I'm going to rent Rez and then "lose" it.

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With Blockbusters new NO LATE FEE policy, they assume you want to buy the game if you don't return it and will let you buy it. That is really the only way to legally and morally do it.
 
Just be careful with that No Late Fee thing...yeah they'll just charge you if you don't return it after a few weeks, but they don't specify the exact price they charge, whether it's MSRP or the rental copy cost...I'd ask first.
 
[quote name='youbastards']How is Microsoft or Bill Gates evil? I hear people say this everyday, but I have yet to see "proof" to back up people's opinions. People whine and complain about Bill Gates/Microsoft simply out of jealousy.

Grow up, you militant revolutionaries striving to fight the good fight against the evil M$ corporation! You sound like the cookie cutter characters Square comes up with for Final Fantasy (insert roman numeral here).

Instead of complaining on an internet forum about someone who is successful and has done something with his life, why don't you volunteer at a soup kitchen or the Humane Society (they need people to spend time with the homeless dogs and cats) to make yourself feel better about your place in society.

Here's another example of Evil Bill donating millions of dollars to schools to secretly fund his hidden agenda... =)

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1996/Nov96/ladonpr.asp


Oh, and as for the guy who is going to say his rental game was "stolen", they'll want a police report for their paperwork, so you should report it to the police first.[/QUOTE]

Why don't you grow up and realize that you are being lied to by corporations and the corporation-controlled congress / faith-based neo-con agenda that runs the new America. Bill has sure done something with his life - supressing useful technologies in favor of his mundane cookie-cutter bug-ridden Windows software. Spread FUD and prosper is Micro$oft's mantra.

Wow, Bill donated less then 1/100000 of his fortune to a charity. Color me unimpressed.
 
[quote name='camoor']Why don't you grow up and realize that you are being lied to by corporations and the corporation-controlled congress / faith-based neo-con agenda that runs the new America. Bill has sure done something with his life - supressing useful technologies in favor of his mundane cookie-cutter bug-ridden Windows software. Spread FUD and prosper is Micro$oft's mantra.

Wow, Bill donated less then 1/100000 of his fortune to a charity. Color me unimpressed.[/QUOTE]

Yea... but 1/100000 of his fortune is still more than 99% of the people on this planet will earn in their lifetime. :sad:
 
[quote name='tauruskatt']If you're after bill gates, or his coorperation, the smart thing to do would be to either pony up and buy/develop some alternatives to his products, or stfu.[/QUOTE]

We did that, it's called Linux.

Big surprise - Gates funded a SCO lawsuit against open-source Linux that was designed to bury open-source.

Yet it didn't totally succeed, because there are some corporations that will still fight FOR innovation (thank goodness).
 
First off, these copies of Rez were covered in dust at the bottom of a shelf in a dark corner and clearly haven't been rented in ages. Second, there were two copies. Third, I don't really care if I'm lying to them.

Hell, I'm actually thinking about going in there and saying "I can't give the game back for reasons I don't want to discuss and would like to pay the fine."

I really couldn't care less if I'm using their rental policy for different purposes than they intended. Oh no! I'm buying a game instead of renting it, ahhhh! I'm going to hell!
 
The funny thing is that I bought Rez from Blockbuster as a used game for $12.99 about 2 years ago. I bought it sight unseen even though I don't even have a PS2 at the time. SCORED! :)
 
Hmmm...maybe you won't have to pay for it after all. It's like it came to me in a dream, *rubs chin* fade out/fade in . . .


Jerry : So we're going to make the Post Office pay for my new stereo?
Kramer :It's just a write off for them.
Jerry : How is it a write off?
Kramer : They just write it off.
Jerry : Write it off what?
Kramer : Jerry all these big companies they write off everything
Jerry : You don't even know what a write off is.
Kramer : Do you?
Jerry : No. I don't.
Kramer : But they do and they are the ones writing it off.
Jerry : I wish I just had the last twenty seconds of my life back.

:rofl:

Uhhhh...well, Good Luck, I guess. :whistle2:--)
 
I've actually thought about doing this, too.

