it continues: Manhunt 2 given AO rating in the U.S.

Is the no AO agreement universal. I.E. if it gets an AO rating in the US but a M rating in Mexico(or what ever they have there) than does that mean that they can't publish the game in Mexico too? Or is the ESRB an international organization that does universal ratings not just for the U.S.
 
As far as I've ever heard, ESRB ratings are just for the US. Britain's equivilent organization banned Manhunt 2 before the ESRB rated it AO.
 
[quote name='itachiitachi']Is the no AO agreement universal. I.E. if it gets an AO rating in the US but a M rating in Mexico(or what ever they have there) than does that mean that they can't publish the game in Mexico too? Or is the ESRB an international organization that does universal ratings not just for the U.S.[/quote] Don't think it matters in the end. Rockstar will definitely try for a rerating.

Quote from an article from GAF. That is pretty disgusting.
 
[quote name='Foolman']Don't think it matters in the end. Rockstar will definitely try for a rerating.


Quote from an article from GAF. That is pretty disgusting.[/quote]Wow. If Hot Coffee gets AO, methinks this is definitely a justified AO. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see how that fits in the context of a scientist trying to recover his identity. :D

And yes, I know it's probably "optional" behavior, but seriously.
 
[quote name='Foolman']
The ultra-violent videogame Manhunt 2 allows you to rape a woman shortly after you beheaded her in the brothel level called Honey Pot. Members of the ESRB were shocked when Daniel Lamb used his male reproduction organ and simulated a penetration in the bloody hole. Other gruesome parts include microwaving a living cat to death and being a witness of necrophilia in a cemetery in one of the later stage of the game.
Quote from an article from GAF. That is pretty disgusting.[/QUOTE]
I really, really hate that sort of thing in real life -- especially the nuking of the feline...

But it's incredible to be the one controlling these acts (in a digital realm; probably tongue-in-cheek, no less), as opposed to being at the mercy of this type of character, as a viewer, in, say, a horror film.
 
[quote name='botticus']Wow. If Hot Coffee gets AO, methinks this is definitely a justified AO.[/QUOTE]

Well, that probably brings up a point about how ridiculous the AO for Hot Coffee was. All I know is that none of this holds a candle to a guy (not a bunch of pixels representing a guy, mind) fucking a turkey with a severed head on it, while the rest of the body lies trussed on a table with a baster up its ass, a la Grindhouse.
 
That quote sounds plenty fake.


Brak: out of sheer curiosity, would you accept an AO rating provided that it is, in fact, appropriate to the product? Or are you a subscriber to "no matter how violent and disgusting the acts may be, graphic violence alone can never ever warrant a legitimate AO rating?
 
[quote name='trq']It's not "both" -- Microsoft confirmed they don't permit AO games either. It's ALL.[/QUOTE]
It's not being released on the Xbox. Why would Microsoft confirm something that isn't happening?
 
[quote name='MarioColbert']That quote sounds plenty fake.


Brak: out of sheer curiosity, would you accept an AO rating provided that it is, in fact, appropriate to the product? Or are you a subscriber to "no matter how violent and disgusting the acts may be, graphic violence alone can never ever warrant a legitimate AO rating?[/QUOTE]
Yes, I would. If what foolman posted was real, I would agree with the Ao rating of Manhunt 2.

My gripe is that, because it's rated Ao, I will not be able to purchase it or even play it, rendering the rating and ratings system a complete joke.

I'm an adult, and I can't play and Adult Only rated title?

They should rate it IB. "Indirectly Banned".
 
So basically the only way that we could get to play this game in its current state, is basically to hope that rockstar ports the game to the PC which would be the only platform that you could have an AO game correct?
 
[quote name='InuFaye']So basically the only way that we could get to play this game in its current state, is basically to hope that rockstar ports the game to the PC which would be the only platform that you could have an AO game correct?[/QUOTE]
Seems that way.
 
[quote name='Brak']It's not being released on the Xbox. Why would Microsoft confirm something that isn't happening?[/quote]Because they were asked. Likely by someone who said "Hey, Nintendo and Sony don't allow AO content. If the game were to go to 360, would you allow it?" "No."

