It's not the end of GGT 137, but you can see it from here

[quote name='Jimbo Slice']Been meaning to ask you lot of assholes, what did you think of the Warhammer Space Marine demo? I think whoknows mentioned liking it, but how about everyone else? Rei, did you try it - seems like it'd be up your alley with the Dynasty Warriors-esque combat (oh man how I wish Sengoku Basara would've come out on 360).

I was pretty impressed, and the demo changed my opinion of that game from "maybe if it can be had for $10 bucks or less down the line" to "really looking forward to it!"

The game totally isn't for everyone, but I imagine some of you handsome chaps will like it.[/QUOTE]

Downloaded the demo, haven't played it yet.
 
[quote name='Indignate']I was more interested in it before I saw the GB quicklook. Seems repetitive and the not so good Dynasty Warriors kind of way.

Gameplay didn't seem that great at all. A dev was on the quicklook and mentioned how melee combat and finishers/executions were a big thing they worked on specially since melee finishers restored health. Then he proceeded to do the same two finishers for the next twenty minutes. That kind of repetition kills it for me.

I'm talking shit without trying the demo though. Maybe it's funner to play than to watch.[/QUOTE]

I played the demo without knowing anything about the game prior. I thought it was pretty fun. The game is pretty much a buy for me right now, but it comes out on the 6th. I think I'm going to keep it to only R3 that day, even though I'm tempted to get Space Marine too.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']I actually disagree. One of the better parts of the game was that you can't save people if you do nothing but be nice and give them everything they want. That's exactly how it should work.
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The problem I had was a lot of it wasn't just not giving people what they want. Some where with things like raising taxes and adding fees to stuff, and those where fine. But many where related to promises you made throughout the game, and I didn't want to break those. And some where very stark good vs. evil decisions like
re-open the factory and have child labor, or turn it into a school
.

But those were pretty minor gripes. The story in this game was very thin so I didn't really care about saving everyone or playing more after the credits rolled anyway. The good parts of the game where the combat, and some of the side quests were amusing. Especially the combat as I loved that you didn't have to specialize in magic, melee or ranged weapons and could use all seamlessly in combat. And that there was no combo non-sense.

My bigger gripe is the last portion of the game was just kind of boring with only 3 (IIRC) actual side quests where you went out and did something, and the rest just listening to dialogue and making decisions. The ending is also pretty silly when you think about it--
the shadows can kill everyone if you have no mone, but the King and his handful of his compatriots can still go out and beat them by themselves?

But I still enjoyed the game as the combat was some of the most fun WRPG combat I've played and the middle portion of the game once it opened up and you had lots of sidequests to do was a lot of fun. So I'd probably give it an 8/10. I probably liked Fable 2 a tad more, but both were fun, simple games IMO. I didn't bother with all the sim/relationship/property owning stuff much in either game though.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']The problem I had was a lot of it wasn't just not giving people what they want. Some where with things like raising taxes and adding fees to stuff, and those where fine. But many where related to promises you made throughout the game, and I didn't want to break those. And some where very stark good vs. evil decisions like
re-open the factory and have child labor, or turn it into a school
.
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The whole point is you have to break some promises and become less popular for the greater good. The stark good vs evil decisions are really only good vs evil on the surface.
For instance I felt that it was worth it to turn the orphanage into a brothel because it meant saving over a million lives.
I just wish they could have had those kind of multi-layered moral choices with options that made more sense.


[quote name='dmaul1114']
The ending is also pretty silly when you think about it--
the shadows can kill everyone if you have no mone, but the King and his handful of his compatriots can still go out and beat them by themselves?
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It's the kind of thing where it's best if you don't think too hard about it. :lol: Most of the moral choices were the same way. They give you unrealistic scenarios because they couldn't come up with anything better. I just kind of accepted it somehow though even though I knew the entire situation was poorly designed.
 
Yeah the
brothel vs. orphanage
wasn't so much a stark good vs. evil choice as things like the
child labor vs. school
for instance. Or, to a lesser extent,
destroying the lake to create a quarry, which I couldn't do as a big pro-environment person
.

But that's just me. I hate doing evil/tyrannical stuff in games and always prefer to be the 100% good guy. There's far too much evil and general shitiness in real life, I prefer to escape from that reality when gaming! :D

One other thing that bugged me was Reaver.
The evil bastard tried to kill you and your friends and you get no decision on what to do with him when you become king? He just stays in power and you can either agree with his greedy policies or not? Seems like that could have/should have been a decision point on whether to let him live or at least whether to exile him and replace him with someone else.

Anyway, I think the whole "moral decision" thing in RPGs is pretty played out. I'd prefer them just go back to telling linear stories where you're either a good guy or an anti-hero etc. as the moral decisions always come out as forced, usually don't have much impact on the outcome of the story etc. anyway.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah the
brothel vs. orphanage
wasn't so much a stark good vs. evil choice as things like the
child labor vs. school
for instance. Or, to a lesser extent,
destroying the lake to create a quarry, which I couldn't do as a big pro-environment person
.

