Is this listing racist

[quote name='rickshankshaw']The world doesn't work in accordance to your personal experience of life. I'll let the numbers do the talking.

http://nces.ed.gov/FastFacts/display.asp?id=16

This is what I'm going to say and that's the last of it.

Having seen uneducated ignorance first-hand, whether it be from whites who didn't finish school, blacks who didn't finish school, hispanics who didn't finish school, or the uneducated masses of third-world countries who never even started school (which I've visited and seen first hand), the lack of education is the key issue when it comes to racism and insensitivity. For me, the personal issue of racism is accountability. Who is accountable for racism? I don't hold uneducated people accountable because it would be the same trying to hold a dog accountable for eating their shit. It just doesn't work.

However who I do hold accountable are the people who should know better. More whites finish high school than blacks or hispanics. This is indisputable no matter how much it may leave a bad taste in your mouth. It's reality. Hence whites should know better than to be racially insensitive and for the most part they do know better. They know well enough not to drop the n-bomb around a company of blacks lest they have their asses beaten to a bloody pulp. Again. This is reality. Is violence all right? Not at all. But again. This reality. However with the advent of the internet, people hide behind their psuedo names, people who know better choose not to act on that knowledge.

Hence I shit on them.[/QUOTE]

Wow, rickshankshaw. I thought I had gotten a grasp on your personal beliefs and had found a way to accept them as an individual's right to buy into any ideology they'd like. But you've just managed to eloquently (you don't show a lack of education...which I think almost makes it more frightening) explain why it's more acceptable for blacks and hispanics to be racist than it is for white people.

Allegedly, since whites are simply "more educated", they're just supposed to "know better"? And everyone else gets a pass? I understand your line of thinking, but Jesus Christ, is it twisted! But here's the paradox...if you're writing blacks and hispanics off as typically not being educated enough to know that their thoughts are racist...is that not a racist thought in and of itself???

You inadvertently state that uneducated blacks and hispanics are essentially no better than dogs who eat their own shit. Do you hear yourself, man??? I think MANY blacks and hispanics would take issue with that statement, and most certainly know better than to discriminate based on the color of one's skin. Based on your theory, I should know better than to go around a group of blacks and use the n-word, but it would be perfectly acceptable for me to tell them that I'm smarter than them because my race determined it to be that way? Are you off your nut?

You can quote all the statistics you'd like, but if the majority of people tell you the sky is green, that doesn't mean it's right. Hide behind those numbers all you want, but a wrong thought is a wrong thought. Your claim is simply that the uneducated don't know any better. Does that mean you don't believe in the concept of a conscience as well?
 
[quote name='rickshankshaw']Because white people think that saying racially insensitive stuff is funny.[/QUOTE]

Im not going to pretend to be more than I really am on the web..Im going to be blisfully ignorant with my thoughts and feelings and be completely happy with said thoughts and feelings.

So..with that being said.....

Your reply to me had nothing to do with why I thought that. Ill explain........

Not too long ago in Austin Tx....The east side of Austin is well known to be the "minority side" of town. In all reality, a white person on that side of town would be the minority.

A white family living in east Austin had a brick thrown through the window of their house. Attatched to that brick was a note, and while I dont recall EXACTLY was the note was reported saying, the basic idea was "keep east Austin black".

They arent looking into this "crime" as a hate crime. Granted, we dont know the race of the person that actually threw the brick.

Now. You let a black family move into a mainly white area of any town in the US. Let a brick get thrown through their window with the message stating "Keep XYZ area white"....That would be a hate crime.

So I stand by what I said earlier in that "its only racist if its a white saying/doing it".


*stopped being lazy and googled*
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/2009/07/25/0725brick.html
 
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[quote name='Ender']*slowly backs out of the thread*[/QUOTE]

I'm with you.

Yes, the listing is a bit racist. One, if it was intended toward spanish speaking people, shouldn't it be in spanish?
 
[quote name='Will']Its only racist when white people make remarks like that...never the minority.[/QUOTE]

This is true.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Wow, rickshankshaw. I thought I had gotten a grasp on your personal beliefs and had found a way to accept them as an individual's right to buy into any ideology they'd like. But you've just managed to eloquently (you don't show a lack of education...which I think almost makes it more frightening) explain why it's more acceptable for blacks and hispanics to be racist than it is for white people. [/QUOTE]

I also included uneducated whites. The common theme was the fact regarding people lacking education, not people of color. The fact that you took whites out of what I said shows that you're just trying to make me look bad and malign me instead of having an intelligent conversation. It's quite obvious this more about me and you (and the fact that you've got an idiotic vendetta against me) than it is about the subject matter at hand.

