Is it just me... or does EGM seemed biased against the DS?

[quote name='msdmoney'][quote name='Chris in Cali'][quote name='msdmoney'][quote name='Cornfedwb'][quote name='pumbaa']Reading through their recent issues (and even www.1up.com) is seems that PSP gets away with awesome previews and forecasts for games (which is good because the games look great), but then on the same token shows a couple of games for the DS and makes comments like "it remains to be seen if gamers will warm up to its innovations". Looking back, it just seems like DS' flaws are all promoted, and none of PSP's are. Maybe its simply because the DS is out and thus being used more? Any opinions?[/quote]

Well seeing as the DS is still just on the verge of being the next Virtual Boy, IMHO.. and seeing as most of the games look quite gimmicky, childish or just plain stupid.. I don't think they're biased, just truthful.[/quote]


Well atleast we know cornfedweb isn't biased :roll: I guess one person's innovation is another person's gimmick.

The truth is we will have to wait for the PSP comes out to judge for ourselves. Previews always make the next game/system coming out look like the best thing ever. If we went by previews Fable would have been the best RPG of all time. The DS got this kind of hype before it came out as well. EGM is not biased toward the PSP, they are just hyping up forthcoming products, as is the nature of the business.

I think some people need to give the DS more time, before calling it a gimmick or all the games "childish and just plain stupid". The system just came out and doesn't have that many games yet. It is a bit premature to judge whether it is a gimmick or not, let us see what happens with its features and how developers utilize the system.

I remember another system that didn't have a lot of great launch games, and took a while before it did, meanwhile other systems coming out had great hype. That system was the PS2.[/quote]


Yes, but there was tons of info on games that would be coming out for the PS2, and there's seemingly just scraps and bones on the DS. Also, the PS2 wasn't going head-to-head with any serious contenders like the DS is.[/quote]

Wasn't going head to head with any serious contenders? XBOX and GCN weren't serious contenders?

I think 120 games are coming out this year for the DS according to a recent announcement.[/quote]

Maybe you weren't around when this gen started, but Sony completely dominated both Gamecube, and XBox during the first year of there launches. They were not anywhere near serious contenders, Gamecube fresh off the N64 which left a bad taste in most peoples mouths. While the PS was this fresh new form of console that used discs well. Not to mention the PS2 could play DVDs, and PSone games. Xbox, this big new console that everyone was skeptical of being that Microsoft had never made a home console before.
 
[quote name='evilmax17'][quote name='Chris in Cali']Also, the PS2 wasn't going head-to-head with any serious contenders like the DS is.[/quote]

*Dreamcast rolls over in grave*[/quote]

:shock: DREAMCAST OH THE SORROW!!! I LOVE MY DREAMCAST!!!

"gripping system tightly with wiley look in eyes"

That's right back away from the dreamcast it's all mine.

Everyone seems to be complaining about the same things with these handhelds. Why not stop complaining and wait a year or so.
 
The DC was a technically good system but Sony had them beat before it came out. Sega's quick abandonment of the console arenatook away Sony's early competition untill the GC and XB released.
 
or it could be the bastards at EGM are egotistical pundits (redundant maybe?) who think their opinions are all that matter.

personally, i can't stand reading that magazine. GI is oh so much more entertaining and informative.
 
[quote name='jkam']Everyone seems to be complaining about the same things with these handhelds. Why not stop complaining and wait a year or so.[/quote]

You're using LOGIC? you realize logic is useless in a system war right?
 
[quote name='Alpha2'][quote name='jkam']Everyone seems to be complaining about the same things with these handhelds. Why not stop complaining and wait a year or so.[/quote]

You're using LOGIC? you realize logic is useless in a system war right?[/quote]

Yeah I know the whole thing is kind of like this -----> ](*,)

Even just the idea of a system war is kind of pointless...everyone should play what they like. I have a PS2 and a Gamecube. Suprisingly they sit on the same shelf next to each other and not once have I caught them fighting or yelling at each other. They just sit there nicely and take turns playing my games. :D
 
