I'm really disappointed about the Xbox360

um look at Playstation 2s launch titles.....boy did they suck flaming assholes. And everyone is so sure the PS3 will be so good at launch......well just watch as de ja vu hits and the same shit happens to them as Microsoft
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True. In fact, they sucked so bad I went out and bought a Dreamcast and a bunch of games and played it more then my PS2 for almsot a year.
 
I should probably clarify that I think the hardware is looking great. The graphics are incredible in COD2, too bad the game sucks. Actually I'm sure it's a great game, I just don't like linear FPS. So eventually I'm sure there will be plenty of great games for the system, and I will probably just forego the launch price and the scarcity of good games to eventually buy myself an XBox360 later on.
 
Ill just leave it at this. If you think the first batch of games sucks, thats ok. The second + batches will be better, guaranteed
 
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I got a chance to play the 360 at BB this weekend and it was awesome. COD is amazing. I cant wait until shadowrun comes out. Thats enought to warrent a purchase right there.
 
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Says the guy with Lisa in the venus as his avatar.

HYPOCRITE!

hehe
 
I'm not as excited as I hoped I'd be, but there's just no question about it. I absolutely have to get the first next-gen console and sequel to the Xbox! Besides, it would take Christmas for me to afford the thing anyway.
 
[quote name='weimerwanger']Says the guy with Lisa in the venus as his avatar. HYPOCRITE! hehe[/QUOTE]


My avatar's not a woman. It's a a few million polygons inside of a computer memory. It represents the state-of-the-art in humanform mimicry for videogames.

In contrast, the stripper is a real woman with ugly fake breasts. Yuck.
 
People need to give the 360 a chance. It will take developers a little while to get the hang of the 360. Many of launch games were not developed using the final development kit. I say wait a year and if the games still suck then you can write off the 360 as a disappointment. Does anyone remember what the first few PS2 games looked like (Fantavision, X-Squad, and Ridge Racer)? They looked like crap; all Jaggy and choppy. But pS2 games got better. Compared to PS2 launch games, the 360 launch games look like fine art. All I’m saying is that you can’t judge a system by its launch games (unless you’re a fanboy)
 
[quote name='mario23air']People need to give the 360 a chance. It will take developers a little while to get the hang of the 360. Many of launch games were not developed using the final development kit. I say wait a year and if the games still suck then you can write off the 360 as a disappointment. Does anyone remember what the first few PS2 games looked like (Fantavision, X-Squad, and Ridge Racer)? They looked like crap; all Jaggy and choppy. But pS2 games got better. Compared to PS2 launch games, the 360 launch games look like fine art. All I’m saying is that you can’t judge a system by its launch games (unless you’re a fanboy)[/QUOTE]

You cant really compare the 360 to PS2 cuz 360 is on a whole other level. When the PS3 is released, then the comparison can be made.
 
well you gotta ask, what does the 360 really offer over its predecessor? slightly enhanced graphics? great. here's my $400.
 
[quote name='pimp tyranny']well you gotta ask, what does the 360 really offer over its predecessor? slightly enhanced graphics? great. here's my $400.[/QUOTE]

And thats just it, at this point in time the 360 offers NOTHING that can't be found on the current generation. When Call of Duty 2 (also on the current gen) is being touted as the best game, there is something wrong. Sure Perfect Dark Zero may be good, but is it really that big of a jump over current FPS?
 
[quote name='manofpeace20']And thats just it, at this point in time the 360 offers NOTHING that can't be found on the current generation. When Call of Duty 2 (also on the current gen) is being touted as the best game, there is something wrong. Sure Perfect Dark Zero may be good, but is it really that big of a jump over current FPS?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, really.

I mean, why upgrade from a black and white 9 inch television to a 27 inch 4:3? And then why upgrade from that to a high def 72 inch DLP set? I mean, its all the same television. Wow, big deal, better, richer colors. Wupie doo. I have eyes, I can look around the real world to see "high definition".

And why get a better car? Shit, the 15 year old Toyota Corolla 4 banger may not look as pretty as your newer model Mustang, but it gets me where I need to go. Who cares if the rear doors fell off yesterday? The thing still drives.

In fact, I'm typing this message to you on a 200mhz Pentium 1 system. It gets on the Internet just fine. Sure it may be slower than your fancy schmancy 3 ghz system with a high speed connection, but its all the same internet. If you want to waste your money on an expensive computer, be my guest, but I don't see the point.