Allegedly, since whites are simply "more educated", they're just supposed to "know better"? And everyone else gets a pass? I understand your line of thinking, but Jesus Christ, is it twisted! But here's the paradox...if you're writing blacks and hispanics off as typically not being educated enough to know that their thoughts are racist...is that not a racist thought in and of itself???
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Again. I included all the groups when I made my post. Why did you take out the uneducated whites? Why would you do that? Answer that honestly too.

In fact you are so dumb, you weren't able to see that the underlying theme of my statement was NOT race, it was education. What? Did you want me to copy and paste every race when I say that? Well lets try. Uneducated
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_ethnic_groups
are no more accountable for their stupidity than dogs eating their own shit. At least when it comes to stupid shit they spew.

It's no different in a court of law. What's supposed to happen is that when a guy kills someone and they're not aware of their actions, typically they're supposed to be let off the hook. The "insanity defense" if you will. These people are so stupid that there is no point in telling them that they're being racist jerks. Doing so will land you a brick through the window.

You inadvertently state that uneducated blacks and hispanics are essentially no better than dogs who eat their own shit. Do you hear yourself, man??? I think MANY blacks and hispanics would take issue with that statement, and most certainly know better than to discriminate based on the color of one's skin. Based on your theory, I should know better than to go around a group of blacks and use the n-word, but it would be perfectly acceptable for me to tell them that I'm smarter than them because my race determined it to be that way? Are you off your nut?

You can quote all the statistics you'd like, but if the majority of people tell you the sky is green, that doesn't mean it's right. Hide behind those numbers all you want, but a wrong thought is a wrong thought. Your claim is simply that the uneducated don't know any better. Does that mean you don't believe in the concept of a conscience as well?
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You're a moron. I live in reality. If you don't want to look at the real world numbers, you've got no credibility. Shut up. The sky is blue. The world is round. The sun is hot. And people who drop out of high school are a detriment to society.
 
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[quote name='Will']Im not going to pretend to be more than I really am on the web..Im going to be blisfully ignorant with my thoughts and feelings and be completely happy with said thoughts and feelings.

So..with that being said.....

Your reply to me had nothing to do with why I thought that. Ill explain........

Not too long ago in Austin Tx....The east side of Austin is well known to be the "minority side" of town. In all reality, a white person on that side of town would be the minority.

A white family living in east Austin had a brick thrown through the window of their house. Attatched to that brick was a note, and while I dont recall EXACTLY was the note was reported saying, the basic idea was "keep east Austin black".

They arent looking into this "crime" as a hate crime. Granted, we dont know the race of the person that actually threw the brick.

Now. You let a black family move into a mainly white area of any town in the US. Let a brick get thrown through their window with the message stating "Keep XYZ area white"....That would be a hate crime.

So I stand by what I said earlier in that "its only racist if its a white saying/doing it".


*stopped being lazy and googled*
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/2009/07/25/0725brick.html[/QUOTE]

Since you're being rational, I'll be rational with you. The article basically supports what I've been saying all along about education. Now keep in mind I'm not trying to say this was okay, because it's not.

Frische was featured in a Statesman Watch article in May in which she lobbied for action to be taken on a charred house that neighbors said had been a gathering place for drug dealers, prostitutes and squatters.
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However the important thing isn't whether the woman was white. It was whether this would have happened regardless of color. If she was black and she was still lobbying for action against drug dealers, would someone potentially still have thrown a brick through her window? If this was the motivation behind the thrown brick, the woman is completely in the right and she should double her efforts and to that effect, this wasn't a matter of race. It was a matter of uneducated criminals trying to intimidate a woman who was trying to better her criminal.

African American and Latino residents had been in the majority since the 1920s and '30s — a trend that is starting to change. Now, some of their descendants are selling their properties to a new wave of affluent investors and would-be residents. Property taxes have doubled, tripled or more since 2000, according to Travis Central Appraisal District records.
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On the other hand, minorities could feel that the woman represented something that was trying to push them out of their homes. Again this does not make it okay, and I'm not trying to make it okay, but discussing why it happens is more important than finger-pointing. If someone threw a brick through my window, I'd want them charged no matter what.