Indeed.
peace.JPG
 
[quote name='MorPhiend'][quote name='pumbaa']The VB arguments are moot at this point. The thing is a success regardless of what you think of it as a peice of hardware. It has surpassed Nintendo's OWN expectations of it. SO just throw that out the window now. I'm just wondering if its just me, or if EGM is really pushing the PSP hard as hell. It really does start to make me think about journalistic integrety. I mean the goddamthing is front and center on the cover... the DS is literally BEHIND the PSP. Sure EGM has been hard on Nintendo in the past... everyone has (I've come to realize that since it is the oldest console making company and since most of the journalists out there loved their NES, Nintendo's "failures" of late hit them hardest and get reported on the most) but this DS stuff is just ridiculous.[/quote]

Actually, a lot of the journalists of today's generation were either too young to play anything pre-PS1 or were brought into gaming by the "cool" PS1. So if you ever see bias, I'd say that's where it comes from. But you just have to deal with it.
[/quote]

I'm younger than the journalists out there now and I was playing Nintendo when it was popular, snes/genesis when they were popular, and all the way through to today. To say they were too young is not it at all. Only reason why the PSP is getting "seemingly" better reviews is because no ones really touched it yet, and been able to check it out for themselves here in the states. And to be honest, I have that EGM and the article doesn't really contain any DS games that're blowing my hair back, I'd be unenthusiastic too. To the people whining about the touch screen controls, every game I've played for the DS so far has controller options, so set it so you don't need to use the damned stylus. The only exception possibly being feel the magic, but I haven't played that yet, only watched.
 
[quote name='evilmax17'][quote name='Chris in Cali']Also, the PS2 wasn't going head-to-head with any serious contenders like the DS is.[/quote]

*Dreamcast rolls over in grave*[/quote]

Grave? What grave? The Dreamcast isn't dead! :evil:
 
[quote name='evilmax17'][quote name='Chris in Cali']Also, the PS2 wasn't going head-to-head with any serious contenders like the DS is.[/quote]

*Dreamcast rolls over in grave*[/quote]
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
Well, having read 1/2 of this thread I'm just going to jump up here an post my humble 2 cents:

1st Cent: I think it's pathetic when people complain that Foxnews is "Conservative". It's like people who complain about BET being Reverse-Discriminatory (Black Entertainment Television). Oh really? Predominantly Caucasion-targeted entertainment on the other 99 channels 24/7 isn't enough for you?

"Boo hoo! I am so used to hearing my news from a cast of reporters whose staff is self-identified as liberals over conservatives by a 5-1 margin. Fox is so unfair. Can't they be like ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, and NPR (Who are well documented as having staffs that openly defined themselves as "liberal" by a 5-1 margin)?" As usual, the liberal voice speaks out for uniformity rather than open-mindedness and for the restriction of differing opinions under the self-righteous auspices of "fairness". A liberal will only stand up for freedom of speech when it is their own political speech that is being challenged. When they don't like other speech, they call it "hateful", "closed-minded", or if they can't make either of those stick they call it a lie (without proof) and demand censorship.

By the way, was it FoxNews who just had to fire 4 people because they ran a horribly biased story against a Presidential candidate during the election campaign without fact-checking and ended up being exposed as frauds to the entire world? No wait, that was CBS.

2nd Cent: I have felt for some time that EGM was pushing the PSP pretty hard and have felt disappointed with their coverage of the DS. I'm not ready to charge them with intentional bias, but I think it's pretty clear that the staff is pulling for the PSP and is giving it an easy pass. Maybe Sony's recent history gives them some deserved benefit of the doubt, but for whatever reason the magazine seems to be leaning decidedly in their favor.
 
Please, everyone. I thought we were back on topic. Let's stay that way. If we don't, NFG (or another mod) will lock this topic.

Actually, that might not be a bad idea...
 
Well a preview of what is to come keys into a basic human emotion of wanting to wait for something better. I think if the PSP was first at this stage.. the media would be praising the DS for 'what might be' instead of the DS for 'what is'. I believe this theory carries more weight as I believe video game magazines have gone SO MUCH to the 'preview' mode and less of the 'review' mode.
 
[quote name='ViolentLee']As amused as I am about the Fox News comment, I'll try to stick to the topic.

I am sick and freaking tired of gamers claiming magazines and other gaming enthusiast outlets are biased. Give it a damn break already!

Guess what? We have to buy our consoles just like you do (the only time Sony has given away non-debug consoles is at the PS2 launch, where they gave attendees -- most of which were NOT media -- PSones)! Guess what else? We have our own opinions on things just like you do! And guess what else? The things you like, some of them have flaws!