Though Manhunt 2 isn't slated for any of Microsoft's systems, the company has also confirmed that it does not allow AO-rated titles on the Xbox or Xbox 360.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6172830.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;0
 
[quote name='Brak']Yes, I would. If what foolman posted was real, I would agree with the Ao rating of Manhunt 2.

My gripe is that, because it's rated Ao, I will not be able to purchase it or even play it, rendering the rating and ratings system a complete joke.

I'm an adult, and I can't play and Adult Only rated title?[/quote]

I know that a PC Title would already be bitterrenting across the globe, to the frustration of the publisher, developer, and everyone except for the asshole that leaked it.

Foolman: I need some information about the validity of that quote, dear sir. The rape thing makes me want to call bull - nobody is that stupid, least of all Rockstar.
 
[quote name='MarioColbert']Foolman: I need some information about the validity of that quote, dear sir. The rape thing makes me want to call bull - nobody is that stupid, least of all Rockstar.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. There's no way that's real, but it would literally cause my skull to cave in if it were so. (I actually dislike gore, for the most part; my skull would cave in sheer amazement.)

The edgiest thing I've ever seen in a game, which was actually presented tastefully, yet left me feeling sick, was when Max Payne's baby was shot in the first Max Payne title.

I couldn't believe they let that fly.
 
Some people here suggest that the ESRB is complicit in killing off this game - I think that's a weak argument at best. There are political concerns for the ESRB, sure, but ultimately they would be "doing their job" marking the game AO, whether or not it hit the market.

Nintendo and Sony have killed this game by refusing to sell "AO" games on their system. There's little to contrast this with in media, as other outlets (tv, film, music) allow for easy entree by independents. People can make and distribute their own shows, albums, and movies, with no official involvement at all. For games, however, the technological limitations (and, more importantly, costs) get in the way. You can make PSP homebrew, I suppose...but nothing of Manhunt's magnitude or design.

There's no recourse, and, of course, going "DIY" doesn't change the issue of censorship that the console makers all share.

I really doubt this is a publicity stunt, since the game, to be salable, will ultimately have to be rated "M." By doing that, you immediately cast doubt on the "authenticity" of the game (this must be revised or have content deleted to have gotten this rating) if it is released. That's bad publicity.

This must be this decade's "Thrill Kill." I got to play that game eventually, and boy did it suck. That, of course, is not the point.
 
[quote name='MarioColbert']Well, it seems we didn't have to wait too long on the official stance of Nintendo in this:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/original/nintendo-nixes-ao-manhunt-270741.php

Games made for Nintendo systems enjoy a broad variety of styles, genres and ratings. These are some of the reasons our Wii and Nintendo DS systems appeal to such a broad range of people. But as with books, television and movies, different content is meant for different audiences. That's why the ESRB provides ratings to help consumers understand the content of a game before they purchase it. As stated on Nintendo.com, Nintendo does not allow any AO-rated content on its systems.

I could not help myself with the bold marking. Sorry, guys, but I told you so.[/QUOTE]What an absolute bullshit quote.

Seriously, who the fuck wrote that, proof-read it, and then though "wow, this isn't completely stupid, let's publish it."

"We support a broad range of gametypes and ratings, for a broad range of ages and interests, for a broad range of demographics. Oh, and by the way, no games that should be played only by adults."
 
[quote name='MarioColbert']I know that a PC Title would already be bitterrenting across the globe, to the frustration of the publisher, developer, and everyone except for the asshole that leaked it.

Foolman: I need some information about the validity of that quote, dear sir. The rape thing makes me want to call bull - nobody is that stupid, least of all Rockstar.[/quote]
It's bull.

Sorry it took me so long, started playing some Beyond Good and Evil.
 
Well now I'm hoping someone leeks a copy of the unedited PS2 version (and, if the Wii is hacked, that too). Perhaps someday then I'll play it.
 