Either way, it's not like no charges were levied against the criminal who threw the brick. It simply wasn't classified as a hate crime.

Lastly. Here is something I picked up from the comments.

Yea White Pride and Power! What is wrong with being PROUD of being WHITE? NOTHING! But the media and jews dont like it. All other races can have PRIDE but the WHITES CANT! That is whats wrong with this country. Why are we the only people (race) that is NOT able to show pride for who they are? And CHRISTIAN YES VERY MUCH read the bible some day and you will see that it is PRO-WHITE. If you need references send e-mail to me at [email protected] and I will send you references to the King James bible that show it. HAVE PRIDE WHITE AMERICA for who you are and NEVER BACK DOWN FROM THIS JEWISH RUN LAND. We will be here and will fight to defend our racial brothers and sisters.
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How do you tell someone like this they're being racist?
 
[quote name='rickshankshaw']Hispanic and black populations are known for their dropping out of school. Hence they're somewhat known to be ignorant and uneducated. Hence it's harder to hold stupid people accountable for being stupid. It's just the nature of individuals and groups who don't complete their education.

However white people are usually known to frequent colleges more than minorities. Hence they should know better. Instead they let their friends get drunk and pass out and stick carrots up each other's asses. Don't remember if it was Chappelle or Rock who pointed that out.[/QUOTE]

Now you can't even keep up with your bullshit, I see. You've already made numerous generalizations about each race. No shit that uneducated people of any race are going to be less enlightened. But you've gone out of your way to show (with your fancy charts and expensive books) that there is a far greater percentage of uneducated black and hispanic people than there are whites.

Therefore, if one were to look at your most recent statement, and combine it with things you've already said (wow...imagine that! Assuming that your "beliefs" remain consistent), it shows that in general, you believe it's more acceptable for blacks and hispanics to have racist thoughts. Try to weasel out of it any way you want, but you fucking said it. And try to brush it off as my "personal vendetta" against you, but you're full of shit, and I'm calling you on it.

And just to humor you, I took "uneducated whites" out of the equation because you told me to. Based on your quote above, the parameters you gave were that blacks and hispanics were GENERALLY uneducated (we're dealing with numbers remember...no fantasy world. Real numbers) and therefore couldn't be held accountable. And whites GENERALLY went to college and are thought to be educated, so they should know better. I was just using the numbers you gave me, man.

And judging by the fact that you're personally attacking me and calling me names now, I can see I'm getting to you. The chinks in the armor are showing, rickshankshaw.
 
[quote name='rickshankshaw'] thinking socialism, fascism, and communism are the same thing because they end with the word "ism"[/QUOTE]Fact: Fascism and Communism are both forms of Socialism. That has nothing to do with the "-ism" (which isn't a word, by the way).
 
[quote name='iHaVEnOmMrS']I'm with you.

Yes, the listing is a bit racist. One, if it was intended toward spanish speaking people, shouldn't it be in spanish?[/QUOTE]

I choose to continue lurking.
 
[quote name='Gentlegamer']Fact: Fascism and Communism are both forms of Socialism. That has nothing to do with the "-ism" (which isn't a word, by the way).[/QUOTE]

Off topic, but that doesn't even make sense. For one, fascism is a political system, whereas socialism is an economic system, but the ideals behind socialism and fascism are at odds - fascism is a very authoritarian, social darwinist kind of philosophy - survival of the fittest. And fascism goes with an economic system that is kind of capitalist, but authoritarian, so not free market capitalism, but not socialism either.

Socialism is an egalitarian type of economic system based on equal distributions of wealth and group ownership of property. That kind of economic philosophy isn't compatible with fascism, though it doesn't preclude it from existing under a dictatorship. Fascists are opposed to socialists, communists, and free market capitalists because they aren't authoritarian enough.

