but you refer to the $500 version as "bare bones" and the 360 as "loaded". Who cares how they are marketed, the premium 360 and "bare bones" PS3 have almost identical equipment.

And even worse you bring into the argument the taxes you would pay on the $500 version, but make sure to tell everyone you got your 360 tax free. Gee I guess it's impossible for you to get a PS3 online like your 360 and avoid taxes but the 360 is so special you can order online and not have to pay taxes! We definetly need to factor that in, 360 is tax free but with the PS3 we have to factor in taxes!
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']I don't know who is more stupid, the OP or the morons in this thread that incessantly rip the PS3 sight unseen.[/quote]
...Or the people who are on Sony's tip before even playing the damn thing.

People want to pay $600 for a PS3? Sure! Go ahead! Knock yourself out! All the quicker it will drop in price when it becomes cheaper to produce. :bouncy: I can wait...
 
Reading through this thread one thing has become abundantly clear, you have fanboys for both systems. No matter what is said about either system someone will try and tell you why your wrong. I have only one thing to say as a cheap ass gamer, gofishn you got a good deal on a system that has been out for a year and hopefully we'll see deals like that on a ps3 in a year.
 
[quote name='millrat1030']Reading through this thread one thing has become abundantly clear, you have fanboys for both systems. No matter what is said about either system someone will try and tell you why your wrong. I have only one thing to say as a cheap ass gamer, gofishn you got a good deal on a system that has been out for a year and hopefully we'll see deals like that on a ps3 in a year.[/QUOTE]

I actually got it in like May, but the deal comes along all the time on Overstock and always gets posted in the deals section here.
 
[quote name='zerolens']It's hypocritical because you claim to be a cheap ass but then use a $600 price for the PS3 when in your situation you could easily consider the $500 version. Are you adding 40GB more to that $350 360 you bought? So why rant about the $600 price?

And you know how I can tell you're biased? Not only do you not see the problem in comparing the $600 version to any version of the 360, but you refer to the $500 version as "bare bones" and the 360 as "loaded". Who cares how they are marketed, the premium 360 and "bare bones" PS3 have almost identical equipment.

And even worse you bring into the argument the taxes you would pay on the $500 version, but make sure to tell everyone you got your 360 tax free. Gee I guess it's impossible for you to get a PS3 online like your 360 and avoid taxes but the 360 is so special you can order online and not have to pay taxes! We definetly need to factor that in, 360 is tax free but with the PS3 we have to factor in taxes![/QUOTE]

I don't usually get personal in threads like this, but you sir, are an idiot. How many times must I say this? For me, $500 is far too much to spend on a console. Where is the bias in that? Being cheap? Knowing the constraints of my budget and refusing to go beyond them?
 
Does the topic creator need to bring up the $500 version for you or anyone else to know it exists? Ranting about wanting options in what you want to buy then turning around and comparing it to the $600 version is being a hypocrite.

Let's try this one more time - my response was in response to the OP's post. He used the $600 version and I responded as so. If he had used the $500 version I would have been more than happy to respond to that as well. However, he didn't, so I didn't. Your comments were directed to my response and I was explaining to you what I said and why.

Secondly, I don't see how wanting the option to buy something instead of forced with the option is hypocritical at all. The $300 or $400 360 can ultimately be as expensive as the buyer chooses with regards to adding what what he/she wants. The final cost may be over $500 for everything or just the $400 for the premium console (hell, even $300 for the core). The $500 or $600 for the PS3 console will be the same $500 or $600 no matter what.

What if you don't care about wi-fi or HD-DVD? In my opinion its much better for the consumer that he/she can choose what he/she wants with regards to their console (and thus having more control over the price) than being forced with pre-installed features that they may not want/need that only increases the price. The automobile industry has been doing this for years, I don't think this should be a new concept.
 
[quote name='gofishn']I don't usually get personal in threads like this, but you sir, are an idiot. How many times must I say this? For me, $500 is far too much to spend on a console. Where is the bias in that? Being cheap? Knowing the constraints of my budget and refusing to go beyond them?[/QUOTE]

$500 is too much for me too, I mentioned that in another topic on here. And to go ahead and say it, I'm clearly biased, anybody here can see that. The reason I responded to your post to begin with is you were ranting about what being a cheap ass gamer is all about but were quoting the $600 price. You compared it to a tax free overstock price, comparing any xbox (unless you add options) to the $600 version is not an apple to apple comparison.

Your follow-up post showed you still didn't see the point I made, which is comparing the $600 version to an overstock price is silly. The PS3 is $100 more expensive, no if's and's or but's. If someone wants to nickel and dime about cables, batteries for a controller, a headset that's a personal decision each person makes about what they need.

I'm a supporter of the $300 360, I've said that in previous threads as well. I have no problem someone comparing that either, which now makes the PS3 $160 more expensive. Most people don't see any value in it when the premium version is only $60 more, but it goes to show that $60 is a small price to pay to step up to the next version for people in here, so $100 more for the PS3 will be a small price to pay as well for some of these same people. It's not about being a cheap ass, it's about what an individual person thinks a product is worth. But if you can't get past buying a "lesser" version of a console that's no one's fault but your own.

For people comparing $400 360 to $500 PS3 and prefer PS3 games believe me $100 is a small price to pay for getting the kind of games you want. Saving $50 on a 360 and buying a next-gen console early in its life where games haven't hit rock bottom yet doesn't scream "cheap ass" to me. $500 is too expensive for you and $350 for a 360 is ok for you, nothing wrong with that. But someone who buys a next-gen console that early and wants to compare to the $600 version (and I get the feeling that's actually the version of the PS3 you would buy ultimately because you still see the other version as "bare bones") isn't much of a cheap ass.

I'll be waiting for 65nm PS3, a $100 price drop, and games like Oblivion and Untold Legends to hit $30 or cheaper. I don't consider that being a cheap ass because it's still a $400 console and $30 games, the same as buying a year old $350 console isn't much of a cheap ass either.
 
u compared the prices good but dont forget that at first xbox was free online for about a yr or so. i think playstation is going do the same thing eventually
 
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PS3 is also a powerhog. I read somewhere on Digg that it will put your electricity bill up about 40 bucks a year. Not a lot, but it adds up.
 
[quote name='naes']PS3 is also a powerhog. I read somewhere on Digg that it will put your electricity bill up about 40 bucks a year. Not a lot, but it adds up.[/quote]

Xbox Live price > PS3 power bill price... i love how people are pulling electricity bills as a negative for a system... meanwhile who has tested this?
 
I love how some one quoted the original post to fuck up this page of the thread too. It's a good thing I'm a slut for pain.
 
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