[quote name='Foolman']Sorry it took me so long, started playing some Beyond Good and Evil.[/quote]

I just finished it last Sunday. Brilliant title. Last time I played it, I made it to the moon and then my memory card got destroyed by a friend. Make that ex-friend. Anyway, finally got around to replaying it again.

Have you played Eternal Darkness? I'm playing through it right now and I must be close to the end (Gulf War Mission). It's no BG&E, but it's nice.
 
So people seriously would not buy the game if it was toned down to an "M" rating even though the core gameplay elements were completely intact? I guess I underestimate the demand for a game that allows players to rip someone's balls off with pliers. Frankly if that feature is the main selling point for a game, it won't be very good to begin with.
 
[quote name='MarioColbert']I just finished it last Sunday. Brilliant title. Last time I played it, I made it to the moon and then my memory card got destroyed by a friend. Make that ex-friend. Anyway, finally got around to replaying it again.

Have you played Eternal Darkness? I'm playing through it right now and I must be close to the end (Gulf War Mission). It's no BG&E, but it's nice.[/quote]
I just bout BG&E today. I needed something to tide me over until Persona 3 and it looks like I made the perfect choice.

I haven't played Eternal Darkness. I don't really have a tolerance for scary games or movies. Most people don't find RE4 that scary but I found myself always doing 180s to make sure nothing was behind me.
 
[quote name='dopa345']So people seriously would not buy the game if it was toned down to an "M" rating even though the core gameplay elements were completely intact? I guess I underestimate the demand for a game that allows players to rip someone's balls off with pliers. Frankly if that feature is the main selling point for a game, it won't be very good to begin with.[/QUOTE]
Wow; you sound like such a video game sage -- a free-thinker whose mind isn't clouted by such rubbish, like Manhunt 2.

Funny how you don't seem to appreciate being able to play a game in its entirety, with such purist opinions as those, which you have kindly graced us with, o' master.
 
[quote name='Foolman']I just bout BG&E today. I needed something to tide me over until Persona 3 and it looks like I made the perfect choice.[/QUOTE]
Is BG&E BC yet? I haven't played it in so long. :(
 
[quote name='Brak']Wow; you sound like such a video game sage -- a free-thinker whose mind isn't clouted by such rubbish, like Manhunt 2.

Funny how you don't seem to appreciate being able to play a game in its entirety, with such purist opinions as those, which you have kindly graced us with, o' master.[/QUOTE]

I don't see where I ever said it should not be released or not be played in its AO form. I don't presume to impose my taste in games on anyone else. If you want an AO version of Manhunt 2, then pressure Rockstar, Sony and Nintendo rather than blame the ESRB.
 
[quote name='dopa345']I don't see where I ever said it should not be released or not be played in its AO form. I don't presume to impose my taste in games on anyone else. If you want an AO version of Manhunt 2, then pressure Rockstar, Sony and Nintendo rather than blame the ESRB.[/QUOTE]
I don't see where I said you said that. Again, your input is completely worthless.
 
[quote name='fraggedbylaggers']seriously fuck censorship
^
A prime example of the stupidity that is censorship (lol)

What will they take from us next? Freedom of speech? (oh wait...)[/quote]

Give it a rest, this isn't censorship. This is 3 companies not wanting adult only products on their consoles. Nothing more, nothing less. It is NOT censorship in any form. Rockstar is not being banned from releasing this game, they just can't use the 3 major consoles as an outlet. The ratings board gave it a rating it seems to have deserved, they did NOT ban this game from being played.
 
[quote name='schuerm26']Give it a rest, this isn't censorship. This is 3 companies not wanting adult only products on their consoles. Nothing more, nothing less. It is NOT censorship in any form.[/QUOTE]
:lol:

You obviously have a very poor grasp of the english language.

Banning offensive titles is, by definition, censorship. The big three are participating in active censorship of what they deem to be objectional content.

It's legal, it's their right, but it's fucking censorship.
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']:lol:

You obviously have a very poor grasp of the english language.

Banning offensive titles is, by definition, censorship. The big three are participating in active censorship of what they deem to be objectional content.

