mykevermin
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Didn't catch it. Dang it.
Internet accuses Glenn Beck of raping and murdering a girl in 1990
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[quote name='thrustbucket']He has already said that believing Obama is "racist, socialist, communist" is so absurd on the surface that it's not worth even discussing.
How can you argue with that?[/QUOTE]
If someone makes those claims and provides no supporting evidence, you call bullshit unless/until they supply facts.
If someone makes those claims and provides supporting evidence that you think is flimsy, you point out why it doesn't make sense and that takes care of that.
If someone puts crap out there you think is dangerous and absurd, then explain to people why. Just saying it is shouldn't be enough. "That's right/wrong and I can't be bothered to explain why. It should just be obvious to you that it is so" is just a way to make people feel stupid and shut them up. If anyone disagrees with your viewpoint, they should then be mocked. I will take issue with anyone that thinks it's worth throwing in their opinion but not worth discussing. Apparently, I would be better served by just not commenting on/to those who don't actually wish to discuss ideas, since that makes me "high and mighty". I wonder what that makes someone who thinks dismissing dissenters are.
How can you argue with that?[/QUOTE]
If someone makes those claims and provides no supporting evidence, you call bullshit unless/until they supply facts.
If someone makes those claims and provides supporting evidence that you think is flimsy, you point out why it doesn't make sense and that takes care of that.
If someone puts crap out there you think is dangerous and absurd, then explain to people why. Just saying it is shouldn't be enough. "That's right/wrong and I can't be bothered to explain why. It should just be obvious to you that it is so" is just a way to make people feel stupid and shut them up. If anyone disagrees with your viewpoint, they should then be mocked. I will take issue with anyone that thinks it's worth throwing in their opinion but not worth discussing. Apparently, I would be better served by just not commenting on/to those who don't actually wish to discuss ideas, since that makes me "high and mighty". I wonder what that makes someone who thinks dismissing dissenters are.
[quote name='mykevermin']Two of those videos are ten minute segments. If you can't contextualize an argument as a *tv show host* in ten minutes, you should not be on the air.
When I saw you post in this thread, I saw that I had you on ignore. I thought "who's this dude and why is he on my ignore list?" I now see that you're an insufferable opponent of logic, incapable of reasoning that your hero bases his popularity on conjecture and absurd leaps of logic, and someone who refuses to entertain the possibility of those points.[/QUOTE]
I'm entertaining the possibility of those points when I ask you repeatedly to explain to me the faults in what he's saying. Apparently, the fact that it doesn't just automatically come to me without you being required to make your own argument for why what he's saying isn't true means that I'm a waste of space and time. I just don't see why people have become so unable to have reasoned discussion. Ten of millions of Americans clearly find his opinion worth at least considering, so maybe such callous treatment of them isn't doing them justice. Or all those people are just stupid wastes of space as well. The media and most politicians definitely do their best to convince people that every issue needs to be a polarizing one and that there's no common ground to be found between you and the "crazies" on the other side of the issue.
When I saw you post in this thread, I saw that I had you on ignore. I thought "who's this dude and why is he on my ignore list?" I now see that you're an insufferable opponent of logic, incapable of reasoning that your hero bases his popularity on conjecture and absurd leaps of logic, and someone who refuses to entertain the possibility of those points.[/QUOTE]
I'm entertaining the possibility of those points when I ask you repeatedly to explain to me the faults in what he's saying. Apparently, the fact that it doesn't just automatically come to me without you being required to make your own argument for why what he's saying isn't true means that I'm a waste of space and time. I just don't see why people have become so unable to have reasoned discussion. Ten of millions of Americans clearly find his opinion worth at least considering, so maybe such callous treatment of them isn't doing them justice. Or all those people are just stupid wastes of space as well. The media and most politicians definitely do their best to convince people that every issue needs to be a polarizing one and that there's no common ground to be found between you and the "crazies" on the other side of the issue.
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[quote name='atreyue']I'm a waste of space and time.[/quote]
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The "people watch his show" argument doesn't carry a lot of weight, you know. I suppose you would defend Keith Olbermann's "Countdown" as having empirical validity due to its ratings as well? Or maybe "Spongebob Squarepants"?
Some people say "there's no such thing as a stupid question." I'm not one of those people. Some people aren't worth responding to, and Glenn Beck is indeed one of those people.
