The 360 really only has 1 great game - Gears of War... and its not even that much of a challenge. The ps3 has a better library of games, because of the ps2 titles that are working on the system, and there's a decent library of games for the ps3 as well. No 360 game at launch was as good as Resistance...NONE! The 360 has a nice library and online options, but its nothing to sing and shout about.. or try to use it to put down the ps3 and its set of games.
Is it me or is the ps3 finally turning a corner?
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The thing is that everyone likes different games. Some people love and are happy with the PS3s lineup. If they are happy with their console and games, then that's absolutely great and no one else's opinion should matter. People should be happy with what they purchase. However if we want to compare the current selection of games on the PS3 and 360, then there's not a big enough difference to warrant a $200 price difference for many people.
Without a doubt the PS3 has a HUGE backlog of titles with their PS1 and PS2 titles playable on the PS3. This is a nice feature, but for people who don't have all those games or don't care about old titles (i.e. they bought a new system to play new games) it won't really matter. Plus isn't it a console makers goal to sell new games anyways? Again, for some people the available catalogue of PS3 games isn't big or different enough to warrant such a purchase.
Also, personally it always seems unfair to compare two difference consoles launches when they didn't occur within 6 months of each other. You can always make those facts for both systems.
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Pro Sony:
-Multiplatform games look better on the 360 because the developers have had way more development time with that console than ours.
Pro Microsoft:
-Resistance was a good game because it had so much development time (as much as our titles).
Again, it comes down to a person's personal taste. Resistance is known as the best title on the PS3 for many people, but if a person doesn't like FPSs then it won't really matter. Say they really like RPGs, then at this point the next generation systems may not be so appealing. Going back to the PS2 hurting the PS3, if a person wants to play many RPGs, then a PS2 may be a better purchase for them right now rather than a PS3.
Without a doubt the PS3 has a HUGE backlog of titles with their PS1 and PS2 titles playable on the PS3. This is a nice feature, but for people who don't have all those games or don't care about old titles (i.e. they bought a new system to play new games) it won't really matter. Plus isn't it a console makers goal to sell new games anyways? Again, for some people the available catalogue of PS3 games isn't big or different enough to warrant such a purchase.
Also, personally it always seems unfair to compare two difference consoles launches when they didn't occur within 6 months of each other. You can always make those facts for both systems.
---Examples---
Pro Sony:
-Multiplatform games look better on the 360 because the developers have had way more development time with that console than ours.
Pro Microsoft:
-Resistance was a good game because it had so much development time (as much as our titles).
Again, it comes down to a person's personal taste. Resistance is known as the best title on the PS3 for many people, but if a person doesn't like FPSs then it won't really matter. Say they really like RPGs, then at this point the next generation systems may not be so appealing. Going back to the PS2 hurting the PS3, if a person wants to play many RPGs, then a PS2 may be a better purchase for them right now rather than a PS3.
[quote name='Thomas96']The 360 really only has 1 great game - Gears of War... and its not even that much of a challenge. The ps3 has a better library of games, because of the ps2 titles that are working on the system, and there's a decent library of games for the ps3 as well. No 360 game at launch was as good as Resistance...NONE! The 360 has a nice library and online options, but its nothing to sing and shout about.. or try to use it to put down the ps3 and its set of games.[/QUOTE]
I much prefer my PS3 to the 360 I had for a couple months because it's such a nice piece of electronics, but we've got to be realistic. The PS3 is competing against the 360 of TODAY, not of 2005.
XBL is a great asset for the 360. Yes, you've got to pay for it, but is $50 (or less if you know where to go) that much money? It's less than the cost of a game for a year's worth. PSN has a long long way to go to match it.
And Gears is the only good game for the 360? That's just foolish talk. Resistance is ok but no where near as immersive as Gears or even Lost Planet. The PS3 library will improve greatly over the next few months and will make up tons of ground on the 360 but it's got a long way to go.
On that note, we see many games on the horizon that are going to push the PS3 to new heights. Anything like that on the 360 front or is it topping out with Halo 3?
I much prefer my PS3 to the 360 I had for a couple months because it's such a nice piece of electronics, but we've got to be realistic. The PS3 is competing against the 360 of TODAY, not of 2005.
XBL is a great asset for the 360. Yes, you've got to pay for it, but is $50 (or less if you know where to go) that much money? It's less than the cost of a game for a year's worth. PSN has a long long way to go to match it.
And Gears is the only good game for the 360? That's just foolish talk. Resistance is ok but no where near as immersive as Gears or even Lost Planet. The PS3 library will improve greatly over the next few months and will make up tons of ground on the 360 but it's got a long way to go.
On that note, we see many games on the horizon that are going to push the PS3 to new heights. Anything like that on the 360 front or is it topping out with Halo 3?