You know what site this is? It's "CheapAssGamer." You're a CheapAss. You don't rent games so you can lose them and then buy them just because they're hard to find. CAG has really improved my life. I do have a life, and did before this...but it's helpened brightened some otherwise mundane days. Reading about these deals and then sprinting out to various stores to try and nab them is half the fun. Hell, I hardly find myself playing most of what I buy...it just feels good to know you got it for as cheap as you did.

The temptation to pull off this scheme has to be high. Truth-be-told, if a game like Earthbound were the topic of discussion, I'd consider doing it. But I really don't think I would. It's like buying 10 copies of Ghost Recon 2 and then selling them over eBay. You're just stealing out on other CAGs by doing it.

Let's say nobody does rent it anymore. What if someone decides to give it a shot, takes it home and discovers its one of their favorite games of all-time? Unlikely? Maybe. But really, man...Don't take advantage of something like this. It's not a hard plan to contruct...just kind of the lame way out.

The rant continues: a few weeks ago, I was with a buddy looking for NHL '94. We hit up a local pawn shop. The manager told me he had more games on hand....he brought out a box. Inside I found Final Fantasy 2 and Chrono Trigger for SNES, each $10. I was thrilled. Finds like that do happen, and I am convinced that if you look hard enough you can find Rez -- and for a respectable price.

You desire for this game may be strong...but resist. Did you ever stop to consider that doing stuff like this may be the reason that we're stuck with these lame ass rules that lead so many of us to hating these big companies in the first place?
 
I don't take any offence to ngamer007 paying for his copy.

I only took offence to people thinking this was the same issue as stealing and somehow about "sticking it to the man!". :roll:

in other news, I never really rent anymore but maybe I should be looking through their games once in awhile anyway. :lol:
 
[quote name='SneakyPenguin']I'm considering doing this with the copy of Audition i got from Netflix seeing as how it's not available to buy at ALL.[/QUOTE]

Didn't know this was rare. Bought a copy of the special edition one two years ago and it seems to go for 50 bucks on ebay.
 
[quote name='soulyogurt']So much for all the people who were going to be able to actually -paly- Rez becuase this store had it to rent. This is straight up a lowly dishonest and rotten thing to do, and no amount of people saying 'no big deal as long as you pay for it' is going to make it right, or OK.

It's theft, it's removing a rare copy of something not too many people get a chance to play out of circulation.

Just considering the idea lowers your integrity score as far as I'm concerned, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I hope other people keep conversations like this in mind when about to trade with any of these people, I know I do.[/QUOTE]


I agree with this, I mean if they agree to sell it to you, fine, but i mean just because a game is rare doesn't mean you have to hoard it. A lot of gamers do not know which games are rare and which are not they just play games and taking games that are cool and appealing away from gamers isn't cool.

if they let you buy it off of them then go for it, but don't lie to get a rare game just so you can say you have it.. just like people who hoard all the good games when there is a good deal..
 
[quote name='tauruskatt']
I only took offence to people thinking this was the same issue as stealing and somehow about "sticking it to the man!". :roll:
[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't say it's just that. I find it annoying that people brag about things like this, it's not really a deal. Overtime I've known of several valuable games that were "lost" from gamestores and I hope BB has the sense to charge him what the game would actually cost to replace plus restocking fees.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']I wouldn't say it's just that. I find it annoying that people brag about things like this, it's not really a deal. Overtime I've known of several valuable games that were "lost" from gamestores and I hope BB has the sense to charge him what the game would actually cost to replace plus restocking fees.[/QUOTE]

I'd agree, it's somewhere in that quasi-shady area, very tempting just because it seems like an easy fix, but not really a "deal"...deals are what you search endless boxes for at yard sales or stumble upon when you're at the right place at the right time. I'm curious to find out what the fee will be though, let us all know if you call them.
 
[quote name='ngamer007']Hollywood video has a copy of Rez sitting on the shelf, with the box and instructions (it has a lock on it of course). I asked them if they would sell it, even made a very high offer which probably made me look insane, but the manager refused.