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The "people watch his show" argument doesn't carry a lot of weight, you know. I suppose you would defend Keith Olbermann's "Countdown" as having empirical validity due to its ratings as well? Or maybe "Spongebob Squarepants"?
Some people say "there's no such thing as a stupid question." I'm not one of those people. Some people aren't worth responding to, and Glenn Beck is indeed one of those people.
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[quote name='mykevermin']
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Ahhaha, let's make fun of people's religion!
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Ahhaha, let's make fun of people's religion!
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Don't misread me.
The argument atreyu made was "he has loads of fans, therefore he has valid opinions."
If you believe that, then it is a necessary truth that Jesus is indeed the messiah because he has millions of followers over thousands of years. Except that also means that Krishna is real and valid, as are Buddha, Mohammed, Mars, Zeus, and probably Jedis too.
Since this cannot all be true, of course, the premise on which atreyu makes his argument is invalid.
There's your logic lesson for the day.
The argument atreyu made was "he has loads of fans, therefore he has valid opinions."
If you believe that, then it is a necessary truth that Jesus is indeed the messiah because he has millions of followers over thousands of years. Except that also means that Krishna is real and valid, as are Buddha, Mohammed, Mars, Zeus, and probably Jedis too.
Since this cannot all be true, of course, the premise on which atreyu makes his argument is invalid.
There's your logic lesson for the day.
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Hm. So I guess what you are saying is that even when most of the country believes our President doesn't really understand the proposed Health Care plan, that doesn't mean it's true? 
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I mean that I don't trust mass opinion or belief.
Your use of double negatives in a run-on sentence made that agonizing to read. Just sayin'.
Your use of double negatives in a run-on sentence made that agonizing to read. Just sayin'.
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The "people watch his show" argument doesn't carry a lot of weight, you know. I suppose you would defend Keith Olbermann's "Countdown" as having empirical validity due to its ratings as well? Or maybe "Spongebob Squarepants"?
Some people say "there's no such thing as a stupid question." I'm not one of those people. Some people aren't worth responding to, and Glenn Beck is indeed one of those people.[/QUOTE]
I would consider watching Countdown to try to identify what his viewpoint is, and if I don't agree with it or think he's full of crap, then what it could be that makes so many other people agree with him or at least like to watch him. And I was actually discussing Spongebob at a baby shower this past weekend with expectant parents. It was more about whether it's appropriate for young children, and whether it's worthwhile to even try to conclude anything about a parent from the decision to allow it (My wife was a psychology major). I watch Beck because his is the only alternative show to "mainstream media" I've seen on TV besides Lou Dobbs (who has the only fair and balanced show I've seen or heard) that attempts to provide any arguments to back up his statements. It seems like it would be really easy to poke logical holes in his arguments if one disagreed with his statements and watched his show. I certainly know where I stand, and had reached my own conclusions about Obama before I ever knew who Glenn Beck was. I wish more people who disagreed with his views/claims would seriously respond to them in a reasoned manner. For those who don't watch his show, his secret to success is not that he's saying what a certain demographic wants to hear, it's that he challenges issues and says "If I'm wrong, somebody prove me wrong" and asks direct questions and gets answers that are indirect at best. That makes people distrust the government more and adds to the appearance of credibility, which every other conservative/republican entertainer is now trying to cash in on.
The "people watch his show" argument doesn't carry a lot of weight, you know. I suppose you would defend Keith Olbermann's "Countdown" as having empirical validity due to its ratings as well? Or maybe "Spongebob Squarepants"?
Some people say "there's no such thing as a stupid question." I'm not one of those people. Some people aren't worth responding to, and Glenn Beck is indeed one of those people.[/QUOTE]
I would consider watching Countdown to try to identify what his viewpoint is, and if I don't agree with it or think he's full of crap, then what it could be that makes so many other people agree with him or at least like to watch him. And I was actually discussing Spongebob at a baby shower this past weekend with expectant parents. It was more about whether it's appropriate for young children, and whether it's worthwhile to even try to conclude anything about a parent from the decision to allow it (My wife was a psychology major). I watch Beck because his is the only alternative show to "mainstream media" I've seen on TV besides Lou Dobbs (who has the only fair and balanced show I've seen or heard) that attempts to provide any arguments to back up his statements. It seems like it would be really easy to poke logical holes in his arguments if one disagreed with his statements and watched his show. I certainly know where I stand, and had reached my own conclusions about Obama before I ever knew who Glenn Beck was. I wish more people who disagreed with his views/claims would seriously respond to them in a reasoned manner. For those who don't watch his show, his secret to success is not that he's saying what a certain demographic wants to hear, it's that he challenges issues and says "If I'm wrong, somebody prove me wrong" and asks direct questions and gets answers that are indirect at best. That makes people distrust the government more and adds to the appearance of credibility, which every other conservative/republican entertainer is now trying to cash in on.