Look guy, either you understand it or you don't. You obviously don't. So have fun with your current gen shit. You're in the slow lane and I passed you up two days ago.
 
[quote name='pimp tyranny']well you gotta ask, what does the 360 really offer over its predecessor? slightly enhanced graphics? great. here's my $400.[/QUOTE]

Hey, pssst, here's a secret - computer gamers have been spending much more than $400 for slightly enhanced graphics for YEARS. Thanks for paying attention.
 
[quote name='mmn']Yeah, really.

I mean, why upgrade from a black and white 9 inch television to a 27 inch 4:3? And then why upgrade from that to a high def 72 inch DLP set? I mean, its all the same television. Wow, big deal, better, richer colors. Wupie doo. I have eyes, I can look around the real world to see "high definition".

And why get a better car? Shit, the 15 year old Toyota Corolla 4 banger may not look as pretty as your newer model Mustang, but it gets me where I need to go. Who cares if the rear doors fell off yesterday? The thing still drives.

In fact, I'm typing this message to you on a 200mhz Pentium 1 system. It gets on the Internet just fine. Sure it may be slower than your fancy schmancy 3 ghz system with a high speed connection, but its all the same internet. If you want to waste your money on an expensive computer, be my guest, but I don't see the point.

Look guy, either you understand it or you don't. You obviously don't. So have fun with your current gen shit. You're in the slow lane and I passed you up two days ago.[/QUOTE]

Actually buddy, I do understand. I understand that sometime in the next year the new generation will be in full gear, and will most likely be even cheaper than what is being charged now. If being in the slow lane means not rushing out to get the latest toy to be the cool kid on the block, then I guess myself and millions of others are clogging the right lane of traffic. I'm not saying the 360 sucks or anything like that, it just hasn't shown anything that requires me to make the jump just yet. So I think I'll play my current gen "shit" in the meantime.
 
[quote name='mmn']Yeah, really.

I mean, why upgrade from a black and white 9 inch television to a 27 inch 4:3? And then why upgrade from that to a high def 72 inch DLP set? I mean, its all the same television. Wow, big deal, better, richer colors. Wupie doo. I have eyes, I can look around the real world to see "high definition".

And why get a better car? Shit, the 15 year old Toyota Corolla 4 banger may not look as pretty as your newer model Mustang, but it gets me where I need to go. Who cares if the rear doors fell off yesterday? The thing still drives.

In fact, I'm typing this message to you on a 200mhz Pentium 1 system. It gets on the Internet just fine. Sure it may be slower than your fancy schmancy 3 ghz system with a high speed connection, but its all the same internet. If you want to waste your money on an expensive computer, be my guest, but I don't see the point.

Look guy, either you understand it or you don't. You obviously don't. So have fun with your current gen shit. You're in the slow lane and I passed you up two days ago.[/QUOTE]

Actually buddy, I do understand. I understand that sometime in the next year the new generation will be in full gear, and will most likely be even cheaper than what is being charged now. If being in the slow lane means not rushing out to get the latest toy to be the cool kid on the block, then I guess myself and millions of others are clogging the right lane of traffic. I'm not saying the 360 sucks or anything like that, it just hasn't shown anything that requires me to make the jump just yet. So I think I'll play my current gen "shit" in the meantime.
 
[quote name='mmn']
Look guy, either you understand it or you don't. You obviously don't. So have fun with your current gen shit. You're in the slow lane and I passed you up two days ago.[/QUOTE]

The problem is that the 360 just came out...so if one were forced to choose between the 360 and "current gen shit", I think the 360 would lose by a landslide, right? Sure, you can play a handful of good games on your 360, and you'll have a good time, or you can pick from any of the great games that came out for the 3 systems of this gen (cheap as hell for the most part, as an added bonus). I'll get a 360 eventually, but not until the price comes down a bit, and the games make me want to own one bad enough that I can't hold out anymore.
 