The word "biased" gets thrown around way, way, way too much. I personally have a bias against things that suck, and a bias for cool things. I believe most people sway that way. However, what one person things is cool, another may find sucky.

Just because EGM, or any other outlet, is giving PSP more coverage now or may point out some of DS's shortcomings does NOT make them biased. They are analyzing the gaming climate. Plus, PSP is too new to really know much about the flaws, as it isn't out yet, but they will be pointed out when they come to light. Besides, I don't think anyone but the biggest Nintendo fanboys can deny that A) DS needs more games and fast, and B) Nintendo has problems with third-party publisher relations.

I played PSP, and I'm into it. I haven't been thrilled with DS yet. Does that make me biased? No, because I'm basing my opinion on the facts that I know. There's a big difference. Bias is "A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment," or "An unfair act or policy stemming from prejudice." I believe gaming journalists, like myself, try to be fair and impartial -- much more so than the general gaming populace. However, if we were 100% impartial, all games would get 10s. Think about this before you use that term again, won't you?[/quote]

Whoa whoa whoa buddy, slow down... hold your horses. I pay for my magazines, and I also pay for my systems. Opinion is perfectly fine. In fact that what reviews of games are based on, they are completely subjective. When I speak of bias I speak of wording articles in specific ways, publishing specfic graphics, and supplying the "news" in ways that show favoratism towards one console. EGM is awesome at balancing the big three consoles. I've never felt like they have been unfair to any of the console makers. With this whole portable war thing, I've gotten the vibe from the start that EGM (and 1up.com) was just loving the PSP and kind of casting the DS aside. If you would like I'd be more than happy to look at back issues and give you page numbers are article titles. I don't throw the word bias around lightly, especially with a magazine I love. But just because you think a systems is "cooler" doesn't mean it deserves undue praise and magazine space, and it doesn't mean that its competitor deserves marginalization. The proof is in the cover, look at this months cover. Its about "The years of the Portables"... not the PSP. The cover picture says something different.
 
[quote name='BLarR']
And to be honest, I have that EGM and the article doesn't really contain any DS games that're blowing my hair back, I'd be unenthusiastic too. [/quote]

And what was there in the PSP section that really "blows your hair back"? That FPS that every preview I've read says the control scheme sucks hard? Frogger? Labyrinth... er.. "Mercury"? That zombie shooter that looks like it'd be better suited to the DS touchscreen mechanic?

On all counts EGM presented these in a positive light. Had the FPS been on DS with that control scheme, they would have torn it apart. Instead, using an analog for aiming at the left thumb (which is traditionally on the RIGHT) and Turok (first n64-style) strafing on the face buttons simply takes "some getting used to." No, it's not archaic and crappy, it's just something to adjust to. BUNK.
 
[quote name='WildWop'][quote name='BLarR']
And to be honest, I have that EGM and the article doesn't really contain any DS games that're blowing my hair back, I'd be unenthusiastic too. [/quote]

And what was there in the PSP section that really "blows your hair back"? That FPS that every preview I've read says the control scheme sucks hard? Frogger? Labyrinth... er.. "Mercury"? That zombie shooter that looks like it'd be better suited to the DS touchscreen mechanic?

On all counts EGM presented these in a positive light. Had the FPS been on DS with that control scheme, they would have torn it apart. Instead, using an analog for aiming at the left thumb (which is traditionally on the RIGHT) and Turok (first n64-style) strafing on the face buttons simply takes "some getting used to." No, it's not archaic and crappy, it's just something to adjust to. BUNK.[/quote]

Exactly!

EGM pg. 86
"Predictably, the 2nd screen..."
pg. 88
"Cute, but hardly functional"
It's like the DS's 2nd screen is a BAD thing if its not giving them something "new" and "innovative". The only game that is NEAR innovative for PSP is Mercury, I just want them to call it like it is... not like they want us to see it.

They even find space to criticize WarioWare because Feel the Magic beat it to the punch in the "quirky mini-games" genre. I mean come on EGM!
 
EGM clearly wants to be known as a trendsetter or a hit maker. Like you have to impress them to be successful, "if we dont like you we'll make sure our legion of devoted readers dont like you either." They want to BE the voice of the gaming public.

I don't want them speaking for me.
 