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[quote name='mykevermin']Don't misread me.
The argument atreyu made was "he has loads of fans, therefore he has valid opinions."
If you believe that, then it is a necessary truth that Jesus is indeed the messiah because he has millions of followers over thousands of years. Except that also means that Krishna is real and valid, as are Buddha, Mohammed, Mars, Zeus, and probably Jedis too.
Since this cannot all be true, of course, the premise on which atreyu makes his argument is invalid.
There's your logic lesson for the day.[/QUOTE]
Sure. Especially when you've tried to pull the card of "religious people are idiots!" before.
The argument atreyu made was "he has loads of fans, therefore he has valid opinions."
If you believe that, then it is a necessary truth that Jesus is indeed the messiah because he has millions of followers over thousands of years. Except that also means that Krishna is real and valid, as are Buddha, Mohammed, Mars, Zeus, and probably Jedis too.
Since this cannot all be true, of course, the premise on which atreyu makes his argument is invalid.
There's your logic lesson for the day.[/QUOTE]
Sure. Especially when you've tried to pull the card of "religious people are idiots!" before.
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[quote name='atreyue']Lou Dobbs (who has the only fair and balanced show I've seen or heard)[/QUOTE]
Everything is suddenly crystal clear to me now.
More interesting is the discussion about SpongeBob. As someone who is very unfamiliar with the show, what about it's content makes it possibly unsuitable for children?
fullmetal: grow up and stop putting words in my mouth.
Everything is suddenly crystal clear to me now.
More interesting is the discussion about SpongeBob. As someone who is very unfamiliar with the show, what about it's content makes it possibly unsuitable for children?
fullmetal: grow up and stop putting words in my mouth.
[quote name='mykevermin']Don't misread me.
The argument atreyu made was "he has loads of fans, therefore he has valid opinions."
If you believe that, then it is a necessary truth that Jesus is indeed the messiah because he has millions of followers over thousands of years. Except that also means that Krishna is real and valid, as are Buddha, Mohammed, Mars, Zeus, and probably Jedis too.
Since this cannot all be true, of course, the premise on which atreyu makes his argument is invalid.
There's your logic lesson for the day.[/QUOTE]
The argument I am making is that a lot of people believe that he has valid opinions, and so they should be addressed. That doesn't mean valid. That means if you disagree, it's worth your time to invalidate them. I'm not a fool. And if you think I am, then you certainly don't need to misconstrue my points to make me appear one, as I would already be doing a good job of that myself.
The argument atreyu made was "he has loads of fans, therefore he has valid opinions."
If you believe that, then it is a necessary truth that Jesus is indeed the messiah because he has millions of followers over thousands of years. Except that also means that Krishna is real and valid, as are Buddha, Mohammed, Mars, Zeus, and probably Jedis too.
Since this cannot all be true, of course, the premise on which atreyu makes his argument is invalid.
There's your logic lesson for the day.[/QUOTE]
The argument I am making is that a lot of people believe that he has valid opinions, and so they should be addressed. That doesn't mean valid. That means if you disagree, it's worth your time to invalidate them. I'm not a fool. And if you think I am, then you certainly don't need to misconstrue my points to make me appear one, as I would already be doing a good job of that myself.
[quote name='mykevermin']Everything is suddenly crystal clear to me now.
More interesting is the discussion about SpongeBob. As someone who is very unfamiliar with the show, what about it's content makes it possibly unsuitable for children?
fullmetal: grow up and stop putting words in my mouth.[/QUOTE]
I think there are a lot of *wink-wink* adult or young adult-intended content in there. I don't think that all that stuff just goes right over a young child's head just because they can't fully understand it. I ask myself "I my child did get the inside joke, would I want to to see it?" and right now the answer is no. it's not as bad as Shrek 2, which was full of sexual humor and still got a PG rating.
