it continues: Manhunt 2 given AO rating in the U.S.

[quote name='MarioColbert']I think you should do some research. Nintendo Publishing Policy explicitly prohibits AO games on the system. In other words, NO AO MANHUNT ON THE WII.

AO is a sentiment of "extreme offense" that should be marketed to a very small group of "special interest" persons (very much like legal pornography). I will not argue for or against the AO rating - it is completely up to ESRB. While many may argue that it is "cencorship via economic sanction," it is a perfectly legitimate affair because that's the service ESRB is intended to serve.

The game's contents and the extent of violence expressed within are unknown at the time, and I do not believe that anyone can judge ESRB. I will say, however, that I'd much rather have ESRB rating versus a government regulated ban. Once again this is a reminder why we should embrace and support ESRB and not trust any federal regulation regarding rating and regulation on video games. Free enterprise and market economy regarding interested parties obviously takes care of this well on its own.[/QUOTE]

Why should we embrace the ESRB when they have clearly pandered to the same politicians and watchdog groups that are trying to censor videogames and continue to do so?

The ESRB is actually hurting the videogame industry it was created to protect by fostering the idea that videogames shouldn't be too violent or have any type of sex because of the kiddies. They should be working to advance the perception that the industry isn't just for kids anymore instead of banning any game that goes against that idea.

How long do we have to wait before games like Manhunt 2 are finally treated like all the sex filled, gore fest movies and given the appropriate rating (17+), instead of a ban?
 
The idea is that the ESRB does a slightly more reasonable job than a government agency would do. So its lesser of two evils. Until the government can be more reasonable, we'll have to have this intermediary to quell it, even at a cost.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Why should we embrace the ESRB when they have clearly pandered to the same politicians and watchdog groups that are trying to censor videogames and continue to do so?

The ESRB is actually hurting the videogame industry it was created to protect by fostering the idea that videogames shouldn't be too violent or have any type of sex because of the kiddies. They should be working to advance the perception that the industry isn't just for kids anymore instead of banning any game that goes against that idea.

How long do we have to wait before games like Manhunt 2 are finally treated like all the sex filled, gore fest movies and given the appropriate rating (17+), instead of a ban?[/QUOTE]

Well, think of it this way; the ESRB are our only line of defense from the crazy soccer moms, retarded politicians and just general bigots that feel the need to shap the world into their narrow-minded image. So what would you rather have; the ESRB or complete censorship (and destruction) of the VG industry?

As for this whole ordeal, I really want to know exactly what warrented giving a game a AO rating, essentially the equivilent of an NC-17. If it's the fact that you rip balls off, well then that's complete and utter bullshit compared to Hostel II where (BIG SPOILER)
They clearly show a man get fully castrated, followed by the man's genitals getting eaten by a dog a dog (very clearly and realistic)
and yet it only got an R rating.
 
Ugh. I call shenanigans. I seriously wouldn't put it past Take Two's smarmy little PR department to have orchestrated this whole thing, intentionally submitting footage that they knew for sure would get stamped AO, but didn't necessarily intent to include in the game anyways, just to get the press on the story (no press coverage is bad press coverage), only to later claim that they made "the minimal necessary cuts" to achieve an M rating, when that's what they had in mind all along. Bullshit, seriously.


[quote name='Scrubking']Why should we embrace the ESRB when they have clearly pandered to the same politicians and watchdog groups that are trying to censor videogames and continue to do so?[/quote]
What is the ESRB pandering to, exactly? They're rating games, nothing more.

[quote name='Scrubking']The ESRB is actually hurting the videogame industry it was created to protect by fostering the idea that videogames shouldn't be too violent or have any type of sex because of the kiddies. They should be working to advance the perception that the industry isn't just for kids anymore instead of banning any game that goes against that idea.[/quote]
Okay, that's some straight-up bullshit right there. The ESRB rates games. They don't say what should be in games and what shouldn't be in games. They just rate games based on what's in them, and guess what? Manhunt 2 just happened to (supposidly) fall under it's AO category. Why should they be "working to advance the perception that the industry isn't just for kids anymore"? If you weren't stupid, you'd know that that's the ESA's job, not the ESRB. As their name CLEARLY states, they're the Entertainment Software Ratings Board, not the Videogame Public Relations Committee. That job belongs to the ESA. And lastly, the ESRB doesn't ban anything!! No one does! They age rate games, for crying out loud! This stupid word people use, "ban," ugh...I think you mean to say "certain stores won't carry," right? That's very different from a "ban." Again, if you weren't totally ignorant, you'd know what the ESRB and it's responsibilities really are, but you don't, so stop mucking up this discussion.