But that's just me. I hate doing evil/tyrannical stuff in games and always prefer to be the 100% good guy. There's far too much evil and general shitiness in real life, I prefer to escape from that reality when gaming! :D
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I don't like doing evil stuff in games either, but that's what makes the decisions interesting to me. If I didn't have to think about them, then it isn't much fun.

[quote name='dmaul1114']
One other thing that bugged me was Reaver.
The evil bastard tried to kill you and your friends and you get no decision on what to do with him when you become king? He just stays in power and you can either agree with his greedy policies or not? Seems like that could have/should have been a decision point on whether to let him live or at least whether to exile him and replace him with someone else.
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Even though he is evil, I probably would have kept him around anyway just because he is so entertaining.

[quote name='dmaul1114']
Anyway, I think the whole "moral decision" thing in RPGs is pretty played out. I'd prefer them just go back to telling linear stories where you're either a good guy or an anti-hero etc. as the moral decisions always come out as forced, usually don't have much impact on the outcome of the story etc. anyway.[/QUOTE]

I don't have a problem with linear stories, and I don't mind some games being that way, but in these create-your-own-character kind of games, I like having moral choices. While a lot of games still don't do it too well, once in a while a choice does pop up that makes it all worth it. And games are the only medium that have the potential to even do stuff like this, so I'd hate to see this kind of thing go away before they can get better at it.
 
Yeah, I wasn't really saying that I thought it should go away as people clearly like these types of games.

More just that I may start playing fewer of them. With the exception of the Mass Effect series (and KOTOR before it) I think most of the moral decision games I've played end up having pretty weak stories compared to linear story games since they have to try account for both paths (and degrees in between).

And the ME games still tell a good story as thus far the choices haven't really mattered much to the main plot (maybe ME3 will change that). And those games aren't really good/evil decisions anyway as you're still a hero trying to save the galaxy either way. They're more nice guy/asshole decisions, the end results are largely the same. :D

Games like Oblivion, Fallout etc. have week stories and the good/evil doesn't make much difference. Same with the Fable games. I watched the "evil" Fable 3 ending on youtube, and it's nearly identical to the good one, the narrative by Theresa is just a bit different, but still paints you as a hero who saved the land.

KOTOR is probably the game that's done it best thus far with the clear good vs. evil path and ending up a Jedi saving the galaxy or a Sith lord conquering it.

But in either cases the decisions aren't very interesting to me. In a game like ME I'm going to always make whatever decision fits the path I'm taking on that playthrough (paragon or renegade). In other games where I only play them once I pretty much always do the "good" things without much thought, but that's just me.

With Fable 3 I just did all the good things and hoped it would pan out for the best in the end. So I guess it was a good twist that it didn't work out and going that route had consequences I suppose.
 
[quote name='CaptainJoel']I'm really not great at it, but I think I'm enjoying 3SOE more than I ever enjoyed SF4 or any of its incarnations.[/QUOTE]

AWESOME. Now let's play!

/edit: Good Games Mr. Joel. 3sOE is an awesome game, glad people get another chance to play in the modern age of gaming. Stick with that Dudley and you'll get better in no time, just stop throwing out his cross counters like beads during Mardi Gras.
 
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[quote name='j-cart']AWESOME. Now let's play!

/edit: Good Games Mr. Joel. 3sOE is an awesome game, glad people get another chance to play in the modern age of gaming. Stick with that Dudley and you'll get better in no time, just stop throwing out his cross counters like beads during Mardi Gras.[/QUOTE]
Good game! And thanks a lot, I'll keep working at getting better with him! I'll also try to start diversifying, I don't really play anyone else in the game.

Edit: Uh, wow. That Jblow interview made me hate him sooooo much.
 
[quote name='CaptainJoel']Good game! And thanks a lot, I'll keep working at getting better with him! I'll also try to start diversifying, I don't really play anyone else in the game.

Edit: Uh, wow. That Jblow interview made me hate him sooooo much.[/QUOTE]

Who wants to watch a replay with me later so I can get that couch potato trophy? :lol:
 
[quote name='corrosivefrost']Who wants to watch a replay with me later so I can get that couch potato trophy? :lol:[/QUOTE]

Me.
 
[quote name='BlueScrote']I know J. Blow is much maligned here in the GGT, but this article just makes him sound like a complete dick.


http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/kotaku/v...-two-video-games-is-attempting-to-be-profound[/QUOTE]


Already invalid; it's Kotaku. Plus I don't think its him, its the market and consumers that throw personifications on the fucker. I've met enough devs I thought were cool regular guys that turn out to be dicks, and devs that I thought were dicks that turn out to be cool regular guys. Public Personas 3 Portables are partially what the public make it and turned into characters.



also, anyone know of a very reliable external HDD for a good price that's high capacity?
 
[quote name='corrosivefrost']Who wants to watch a replay with me later so I can get that couch potato trophy? :lol:[/QUOTE]
I'd wanna do it! I couldn't figure out how to get it.
 
Boo, people can use that trial glitch to complete trials in 3sO! Thank god it doesn't help much in some of the harder trials.
 