[quote name='Alpha2']EGM clearly wants to be known as a trendsetter or a hit maker. Like you have to impress them to be successful, "if we dont like you we'll make sure our legion of devoted readers dont like you either." They want to BE the voice of the gaming public.

I don't want them speaking for me.[/quote]

Interesting. I think you hit the nail on the head. They seem to want to be a trendsetter for gaming with their backing of the PSP. It may be simply sheer admiration and excitement about the "possibilities" that the PSP will allow in the handheld arena (arguably the best competitor to the GB empire) that is clouding their vision. MAybe its something more, I'm glad I'm not the only one who has been seeing this.
 
[quote name='Cornfedwb']Well seeing as the DS is still just on the verge of being the next Virtual Boy, IMHO..[/quote]

best use of the word humble in IMHO ever!
 
[quote name='pumbaa'][quote name='ViolentLee']As amused as I am about the Fox News comment, I'll try to stick to the topic.

I am sick and freaking tired of gamers claiming magazines and other gaming enthusiast outlets are biased. Give it a damn break already!

Guess what? We have to buy our consoles just like you do (the only time Sony has given away non-debug consoles is at the PS2 launch, where they gave attendees -- most of which were NOT media -- PSones)! Guess what else? We have our own opinions on things just like you do! And guess what else? The things you like, some of them have flaws!

The word "biased" gets thrown around way, way, way too much. I personally have a bias against things that suck, and a bias for cool things. I believe most people sway that way. However, what one person things is cool, another may find sucky.

Just because EGM, or any other outlet, is giving PSP more coverage now or may point out some of DS's shortcomings does NOT make them biased. They are analyzing the gaming climate. Plus, PSP is too new to really know much about the flaws, as it isn't out yet, but they will be pointed out when they come to light. Besides, I don't think anyone but the biggest Nintendo fanboys can deny that A) DS needs more games and fast, and B) Nintendo has problems with third-party publisher relations.

I played PSP, and I'm into it. I haven't been thrilled with DS yet. Does that make me biased? No, because I'm basing my opinion on the facts that I know. There's a big difference. Bias is "A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment," or "An unfair act or policy stemming from prejudice." I believe gaming journalists, like myself, try to be fair and impartial -- much more so than the general gaming populace. However, if we were 100% impartial, all games would get 10s. Think about this before you use that term again, won't you?[/quote]

Whoa whoa whoa buddy, slow down... hold your horses. I pay for my magazines, and I also pay for my systems. Opinion is perfectly fine. In fact that what reviews of games are based on, they are completely subjective. When I speak of bias I speak of wording articles in specific ways, publishing specfic graphics, and supplying the "news" in ways that show favoratism towards one console. EGM is awesome at balancing the big three consoles. I've never felt like they have been unfair to any of the console makers. With this whole portable war thing, I've gotten the vibe from the start that EGM (and 1up.com) was just loving the PSP and kind of casting the DS aside. If you would like I'd be more than happy to look at back issues and give you page numbers are article titles. I don't throw the word bias around lightly, especially with a magazine I love. But just because you think a systems is "cooler" doesn't mean it deserves undue praise and magazine space, and it doesn't mean that its competitor deserves marginalization. The proof is in the cover, look at this months cover. Its about "The years of the Portables"... not the PSP. The cover picture says something different.[/quote]

I wasn't talking about the specific point of EGM/DS/PSP, but of people complaining about game journalists saying negative things about games/consoles that the reader likes. I've been reading CAG for a while now, and I thought it was time to speak up about it. Citing specific pages or articles won't do me much good, as I haven't owned an EGM for at least 5 years.

And actually, it's perfectly natural for editors to give more space to things they think are "cooler." That's what editorial is all about. "Do I give four pages to preview this game I really like, or to one I don't care so much about?" Seems pretty cut-and-dry to me.
 
These things are seen in Previews, not Editorials. Good publications know the difference between the two, and do not blend bias from the latter into the former.
 
[quote name='ViolentLee'][quote name='pumbaa'][quote name='ViolentLee']As amused as I am about the Fox News comment, I'll try to stick to the topic.

I am sick and freaking tired of gamers claiming magazines and other gaming enthusiast outlets are biased. Give it a damn break already!

Guess what? We have to buy our consoles just like you do (the only time Sony has given away non-debug consoles is at the PS2 launch, where they gave attendees -- most of which were NOT media -- PSones)! Guess what else? We have our own opinions on things just like you do! And guess what else? The things you like, some of them have flaws!