[quote name='Scrubking']How long do we have to wait before games like Manhunt 2 are finally treated like all the sex filled, gore fest movies and given the appropriate rating (17+), instead of a ban?[/QUOTE]
Uh, they're treated the exact same. MPAA R = ESRB M. Each requires that the person buying the item/admission be at least 17 or accompanied by a guardian/adult. Where ths fuck is this shit about banning that you keep babbling about? Again, neither the ESRB or anyone else ban anything, not in the US anyways.
 
[email protected]

Patricia Vance

I believe this is the woman at the ESRB who got the title rated AO. As mature gamers, please write to her in a respectful manner and ask her to stand up for mature gamers and not censorship. I'm not 100% sure that the e-mail will work, but the message I sent her hasn't bounced back yet so I'm assuming it works. Let her know your stance and please for god's sake, be mature about it.

Please do the right thing and give Manhunt 2 an M rating. Hostel, Saw, and various other films never received the dreaded NC-17 rating so I don't understand why Manhunt 2 has to go through this indignation.

Prove to the people who are this industry's livelihood why you stand up for them and not the special interest groups whose only goal in life is a hypocritical 'think of the children!' mentality. If they were doing their jobs as parents, Manhunt 2 would never end up in their hands to begin with and Ms. Vance, you know this to be true.

Please all you're doing is punishing the adult gamers this title was aimed for by essentially having the game blacklisted from the market and it's pretty much a backhanded manner of censorship. Please don't do this.

Thank you and take care.

Zen Davis
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[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Stupid shit.[/QUOTE]

1. An AO rating is a BAN. No one will sell it and no console company will publish it. IE it's a ban.

2. Hot Coffee came about because the ESRB decided to pander to all the politicians crying murder at GTA:SA. They caved and re-rated the game for bullshit reasons ie because the politicians wanted them to.

3. Since Hot Coffee they have bent to the will of said politicians and watchdog groups tightening their ratings and even going as far as rating inaccesible content on game discs

4. The ESRB does more than rate games. They are there to voluntarily give peace of mind to the public and give the perception that the industry is responsible via the ratings they give.
 
I'm sending this:

Deer Patricia,

That is a stoopid name. Who would be mean enough to name their ugly child Patricia? You're parents, that's who.

Stop being a dumb dumb about that one game that got an AO rating. It makin people feel sad and turn Emo.

I'd appreciate if you being a dumbass.

THANX
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Ugh. I call shenanigans. I seriously wouldn't put it past Take Two's smarmy little PR department to have orchestrated this whole thing, intentionally submitting footage that they knew for sure would get stamped AO, but didn't necessarily intent to include in the game anyways, just to get the press on the story (no press coverage is bad press coverage), only to later claim that they made "the minimal necessary cuts" to achieve an M rating, when that's what they had in mind all along. Bullshit, seriously.
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Doubtful, though possible. It is not as easy to do this sort of thing as one would suspect. Games aren't like books, where you search for a bad sentence and nuke it. Granted, could have been a texture of NUTS that could have been removed.

To the conspiracy enthusiasts, it should be noted that according to Patricia Vance the game publisher knew about this rating 30 days ago, and could have changed things.

Where ths fuck is this shit about banning that you keep babbling about? Again, neither the ESRB or anyone else ban anything, not in the US anyways.
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If you're going to tell someone else that they are "mucking up the discussion" at the very least you can bother yourself with READING THE CONTENTS OF THIS THREAD.

[quote name='whoknows']I'd appreciate if you being a dumbass. [/quote]

Well said, dumbass.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis'][email protected]

Patricia Vance

I believe this is the woman at the ESRB who got the title rated AO. As mature gamers, please write to her in a respectful manner and ask her to stand up for mature gamers and not censorship. I'm not 100% sure that the e-mail will work, but the message I sent her hasn't bounced back yet so I'm assuming it works. Let her know your stance and please for god's sake, be mature about it.

[/QUOTE]

Just emailed her. More people should do the same.
 
I do hope the ESRB doesn't become a scurge to videogaming like the MPAA has to film.


In other news: I'll definitely be playing Manhunt 2 now.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Just emailed her. More people should do the same.[/quote]

And say what?