[quote name='hopesfall']The problem is that the 360 just came out...so if one were forced to choose between the 360 and "current gen shit", I think the 360 would lose by a landslide, right? Sure, you can play a handful of good games on your 360, and you'll have a good time, or you can pick from any of the great games that came out for the 3 systems of this gen (cheap as hell for the most part, as an added bonus). I'll get a 360 eventually, but not until the price comes down a bit, and the games make me want to own one bad enough that I can't hold out anymore.[/QUOTE]

And that's fine. Good choice. But what I don't get is why all these people who haven't gotten a 360 and don't want one right this second are in this forum bitching and moaning about it not being next gen enough. So if its not next gen enough for you, don't buy it. Its a simple solution to a stupid problem.

I won't be a getting a PS3 at launch. So you won't see me roaming around the PS3 forums going "XBOX 360 LOOKS BETTER AND HAS MORE GAMES LOLZ". The flame bait has been ridiculous in here lately. Its like some people want to try to justify their choice to stay with the current gen by coming in here and slamming the 360. It makes no sense.
 
[quote name='mmn']Hey, pssst, here's a secret - computer gamers have been spending much more than $400 for slightly enhanced graphics for YEARS. Thanks for paying attention.[/QUOTE]

so if all the PC gamers jump off a bridge (or on a 360), you would too?
 
[quote name='mmn']
I won't be a getting a PS3 at launch. So you won't see me roaming around the PS3 forums going "XBOX 360 LOOKS BETTER AND HAS MORE GAMES LOLZ". The flame bait has been ridiculous in here lately. Its like some people want to try to justify their choice to stay with the current gen by coming in here and slamming the 360. It makes no sense.[/QUOTE]


I don't understand. A few posts ago where you went on about the Corolla and the Mustang, etc....it seemed the whole point was about having the latest and great or stepping up just to step up. Then in almost the same breath you say you won't be getting a PS3 as quickly as you scooped up the new XBox, what gives? What's the difference?

Further, everyone is entitled to an opinion....flaming or not. People can justify their non-purchase any way they choose.....whether or not you agree....the graphical upgrade argument is a more than valid point. Some people could give a shit less about better graphics....especially when they are, once again, just catching up to the PC. And, since we're in a FORUM, you're going to hear about it. If the mods have a problem with the thread, it will be closed....but don't hold your breath.
 
[quote name='Borat']Then in almost the same breath you say you won't be getting a PS3 as quickly as you scooped up the new XBox, what gives? What's the difference? [/QUOTE]

The only thing Sony has shown me so far are movies. I go to the theater for that. That's the difference.
 
[quote name='mmn']The only thing Sony has shown me so far are movies. I go to the theater for that. That's the difference.[/QUOTE]

So you without a doubt won't be getting a PS3 at launch because at this far advanced time they are only showing movies? Obviously they are going to start to show game footage in the near future and chances are, those games are going to look better than the 360, graphically.
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']So you without a doubt won't be getting a PS3 at launch because at this far advanced time they are only showing movies? Obviously they are going to start to show game footage in the near future and chances are, those games are going to look better than the 360, graphically.[/QUOTE]

I could change my mind, but as of right now, nope, I'm not getting one.

Once they start releasing game footage, if it truly does look as good as Killzone did in their E3 trailer, then I'll probably get one.
 
[quote name='mmn']The only thing Sony has shown me so far are movies. I go to the theater for that. That's the difference.[/QUOTE]


That's a good point. Personally, I'm still going to wait for the PS3 simply because I want a point of reference. I doubt the Revolution is going to provide a graphical benchmark, but my prediction is that the gameplay is going to be insane on that thing.....so I'll be picking one up after I give it a whirl. In terms of the latest and greatest....there's no way I'm plunking down $400 without some kind of reference point in the console market. I feel like I'm jumping the gun and there's no way in shit I'm buying two $400 consoles that play the same stuff the same way......no way.
 
[quote name='pimp tyranny']well you gotta ask, what does the 360 really offer over its predecessor? slightly enhanced graphics? great. here's my $400.[/QUOTE]

Ha, "slightly" enhanced. Sure thing buddy. I don't know of many Xbox games that almost look as good as Kameo.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']Ha, "slightly" enhanced. Sure thing buddy. I don't know of many Xbox games that almost look as good as Kameo.[/QUOTE]

The graphics are definately better than this generation, but is the jump as pronounced as the one from PSX to PS2? or N64 to Gamecube? I'd say no.
 
About the graphics, they look nicer but, at the same time, I wouldn't have been shocked to buy an xbox game with similar quality graphics. I'd think they were nice, but not extremely out of place.