[quote name='Thomas96']The 360 really only has 1 great game - Gears of War... and its not even that much of a challenge. The ps3 has a better library of games, because of the ps2 titles that are working on the system, and there's a decent library of games for the ps3 as well. No 360 game at launch was as good as Resistance...NONE! The 360 has a nice library and online options, but its nothing to sing and shout about.. or try to use it to put down the ps3 and its set of games.[/QUOTE]
But after Resistance...what?
Gears Of War, Viva Pinata, Oblivion, Crackdown, Dead Rising, and Saint's Row are all solid 360 titles, and the only one that isn't exclusive at this point (Oblivion) is helped out immensely by Live's downloadable content.
I want the PS3 to do well. Competition is a good thing. Without it, developers get lazy and we end up with a lot of mediocre games. At this point though, it's hard to be excited about the PS3. Come holiday time, it's going to get interesting. The best of the best games for the 360 came out around 8-12 months after launch, and that puts us at Holiday '07 for Sony's box.
But after Resistance...what?
Gears Of War, Viva Pinata, Oblivion, Crackdown, Dead Rising, and Saint's Row are all solid 360 titles, and the only one that isn't exclusive at this point (Oblivion) is helped out immensely by Live's downloadable content.
I want the PS3 to do well. Competition is a good thing. Without it, developers get lazy and we end up with a lot of mediocre games. At this point though, it's hard to be excited about the PS3. Come holiday time, it's going to get interesting. The best of the best games for the 360 came out around 8-12 months after launch, and that puts us at Holiday '07 for Sony's box.
[quote name='Cleaner7']The PS3 is still in trouble as of right now. However, once their big exclusives start coming out, then they will reach a turning point in my opinion.
Right now all the people who bought a PS3 are considered hardcore and/or were willing to trust Sony about their system's potential.
As the recent April sales show, the Sony still has some work ahead of them. And for people pointing out that the PS2 is selling so well, that actually works against Sony and their need to sell PS3s. The thing is that the PS2 has so many great games so many people don't see the need to upgrade to a PS3 and that ultimately hurts Sony in trying to push those people to adopt a newer more expensive console. Many people are still satisfied with their PS2s so they figure why pay $600 when I don't need all those extra features.
SUMMARY:
Basically these 3 things are really working against Sony:
- PS2: Many people are still happy with their PS2 and don't feel the immediate need to upgrade.
- Price: $600 is a lot of money for most people so it's mainly hardcore people who are buying it.
- Software/Games: There aren't many exclusive AAA titles out right now for the PS3. Most of their games are ports from the 360.
Once Sony addresses those 3 major issues even more people will purchase PS3s and that will mark the turning point. It can all be fixed with a price drop and the passage of time (PS2 gets even older/gamers get tired of old games and PS3 has more attractive titles out).
Personally, I don't buy into potential and can wait. Yes, I do have a 360 and love it, but I also have a PS2 and had a PS1 and will eventually get a PS3. It just doesn't offer a vastly different experience right now and I think once those great titles they announced start to come out is when the PS3 will finally be turning a corner. Most likely that'll be towards the end of this year and into next Spring.[/QUOTE]
I agree with your latter two points, but disagree about the PS2 working against the PS3. They are aimed at two completely different markets. People who waited 7 years to get a PS2 at $129, aren't going to be jumping all over the 6 month old $600 PS3. Some will jump to PS3 once PS2 stops, but seeing as how most of these guys are budget gamers, they would more than likely go to the Wii, or get another last gen system, which is means Sony is losing customers. With the PS2 still selling, Sony is locking in potential future customers who will most likely go to the PS3 when they are good and ready, rather than be cut off, and forced to another alternative (in which they may decide solely on price, instead of what they really want).
Right now all the people who bought a PS3 are considered hardcore and/or were willing to trust Sony about their system's potential.
As the recent April sales show, the Sony still has some work ahead of them. And for people pointing out that the PS2 is selling so well, that actually works against Sony and their need to sell PS3s. The thing is that the PS2 has so many great games so many people don't see the need to upgrade to a PS3 and that ultimately hurts Sony in trying to push those people to adopt a newer more expensive console. Many people are still satisfied with their PS2s so they figure why pay $600 when I don't need all those extra features.
SUMMARY:
Basically these 3 things are really working against Sony:
- PS2: Many people are still happy with their PS2 and don't feel the immediate need to upgrade.
- Price: $600 is a lot of money for most people so it's mainly hardcore people who are buying it.
- Software/Games: There aren't many exclusive AAA titles out right now for the PS3. Most of their games are ports from the 360.
Once Sony addresses those 3 major issues even more people will purchase PS3s and that will mark the turning point. It can all be fixed with a price drop and the passage of time (PS2 gets even older/gamers get tired of old games and PS3 has more attractive titles out).