Dear Patricia:

I haven't played Manhunt 2, but after reading some things on the internet about it, I bet it can't possibly be that bad. Granted, I know dick from shit about the content of the game, and I have not the slightest clue as to what the fuck I am talking about. I do know, however, that by emailing you I feel like I'm finally sticking it up to the man and to the ESRB, who ruin the good name of family-friendly cop-killing ball-yanking video game industry as we know it. We all know that when we say "rate games" we really mean "M" would suffice for everything violent and offensive.

Please ignore the detailed document on your desk outlining the ESRB rating policy about why Manhunt 2 should be rated AO. Just re-rate it as M for Mature, because that would be a very MATURE thing to do. (LOL!) Rockstar and I would really appreciate not messing up with my chances to play this totally awesome title.

Looking forward to MATURE ball-yanking by Christmas,


MarioColbert.

[quote name='PyroGamer']I'll definitely be playing Manhunt 2 now.[/quote]

Not on a Wii you're not.
 
[quote name='MarioColbert']And say what?

Dear Patricia:

I haven't played Manhunt 2, but after reading some things on the internet about it, I bet it can't possibly be that bad. Granted, I know dick from shit about the content of the game, and I have not the slightest clue as to what the fuck I am talking about. I do know, however, that by emailing you I feel like I'm finally sticking it up to the man and to the ESRB, who ruin the good name of family-friendly cop-killing ball-yanking video game industry as we know it. We all know that when we say "rate games" we really mean "M" would suffice for everything violent and offensive.

Please ignore the detailed document on your desk outlining the ESRB rating policy about why Manhunt 2 should be rated AO. Just re-rate it as M for Mature, because that would be a very MATURE thing to do. (LOL!) Rockstar and I would really appreciate not messing up with my chances to play this totally awesome title.

Looking forward to MATURE ball-yanking by Christmas,


MarioColbert.



Not on a Wii you're not.[/quote]

brilliant
 
[quote name='MarioColbert']And say what?[/QUOTE]

I am very disappointed that Manhunt 2 received an AO rating from the ESRB effectively banning the game from the public. I am well aware that the ESRB needs to protect the videogame industry in a time when videogames are misunderstood and demonized, but at the same time I can't see the industry's perception growing beyond the "kiddie" image if the ESRB continues to ban content that is readily available to 17-year-olds (M-rating equivelent), in movie theatres and video stores. If the MPAA can accept large amounts of nudity, sex and graphic violence in R rated movies (Hostel, Hostel 2), why can't videogames achieve the same standard?

I'm sure you will agree that videogames are not just for kids anymore so why does the ESRB continue to punish some types of adult content? The ESRB should be at the forefront of these so-called videogame controversies demanding that their ratings hold the same weight and respect as other forms of media (MPAA), instead of willingly holding back the progression of artistic freedom and evolution in the videogame industry.

I can only hope that you will see the harm that such censorship is causing the industry that I love, and will reconsider your positions on sex and violence in M rated games.
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[quote name='Monsta Mack']AO is fine with me but since Nintendo won't allow AO games I'm worried about my pre-ordered Wii version :([/QUOTE]
Uh, Sony doesn't allow AO games either, genius. Nor does Microsoft, and the only PC publishers that will touch it are companies that localize Japanese hentai games.

[quote name='Scrubking']1. An AO rating is a BAN. No one will sell it and no console company will publish it. IE it's a ban.[/QUOTE]
No, an AO rating is not a ban. It's something that very few stores will choose to sell. You might call that blacklisting, but it's NOT a ban.

[quote name='MarioColbert']Doubtful, though possible. It is not as easy to do this sort of thing as one would suspect. Games aren't like books, where you search for a bad sentence and nuke it. Granted, could have been a texture of NUTS that could have been removed.

To the conspiracy enthusiasts, it should be noted that according to Patricia Vance the game publisher knew about this rating 30 days ago, and could have changed things.[/QUOTE]
Well, I'm one of the conspiracy enthusiasts who also believes that Hot Coffee was done on purpose, and that the entire Janet Jackson Superbowl/Tits thing was a publicity stunt. Again, any press is good press.
 
I had absolutely no interest in this game before today, but if they actually have the guts to publish it with an AO rating, I'll buy it at launch just to support them.