More interesting is the discussion about SpongeBob. As someone who is very unfamiliar with the show, what about it's content makes it possibly unsuitable for children?
fullmetal: grow up and stop putting words in my mouth.[/QUOTE]
I think there are a lot of *wink-wink* adult or young adult-intended content in there. I don't think that all that stuff just goes right over a young child's head just because they can't fully understand it. I ask myself "I my child did get the inside joke, would I want to to see it?" and right now the answer is no. it's not as bad as Shrek 2, which was full of sexual humor and still got a PG rating.
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[quote name='mykevermin']I mean that I don't trust mass opinion or belief.
Your use of double negatives in a run-on sentence made that agonizing to read. Just sayin'.[/QUOTE]
Gosh. Fine. I'll try to do less work and spend more time on what I write here.
Yes.... Yes I think I will.
Your use of double negatives in a run-on sentence made that agonizing to read. Just sayin'.[/QUOTE]
Gosh. Fine. I'll try to do less work and spend more time on what I write here.
Yes.... Yes I think I will.
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fullmetal: grow up and stop putting words in my mouth.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='mykevermin']You only conjur up data when it's public opinion polls, but as has been demonstrated, the public are morons who believe Jesus is real;[/QUOTE]
I suppose that's putting words into your mouth?
fullmetal: grow up and stop putting words in my mouth.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='mykevermin']You only conjur up data when it's public opinion polls, but as has been demonstrated, the public are morons who believe Jesus is real;[/QUOTE]
I suppose that's putting words into your mouth?
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So, Glenn Beck is a horrible guy for doing X.
In return, this group of people do "X".
And so many people applaud them?
Those of you who are defending the actions of those making these accusations and "rumors" of accusations are no better than Glenn Beck and his fans.
Actually, I'm going to say you're worse. At least Glenn Beck uses his name and shows his face.
I wonder if those who are posting this stuff about him would be willing to come forward on National TV and make these claims.
In return, this group of people do "X".
And so many people applaud them?
Those of you who are defending the actions of those making these accusations and "rumors" of accusations are no better than Glenn Beck and his fans.
Actually, I'm going to say you're worse. At least Glenn Beck uses his name and shows his face.
I wonder if those who are posting this stuff about him would be willing to come forward on National TV and make these claims.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire
You people can't truly be so thick as to think that anyone *genuinely* believes Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990. You truly can't. Well, maybe that one dude what thinks "Lou Dobbs" is a "fair and balanced" journalist. But everyone else but him.
Myke - just as there are people who believe Obama is a secret Muslim, created by the Jews to socialize health care and make us all commies, there are people who will believe this crap.
Beyond that, the purpose here is designed to be hurtful. The claim could have been something like "Glenn Beck did a lot of Cocaine in 1990"... but that wouldn't have had the same impact as this "story".
Again, trying to justify and support this makes you no better than Glenn Beck or his own supporters.
Beyond that, the purpose here is designed to be hurtful. The claim could have been something like "Glenn Beck did a lot of Cocaine in 1990"... but that wouldn't have had the same impact as this "story".
Again, trying to justify and support this makes you no better than Glenn Beck or his own supporters.
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I also don't think people would have been surprised if you said Beck used to do coke.:lol:
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[quote name='mykevermin']Didn't catch it. Dang it.[/QUOTE]
Ahhhhhhh come on myke. You act like you don't even know me.
The post wasn't me being passive aggressive over the internet towards you it was me being not only crass and tasteless towards Beck and his followers but maybe going just a little off the deep end with the language. I do try and reel it back quite a bit on these boards since everyone else is pretty civil. My mouth gets the best of me at times but luckily this is the net and I have the chance to quickly go back and wipe out what I said.
It really was a funny clip (no sarcasm).
Ahhhhhhh come on myke. You act like you don't even know me.
The post wasn't me being passive aggressive over the internet towards you it was me being not only crass and tasteless towards Beck and his followers but maybe going just a little off the deep end with the language. I do try and reel it back quite a bit on these boards since everyone else is pretty civil. My mouth gets the best of me at times but luckily this is the net and I have the chance to quickly go back and wipe out what I said.
It really was a funny clip (no sarcasm).
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[quote name='UncleBob']Myke - just as there are people who believe Obama is a secret Muslim, created by the Jews to socialize health care and make us all commies, there are people who will believe this crap.