Personally, I don't buy into potential and can wait. Yes, I do have a 360 and love it, but I also have a PS2 and had a PS1 and will eventually get a PS3. It just doesn't offer a vastly different experience right now and I think once those great titles they announced start to come out is when the PS3 will finally be turning a corner. Most likely that'll be towards the end of this year and into next Spring.[/QUOTE]
I agree with your latter two points, but disagree about the PS2 working against the PS3. They are aimed at two completely different markets. People who waited 7 years to get a PS2 at $129, aren't going to be jumping all over the 6 month old $600 PS3. Some will jump to PS3 once PS2 stops, but seeing as how most of these guys are budget gamers, they would more than likely go to the Wii, or get another last gen system, which is means Sony is losing customers. With the PS2 still selling, Sony is locking in potential future customers who will most likely go to the PS3 when they are good and ready, rather than be cut off, and forced to another alternative (in which they may decide solely on price, instead of what they really want).
[quote name='JJSP']But after Resistance...what?
Gears Of War, Viva Pinata, Oblivion, Crackdown, Dead Rising, and Saint's Row are all solid 360 titles, and the only one that isn't exclusive at this point (Oblivion) is helped out immensely by Live's downloadable content.
I want the PS3 to do well. Competition is a good thing. Without it, developers get lazy and we end up with a lot of mediocre games. At this point though, it's hard to be excited about the PS3. Come holiday time, it's going to get interesting. The best of the best games for the 360 came out around 8-12 months after launch, and that puts us at Holiday '07 for Sony's box.[/QUOTE]
I'd say from September on, both the 360 and PS3 are going to be really appealing. Each have a number of awesome looking exclusives, and add GTA4 and DMC4 to the mix and you have a good xmas season.
Gears Of War, Viva Pinata, Oblivion, Crackdown, Dead Rising, and Saint's Row are all solid 360 titles, and the only one that isn't exclusive at this point (Oblivion) is helped out immensely by Live's downloadable content.
I want the PS3 to do well. Competition is a good thing. Without it, developers get lazy and we end up with a lot of mediocre games. At this point though, it's hard to be excited about the PS3. Come holiday time, it's going to get interesting. The best of the best games for the 360 came out around 8-12 months after launch, and that puts us at Holiday '07 for Sony's box.[/QUOTE]
I'd say from September on, both the 360 and PS3 are going to be really appealing. Each have a number of awesome looking exclusives, and add GTA4 and DMC4 to the mix and you have a good xmas season.
15 exclusives and 90 third party games for ps3 this year hope it helps. Lair, Drake, Ratchet and Clank, WarHawk, Heavenly Sword, Little Big Planet, and Home i hope that can push sales. Also from npd april of only 80k sold i am sure there is a price drop. No EE and Cheaper Diodes make it possible.
I honestly believe it all depends on how E3 is this year because so many felt sony
ed up last year and if they up again that might be the end. However it is looking to be really good to generate some hype and postive press.
I honestly believe it all depends on how E3 is this year because so many felt sony
ed up last year and if they up again that might be the end. However it is looking to be really good to generate some hype and postive press.
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Another hting to look at, the people who are buying the PS2 are also the ones who aren't going to buy a 360 or Wii, so it helps them in a sense in taking away from their competitors.
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Originally Posted by dpatel
I'd take that more as a positive for the PS2, and not a negative for the PS3. The PS2 is one of the most successful consoles ever, so is it really that bad that it outsells the PS3? I wouldn't really think so. Just looking at the two systems, I can see why.
Yea, its like saying its bad that the DS outsells the Wii...
I guess it can sound bad how you word it. But it really isnt bad at all...[/quote]
WOW! That has to be the stupidest thing I have read on any forum here, ever.
ps2/ps3 and DS/Wii are completely deferment.
Each ps2 sold now is one person saying they are not interested in the ps3, at least not for a long while ([FONT="]Especially bad since the ps2 is outselling the ps3 )[/FONT]. No one is going to go “Oh! I just bought DS there is reason to buy a Wii”, in fact if they like there DS which is very likely they will probably be more likely to buy a Wii.
Don’t bother responding because I won’t read it.
Originally Posted by dpatel
I'd take that more as a positive for the PS2, and not a negative for the PS3. The PS2 is one of the most successful consoles ever, so is it really that bad that it outsells the PS3? I wouldn't really think so. Just looking at the two systems, I can see why.
Yea, its like saying its bad that the DS outsells the Wii...
I guess it can sound bad how you word it. But it really isnt bad at all...[/quote]
WOW! That has to be the stupidest thing I have read on any forum here, ever.
ps2/ps3 and DS/Wii are completely deferment.
Each ps2 sold now is one person saying they are not interested in the ps3, at least not for a long while ([FONT="]Especially bad since the ps2 is outselling the ps3 )[/FONT]. No one is going to go “Oh! I just bought DS there is reason to buy a Wii”, in fact if they like there DS which is very likely they will probably be more likely to buy a Wii.