The ESRB made a pretty big statement today by giving Manhunt 2 an AO rating. Take-Two could make an even bigger statement by accepting the rating and publishing it anyway.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']The ESRB made a pretty big statement today by giving Manhunt 2 an AO rating. Take-Two could make an even bigger statement by accepting the rating and publishing it anyway.[/QUOTE]

I agree. I think we could be on the verge of seeing some major changes in the gaming industry.
 
And say what?
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Dear patricia,

Please stop enforcing standards that no other form of media entertain you stupid bitch. If Hostel 1 and 2 can be rated 17+ why can't Manhunt 2? There are too many stupid gamers who refuse to see such a simple thing, but I hope that you will be different. So stop keeping videogames in the dark ages and get with the times.

Sincerely,
 
I've seen it suggested elsewhere that Rockstar should put out a M version for stores, but sell an AO version online somewhere, with bonus content to boot. Seems like a decent idea to me. Work towards breaking the control retailers have on content a little.
 
They should make an M version, but then sell the AO content for $15 as a download.
 
[quote name='Apossum']They should make an M version, but then sell the AO content for $15 as a download.[/QUOTE]Why? If they were to allow a choice between versions why skew it in favor of one over the other? It could be a good experiment on whether games still need retail, but not if there's a premium cost attached to one or the other.
 
[quote name='jmcc']Why? If they were to allow a choice between versions why skew it in favor of one over the other? It could be a good experiment on whether games still need retail, but not if there's a premium cost attached to one or the other.[/QUOTE]


why not? everybody's doing it. hey, it's not a premium, it's "extra content."
you can't fault them for that. they'd be going the extra mile by giving us a kick ass offer to pay for the rest of the game at no discount.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Dear patricia,

Please stop enforcing standards that no other form of media entertain you stupid bitch. If Hostel 1 and 2 can be rated 17+ why can't Manhunt 2? There are too many stupid gamers who refuse to see such a simple thing, but I hope that you will be different. So stop keeping videogames in the dark ages and get with the times.

Sincerely,[/QUOTE]

There's a huge difference between games and movies. Games are a form of interactive media (you are the one castrating that guy, or you are the one pulling someone’s teeth out) as compared to movies which are a passive/flaccid experience (the viewer watches someone else do these things). The ratings epitomize these differences.

I agree with you that censorship directly violates our constitutional rights but you have to view the issue from their perspective.
 
[quote name='kill3r7']There's a huge difference between games and movies. Games are a form of interactive media (you are the one castrating that guy, or you are the one pulling someone’s teeth out) as compared to movies which are a passive/flaccid experience (the viewer watches someone else do these things). The ratings epitomize these differences.

I agree with you that censorship directly violates our constitutional rights but you have to view the issue from their perspective.[/QUOTE]


So a soldier shooting a Nazi on a big screen is rated PG, but if I press the X button it should be rated M? I agree that there is a difference, but not one that should give harsher ratings.
 
[quote name='dragonreborn23']Hrmm... my mind might be changing a bit when it comes to violent games. At least where the Wii is concerned. You know that retail outlets aren't gonna follow the 'M' rated rules about not selling to minors so censorship might be the only option. I've been thinking about this ever since that politician mentioned being able to do the actual arm and hand movements of slitting someone's throat with the Wii controls. [/QUOTE]

Yes, exactly. It's up to retail outlets and the government to regulate what children of today are subjected to. If only there were some other entity involved...perhaps some sort of 'parental' supervision to regulate what games children play, rather than letting the government create censorship that bans content they deem unacceptable, preventing everyone from playing :roll:
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']I probably wouldn't have picked it up before, but now I may have to get it to see what all the fuss it about.[/QUOTE]


you rip off balls with pliers
 
I heard somewhere that in the rating process game companies submit their games and then the ESRB says they will rate it a certain way unless changes are made. At that point the game company has the choice to accept the rating or make changes and resubmit. Its always possible that this AO content could be the core of the game itself therefore unchangeable (without breaking the game), but I think it might be possible as well that Take Two wants to make some controversy and get some publicity.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Please stop enforcing standards that no other form of media entertain you stupid bitch. If Hostel 1 and 2 can be rated 17+ why can't Manhunt 2?[/quote]

Two questions.

1. What makes you so certain that Manhunt's violence is even comparable to Hostel 2 in both the number of scenes and grotesque details?

2. What makes you think that immobile set-in-stone shots of Hostel films are comparable with a free camera of 3D environments, potentially enabling one to view a gruesome act from each and every possible angle?