So I'm going back there tomorrow to rent it. I'll come back the day after that, and say it was stolen from me, and I'll just pay them for it.

It's not stealing because I'm actually going to go back and pay for it. But it's the only way I can get it. :O[/QUOTE]


You could then return it to Wal-Mart for a $50 game... ?????
 
[quote name='lordopus99']This idea is as ethical as returning stuff to Walmart at a profit with no receipt.[/QUOTE]


So... Not at all?
 
[quote name='camoor']Why don't you grow up and realize that you are being lied to by corporations and the corporation-controlled congress / faith-based neo-con agenda that runs the new America. Bill has sure done something with his life - supressing useful technologies in favor of his mundane cookie-cutter bug-ridden Windows software. Spread FUD and prosper is Micro$oft's mantra.

Wow, Bill donated less then 1/100000 of his fortune to a charity. Color me unimpressed.[/QUOTE]


http://www.gatesfoundation.org/default.htm

STFU, thanks. how many 1/100000ths of your fortune have you donated? I think Bill has donated a couple 100 million dollars(and counting) to fighting various causes, including AIDS and building infrastructure in the 3rd world in order to help them progress a little faster, technologically speaking. that's more than most anybody can claim and it sure as hell has made an impact. plz go back to your computer, which is probably running XP and bitch about how you get spyware from porn sites while blaming corporations like MS for everything wrong in the world. maybe you've never heard of monsanto....
 
PS> for the OP--a flip top, swap magic discs and an imported copy of Rez may even be cheaper than what the rental store will charge ya for "losing" a copy. and then you can play imports and other stuff on yer ps2.


and BTW, if you don't have a thumping sound system or a way to play with headphones, Rez won't be half as fun.
 
[quote name='tauruskatt'] I'm curious to find out what the fee will be though, let us all know if you call them.[/QUOTE]

Same here, it will be funny if they want more than ebay prices.:lol:
 
I've been trying to think of another situation that this might be comparable to and the only thing I could come up with was this:
What if there was a classic car that someone had and you borrowed it. Say, a '64.5 Mustang. You decide you want it but you dont want to pay what its worth. "Oppps, I lost your car...since you paid like $3000 when it was new, here thats what Ill give ya to replace it"
Guess its none of my business, and you can and will do whatever you want, but in my eyes it just doesnt seem right. You aren't accounting what Rez is "worth" on the market....getting close to 70-100 dollars a copy on Ebay. Now if you went in there, did your little plan and they said "Well, the game is worth $100 now...thats what you owe us" what would you do? You would return the game saying you got it back, wouldnt you? Why? Because you wouldn't be getting it for cheaper than you SHOULD be getting it for in your mind. You are benefitting by deceiving...thats fraud. Please don't take me for some lover of Blockbuster either. I really don't care for them and the only reason I go in any of them is cause one of the local ones has a Gamerush in it.
Like I said before, Im sure you will do whatever you want, and thats your call. It just saddens me to think that any random person viewing our site for the first time will stumble on this thread and think that all us CAGers will do ANYTHING and cross ANY line to get a game.
 
[quote name='Apossum']http://www.gatesfoundation.org/default.htm

STFU, thanks. how many 1/100000ths of your fortune have you donated? I think Bill has donated a couple 100 million dollars(and counting) to fighting various causes, including AIDS and building infrastructure in the 3rd world in order to help them progress a little faster, technologically speaking. that's more than most anybody can claim and it sure as hell has made an impact. plz go back to your computer, which is probably running XP and bitch about how you get spyware from porn sites while blaming corporations like MS for everything wrong in the world. maybe you've never heard of monsanto....[/QUOTE]

LOL you'd love it if everyone just wore the uniform and marched in line, wouldn't you.

Believe me, proportionally what Gates donates is a pittance to make ignorant idiots like you kiss his feet. Go back to worshipping the amoral companies of the world, when we're fighting the next war for oil or screwing the next generation of blue collar workers over on benefits, it will be idiots like you who are to blame.
 
[quote name='camoor']LOL you'd love it if everyone just wore the uniform and marched in line, wouldn't you.