You can kind of think of fascism as extreme authoritarianism, not necessarily tied to either capitalism or socialism as an economic system, but something that sort of takes the worst aspects of both economic systems and mashes them together.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Now you can't even keep up with your bullshit, I see. You've already made numerous generalizations about each race. No shit that uneducated people of any race are going to be less enlightened. But you've gone out of your way to show (with your fancy charts and expensive books) that there is a far greater percentage of uneducated black and hispanic people than there are whites.[/quote]

[quote name='rickshankshaw']Having seen uneducated ignorance first-hand, whether it be from whites who didn't finish school, blacks who didn't finish school, hispanics who didn't finish school, or the uneducated masses of third-world countries who never even started school (which I've visited and seen first hand), the lack of education is the key issue when it comes to racism and insensitivity.[/quote]

I have kept up with my own bullshit. As I said, I included whites. The above quote is from something you quoted yourself, so the one who can't keep up is you. Pathetic.

Therefore, if one were to look at your most recent statement, and combine it with things you've already said (wow...imagine that! Assuming that your "beliefs" remain consistent), it shows that in general, you believe it's more acceptable for blacks and hispanics to have racist thoughts. Try to weasel out of it any way you want, but you fucking said it. And try to brush it off as my "personal vendetta" against you, but you're full of shit, and I'm calling you on it.
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I never said it's acceptable for blacks and hispanics to have racists thoughts. I said it's harder to hold them accountable. Thin line. Big difference. Yes. You have a personal vendetta against me. I don't mind being called out. But when you have to lie to do it? Pathetic.

And just to humor you, I took "uneducated whites" out of the equation because you told me to. Based on your quote above, the parameters you gave were that blacks and hispanics were GENERALLY uneducated (we're dealing with numbers remember...no fantasy world. Real numbers) and therefore couldn't be held accountable. And whites GENERALLY went to college and are thought to be educated, so they should know better. I was just using the numbers you gave me, man.
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So you DID take out what out said just to misconstrue what I said in order to get a point on me? You admit it? Pathetic.

And judging by the fact that you're personally attacking me and calling me names now, I can see I'm getting to you. The chinks in the armor are showing, rickshankshaw.
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Just because I'm calling you names means I'm wrong? Pathetic. Newsflash. Name-calling and being in the right aren't mutually exclusive things. You can call someone an idiot and be right about it. And I'm definitely right about you.

Pathetic. You are so pathetic. At least I don't need to lie in order to hold a discussion. It's clear that you'e still got a stick up your ass from your last poorly thought out thread. You've just been waiting until I could say something politically incorrect so you could jump out of the bushes like a rapist to try and catch me in a A-HA moment. You know what that is? I'll give you a hint. It's the word of the post.

It's pathetic.
 
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[quote name='rickshankshaw']etc etc etc[/QUOTE]

And what I posted explains why I feel the way I do. Im not arguing any other point.
 
[quote name='SpazX']Off topic, but that doesn't even make sense. For one, fascism is a political system, whereas socialism is an economic system, but the ideals behind socialism and fascism are at odds - fascism is a very authoritarian, social darwinist kind of philosophy - survival of the fittest. And fascism goes with an economic system that is kind of capitalist, but authoritarian, so not free market capitalism, but not socialism either.

Socialism is an egalitarian type of economic system based on equal distributions of wealth and group ownership of property. That kind of economic philosophy isn't compatible with fascism, though it doesn't preclude it from existing under a dictatorship. Fascists are opposed to socialists, communists, and free market capitalists because they aren't authoritarian enough.

You can kind of think of fascism as extreme authoritarianism, not necessarily tied to either capitalism or socialism as an economic system, but something that sort of takes the worst aspects of both economic systems and mashes them together.[/QUOTE]Socialism is a political system/ideology that assumes there is no difference between the government and society itself (in all sorts of social, economic, religious, etc. ways). From that comes differing executions of this ideology, and among that continuum of applications is both fascism and communism. The end result of all socialist ideology is totalitarian government.
 
[quote name='Gentlegamer']Socialism is a political system/ideology that assumes there is no difference between the government and society itself (in all sorts of social, economic, religious, etc. ways). From that comes differing executions of this ideology, and among that continuum of applications is both fascism and communism. The end result of all socialist ideology is totalitarian government.[/QUOTE]

You're apparently using some odd definitions of fascism, socialism, and communism. I would suggest the wikis for better information.

The definitions for all of them obviously aren't that concrete, being social constructs, but defining fascism as a subset of socialism ignores the distinctions between fascist and socialist (and communist) ideology. There are some overlaps, most notably in the area of the state having control over the economy, but there are also differences in things such as their treatments of social class.
 
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