Don’t bother responding because I won’t read it.
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[quote name='itachiitachi']WOW! That has to be the stupidest thing I have read on any forum here, ever.
ps2/ps3 and DS/Wii are completely deferment.
Each ps2 sold now is one person saying they are not interested in the ps3, at least not for a long while ([FONT="]Especially bad since the ps2 is outselling the ps3 )[/FONT]. No one is going to go “Oh! I just bought DS there is reason to buy a Wii”, in fact if they like there DS which is very likely they will probably be more likely to buy a Wii.
Don’t bother responding because I won’t read it.[/quote]
Uh.. ok...
Same thing to me....
If they like there PS2 they will probably be more likely to buy a PS3.
"A wii? No thanks I have a gamecube and some ductape."
And you know how I sound extremely dumb to you? Like I dont know anything? Well, thats how I see you.
And you dont have to be an ass.
Ass...
ps2/ps3 and DS/Wii are completely deferment.
Each ps2 sold now is one person saying they are not interested in the ps3, at least not for a long while ([FONT="]Especially bad since the ps2 is outselling the ps3 )[/FONT]. No one is going to go “Oh! I just bought DS there is reason to buy a Wii”, in fact if they like there DS which is very likely they will probably be more likely to buy a Wii.
Don’t bother responding because I won’t read it.[/quote]
Uh.. ok...
Same thing to me....
If they like there PS2 they will probably be more likely to buy a PS3.
"A wii? No thanks I have a gamecube and some ductape."
And you know how I sound extremely dumb to you? Like I dont know anything? Well, thats how I see you.
And you dont have to be an ass.
Ass...
[quote name='itachiitachi']WOW! That has to be the stupidest thing I have read on any forum here, ever.
ps2/ps3 and DS/Wii are completely deferment.
Each ps2 sold now is one person saying they are not interested in the ps3, at least not for a long while ([FONT="]Especially bad since the ps2 is outselling the ps3 )[/FONT]. No one is going to go “Oh! I just bought DS there is reason to buy a Wii”, in fact if they like there DS which is very likely they will probably be more likely to buy a Wii.
Don’t bother responding because I won’t read it.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you understand demographs, at all. The people who are buying the PS2 right now are the more casual, budget gamers. They aren't the type of people who go out and buy PS3s.
Why do you think the PS2 takes away from PS3 sales? You do realize that the PS3 is actually BC with the PS2 (and, up until about a month ago, was about 99% BC). So, if all that is stopping them from getting a PS3 is because of all the great games and support PS2 is getting, then why don't they get a PS3 and enjoy the best of both worlds? Obviously there is another factor coming into play here, which is what I was referring to earlier: Price.
Now, explain to me, why is my statement the 'stupidest thing you've ever read'? Because it makes sense? I guess, judging from your response, anything that does make sense would be considered stupid to you, so I guess i'll take that remark as a compliment, seeing as how mine was the 'stupidest' (read: smartest) post you've ever read.
ps2/ps3 and DS/Wii are completely deferment.
Each ps2 sold now is one person saying they are not interested in the ps3, at least not for a long while ([FONT="]Especially bad since the ps2 is outselling the ps3 )[/FONT]. No one is going to go “Oh! I just bought DS there is reason to buy a Wii”, in fact if they like there DS which is very likely they will probably be more likely to buy a Wii.
Don’t bother responding because I won’t read it.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you understand demographs, at all. The people who are buying the PS2 right now are the more casual, budget gamers. They aren't the type of people who go out and buy PS3s.
Why do you think the PS2 takes away from PS3 sales? You do realize that the PS3 is actually BC with the PS2 (and, up until about a month ago, was about 99% BC). So, if all that is stopping them from getting a PS3 is because of all the great games and support PS2 is getting, then why don't they get a PS3 and enjoy the best of both worlds? Obviously there is another factor coming into play here, which is what I was referring to earlier: Price.
Now, explain to me, why is my statement the 'stupidest thing you've ever read'? Because it makes sense? I guess, judging from your response, anything that does make sense would be considered stupid to you, so I guess i'll take that remark as a compliment, seeing as how mine was the 'stupidest' (read: smartest) post you've ever read.
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[quote name='dpatel']I don't think you understand demographs, at all. The people who are buying the PS2 right now are the more casual, budget gamers. They aren't the type of people who go out and buy PS3s.
Why do you think the PS2 takes away from PS3 sales? You do realize that the PS3 is actually BC with the PS2 (and, up until about a month ago, was about 99% BC). So, if all that is stopping them from getting a PS3 is because of all the great games and support PS2 is getting, then why don't they get a PS3 and enjoy the best of both worlds? Obviously there is another factor coming into play here, which is what I was referring to earlier: Price.