Believe me, proportionally what Gates donates is a pittance to make ignorant idiots like you kiss his feet. Go back to worshipping the amoral companies of the world, when we're fighting the next war for oil or screwing the next generation of blue collar workers over on benefits, it will be idiots like you who are to blame.[/QUOTE]


no dude. just no. I hate corporations just as much as you...but as far as corps go, Gates and MS are like the least of our countries problems. it's those fuckers like Monsanto, Haliburton and various other massive agribusiness + oil companies who are causing problems and intertwining themselves with politicians. sure, gates is filthy fucking rich beyond belief and has a stranglehold on the computer market, but just to be objective, he does an exponential amount more good than your average corporate ceo or president who hangs on to every last soiled dollar they own.
He's got a lot more than he donates, but he donates + raises $100s of millions of dollars...maybe even close to a billion total...I don't care how much of an ego trip it is-- that's an effort any way you slice it and i dont think the people on the receiving end care if it comes from an egotistical bastard or anything.
 
[quote name='jevon90']Don't criticize a person for thinking about something like this...he posed a question. Sounds like you would've been pretty pro-mccarthy back in the day(not jny)[/QUOTE]

Bull. McCarthism was largly groundless persecution, even if you believed that communism was wrong, and if somehow you could not fit the right to be communist into your world view... what in the heck are you talking about, making these kinds of comments?

I can criticize all I want when someone muses online in a public forum about whether they can get away with theft or not. Mind you, it wasn't about whether it was wrong or not. And I can certainly hold this kind of willingness to steal, purloin and defraud against a person.
 
Back in the day Cockbuster had Uniracers for rent. It wasn't in stores anywhere (and eBay didn't exist) so I asked the guy at the register if I could buy it. He said it wasn't for sale, but if I never returned it they would charge me 20 dollars for it. So, thats what I did. No lying/deceit required.
 
[quote name='Apossum']no dude. just no. I hate corporations just as much as you...but as far as corps go, Gates and MS are like the least of our countries problems. it's those fuckers like Monsanto, Haliburton and various other massive agribusiness + oil companies who are causing problems and intertwining themselves with politicians. sure, gates is filthy fucking rich beyond belief and has a stranglehold on the computer market, but just to be objective, he does an exponential amount more good than your average corporate ceo or president who hangs on to every last soiled dollar they own.
He's got a lot more than he donates, but he donates + raises $100s of millions of dollars...maybe even close to a billion total...I don't care how much of an ego trip it is-- that's an effort any way you slice it and i dont think the people on the receiving end care if it comes from an egotistical bastard or anything.[/QUOTE]

Well, you're on the right track realizing the dirty tricks that the Oil companies play.

Gates is as guilty as any crisis-profiteering oil tycoon, he just has more money for slick advertising and can pull a better snowjob. Any hard-working honest person who donates a reasonable fraction of their time/money to charity has more good karma in their left toenail then Gates. It's not the amount you donate, it's what good you have done for society taken as a whole. Forgive me if I don't choose to meekly pander to the profiteering power-mongers of the new world.
 
[quote name='soulyogurt']Bull. McCarthism was largly groundless persecution, even if you believed that communism was wrong, and if somehow you could not fit the right to be communist into your world view... what in the heck are you talking about, making these kinds of comments?

I can criticize all I want when someone muses online in a public forum about whether they can get away with theft or not. Mind you, it wasn't about whether it was wrong or not. And I can certainly hold this kind of willingness to steal, purloin and defraud against a person.[/QUOTE]

Actually, McCarthy wasn't crazy for thinking that Communism had infiltrated Hollywood and some facets of the government in that era. It was his tactics of bullying and effectively blackballing actors out of work, rather then conducting fair trials, that caused people to turn on him.
 
[quote name='tauruskatt']I'm so lost on how this went from being about a rental copy of Rez -> Communism.[/QUOTE]

I turn things into OTTs and Camor turns them into Vs. topics.:D
 
[quote name='camoor']Well, you're on the right track realizing the dirty tricks that the Oil companies play.