The word "biased" gets thrown around way, way, way too much. I personally have a bias against things that suck, and a bias for cool things. I believe most people sway that way. However, what one person things is cool, another may find sucky.

Just because EGM, or any other outlet, is giving PSP more coverage now or may point out some of DS's shortcomings does NOT make them biased. They are analyzing the gaming climate. Plus, PSP is too new to really know much about the flaws, as it isn't out yet, but they will be pointed out when they come to light. Besides, I don't think anyone but the biggest Nintendo fanboys can deny that A) DS needs more games and fast, and B) Nintendo has problems with third-party publisher relations.

I played PSP, and I'm into it. I haven't been thrilled with DS yet. Does that make me biased? No, because I'm basing my opinion on the facts that I know. There's a big difference. Bias is "A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment," or "An unfair act or policy stemming from prejudice." I believe gaming journalists, like myself, try to be fair and impartial -- much more so than the general gaming populace. However, if we were 100% impartial, all games would get 10s. Think about this before you use that term again, won't you?[/quote]

Whoa whoa whoa buddy, slow down... hold your horses. I pay for my magazines, and I also pay for my systems. Opinion is perfectly fine. In fact that what reviews of games are based on, they are completely subjective. When I speak of bias I speak of wording articles in specific ways, publishing specfic graphics, and supplying the "news" in ways that show favoratism towards one console. EGM is awesome at balancing the big three consoles. I've never felt like they have been unfair to any of the console makers. With this whole portable war thing, I've gotten the vibe from the start that EGM (and 1up.com) was just loving the PSP and kind of casting the DS aside. If you would like I'd be more than happy to look at back issues and give you page numbers are article titles. I don't throw the word bias around lightly, especially with a magazine I love. But just because you think a systems is "cooler" doesn't mean it deserves undue praise and magazine space, and it doesn't mean that its competitor deserves marginalization. The proof is in the cover, look at this months cover. Its about "The years of the Portables"... not the PSP. The cover picture says something different.[/quote]

I wasn't talking about the specific point of EGM/DS/PSP, but of people complaining about game journalists saying negative things about games/consoles that the reader likes. I've been reading CAG for a while now, and I thought it was time to speak up about it. Citing specific pages or articles won't do me much good, as I haven't owned an EGM for at least 5 years.

And actually, it's perfectly natural for editors to give more space to things they think are "cooler." That's what editorial is all about. "Do I give four pages to preview this game I really like, or to one I don't care so much about?" Seems pretty cut-and-dry to me.[/quote]

Its not a matter of more space or less space. Its a matter of content and attitude. the DS is getting n-gage type mocking and coverage from EGM. Obviously for many of us gamers (the people who read EGM) the n-gage was a sub-par gaming system. Gamers do not seem to have the same attitudes towards the DS, the mainstream obviously does not either. EGM is perpetuating this illusion by making off-hand comments and casting the DS in the same light as the n-gage. Whereas the PSP is getting pumped up to death.

EGM says about the PSP:

"The clear favorite in the brewing portable wars..."

About the main screenshot under the story, "This semibelievable "work in progress" screenshot proves that..."

Perfect comparison... EGM talking about an FPS
"Since the PSP doesn't have dual analog sticks, Coded Arms allows you to customize the controls any ways you choose..."

Whereas DS gets ripped in most of its reviews for lack of a specific control method in its design, EGM instead concentrates on the "flexibility" of the game... instead of the lack of dual sticks.

I mean seriously, the more I read over the whole section... the more I notice the bias. Obviously I'm not saying EGM is all dreary and horrible to the DS. In fact they have a lot of positives about the thing, but they preform a more "balance" evaluation of the DS, whereas their coverage of the PSP thus far has been nothing BUT glowing... not covering load times, battery issues, and the like that have been available from the start. Again, maybe its just because we HAVE the DS here. What I wonder is if EGM is painting itself into a corner. They are hyping the PSP a lot, so what have if the flops? What happens if its a failure of the GameGear kind? Do they continue to sing its high praises. That I don't know, I'm just a EGM reader who expected a little more from my fave mag.
 
pumbaa, you're a well-informed reader, and obviously thought long and hard about your topic (as far as message board topics go, anyway). It's tough to take snippets without the context surrounding them, but you seem to have a viable beef.