Now, explain to me, why is my statement the 'stupidest thing you've ever read'? Because it makes sense? I guess, judging from your response, anything that does make sense would be considered stupid to you, so I guess i'll take that remark as a compliment, seeing as how mine was the 'stupidest' (read: smartest) post you've ever read.[/quote]
There you go! Brilliant. You always know how to say it.
PS2 isnt an "OR" option. Its just a temporary establishment for your gaming needs until you save up enough to move onto the PS3, were all your games will be accepted!
Why do you think the PS2 takes away from PS3 sales? You do realize that the PS3 is actually BC with the PS2 (and, up until about a month ago, was about 99% BC). So, if all that is stopping them from getting a PS3 is because of all the great games and support PS2 is getting, then why don't they get a PS3 and enjoy the best of both worlds? Obviously there is another factor coming into play here, which is what I was referring to earlier: Price.
Now, explain to me, why is my statement the 'stupidest thing you've ever read'? Because it makes sense? I guess, judging from your response, anything that does make sense would be considered stupid to you, so I guess i'll take that remark as a compliment, seeing as how mine was the 'stupidest' (read: smartest) post you've ever read.[/quote]
There you go! Brilliant. You always know how to say it.
PS2 isnt an "OR" option. Its just a temporary establishment for your gaming needs until you save up enough to move onto the PS3, were all your games will be accepted!
[quote name='torifile']I much prefer my PS3 to the 360 I had for a couple months because it's such a nice piece of electronics, but we've got to be realistic. The PS3 is competing against the 360 of TODAY, not of 2005.
XBL is a great asset for the 360. Yes, you've got to pay for it, but is $50 (or less if you know where to go) that much money? It's less than the cost of a game for a year's worth. PSN has a long long way to go to match it.
And Gears is the only good game for the 360? That's just foolish talk. Resistance is ok but no where near as immersive as Gears or even Lost Planet. The PS3 library will improve greatly over the next few months and will make up tons of ground on the 360 but it's got a long way to go.
On that note, we see many games on the horizon that are going to push the PS3 to new heights. Anything like that on the 360 front or is it topping out with Halo 3?[/QUOTE]
I said that Gears is the only "Great" game the 360 has, and by great I mean system selling game. I'm not saying that Lost Planet, Saints row, weren't good games, I'm sure they are, but those aren't must have titles... or system selling titles... viva pinata... that game priced dropped quickly! But its a solid title, and the 360 has the best library of good games, right now, besides the ps2.
XBL is a great asset for the 360. Yes, you've got to pay for it, but is $50 (or less if you know where to go) that much money? It's less than the cost of a game for a year's worth. PSN has a long long way to go to match it.
And Gears is the only good game for the 360? That's just foolish talk. Resistance is ok but no where near as immersive as Gears or even Lost Planet. The PS3 library will improve greatly over the next few months and will make up tons of ground on the 360 but it's got a long way to go.
On that note, we see many games on the horizon that are going to push the PS3 to new heights. Anything like that on the 360 front or is it topping out with Halo 3?[/QUOTE]
I said that Gears is the only "Great" game the 360 has, and by great I mean system selling game. I'm not saying that Lost Planet, Saints row, weren't good games, I'm sure they are, but those aren't must have titles... or system selling titles... viva pinata... that game priced dropped quickly! But its a solid title, and the 360 has the best library of good games, right now, besides the ps2.
[quote name='JJSP']But after Resistance...what?
Gears Of War, Viva Pinata, Oblivion, Crackdown, Dead Rising, and Saint's Row are all solid 360 titles, and the only one that isn't exclusive at this point (Oblivion) is helped out immensely by Live's downloadable content.
I want the PS3 to do well. Competition is a good thing. Without it, developers get lazy and we end up with a lot of mediocre games. At this point though, it's hard to be excited about the PS3. Come holiday time, it's going to get interesting. The best of the best games for the 360 came out around 8-12 months after launch, and that puts us at Holiday '07 for Sony's box.[/QUOTE]
At this point, I would think you'd be more excited about the PS3, than any other time. All the games that were due for launch are finally starting to arrive. The ps3 has a typical launch library... (just enough variety to get you by.. .until the big hits some) and that's all it needs now. Uncharted, and Heavenly Sword, Rachet and Clank, Madden 08, NBA live, or 2k 08 are the games that the ps3 is relying on right now, I hope that they turnout good. I hope that, not just because I want the ps3 to do well, but because I just want to play some good ass games.
Gears Of War, Viva Pinata, Oblivion, Crackdown, Dead Rising, and Saint's Row are all solid 360 titles, and the only one that isn't exclusive at this point (Oblivion) is helped out immensely by Live's downloadable content.