[quote name='Borat']That's a good point. Personally, I'm still going to wait for the PS3 simply because I want a point of reference. I doubt the Revolution is going to provide a graphical benchmark, but my prediction is that the gameplay is going to be insane on that thing.....so I'll be picking one up after I give it a whirl. In terms of the latest and greatest....there's no way I'm plunking down $400 without some kind of reference point in the console market. I feel like I'm jumping the gun and there's no way in shit I'm buying two $400 consoles that play the same stuff the same way......no way.[/QUOTE]

Just commenting on your sig, did you ever hear of adoption? Or the woman could have been involved with the father before that guy.
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']The graphics are definately better than this generation, but is the jump as pronounced as the one from PSX to PS2? or N64 to Gamecube? I'd say no.[/QUOTE]


there isn't as much room to breathe this time around, as there was with those systems. besides, the current batch of games weren't fully developed on final dev kits. It's obvious that the system has crazy untapped power and that the launch games aren't representative of what we will see down the line.
 
[quote name='Apossum']there isn't as much room to breathe this time around, as there was with those systems. besides, the current batch of games weren't fully developed on final dev kits. It's obvious that the system has crazy untapped power and that the launch games aren't representative of what we will see down the line.[/QUOTE]


I'm sure this is true, and I'm sure this is the reason why I and many others have no interest in a 360 right now. To hear people trying to justify a $400+ purchase by saying it's the best new thing since sliced bread just makes me laugh.

Upon thinking an extra second, do we really think there is less breathing room this time around or was it truly rushed a little? Are you saying we are reacing the pinacle of video gaming in terms of graphics? If so, that's sad. If not, then maybe it was not time for the 'next gen' to come out.
 
I have yet to pass judgement on the graphics, as I have yet to see anything fully developed (by good devs) on final dev hardware. Like I said, the power is under the hood, but we haven't truly seen it in action yet. As for it being the pinnacle, I wouldn't go that far, but there will be less dramatic changes from here on out.

and yeah, the system was rushed, since it was released with 1 purpose in mind: chip away at Sony.
 
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people need to stfu.

You guys need to stop feeding the trolls

and the stupid trolls need to stfu. How people spend thier money is thier own damn business, not yours. If you want to go whack off to your old school nintendo and seem all emo cool go do it alone without annoying the 360 owners.

Nuff said. so STFU
 
[quote name='Zoglog']people need to stfu.

You guys need to stop feeding the trolls

and the stupid trolls need to stfu. How people spend thier money is thier own damn business, not yours. If you want to go whack off to your old school nintendo and seem all emo cool go do it alone without annoying the 360 owners.

Nuff said. so STFU[/QUOTE]

Stop coming in here and reading the posts and ranting yourself then. Problem solved. Tada.
 
Everyone seems to be going on about the graphics. The graphics for the 360 are pretty good but thats not enough. The graphics can be as beautiful as they wanna be, but if the gameplay is crap, the entire game is crap.
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal'] To hear people trying to justify a $400+ purchase by saying it's the best new thing since sliced bread just makes me laugh.[/QUOTE]

What makes me laugh is people on here obviously jealous of those who can make a $400 purchase so they decide to go "yeah, well, I DIDN'T WANT IT ANYHOW".

Uh huh, sure you didn't champ.
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']The graphics are definately better than this generation, but is the jump as pronounced as the one from PSX to PS2? or N64 to Gamecube? I'd say no.[/QUOTE]

Once Gears of War, Oblivion, and Splinter Cell 4 come out, XBOX 360 will definately show its advantage over xbox. So far, the leap isn't amazing, but I am impressed with the launch games.
 
The biggest dissapointment for me was Madden. It is the worst football game out there. EA really pissed away a great opportunity to put out a real "next gen" sports title. The experience is nothing like the previous incarnations. No real customization, no mini-camp, no fun! BOO EA!
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']I'm sure this is true, and I'm sure this is the reason why I and many others have no interest in a 360 right now. To hear people trying to justify a $400+ purchase by saying it's the best new thing since sliced bread just makes me laugh.