Beyond that, the purpose here is designed to be hurtful. The claim could have been something like "Glenn Beck did a lot of Cocaine in 1990"... but that wouldn't have had the same impact as this "story".
Again, trying to justify and support this makes you no better than Glenn Beck or his own supporters.[/QUOTE]
Satire is not something that should be withheld or restrained because of the presumed stupidity of some people.
Should Fallout 3 not have been developed because some media outlets mistook screenshots for muslim websites' estimates of what their ideal postapocalyptic DC would look like?
Can you imagine where we would be, as a global community, developmentally, if we held back because of the stragglers? I suspect cuneiform would still be a ways off.
Beyond that, the purpose here is designed to be hurtful. The claim could have been something like "Glenn Beck did a lot of Cocaine in 1990"... but that wouldn't have had the same impact as this "story".
Again, trying to justify and support this makes you no better than Glenn Beck or his own supporters.[/QUOTE]
Satire is not something that should be withheld or restrained because of the presumed stupidity of some people.
Should Fallout 3 not have been developed because some media outlets mistook screenshots for muslim websites' estimates of what their ideal postapocalyptic DC would look like?
Can you imagine where we would be, as a global community, developmentally, if we held back because of the stragglers? I suspect cuneiform would still be a ways off.
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His own logic used against him? Beautiful.
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[quote name='mykevermin']Satire is not something that should be withheld or restrained because of the presumed stupidity of some people.
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Can you imagine where we would be, as a global community, developmentally, if we held back because of the stragglers? I suspect cuneiform would still be a ways off.[/QUOTE]
Two things to this:
First, aren't you the one that was auguring for a specific law against texting while driving because, unless it was specifically made illegal, people would do it, even if it did fall under reckless driving laws?
Second - if you want to call this satire, then great! Satire is protected speech - so the individuals perpetrating this "Satire" should have no problems coming forward with their names and faces. Instead of hiding like cowards behind the anonymity that is the internet.
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Can you imagine where we would be, as a global community, developmentally, if we held back because of the stragglers? I suspect cuneiform would still be a ways off.[/QUOTE]
Two things to this:
First, aren't you the one that was auguring for a specific law against texting while driving because, unless it was specifically made illegal, people would do it, even if it did fall under reckless driving laws?
Second - if you want to call this satire, then great! Satire is protected speech - so the individuals perpetrating this "Satire" should have no problems coming forward with their names and faces. Instead of hiding like cowards behind the anonymity that is the internet.
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[quote name='UncleBob'] Satire is protected speech - so the individuals perpetrating this "Satire" should have no problems coming forward with their names and faces. Instead of hiding like cowards behind the anonymity that is the internet.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, I definitely agree on this one big time totally.
Nancy Genovese is locked up already so whoever spoofed the documents should be totally safe.
Oh yeah, I definitely agree on this one big time totally.
Nancy Genovese is locked up already so whoever spoofed the documents should be totally safe.
JolietJake
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I didn't realize that Beck was an expert on art and architecture.
Simply put, people see whatever they want to see. People like Beck want to see some sort of grand communist conspiracy and guess what, there you go. Rockefeller was a communist.
Simply put, people see whatever they want to see. People like Beck want to see some sort of grand communist conspiracy and guess what, there you go. Rockefeller was a communist.
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I sometimes wonder if Glenn Beck is real, or if he's just a heel, cutting promos over the air...
[quote name='HowStern']^I don't want to answer for myke/put words in his mouth but I'll make the quick point that laws aren't satire/fiction/entertainment. Your analogy is no good.[/QUOTE]
Myke says that society shouldn't hold back for the stragglers. But then says that society should create laws that hold back people because of the stragglers.
[quote name='cochesecochese']Oh yeah, I definitely agree on this one big time totally.
Nancy Genovese is locked up already so whoever spoofed the documents should be totally safe.[/QUOTE]
The point is "Glenn Beck does this. We can do this." Glenn Beck uses his name. Glenn Beck shows his face. Glenn Beck doesn't hide behind a computer monitor in his mommy's basement. If you have a problem with what Glenn Beck says, you can take it up with Glenn Beck - and take it to court.
The folks behind this are cowards - plain and simple.
Myke says that society shouldn't hold back for the stragglers. But then says that society should create laws that hold back people because of the stragglers.
[quote name='cochesecochese']Oh yeah, I definitely agree on this one big time totally.