I want the PS3 to do well. Competition is a good thing. Without it, developers get lazy and we end up with a lot of mediocre games. At this point though, it's hard to be excited about the PS3. Come holiday time, it's going to get interesting. The best of the best games for the 360 came out around 8-12 months after launch, and that puts us at Holiday '07 for Sony's box.[/QUOTE]
At this point, I would think you'd be more excited about the PS3, than any other time. All the games that were due for launch are finally starting to arrive. The ps3 has a typical launch library... (just enough variety to get you by.. .until the big hits some) and that's all it needs now. Uncharted, and Heavenly Sword, Rachet and Clank, Madden 08, NBA live, or 2k 08 are the games that the ps3 is relying on right now, I hope that they turnout good. I hope that, not just because I want the ps3 to do well, but because I just want to play some good ass games.
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Seriously, every freaking PS3 forum is like walking into a AA group. You all need moral support to justify your purchase. Sad really. You enjoy your PS3? Great. STFU and move along. Who the hell cares what the 360/Wii are doing if you are having FUN with your purchase?
As for the PS3 turning the corner, It's barely left the starting gate. If they have another weak Q4, Sony is in for a world of hurt. I hate to be brutal, but I'm being honest with you. Take the blinders off and see what things are really what they are.
Seeing how Q4 goes, I'll be getting mine probably Q2 '08
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Seriously, every freaking PS3 forum is like walking into a AA group. You all need moral support to justify your purchase. Sad really. You enjoy your PS3? Great. STFU and move along. Who the hell cares what the 360/Wii are doing if you are having FUN with your purchase?
As for the PS3 turning the corner, It's barely left the starting gate. If they have another weak Q4, Sony is in for a world of hurt. I hate to be brutal, but I'm being honest with you. Take the blinders off and see what things are really what they are.
Seeing how Q4 goes, I'll be getting mine probably Q2 '08
If Japan can't ever accept a Microsoft built console then I'll never be able to justify buying one. I want a console that can support smaller games like Suikoden, Shadow Hearts, Disgaea, or whatever. I also like Japanese horror games and Sony is already making another Siren game which will help bring in the japanese horror fans maybe. If FF13 stays exclusive to PS3 that should bring in quite a few JRPG series like Suikoden and Shin Megami Tensei hopefully.
Having MGS4 go multiplatform is nothing compared to what FF13 going to the 360 would do. A 360 version of FF13 would split up the fanbase in NA and smaller series like the ones I mentioned would have a more difficult time exclusive on the PS3. Putting those games on the Wii makes more sense at that point. If PS3 can snag Star Ocean 4 and a FF7 remake they would have it made as far as I'm concerned because the fanbase for games like Suikoden would be on the PS3.
Having MGS4 go multiplatform is nothing compared to what FF13 going to the 360 would do. A 360 version of FF13 would split up the fanbase in NA and smaller series like the ones I mentioned would have a more difficult time exclusive on the PS3. Putting those games on the Wii makes more sense at that point. If PS3 can snag Star Ocean 4 and a FF7 remake they would have it made as far as I'm concerned because the fanbase for games like Suikoden would be on the PS3.
I'm with you on that 0Lens, that was another reason i choose the PS3 over 360, b/c i'm more into anime styled RPGs. However, i believe the 360 is getting some interesting RPGs. Anyhow, in terms of Suikoden, SH, Disgaea etc, you'll have more luck with the PS3 than the 360.
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PS3 fans should have just kept playing PS2, the games are all better on there still.
Tomb Raider Anniversary is going to get more spins on PS3s than any of the rubbish out at the moment.
Enchanted Arms vs. a billion quality RPGs (and more coming) is hilarious.
PS3 is going to be awesome in 4 years, but let's face it, right now it is the weakest system out next to the Wii (which is hilarious because people believed Nintendo had changed, but it's even more devoid of software than the Gamecube was).
I was someone who was psyched for PS3 and Wii, but I am also not a dedicated fan of companies who just want my money, don't pledge loyalty to businesses. The 360 is currently the top system and that's sad, because I hate the thing.
Tomb Raider Anniversary is going to get more spins on PS3s than any of the rubbish out at the moment.
Enchanted Arms vs. a billion quality RPGs (and more coming) is hilarious.
PS3 is going to be awesome in 4 years, but let's face it, right now it is the weakest system out next to the Wii (which is hilarious because people believed Nintendo had changed, but it's even more devoid of software than the Gamecube was).
I was someone who was psyched for PS3 and Wii, but I am also not a dedicated fan of companies who just want my money, don't pledge loyalty to businesses. The 360 is currently the top system and that's sad, because I hate the thing.
[quote name='willardhaven']PS3 fans should have just kept playing PS2, the games are all better on there still.
Tomb Raider Anniversary is going to get more spins on PS3s than any of the rubbish out at the moment.
Enchanted Arms vs. a billion quality RPGs (and more coming) is hilarious.
PS3 is going to be awesome in 4 years, but let's face it, right now it is the weakest system out next to the Wii (which is hilarious because people believed Nintendo had changed, but it's even more devoid of software than the Gamecube was).