Gates is as guilty as any crisis-profiteering oil tycoon, he just has more money for slick advertising and can pull a better snowjob. Any hard-working honest person who donates a reasonable fraction of their time/money to charity has more good karma in their left toenail then Gates. It's not the amount you donate, it's what good you have done for society taken as a whole. Forgive me if I don't choose to meekly pander to the profiteering power-mongers of the new world.[/QUOTE]

forgiven ;) but i'd like to know what exactly he is guilty for. there's lots of rumors about him stealing the MS dos code and all that...but a lot of it just seems to come from fumbling IT guys. also, computers have done a lot for our society as a whole...and MS is pretty much the catalyst for making computers accessible and useful for a wide variety of applications...does that count as doing good? How does karma play into it? also, poverty is a lack of money, so donating lots of it helps 3rd worlders a great deal. it's not about karma or anyone's personal balance of money and good deeds- it's just that every little bit helps, period..no matter what source.
you just seem to be spouting typical "just got done with my 1st semester at liberal arts college" rhetoric. you actually need hard proof to back this stuff up
 
[quote name='WinnieThePujols']

You desire for this game may be strong...but resist. Did you ever stop to consider that doing stuff like this may be the reason that we're stuck with these lame ass rules that lead so many of us to hating these big companies in the first place?[/QUOTE]

I'm going to side with you on this. While I think it sounds tempting, my own moral compass would need a lot of shaking to follow thru on such an idea.

Some would say UI was a "wuss", but I just generally believe I was raised right.
 
I don't mean to flame, But I do think it is wrong to rent a game from a rental place and pretend to lose it just because its rare. They were not on sale for a reason, they probably know many people will rent them and try that game out because it rare. They were probably making a profit out of it. Last time i checked it was just a rare copy, but not too much of a fun game.

People learn thier lessons if they know it was rare from the beginning, buy it that time, or else.. move on with your life. I brought Halo Xbox edition as it was on sale and it was so limited to 200,000. So I got it for a cheapy $169.00.. saved more than twice as much than those who brought it on Ebay when it was rare.. averaging 350-400.
 
You know, I can't say this is ethical, but is what blockbuster is doing ethical?

No more late fees...but they forget to mention you will be charged retail for the movie that you bring in too late.

Isn't that what they are trying to do anyway? Any movie you keep, they sell it to you for $25 or $30, where the actual price on the shelves is going to be $15.

So they make profit on you keeping it, almost double of what it would cost retail.


I do agree though, if you ask to buy a game...they say no, and a week later you rent and lose it...very shady.


Good luck.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']All I'll say is Bill Gates' employees are WELL paid and many retire in their 30s. At least he takes care of his employees.[/QUOTE]

Source?
 
[quote name='darkje']You know, I can't say this is ethical, but is what blockbuster is doing ethical?

No more late fees...but they forget to mention you will be charged retail for the movie that you bring in too late.

Isn't that what they are trying to do anyway? Any movie you keep, they sell it to you for $25 or $30, where the actual price on the shelves is going to be $15.

So they make profit on you keeping it, almost double of what it would cost retail.


I do agree though, if you ask to buy a game...they say no, and a week later you rent and lose it...very shady.


Good luck.[/QUOTE]

Someone else's unethical behavior still doesn't excuse what you as an individual do.
 
[quote name='heffaji']Someone else's unethical behavior still doesn't excuse what you as an individual do.[/QUOTE]

Forgive the posters on this board who don't bend down and take it from corporate America. Now that the bar has been raised (again) for filing class action lawsuits, consumers need to empower themselves using any means available.

I haven't even seen where this is explicitly found to be illegal.
 
[quote name='camoor']Forgive the posters on this board who don't bend down and take it from corporate America. Now that the bar has been raised (again) for filing class action lawsuits, consumers need to empower themselves using any means available.

I haven't even seen where this is explicitly found to be illegal.[/QUOTE]

Things don't have to be illegal to still be considered wrong to do. Anyway, in this situation Blockbuster isn't doing anything to him. The game is Blockbuster's property, they choose not to sell it, and until they do that should be the end of it.
 