No matter what you say, as long as you say "I have not played Manhunt 2 and am completely ignorant of the extent of its violent content" your claims (which I understand are in good spirit) can be distracted with an equivalent of my (2) - you can not even argue simple camera mechanics in the game, and now you have more to answer about.

As long as ESRB know more than you do about the game, your arguments will remain self-defeating.
 
[quote name='MarioColbert']Repeating for the ones too lazy to read:

NINTENDO DOES NOT ALLOW PUBLISHING OF AO-RATED GAMES ON ANY NINTENDO SYSTEM.

http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/buyers_guide.jsp


Next person to say dumb shit like "AO on Wii = I'm in" gets a kick in the NUTS.[/quote]
A small asterisked blurb on a likely-outdated sub-page doesn't mean anything.

If Take-Two decides to publish the game with the AO rating, then Nintendo would find itself in a difficult position. Don't forget, Reggie practically begged Rockstar for some Wii support. He wouldn't sever that relationship over a technicality like this.
 
They could just change the blood to sweat. it worked for MK1. kinda.

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I'm guessing that Take-Two will probably sell it from their site or something if it doesn't come to retail.

I'll be buying it.
 
[quote name='Scorch']I'm guessing that Take-Two will probably sell it from their site or something if it doesn't come to retail.

I'll be buying it.[/quote]

I enjoyed the first game so I would be interested in buying this too.

They sold Leisure Suit Larry AO online....I don't see why they won't do the same thing here.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']I probably wouldn't have picked it up before, but now I may have to get it to see what all the fuss it about.[/QUOTE]

That's kind of the boat I'm in which lends a certain amount of credibility to the theory that Rockstar intentionally designed the game to get an AO rating. Hey, it's a bold idea, like someone else said, they just got piz-aid 50 million by Microsoft, if ever they could afford to take a chance, it's now.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']If Take-Two decides to publish the game with the AO rating, then Nintendo would find itself in a difficult position. Don't forget, Reggie practically begged Rockstar for some Wii support. He wouldn't sever that relationship over a technicality like this.[/quote]
That actually makes a hell of a lot of sense. But then again, people always follow their values before common sense these days.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']I had absolutely no interest in this game before today, but if they actually have the guts to publish it with an AO rating, I'll buy it at launch just to support them.[/quote]
Guts has nothing to do with it. They won't be allowed to publish the game if it's rated AO. Not because of their policies, but because of Sony and Nintendo's. Neither of them will allow AO games to be published on their systems, and the way they control this is by stipulating that publishers are not allowed to release AO-rated games on their consoles in the licensing agreements, which these developers and publishers signed in order to obtain SDKs for these consoles, which are necessary to develop the games. So, yeah, it's completely fucking impossible.

[quote name='evilmax17']The ESRB made a pretty big statement today by giving Manhunt 2 an AO rating. Take-Two could make an even bigger statement by accepting the rating and publishing it anyway.[/QUOTE]
Again, there's jack shit they can do. When they were licensed to develop by Nintendo and Sony, and use their SDKs, they agreed to NOT publish AO games. Simple as that.

[quote name='rodeojones903']If this game releases as AO on the Wii I will buy it.[/QUOTE]
No you won't, because it's not coming out AO, because that's not possible, as explained above.

[quote name='evilmax17']A small asterisked blurb on a likely-outdated sub-page doesn't mean anything.[/quote]
Dude, are you fucking kidding me? What's with the grabbing at straws? Okay, so, a clear-as-day statement on the official website isn't fucking enough proof for you? Seriously? It's absolutely common knowledge that all three console manufacturers explicitly forbid AO-rated games, and will not license them, which makes it effectively possible for them to be released, because if they're not licensed, they can't use any of Sony or Nintendo or Microsoft's SDK code, whatsoever. If AO-games weren't a problem, why do you think GTA:SA was recalled after the Hot Coffee blow-up? Again, they are NOT allowed by the console manufacturers, and their word goes.