[quote name='CaptainJoel']What trial glitch?

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I uploaded one of the matches that j-cart and I played earlier to Youtube! I'll upload the Dudley v. Dudley one that Frosty and I did later, too.[/QUOTE]

1) Go look it up, cause I ain't postin' it. :nottalking:
2) Stop jumping.
 
[quote name='whoknows']I want to be like Jonathan Blow when I grow up, so I can say things like I just can't enjoy normal games for more than an hour. Only games I make, because I'm a pioneer.[/QUOTE]

Talk to Urai
 
[quote name='CaptainJoel']Yeah, neither have I. It just doesn't seem worth it.[/QUOTE]

I already have 38 or so done legit -- I'll get my 55 one way or another for the trophy, but I know I'll never pull off the harder ones -- I just don't have the execution.
 
I don't know if I'll be able to pull off that many at all. I think I've done around 20 and I'll likely not be able to do anymore because I don't have the timing for it.
 
[quote name='corrosivefrost']I already have 38 or so done legit -- I'll get my 55 one way or another for the trophy, but I know I'll never pull off the harder ones -- I just don't have the execution.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='CaptainJoel']I don't know if I'll be able to pull off that many at all. I think I've done around 20 and I'll likely not be able to do anymore because I don't have the timing for it.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='gunm']I don't know if I'll be able to pull off that many either. I also don't have the timing for it.[/QUOTE]

Aww, not all of them are bad, just post the ones that are giving you trouble and I can tell ya how to do them.
 
[quote name='corrosivefrost']I'm not necessarily having trouble, I just don't have the execution -- like Urien #1. :rofl:[/QUOTE]

That one doesn't take execution! Get the charge, press st.mp on your way up and cancel into the ex headbutt ... and do it somewhat quickly.
 
Also, I don't remember where the option is, exactly, but if you beat the game with your favorite characters (or any, really) -- you can go and change the color pallete to use 2i colors. As a Ken user, this was awesome. ^_^ I think the black gi/white hair version is in there somewhere. :D

I'll try again when I fire it up later.
 
Some of the trials are a bitch, but I got Practice Makes Perfect today. Only 100%'s I have are Hugo, Alex and Basic Parrying. Everyone else is between 2-4 completed. Oh and I did 3 of the Advanced Parrying and 2 of the Handicap Trials.
 
Really? Awesome! I can't wait to use some new Dudley colors! I think my next try through arcade will be either Ken or Ryu. I think I'll be able to pick them up relatively quickly.

Here's mine and Frosty's Dudley v. Dudley match!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMaxOIBtADU

I know neither of the episodes I've posted are great, but I'm just being amazed that I can upload video from a game straight into Youtube.
 
I played the Space Marine demo. It consisted of me pressing X, X, X, Y, and B in that order over and over again. Wasn't that impressed, but I like the universe enough to pick the game up eventually.

Also tried the Driver demo. The 'Shift' mechanic is kind of neat and I like the licensed vehicles, might pick it up on the cheap.
 
[quote name='CaptainJoel']I know neither of the episodes I've posted are great, but I'm just being amazed that I can upload video from a game straight into Youtube.[/QUOTE]
A good amount of PS3/PSN games (PixelJunk games, Just Cause 2, MLB, and others) support it, which can be great with the video editor to tweak it before uploading it from that app. I recorded a video of an ump getting hit in the head in MLB 10 and cut out the fluff before putting it on Youtube.
 
[quote name='CaptainJoel']What trial glitch?

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I uploaded one of the matches that j-cart and I played earlier to Youtube! I'll upload the Dudley v. Dudley one that Frosty and I did later, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3tqPbhMGpY&feature=mh_lolz&list=HL1314307662[/QUOTE]
Holy shit that's a lot of jumping.
[quote name='Indignate']I played the Space Marine demo. It consisted of me pressing X, X, X, Y, and B in that order over and over again. Wasn't that impressed, but I like the universe enough to pick the game up eventually.

Also tried the Driver demo. The 'Shift' mechanic is kind of neat and I like the licensed vehicles, might pick it up on the cheap.[/QUOTE]
I finally tried that Space Marines demo too. I didn't like it. I guess I just don't like shooting in my musou style games. Also I don't really like the universe. I mean they have a group called the "Ultra Marines." They're not just marines, they're Ultra Marines!
 
I wanna play all you GGTers. I'm sure I'll get my ass handed to me from a few and beat a few of your asses, but I'm nothing freaky beast to fight like some FGT peeps here on CAG

and yes, that's alot of fucking jumping
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Holy shit that's a lot of jumping.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='RelentlessRolento']and yes, that's alot of fucking jumping[/QUOTE]

Told ya.
 
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so again... any external HDDs that are reliable and good price? I'll keep asking till I get a legit answer


also fuck, I'm not totally into all that El Shaddai is about but I can totally back the fuck outa the visual aesthetic orgasm that it is... shit. I've only played 3 levels and man... been a while since I've seen a console game use hardware power for something besides realistic graphics. Nice ass color palette to boot.

mediaManager


shit.
 
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