[quote name='heffaji']Things don't have to be illegal to still be considered wrong to do. Anyway, in this situation Blockbuster isn't doing anything to him. The game is Blockbuster's property, they choose not to sell it, and until they do that should be the end of it.[/QUOTE]

Blockbuster screws over customers left and right (just look at the whole "no late fees" fiasco)

I submit that it is ok because it hasn't been proven illegal, and that it's morally the right thing to do because it's excercising the consumer's power to make a deal (why do ppl here think that deals always need to be in the corporations favor - can't a consumer ever benefit from a deal?)
 
[quote name='camoor']Blockbuster screws over customers left and right (just look at the whole "no late fees" fiasco)

I submit that it is ok because it hasn't been proven illegal, and that it's morally the right thing to do because it's excercising the consumer's power to make a deal (why do ppl here think that deals always need to be in the corporations favor - can't a consumer ever benefit from a deal?)[/QUOTE]

It's part of supply/demand- the seller's got the supply, so if the consumer wants their demand met, they gotta deal with whatever BS the suppiler's got (or find a new one.) Think about it- if you had an extra copy of Rez, would you sell it for 10 bucks so the buyer can benefit instead of you?

Anyway- giving this a bit of thought (cuz I don't have anything better to do at work :) ), I think it boils down to the fee they'd charge. If it is just the 20-25 dollar thing, then you've got a moral dilemma. If they do charge a fair asking price (I dunno how much Rez sells for, so I dunno what that would be), and you're wiling to pay it, then it's not so bad- they'll be able to replace the game, and you get your copy without risking Ebay scams. Everybody wins.
 
Flip top + swap magic discs + Rez import = ~$80 and then you can play all the imports(and other stuff) you want
 
[quote name='Apossum']Flip top + swap magic discs + Rez import = ~$80 and then you can play all the imports(and other stuff) you want[/QUOTE]

or you could do what I've already mentioned earlier in the thread.

Dreamcast = $19.99 + tax
 
For one thing, Blockbuster does not double the price.

It charges you the price of the movie as if it was a preowned movie and it even takes off the price that you paid to rent it.

Maybe you should learn your facts before you rip into a company.


Also, I just want to know if he went through with it or not and how much it cost
 
[quote name='MegoW64']For one thing, Blockbuster does not double the price.

It charges you the price of the movie as if it was a preowned movie and it even takes off the price that you paid to rent it.[/QUOTE]

What? My Mom rented Spanglish the other day, and I looked at the reciept. It said "Keep it for $23.00 more."

That doesn't make any sense.
 
Bah, don't fool yourself. It's something slightly immoral to do, but it's not on par with killing someone or anything like that. If you can live with it(which I could), just do it.
 
[quote name='darkje']You know, I can't say this is ethical, but is what blockbuster is doing ethical?

No more late fees...but they forget to mention you will be charged retail for the movie that you bring in too late.

Isn't that what they are trying to do anyway? Any movie you keep, they sell it to you for $25 or $30, where the actual price on the shelves is going to be $15.

So they make profit on you keeping it, almost double of what it would cost retail.


I do agree though, if you ask to buy a game...they say no, and a week later you rent and lose it...very shady.


Good luck.[/QUOTE]

So what? If you want to be the run-of-the-mill customer that falls for gimmicky slogans like that, then be my guest. When you join Blockbuster you agree to their terms and policies. If you fall for something like that, it's your fault for not being informed. Nothing is ever as good as it sounds in retail.

Is it shady on their part? Somewhat. But it's not like they don't have this is writing somewhere.

Don't lose the game. It's childish.
 
[quote name='WinnieThePujols']So what? If you want to be the run-of-the-mill customer that falls for gimmicky slogans like that, then be my guest. When you join Blockbuster you agree to their terms and policies. If you fall for something like that, it's your fault for not being informed. Nothing is ever as good as it sounds in retail.

Is it shady on their part? Somewhat. But it's not like they don't have this is writing somewhere.

Don't lose the game. It's childish.[/QUOTE]

F that.

You want to be an obedient lap-dog to big business like the whiners in this thread for your whole life?

Do it.
 
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