[quote name='evilmax17']If Take-Two decides to publish the game with the AO rating, then Nintendo would find itself in a difficult position. Don't forget, Reggie practically begged Rockstar for some Wii support. He wouldn't sever that relationship over a technicality like this.[/QUOTE]
Again, they won't publish it, because they can't. They have three choices: cut and re-submit the game until it's rated M, make it a PC-only game (since there are no governing bodies over PC software, anyone can release anything they want, with or without an ESRB rating [which are required for console games only because the console manufacturer's require a rating for the game to be licensed] as long as they can manufacture it. Problem is, there still aren't any retail stores that'll carry AO PC games, which as of now, are mostly Japanese porn games and "uncensored" versions of Playboy and Leisure Suit Larry games), or completely cancel it outright. I'm pretty damned sure they'll pick door number one.

And, yes, Nintendo would tell them to fuck off, and either cut their game till it's M, or to take it elsewhere. They're not going to compromise a long-standing company (an defacto industy) policy over one game with mediocre commercial prospects. It's not THAT important of a game, strategically. I mean, seriously, any Mario Party game they release is more or less guaranteed to sell more copies in it's first week at retail than Manhunt 2 will over it's entire run, so, again, it's not something they're going to compromise that extremely important policy over.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']A small asterisked blurb on a likely-outdated sub-page doesn't mean anything.[/quote]

You are right! Comapred to a totally fresh out-of-your-ass speculation on an internet forum, a blurb on the official website is nothing to pay attention to.

If Take-Two decides to publish the game with the AO rating, then Nintendo would find itself in a difficult position. Don't forget, Reggie practically begged Rockstar for some Wii support. He wouldn't sever that relationship over a technicality like this.
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Do you believe that the world revolves around you, and everything that is "a technicality" to you is "a technicality" to everyone else, no matter what policies a company employs? I suppose in your little world, Reggie goes over to Rockstar and says "Pleeease make us a game?" and they say "Okay" and they go off and do it. Every once in a while they have tea together, and send each other Christmas cards.

In case you're confused: that's not how a multi-billion dollar video game industry operates.

I'd explain how it works, but CoffeeEdge beat me to it. (From the sound of his text, I think he was risking spontaneous combustion - calm down, man, this is only the internet!)
 
[quote name='Scorch']I'm guessing that Take-Two will probably sell it from their site or something if it doesn't come to retail.

I'll be buying it.[/QUOTE]

Same here.
 
Take Two removing this from the retail channel gives me even more reason to buy it immedately. Die, retail chain videogame stores, die!
 
1. What makes you so certain that Manhunt's violence is even comparable to Hostel 2 in both the number of scenes and grotesque details?
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I'm not certain, but if the most violent videogame ever made to date that I know of IE Manhunt 1 got an M rating I don't see how part 2 will suddenly be that much worse. The ESRB has already given an M rating to Manhunt level of violence, which may be worse than Hostel. So I find the sudden change of heart suspicious.

2. What makes you think that immobile set-in-stone shots of Hostel films are comparable with a free camera of 3D environments, potentially enabling one to view a gruesome act from each and every possible angle?
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Apparently you don't know that the ESRB rates games based on "set-in-stone shots" provided by the developers. All ESRB games are rated based on video footage and nothing more. So rating content in a movie and a game is more than comparable.

It's obvious that you believe graphic violence can reach an AO level. I disagree and would direct you to Manhunt 1 to prove my point. The ESRB has proven on more than one occassion that they are biased and make bad decisions so I don't hold them up as the infallible board that many portray them as.

I am convinced that all of this has to do with some type of sex or nudity in the game and not violence at all. The ESRB has shown that they are not very tolerant of sexual content after Hot Coffee and this is probably the reason this game got an AO.
 
Banning any game outright is wrong. However I have no problem with an AO rating for Manhunt 2. Is this really the type of game that minors should have easy access to, especially the Wii version?
 
I wish that Rockstar would just tell the ESRB to shove it and release it Unrated.

[quote name='dopa345']Banning any game outright is wrong. However I have no problem with an AO rating for Manhunt 2. Is this really the type of game that minors should have easy access to, especially the Wii version?[/QUOTE]

An AO rating is a death sentence to a game.

People being upset that it was rated the way it was aren't upset because little Johnny can't get his kill on, it's because almost every retail chain won't carry it.
 
Well, here's hoping Rockstar takes a Hitchcock approach and resubmits it in a few weeks with no changes and that the ESRB, being gullible, gives it an M.
 
I really don't have a problem with an AO rating, its a game kids shouldn't be playing anyway so they should rate it accordingly. What I don't understand is why it has to be such a stigma, same goes for R-rated movies lately (fucking Live Free or Die Hard). We're adults, there's a reason kids can't wait to be one of us...
 
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