Iraqi Woman severely beaten in Cali, note says "Go back to your own country."

[quote name='kodave']I don't understand your trolling. I don't visit this part of the forum enough, apparently.

The cops aren't sold that its an actual hate crime, so I'm really not sure what you're trolling about. If its indeed not a hate crime, the next likely thing would be domestic violence, and at the most extreme of that, you have honor killing. It's not like anything has been reported stolen to indicate a robbery or anything. You can keep trolling and be absurd and say Pat Robertson did it. Great contribution to the thread.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, most of the time in a murder investigation, the perpetrator someone with a close relationship to the victim (husband, boyfriend, etc) You raised a valid point.

We can condemn hate crimes while letting the authorities do their job, as cases like the runaway bride or lady with the R on her cheek prove, sensational frameups occur all the time.

I could be wrong but I think Berzerk is just trying to be funny with the Pat Robertson stuff, I would just ignore it.
 
An honor killing is unlikely, extremely so. On the list of unlikely possibilities though, it's probably a bit more plausible than aliens.

Anyways, don't use the word "trolling" unless you know what it means. Gets thrown around too much!
 
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[quote name='panzerfaust']Anyways, don't use the word "trolling" unless you know what it means. Gets thrown around too much![/QUOTE]

Eh - this is Berzerk we are talking about. If the shoe fits...
 
[quote name='camoor']And right on time, the Christian persecution complex rears it's ugly head.

It's getting so I can time a watch to it...[/QUOTE]

Oh come on, if you want to dodge an honest question I know you can be more clever than that.
Do you not see that as a factual assessment of why believers don't get along with nons?

[quote name='Clak']Heh, I don't' know, do you?:lol:[/QUOTE]

Well at least you wear your arrogant-atheist superiority-complex badge with pride.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Oh come on, if you want to dodge an honest question I know you can be more clever than that.
Do you not see that as a factual assessment of why believers don't get along with nons?



Well at least you wear your arrogant-atheist superiority-complex badge with pride.[/QUOTE]

Eh, it's the same with believers, they think they know better too because the good book tells them so. There's arrogance on both sides.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Oh come on, if you want to dodge an honest question I know you can be more clever than that.
Do you not see that as a factual assessment of why believers don't get along with nons?[/QUOTE]

Abrahamic religions are confusing, but they do lead to alot of misuderstandings and war. Noone can deny that.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Oh come on, if you want to dodge an honest question I know you can be more clever than that.
Do you not see that as a factual assessment of why believers don't get along with nons?



Well at least you wear your arrogant-atheist superiority-complex badge with pride.[/QUOTE]
In your case thrust, it isn't a psychological complex, it's fact.;)

Now if you'll excuse me I've got some Jehovah's Witnesses at my door to deal with.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Maybe because an honor killing is one of the least likely possibilities. Suggesting it as being more plausible than a hate crime plays on stereotypes and xenophobia. Something to think about, dude.[/QUOTE]

Yeah kodave, I think you need to consider this. This "honor killing" thing is thrown out there due to the popular anti-Muslim stereotypes.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']I don't like the apologetic view for Islamic extremism, it's a war that's been waging for centuries and it can be rekindled for something as minor as a Danish cartoon of muhammad. There's no sense in pretending we don't have a serious issue on our hands, or that we are somehow asking for it because we're now fighting it.[/QUOTE]

Panzer, first you need to understand what you mean by "Islamic extremism." Next, you need to understand all this gibberish about "they've been fighting us since the dawn of time." That is a horribly ignorant misconception you're indulging in. And you need to understand all the CURRENT conflict withing the lens of modern Western imperialism. You cannot analyze any of the topics you bring up absent of that. That is, unless you want to (white)wash your hands clean of Western culpability.
 
[quote name='joeboosauce']Yeah kodave, I think you need to consider this. This "honor killing" thing is thrown out there due to the popular anti-Muslim stereotypes.[/QUOTE]

What are you trying to say?

That honor killings don't happen? Or that honor killings are not committed in the name of the Islam faith?

Either way, you're dead wrong.
 
I'm aware the West has long meddled in the middle eastern regions and holds much responsibility in current problems there. I brought up the U.S.'s ugly history with Iraq -- we're responsible for countless deaths from wars we've enabled there and have submitted an innocent population to a ruthless dictatorship for decades. So the only reason I'm expressing slight optimism regarding our current presence there, is because I like to see the U.S. take some responsibility for its past. If anything, we took much too long to intervene, and are now facing the consequences of a horrible and slow war of attrition because of that.

As for Islamic extremism, I'll go do my research.
 