By the way, no one should really consider either DS or PSP a flop. It's pretty obvious that both will be big sellers. DS had a huge Christmas, PSP had a big launch in Japan, and I'm not going out on a limb to say both will be more successful than any previous handheld that didn't have the words "Game Boy" in its name.
 
You know what the funniest thing about this will be?
After both have launched, and the dust settles, the GBA SP will still be the top dog. It also will likely be the market leader for another year or so, too.
 
[quote name='JSweeney']You know what the funniest thing about this will be?
After both have launched, and the dust settles, the GBA SP will still be the top dog. It also will like be the market leader for another year or so, too.[/quote]

:applause: Maybe now that you said it people will actually pay attention to it.
 
The DS is a innovative little piece of hardware. I own one and have been playing the same 2 games (Mario and Asphalt) since it came out. To me it seems more gimmicky then practical in terms of functionality. Do I really need a second screen to show me my scores or a map?. It's too bulky to be a true portable and the ergonomics is just plain bad. My hands cramp up if I'm using it for more then 10 minutes. I have a feeling that if Nintendo doesn't start figuring out some clever way to use the touch screen and fit it into actual gameplay the DS will turn into another Virtual Boy. I do hope for it's sucess as I hate to see any system go under (RIP Dreamcast). The DS creator better pray for it's sucess because we all know what happened to Gunpei Yokoi after the Virtual Boy debacle, may he rest in peace. He was killed in an "auto accident". Word on the street was he was hit by the same car twice.

*PS. I love all gadgets and videogames so I could care less what brand is imprinted on the system. I would own the systems just for the games and if I had it my way I'd be playing new games on my Import Neo Geo Pocket.
 
[quote name='ViolentLee']pumbaa, you're a well-informed reader, and obviously thought long and hard about your topic (as far as message board topics go, anyway). It's tough to take snippets without the context surrounding them, but you seem to have a viable beef.

By the way, no one should really consider either DS or PSP a flop. It's pretty obvious that both will be big sellers. DS had a huge Christmas, PSP had a big launch in Japan, and I'm not going out on a limb to say both will be more successful than any previous handheld that didn't have the words "Game Boy" in its name.[/quote]

Wow. That was refreshing. Thanks a lot. Light Side Points gained there buddy.
:applause:
 
[quote name='plastikpyro']The DS is a innovative little piece of hardware. I own one and have been playing the same 2 games (Mario and Asphalt) since it came out. To me it seems more gimmicky then practical in terms of functionality. Do I really need a second screen to show me my scores or a map?. It's too bulky to be a true portable and the ergonomics is just plain bad. My hands cramp up if I'm using it for more then 10 minutes. I have a feeling that if Nintendo doesn't start figuring out some clever way to use the touch screen and fit it into actual gameplay the DS will turn into another Virtual Boy. I do hope for it's sucess as I hate to see any system go under (RIP Dreamcast). The DS creator better pray for it's sucess because we all know what happened to Gunpei Yokoi after the Virtual Boy debacle, may he rest in peace. He was killed in an "auto accident". Word on the street was he was hit by the same car twice.

*PS. I love all gadgets and videogames so I could care less what brand is imprinted on the system. I would own the systems just for the games and if I had it my way I'd be playing new games on my Import Neo Geo Pocket.[/quote]

It's already not a Virtual Boy. It has not nearly killed kids with epilepsy, and already has better games for it. Virtual Boy gave me a headache after playing it for 10 minutes in a Sears when I was like 12. Virtual Boy did not have the technology to back up its gimmick (if it happened with today's tech, in full color, it would have had better impact and less kids convulsing on the ground). Touchscreens, while new to true gaming, is not new and is a proven method of input that simply requires creativity in design to implement properly.

If you aren't looking forward to Wario Ware, Animal Crossing, Advance Wars (the touchscreen will rock as an input device, if you ask me -- not to mention the aerial combat!), and a wireless-enabled Mario Kart (online perhaps?), then sell your DS. Go to EB and see if you can track down a clearance NGPC 6-game pack.
 