Nancy Genovese is locked up already so whoever spoofed the documents should be totally safe.[/QUOTE]
The point is "Glenn Beck does this. We can do this." Glenn Beck uses his name. Glenn Beck shows his face. Glenn Beck doesn't hide behind a computer monitor in his mommy's basement. If you have a problem with what Glenn Beck says, you can take it up with Glenn Beck - and take it to court.
The folks behind this are cowards - plain and simple.
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[quote name='UncleBob']Myke says that society shouldn't hold back for the stragglers. But then says that society should create laws that hold back people because of the stragglers.[/QUOTE]
No, your analogy stinks.
No, your analogy stinks.
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[quote name='UncleBob']The point is "Glenn Beck does this. We can do this."[/QUOTE]
What? What? Who is this 'we' you are referring to?
[quote name='UncleBob']Glenn Beck uses his name. Glenn Beck shows his face. Glenn Beck doesn't hide behind a computer monitor in his mommy's basement. If you have a problem with what Glenn Beck says, you can take it up with Glenn Beck - and take it to court.
The folks behind this are cowards - plain and simple.[/QUOTE]
So every time Beck makes overarching and outlandish comments about public figures (politicians, real journalists) they should fight him in court?
What? What? Who is this 'we' you are referring to?
[quote name='UncleBob']Glenn Beck uses his name. Glenn Beck shows his face. Glenn Beck doesn't hide behind a computer monitor in his mommy's basement. If you have a problem with what Glenn Beck says, you can take it up with Glenn Beck - and take it to court.
The folks behind this are cowards - plain and simple.[/QUOTE]
So every time Beck makes overarching and outlandish comments about public figures (politicians, real journalists) they should fight him in court?
"Taxes are a joke. Regardless of what a political candidate "promises," they will increase. More taxes are always the answer to government mismanagement. They mess up. We suffer. Taxes are reaching cataclysmic levels, with no slowdown in sight.
Is a Civil War Imminent? Do we have to shed blood to reform the current system? I hope it doesn't come to that. But it might.
It is a lie if we tell ourselves that the police can protect us everywhere at all times. Firearms restrictions are bad enough, but now a woman can't even carry Mace in her purse?
Go ahead, take everything I own; take my dignity. Feel good as you grow fat and rich at my expense; sucking my tax dollars and property.
The government is afraid of the guns people have because they have to have control of the people at all times. Once you take away the guns, you can do anything to the people. You give them an inch and they take a mile. I believe we are slowly turning into a socialist government. The government is continually growing bigger and more powerful, and the people need to prepare to defend themselves against government control.
Those who betray or subvert the Constitution are guilty of sedition and/or treason, are domestic enemies and should and will be punished accordingly.
It also stands to reason that anyone who sympathizes with the enemy or gives aid or comfort to said enemy is likewise guilty. I have sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and I will. And I will because not only did I swear to, but I believe in what it stands for in every bit of my heart, soul and being."
This sounds like Glenn Beck right? Harmless rhetoric, right?
Is a Civil War Imminent? Do we have to shed blood to reform the current system? I hope it doesn't come to that. But it might.
It is a lie if we tell ourselves that the police can protect us everywhere at all times. Firearms restrictions are bad enough, but now a woman can't even carry Mace in her purse?
Go ahead, take everything I own; take my dignity. Feel good as you grow fat and rich at my expense; sucking my tax dollars and property.
The government is afraid of the guns people have because they have to have control of the people at all times. Once you take away the guns, you can do anything to the people. You give them an inch and they take a mile. I believe we are slowly turning into a socialist government. The government is continually growing bigger and more powerful, and the people need to prepare to defend themselves against government control.
Those who betray or subvert the Constitution are guilty of sedition and/or treason, are domestic enemies and should and will be punished accordingly.
It also stands to reason that anyone who sympathizes with the enemy or gives aid or comfort to said enemy is likewise guilty. I have sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and I will. And I will because not only did I swear to, but I believe in what it stands for in every bit of my heart, soul and being."
This sounds like Glenn Beck right? Harmless rhetoric, right?
Wrong. Those things I posted are blurbs quoted from Timothy McVeigh, who if you don't remember, is responsible for this:
Note most of this post is paraphrased from elchip's post from Fark.com, the same thread that started the glenn beck 1990 rape/murder rumor.
Note most of this post is paraphrased from elchip's post from Fark.com, the same thread that started the glenn beck 1990 rape/murder rumor.