It's legal, it's their right, but it's fucking censorship.[/QUOTE]

It's not censorship, it's a marketing decision. If you all petition sony and nintendo and show that there is a huge demand for the game, you'll get your AO Manhunt 2.
 
The problem, if there is such a petition, instead of being filled with reasonable reasons about why the industry should release AO titles will instead read like this.

ZOMG!!!11!!!!! I wana pull of nigger's testicles with plyerz!!!1!!!!

I hate kids.
 
[quote name='dopa345']It's not censorship, it's a marketing decision. If you all petition sony and nintendo and show that there is a huge demand for the game, you'll get your AO Manhunt 2.[/quote]
That won't work.
 
[quote name='Foolman']That won't work.[/QUOTE]
That never works.
 
[quote name='dopa345']It's not censorship, it's a marketing decision. If you all petition sony and nintendo and show that there is a huge demand for the game, you'll get your AO Manhunt 2.[/QUOTE]
To censor is to ban. The big three have made a conscious decision to ban AO rated titles from their consoles. This is an active form of censorship that also happens to be a business decision.

It's their right, it's perfectly legal, and it's also fucking censorship.
 
[quote name='Halo05']The problem, if there is such a petition, instead of being filled with reasonable reasons about why the industry should release AO titles will instead read like this.

ZOMG!!!11!!!!! I wana pull of nigger's testicles with plyerz!!!1!!!!

I hate kids.[/QUOTE]

No shit sherlock thats why I said LMAO :p
 
[quote name='Monsta Mack']No shit sherlock thats why I said LMAO :p[/QUOTE]
:whistle2:| That was extremely rude and uncalled for.
 
Geez, calm down, I was crafting a humorous anecdote for all, not attacking your suggestion (which I know was made in jest).
 
[quote name='Halo05']Geez, calm down, I was crafting a humorous anecdote for all, not attacking your suggestion (which I know was made in jest).[/QUOTE]

No! I won't calm down till I can pull your testicles via the wiimote!
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']To censor is to ban. The big three have made a conscious decision to ban AO rated titles from their consoles. This is an active form of censorship that also happens to be a business decision.

It's their right, it's perfectly legal, and it's also fucking censorship.[/quote]

It isn't censorship. It is deciding not to release something that these 2 companies obviously feel doesn't help the image they are projecting for their systems. Manhunt 2 can still be released via other alternatives. Nintendo and Microsoft has every right to say they don't want to release whatever they want. That doesn't make it censorship.

It's like when that record label owned by Disney didn't want to release that Insane Clown Posse cd. That wasn't censorship, they just didn't want that kind of content associated with Disney. Same thing here.
 
[quote name='schuerm26']It isn't censorship. It is deciding not to release something that these 2 companies obviously feel doesn't help the image they are projecting for their systems. Manhunt 2 can still be released via other alternatives. Nintendo and Microsoft has every right to say they don't want to release whatever they want. That doesn't make it censorship.

It's like when that record label owned by Disney didn't want to release that Insane Clown Posse cd. That wasn't censorship, they just didn't want that kind of content associated with Disney. Same thing here.[/QUOTE]
Go back the past few pages to see why I think it is censorship.
 
[quote name='dopa345']It's not censorship, it's a marketing decision. If you all petition sony and nintendo and show that there is a huge demand for the game, you'll get your AO Manhunt 2.[/QUOTE]
Cause petitions ALWAYS work. Oh, and there's still the issue of no stores carrying AO games.
 
[quote name='schuerm26']It isn't censorship. It is deciding not to release something that these 2 companies obviously feel doesn't help the image they are projecting for their systems. Manhunt 2 can still be released via other alternatives. Nintendo and Microsoft has every right to say they don't want to release whatever they want. That doesn't make it censorship.

It's like when that record label owned by Disney didn't want to release that Insane Clown Posse cd. That wasn't censorship, they just didn't want that kind of content associated with Disney. Same thing here.[/quote]

Yes it is censorship and as long as you claim to be wrong, it will still be censorship.
 
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