I was someone who was psyched for PS3 and Wii, but I am also not a dedicated fan of companies who just want my money, don't pledge loyalty to businesses. The 360 is currently the top system and that's sad, because I hate the thing.[/QUOTE]
Actually for those of us with HDTVs for a couple of years and those of us with 1080p sets the PS3 couldn't have come sooner. It was annoying last gen how the PS3 could manage 480p at best and occasionally wide screen. GT4's 1080i was a joke and pure BS. In fact one of the only games in HD in the last gen was Soul calibur 2 on the Xbox @ 720p but 4:3 aspect ratio. Xbox 360 + PS3 have both made me happy. As for PS2 games, maybe God of War 2... other than that.....
Tomb Raider Anniversary is going to get more spins on PS3s than any of the rubbish out at the moment.
Enchanted Arms vs. a billion quality RPGs (and more coming) is hilarious.
PS3 is going to be awesome in 4 years, but let's face it, right now it is the weakest system out next to the Wii (which is hilarious because people believed Nintendo had changed, but it's even more devoid of software than the Gamecube was).
I was someone who was psyched for PS3 and Wii, but I am also not a dedicated fan of companies who just want my money, don't pledge loyalty to businesses. The 360 is currently the top system and that's sad, because I hate the thing.[/QUOTE]
Actually for those of us with HDTVs for a couple of years and those of us with 1080p sets the PS3 couldn't have come sooner. It was annoying last gen how the PS3 could manage 480p at best and occasionally wide screen. GT4's 1080i was a joke and pure BS. In fact one of the only games in HD in the last gen was Soul calibur 2 on the Xbox @ 720p but 4:3 aspect ratio. Xbox 360 + PS3 have both made me happy. As for PS2 games, maybe God of War 2... other than that.....
I have a ton of PS2 games but unfortunately, almost all of them look terrible on my HDTV, even using component cables with my PS2. I'm hoping the next firm ware release on PS3 will make PS2 games look even better since upscaling of PS2 games was mentioned. But I am not sure if its enough to convince me to make the $600 plunge now. If they had this back at launch I would have purchase one on day one but know what I know now about future releases, I am on the fence about getting one. It would have been nice if they included DVD upscaling. An inclusion of DVD upscaling might be enough for me to warrant a purchase.
There really isn't much left for the PS2 at this point. You have Tomb Raider Anniversary (which you can get on other platforms too) and Wild Arms 5 is coming out soon but I can't think of much else that is significant. PS3 has 1st party games like Lair, Heavenly Sword, Folklore, Uncharted, Killzone 2, etc. coming soon. This year is already looking better for PS3 compared to the PS2 and next year most definetly with MGS4, FF13, FF13 Versus, Last Remnant, White Knight, and probably tons other stuff.
If someone is interested in Japanese games I think waiting for the Tokyo Gaming Show in September is the way to go. The platform for Star Ocean 4 is suppose to be revealed. I do think most JRPG series will follow Square if they keep putting the big name series on the PS3. Hopefully some more next-gen stuff is revealed, definetly looking forward to it.
If someone is interested in Japanese games I think waiting for the Tokyo Gaming Show in September is the way to go. The platform for Star Ocean 4 is suppose to be revealed. I do think most JRPG series will follow Square if they keep putting the big name series on the PS3. Hopefully some more next-gen stuff is revealed, definetly looking forward to it.
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Upcoming for the PS2:
Odin Sphere(out today), Atelier Iris 3, Grim Grimoire, Persona 3, Growlanser 5, and I imagine a few more.
What RPGs does the PS3 have for 2007?
Odin Sphere(out today), Atelier Iris 3, Grim Grimoire, Persona 3, Growlanser 5, and I imagine a few more.
What RPGs does the PS3 have for 2007?
I did forget the Atlus and NIS games, my mistake. PS3 has that I can think of Oblivion, Enchanted Arms, Golden Axe, Folklore, and rumor is Two Worlds as well. I am probably biased though because I'm looking forward to Oblivion, Enchanted Arms, and Folklore more so than what the PS2 is offering. Persona 3 and Wild Arms 5 could be good, the others I'm probably going to pass on though.
Uncharted and GTA4 (even though they aren't RPGs) are looking great as well. Yeah if you bought a PS3 at launch or shortly after there is a big drought, but launch consoles are usually like that. By the time I get one late in the year or early next year the games will have built up. The 2007 PS3 line up looks better than the 2007 PS2 line up IMO, 2006 PS2 line up I would say is better than 2007 PS3 though.
Uncharted and GTA4 (even though they aren't RPGs) are looking great as well. Yeah if you bought a PS3 at launch or shortly after there is a big drought, but launch consoles are usually like that. By the time I get one late in the year or early next year the games will have built up. The 2007 PS3 line up looks better than the 2007 PS2 line up IMO, 2006 PS2 line up I would say is better than 2007 PS3 though.