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[quote name='UncleBob']
They have four options:
1.) Tell their side of the story.
2.) Ignore him and his fans.
3.) Fight him in court (if the comments are untrue).
4.) Make overarching and outlandish comments in return about him (a la Keith Olbermann)[/QUOTE]
Only the court option is removed (boo hoo) so he's still got plenty of options.
When's he going to prove his innocence once and for all? Until he does he's still a horrible SANYO phone stealing thief and a rapist in my mind.
Edit: And how. It looks like I'm not the only one!
They have four options:
1.) Tell their side of the story.
2.) Ignore him and his fans.
3.) Fight him in court (if the comments are untrue).
4.) Make overarching and outlandish comments in return about him (a la Keith Olbermann)[/QUOTE]
Only the court option is removed (boo hoo) so he's still got plenty of options.
When's he going to prove his innocence once and for all? Until he does he's still a horrible SANYO phone stealing thief and a rapist in my mind.
Edit: And how. It looks like I'm not the only one!
[quote name='cochesecochese']Only the court option is removed (boo hoo) so he's still got plenty of options.
When's he going to prove his innocence once and for all? Until he does he's still a horrible SANYO phone stealing thief and a rapist in my mind.[/QUOTE]
And you're no better than crazy Glenn Beck fans. Congrats!
When's he going to prove his innocence once and for all? Until he does he's still a horrible SANYO phone stealing thief and a rapist in my mind.[/QUOTE]
And you're no better than crazy Glenn Beck fans. Congrats!
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[quote name='UncleBob']And you're no better than crazy Glenn Beck fans. Congrats![/QUOTE]
Le sigh.
Sarcasm. Subtlety. Shades of ambiguity. You are able to discern none of these.
Discussion over.
Le sigh.
Sarcasm. Subtlety. Shades of ambiguity. You are able to discern none of these.
Discussion over.
cochese, that poll, like all polls, needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Depending on how the question is phrased, it can lead to a certain answer.
Frank Luntz, a pollster and frequent contributor to FOXNews, was on Penn & Teller's 'Bullshit', where he was quoted as saying that the key to survey polling is "to ask a question in the way that you get the right answer."
How does this guy still have credibility as a pollster? Dunno. It's FOXNews, stupid.
Frank Luntz, a pollster and frequent contributor to FOXNews, was on Penn & Teller's 'Bullshit', where he was quoted as saying that the key to survey polling is "to ask a question in the way that you get the right answer."
How does this guy still have credibility as a pollster? Dunno. It's FOXNews, stupid.
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FFS
[quote name='IRHari']cochese, that poll, like all polls, needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Depending on how the question is phrased, it can lead to a certain answer.[/QUOTE]
Le sigh.
Sarcasm. Subtlety. Shades of ambiguity. You are able to discern none of these.
Discussion over.
[quote name='IRHari']cochese, that poll, like all polls, needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Depending on how the question is phrased, it can lead to a certain answer.[/QUOTE]
Le sigh.
Sarcasm. Subtlety. Shades of ambiguity. You are able to discern none of these.
Discussion over.
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[quote name='cochesecochese']FFS
Le sigh.
Sarcasm. Subtlety. Shades of ambiguity. You are able to discern none of these.
Discussion over.[/QUOTE]
Man, you're dealing with some seriously dense people today. My condolences.
Le sigh.
Sarcasm. Subtlety. Shades of ambiguity. You are able to discern none of these.
Discussion over.[/QUOTE]
Man, you're dealing with some seriously dense people today. My condolences.[quote name='cochesecochese']FFS
Le sigh.
Sarcasm. Subtlety. Shades of ambiguity. You are able to discern none of these.
Discussion over.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but when it comes to posting something so hateful and full of spite, following it up with 'haha it was a joke" doesn't cut it for me.
Not only does this resort to the type of tactics you folks seem to be so much against, but if you're claiming it's humor, you're making light of rape and murder?
Le sigh.
Sarcasm. Subtlety. Shades of ambiguity. You are able to discern none of these.
Discussion over.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but when it comes to posting something so hateful and full of spite, following it up with 'haha it was a joke" doesn't cut it for me.
Not only does this resort to the type of tactics you folks seem to be so much against, but if you're claiming it's humor, you're making light of rape and murder?
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Quit acting like you give a shit about someone other than yourself, Bob.
bread's done