[quote name='Cornfedwb'][quote name='pumbaa']Reading through their recent issues (and even www.1up.com) is seems that PSP gets away with awesome previews and forecasts for games (which is good because the games look great), but then on the same token shows a couple of games for the DS and makes comments like "it remains to be seen if gamers will warm up to its innovations". Looking back, it just seems like DS' flaws are all promoted, and none of PSP's are. Maybe its simply because the DS is out and thus being used more? Any opinions?[/quote]

Well seeing as the DS is still just on the verge of being the next Virtual Boy, IMHO.. and seeing as most of the games look quite gimmicky, childish or just plain stupid.. I don't think they're biased, just truthful.[/quote]

yea, i agree...a lot of 'em are being quite gimmicky...
 
[quote name='plastikpyro']The DS is a innovative little piece of hardware. I own one and have been playing the same 2 games (Mario and Asphalt) since it came out. To me it seems more gimmicky then practical in terms of functionality. Do I really need a second screen to show me my scores or a map?. It's too bulky to be a true portable and the ergonomics is just plain bad. My hands cramp up if I'm using it for more then 10 minutes. I have a feeling that if Nintendo doesn't start figuring out some clever way to use the touch screen and fit it into actual gameplay the DS will turn into another Virtual Boy. I do hope for it's sucess as I hate to see any system go under (RIP Dreamcast). The DS creator better pray for it's sucess because we all know what happened to Gunpei Yokoi after the Virtual Boy debacle, may he rest in peace. He was killed in an "auto accident". Word on the street was he was hit by the same car twice.

*PS. I love all gadgets and videogames so I could care less what brand is imprinted on the system. I would own the systems just for the games and if I had it my way I'd be playing new games on my Import Neo Geo Pocket.[/quote]

I agree with this. The DS makes my hands hurt, the second screen is more of a distraction than anything, and it really is too big for me to carry around easily.. I really want this thing to succeed, but I have to say I'm disappointed so far. And NOT just because of the launch titles, because of the hardware.
 
[quote name='Cornfedwb']
Well seeing as the DS is still just on the verge of being the next Virtual Boy, IMHO.. and seeing as most of the games look quite gimmicky, childish or just plain stupid.. I don't think they're biased, just truthful.[/quote]

hiss! this kitty's got fangs!

I applaud your unprovoked, irrational backlash of a nintendo product and direct you to the gamefaqs.com boards
 
[quote name='pumbaa'][quote name='ViolentLee']pumbaa, you're a well-informed reader, and obviously thought long and hard about your topic (as far as message board topics go, anyway). It's tough to take snippets without the context surrounding them, but you seem to have a viable beef.

By the way, no one should really consider either DS or PSP a flop. It's pretty obvious that both will be big sellers. DS had a huge Christmas, PSP had a big launch in Japan, and I'm not going out on a limb to say both will be more successful than any previous handheld that didn't have the words "Game Boy" in its name.[/quote]

Wow. That was refreshing. Thanks a lot. Light Side Points gained there buddy.
:applause:[/quote]

Defying some message board convention, I try to be open and give credit where it's due. Oh, and I played KOTOR 1 all the way through without getting a single dark side point. :)
 
[quote name='ViolentLee'][quote name='pumbaa'][quote name='ViolentLee']pumbaa, you're a well-informed reader, and obviously thought long and hard about your topic (as far as message board topics go, anyway). It's tough to take snippets without the context surrounding them, but you seem to have a viable beef.

By the way, no one should really consider either DS or PSP a flop. It's pretty obvious that both will be big sellers. DS had a huge Christmas, PSP had a big launch in Japan, and I'm not going out on a limb to say both will be more successful than any previous handheld that didn't have the words "Game Boy" in its name.[/quote]

Wow. That was refreshing. Thanks a lot. Light Side Points gained there buddy.
:applause:[/quote]

Have you played it through on the Dark Side? I didn't find the Light Side half as entertaining as the Dark Side... So many conversations that I could have circumvented via Force Persuade...

Defying some message board convention, I try to be open and give credit where it's due. Oh, and I played KOTOR 1 all the way through without getting a single dark side point. :)[/quote]
 
[quote name='WildWop']
Have you played it through on the Dark Side? I didn't find the Light Side half as entertaining as the Dark Side... So many conversations that I could have circumvented via Force Persuade...[/quote]

Nope, I haven't. Perhaps I'll go that route on KOTOR II, which is sitting on my shelf, waiting for me to finish MGS 3: Snake Eater.
 
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