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[quote name='zerolens']...The platform for Star Ocean 4 is suppose to be revealed...[/quote]
Just watch it show up on the DS only.
As for all the RPGs showing on the PS2, that's pretty much why I'd rather get a PS3.
We don't see them now, but I'm sure the PS3 is where all the J-RPGs will show up. The PS2 didn't have any worth mentioning until a good while after the system was out.
Just watch it show up on the DS only.
As for all the RPGs showing on the PS2, that's pretty much why I'd rather get a PS3.
We don't see them now, but I'm sure the PS3 is where all the J-RPGs will show up. The PS2 didn't have any worth mentioning until a good while after the system was out.
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A lot of RPGs, like those published by Atlus and NIS, are low dev cost, low power, niche products that are best on high marketshare systems. How exactly do you see those titles migrating from PS2 to PS3?
NIS is on record stating that they refuse to move from 2D to 3D, regardless of what the industry does. We'll see how Sony likes low res 2D sprites on the PS3
NIS is on record stating that they refuse to move from 2D to 3D, regardless of what the industry does. We'll see how Sony likes low res 2D sprites on the PS3
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']A lot of RPGs, like those published by Atlus and NIS, are low dev cost, low power, niche products that are best on high marketshare systems. How exactly do you see those titles migrating from PS2 to PS3?
NIS is on record stating that they refuse to move from 2D to 3D, regardless of what the industry does. We'll see how Sony likes low res 2D sprites on the PS3[/quote]
Don't call Odin's Sphere an RPG. Give it some weird fusion name or something.
Sony will probably like them as fine as the low res 2D games on PSN, or the high res 2D games coming soon from Capcom.
Which is good, I need 2D gaming too. But now with high res sprites, get those artists crackin'!
NIS is on record stating that they refuse to move from 2D to 3D, regardless of what the industry does. We'll see how Sony likes low res 2D sprites on the PS3[/quote]
Don't call Odin's Sphere an RPG. Give it some weird fusion name or something.
Sony will probably like them as fine as the low res 2D games on PSN, or the high res 2D games coming soon from Capcom.
Which is good, I need 2D gaming too. But now with high res sprites, get those artists crackin'!
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']A lot of RPGs, like those published by Atlus and NIS, are low dev cost, low power, niche products that are best on high marketshare systems. How exactly do you see those titles migrating from PS2 to PS3?
NIS is on record stating that they refuse to move from 2D to 3D, regardless of what the industry does. We'll see how Sony likes low res 2D sprites on the PS3[/QUOTE]
NIS had announced Makai Wars for the PS3. It's been awhile since they did that so maybe plans have changed, but I don't know of any Wii titles from them so for now their support is with Sony as far as we can see on the surface. DS is doing better than the PSP but I think NIS has still been doing PSP games right? Not sure if they have good relations with Sony or what but they still seem to be supporting Playstation. A gaming magazine (can't remember which one) had a rumor that Disgaea was being made for PS3. Supposedly they have a decent track record on their rumors from what I understand so it may be true, I don't know.
Atlus has said they are doing the Shin Megami Tensei series on both PS3 and Wii. Things may have changed between then and now but like Makai Wars from what we can tell both companies still support Playstation.
TGS in September ought to be a decent indicator on where these platforms are going assuming companies are willing to give out some news. Konami supposedly has an RPG being made for both PS3 and Wii, what they will be should be interesting and how Konami plans to support each console. And again Star Ocean 4 is up in the air, assuming it doesn't go to a handheld it will be a pretty major addition to the console that gets it.
NIS is on record stating that they refuse to move from 2D to 3D, regardless of what the industry does. We'll see how Sony likes low res 2D sprites on the PS3[/QUOTE]
NIS had announced Makai Wars for the PS3. It's been awhile since they did that so maybe plans have changed, but I don't know of any Wii titles from them so for now their support is with Sony as far as we can see on the surface. DS is doing better than the PSP but I think NIS has still been doing PSP games right? Not sure if they have good relations with Sony or what but they still seem to be supporting Playstation. A gaming magazine (can't remember which one) had a rumor that Disgaea was being made for PS3. Supposedly they have a decent track record on their rumors from what I understand so it may be true, I don't know.
Atlus has said they are doing the Shin Megami Tensei series on both PS3 and Wii. Things may have changed between then and now but like Makai Wars from what we can tell both companies still support Playstation.
TGS in September ought to be a decent indicator on where these platforms are going assuming companies are willing to give out some news. Konami supposedly has an RPG being made for both PS3 and Wii, what they will be should be interesting and how Konami plans to support each console. And again Star Ocean 4 is up in the air, assuming it doesn't go to a handheld it will be a pretty major addition to the console that gets it.
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