"Honor killings" don't happen all that often within the U.S., I think it's a bit strange to even include that in possibilities, even if it is technically possible.
 
I think that whoever did it deserves the death penalty because they not only committed an unthinkable crime, they have also terrorized an entire community.

But if you read the news stories closely there are alot of weird quotes

Law enforcement, and Arab and Muslim lobby groups, and even Alawadi's family is uncertain of what happened.
"The majority of the family believes that it could be anything," said Nazanin Wahid, a friend who is serving as a spokeswoman for the family. "But the fact that they found a note and that the police said initially that it resonates like a hate crime led them to believe that it could be that."
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http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...ans-death-in-california-has-muslims-wondering

El Cajon police have declined to confirm the contents of the note but say it has led investigators to regard the killing as a possible hate crime. Chief James Redman said Monday there was other evidence and called the killing an isolated incident.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...q-for-burial/2012/03/31/gIQAfK3mmS_story.html

If the family and law enforcement doesn't even know, and publicly state so, then where the fuck is berzerk getting his information? How can he be so confident that it's a hate crime? Only an ignoramus would rule out all other possiblities (except for pat robertson in a ufo - yes that's actually what he said) at this early stage.

That's why I hate trolls like Berzerk, they need to insult others so badly that they jump to conclusions without knowing the facts at hand.
 
[quote name='Clak']I'm just saying it's unlikely, although certainly possible.[/QUOTE]

meh you can't win. I don't think anyone actually thinks it's an honor killing. But you just don't get it. Forget it man, just forget it.
 
What the...I was just saying that mentioning it as a possibility was a bit strange considering it's unlikely nature, chill man.
 
[quote name='berzirk']Well fuck me. Maybe it was an "inside job".

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr/05/brother-iraqi-slaying-victim-wanted-divorce/

If it turns out to be the husband or daughter that did it (no it's not an "honor killing") I'll be the first to admit that directing more attention at the family members was wise.[/QUOTE]
On the list of possible reasons, a pending divorce is a far more plausible explanation than an honor killing. And if this was a reason, I'm actually relieved it wasn't a hate crime.
 
geez, I missed out on my chance to make a joke about a person not being able to go back to their own country because they've been hospitalized due to a severe beating. Basically an attempt to show the illogical reasoning for the beating in the 1st place.
 
I don't think any person in this thread said it was an honor killing. I said it was likely the murder from within the family (my money is on the husband) as domestic violence and at the most extreme end you might have an honor killing.

And what do you know, it's likely a murder as a result of a domestic situation rather than a hate crime or random act of violence.

As for honor killings in the US, though taken from Wikipedia with a source (so its automatically wrong, amirite?):

An article in the Spring 2009 edition of Middle East Quarterly argues that the United States is far behind Europe in acknowledging that honor killings are a special form of domestic violence, requiring special training and programs to protect the young women and girls most subject to it.[1] The article suggests that the fear of being labeled culturally insensitive prevents US government officials and the media from both identifying and accurately reporting these women's murders as "honor killings" when they occur.[1] Failing to accurately describe the problem makes it more difficult to develop public policies to address it.[1]
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Source from Wikipedia: http://www.meforum.org/2067/are-honor-killings-simply-domestic-violence

Here's another article from CBS earlier this month: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...or-killing-under-growing-scrutiny-in-the-u.s/

Again, I'm not saying this definitely was an honor killing as we don't know what family member killed her and we don't know the entire motivation for such murder to say whether it had a cultural basis or whether there was a motive that transcends a particular culture. But I don't think its absurd or xenophobic to say it was a possibility on the extreme end of things.

Still, someone better get Pat Robertson alibied to bring some closure to this discussion. :roll:
 
[quote name='berzirk']Well fuck me. Maybe it was an "inside job".

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr/05/brother-iraqi-slaying-victim-wanted-divorce/

If it turns out to be the husband or daughter that did it (no it's not an "honor killing") I'll be the first to admit that directing more attention at the family members was wise.[/QUOTE]

Of course, I always knew this was the most likely outcome.

I'm going to go ahead and make another bold claim: it ain't the daughter. This has more to do with the fact that women's rights are not equally recognized by all peoples of the world.
 
[quote name='berzirk']Well fuck me. Maybe it was an "inside job".

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr/05/brother-iraqi-slaying-victim-wanted-divorce/

If it turns out to be the husband or daughter that did it (no it's not an "honor killing") I'll be the first to admit that directing more attention at the family members was wise.[/QUOTE]

If only someone posted a link to the update and admitted that they would readily praise the added attention to family members in solving a murder if they were suspects.

God, I hate crime. Where is the honor?
 
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