Upon thinking an extra second, do we really think there is less breathing room this time around or was it truly rushed a little? Are you saying we are reacing the pinacle of video gaming in terms of graphics? If so, that's sad. If not, then maybe it was not time for the 'next gen' to come out.[/QUOTE]

The differences between generations are far more subtle than before. The problem is that the easy stuff has been done. A century ago major advance in science, medicine, and technology could be made by talented individuals working alone or nearly so. Most people think of Thomas Edison as one of these but his most far reaching work was creating the modern corporate R&D organization that greatly magnified the rate of innovation and defined much of the modern world.

Early video game development was frequently a single person producing code and art. In the days of crude graphics this wasn't much of a penalty due to the severe limitations. Just about anyone could define images sufficient to embody a new gameplay concept. That era didn't last long as the hardware improved and the pool of people who could do it all, design, code, and draw fell far short of what the growing industry needed. Even so, thehardware was still very limited. If a new platform added just a couple bits of palette depth and onscreen color range it didn't take much effort for the artists to make the differences easily noticed compared to the same game on a less powerful platform. (For example, the Amiga's primary graphic mode used for games offered 32 colors from a 4096 color palette [plus hardware sprites with their own color registers] while the competing Atari ST had 16 colors from a 512 color palette. [and lacked hardware sprites] So it wasn't hard to make the Amiga version of a game look better than the Atari ST version.)

The differences are more subtle now. A multiplatform game running on current gen machines can be harder to identify by platform even if there has been optimization for the larger memory space on the Xbox and GameCube over the PS2. Even with the hardware advantages the PS2 version may lack any easily spotted deficiencies due to greater competence by that version's dev team. When all three machines are producing a 640x480 resolution in full 24 bit color the advantages of the higher specced machines require more work to make use of and may not be recognized by casual viewers. One platform may enjoy higher quality textures thanks to more RAM but have a less consistent frame rate from a less competently coded engine.

Most of the easy stuff has been done. New gameplay forms come around much less often than they use to. The hardware was very limited but it was an open field for ideas. Asteroids is pretty much the same in vector graphics as it would be with each object using 10,000 polygons in full color. The trick is in finding ways to define new interesting gameplay using the modern hardware in ways beyond just prettier pictures. It means things like better AI, which is still far, far short of the terms intended meaning. Better realtime physics simulation. Not just better looking but doing more interesting things than what has gone before.

Some of this is entirely outside of the graphic splendor. Games like GT4 and forza Motorsport look terrific but the heart is in the physical simulation engine. The complexity of the simulation would completely overwhelm earlier platforms without any graphic elements displayed. (Once upon a time they used large spreadsheet recalculations as a PC benchmark. The slowest machines have long since been so fast as to make it a meaningless measurement.)

A lot of the challenges in animation and such aren't having a high enough polygon rate but rather in coding how the character behave so as to make them more interesting than what we've already seen. The hardware advances aren't just to allow prettier pictures, although they will, but also to offer enough memory space and execution speed to handle the more complex and voluminous code needed to make it something really new.
 
I can't play PGR3 in HD and not get the full feeling that this is definately a leap forward. That said, gaming is hitting the same thresh hold as movie CGI. You get so close to reality that anything that doesn't look real looks creepy, so they draw the line and start doing things stylistically instead of realistically (i.e. the character models for PDZ).

So is 360 as big a jump as the previous? In terms of increased number of polygons on screen, it's probably the biggest jump to date, it just doesn't come off as huge when the original xbox was already pushing that reality limit with games like Riddick, Doom 3, and Chaos Theory. At least at first glance. Those of us who own it and have spent time with PDZ or PGR3 I'm sure will tell you that there is most definately a great improvement. You need an HDTV to take full advantage of it.

360 is not just a visual leap though. The interface, LIVE functionality, and HD support blow away anything on the market. And if games look and play as great as PDZ, PGR3, CoD2, and Condemned right out of the gate, I can't wait to see what hits the market in another year.
 
The 360 is as big a leap...You just don't know it unless you have one...Play the 360 for a couple days, then hook up a ps2 and play some of the good launch titles like timesplitters/ssx...There is a huge difference
 
[quote name='Zoglog']people need to stfu.

You guys need to stop feeding the trolls

and the stupid trolls need to stfu. How people spend thier money is thier own damn business, not yours. If you want to go whack off to your old school nintendo and seem all emo cool go do it alone without annoying the 360 owners.

Nuff said. so STFU[/QUOTE]


it's called "having a discussion." Mr. Unoriginal isn't a troll.
 
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