Kanye West is my hero

[quote name='jughead']I am as guilty as the next man but people just want to get things done, they don't want to DO anything.[/QUOTE]

I have my money set aside for the Red Cross. One thing about disasters, is that donations and assistance have a curve like a fad would (think slap bracelets and pet rocks, if you must). The transition from no interest to a well-saturated market occurs almost instantaneously (the "overnight sensation" effect, if you will). Unfortunately, after an all-too-brief time, the trend dies off just as quickly as it started.

So, while donations have spiked right now, they won't be there in three-four weeks. Unfortunately, Red Cross spends the money they have like there's no tomorrow, so they *will* need more money in several weeks. With that in mind, I have my donation set aside for what I call "wave 2," when news articles trickle in about Red Cross's asking the United States' people "where's all the fuckin' money now?"
 
[quote name='mykevermin']In what way is it a load of bull? Is it because of the White House State of Emergency declaration from 8/26? (Link) Did that do an adequate job in showing reverence for all races? Especially since so much was done on the federal end between this press release and 9/1, right?

Does race not matter in a city that is 67.9% African-American?
Does it matter in a city where the percentage of people with Bachelor's of higher if 4% *above* the national average (31% to 27%)?
Does it matter that the employment rate is 3.1% lower in this more well-educated area?
Does it matter when median household income is $11,000 *lower* than the national average ($31,369 to $44,684)?
Does it not matter in a city with a 4% higher rate of families living under poverty (14.5% compared to 10.1) and a 10% higher rate of individuals living below poverty (23.2% compared to 13.1%)?
(All data taken from The US Census Intercensus 2004)

So, were black people drawn here because of poverty (and the fact that they must love to live in it), or was poverty drawn here because of the blacks?

Perhaps neither, you say? Would those of you who seem to think that race doesn't matter in this day and age, that any equally-qualified black man (or woman) has the exact same chance of getting the same job as an equally-qualified white man (or woman), say about this correlation of race and poverty? Would you simply say it's coincidence? Circumstantial? Perhaps even spurious?

The fact of the matter is that (1) NO has a far larger percentage of African-Americans than most cities (if not all, but I hesitate to say that), and (2) far larger percentage of families and individuals living in poverty. This is a pattern that simply can not be described as coincidence, unless you like to be overly simplistic and completely wrong.

Would you say that, in contemporary America, that equally qualified African-Americans have as much of a chance of getting housing (whether an apartment or a mortgage) as a similar white person? How about a car loan?

I do, for a cynical moment, want to thank those of you who seem to think that racism is dead in our society. Seriously. Not that you'll ever see my work (it's not bloody likely, since it involves reading, anyway), but I stand a very good chance of getting tens of thousands of dollars for research on housing discrimination based upon presumed race. For those of you who are bigoted but can't admit it, thank you. You keep me knee-deep in work, and well-paid in addition.[/QUOTE]

Professor Murder,

I never said that racism does not exist. I believe it does; I have even seen it with my own eyes. Nevertheless, it is not nearly as pervasive as you would make it out to be. I have seen no evidence, and you have pointed to none, suggesting that the response to the tragedy in New Orleans was motivated by race rather than, for example, incompetence, poor planning (largely by black officials in New Orleans), state-federal lack of communication, failure to appreciate the magnitude of the problem, etc. Don't be so quick to call everything you see racism. There are often simpler and more credible explanations.

As for your study (paid for by the government, no doubt), it sounds like another waste of taxpayer money. But some people don't care about that....
 
I was actually watching tv last night, and saw Al Sharpton on the Jimmey Kimmel show. He said he agreed with how Kanye West acted. He mentioned how if Kanye were to say a derogatory statement about women, they wouldnt censor him, something something they wouldnt censor him, but when Kanye says what he feels to stand up for his people, they do censor him.
 
I love how people think Kanye West is Moses and that he is saving "his people" Get over it people...black, white, w/e...we are all the same. My people includes everyone on the face of this earth, so does yours, so does Kanye West's. Racism's only alive because of the people who insist it's not dead. Quit being white, quit being black, quit being a color, race, or religion...be yourself, be a (somewhat) civilized human being.
On a more personal note: about 90% of the people in this thread alone act like a bunch of 3rd graders, good job guys.
 
[quote name='Tha Xecutioner']Racism's only alive because of the people who insist it's not dead.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps you could explain why social science research (Devah Pager, to be precise, though the year of publication doesn't come to mind immediately, it was in the late 90's or early 2000's) shows that white males *WITH* felony convictions receive more job opportunities than black males *WITHOUT* felony convictions?

Keep in mind that age, class, and education are all controlled for, and thus equal. It is clear evidence that racism doesn't need people like me (who insist that it isn't dead) to remain alive and well.
 
[quote name='Tha Xecutioner']I love how people think Kanye West is Moses and that he is saving "his people" Get over it people...black, white, w/e...we are all the same. My people includes everyone on the face of this earth, so does yours, so does Kanye West's. Racism's only alive because of the people who insist it's not dead. Quit being white, quit being black, quit being a color, race, or religion...be yourself, be a (somewhat) civilized human being.
On a more personal note: about 90% of the people in this thread alone act like a bunch of 3rd graders, good job guys.[/QUOTE]

I think it's fine to identify yourself as a religious person, as long as you do not force others to follow the rules of your religion. Color I agree, race - I think that's a complicated issue. After all, there are alot of interesting interpretations of what makes great food, entertainment, and fashion when you compare the different ways that races live. For example, I'm glad Italian food tastes different from Indian food, because I love them both.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Perhaps you could explain why social science research (Devah Pager, to be precise, though the year of publication doesn't come to mind immediately, it was in the late 90's or early 2000's) shows that white males *WITH* felony convictions receive more job opportunities than black males *WITHOUT* felony convictions?

Keep in mind that age, class, and education are all controlled for, and thus equal. It is clear evidence that racism doesn't need people like me (who insist that it isn't dead) to remain alive and well.[/QUOTE]


Oh I suppose this research done must be the universal truth. I mean if someone writes it down, does a study or conducts a poll, or posts it online it must be accepted, right? What areas of the United States were these studies conducted in? What type of educational system is run in those places? Who did the research? What kind of upbringing did these seperate families have? Does research tell you this? Does that research show how much incentive both sides had to work hard to gain more job opportunities? What does this research reveal, other than color, about the 2 opposing sides? Could it be that the white males with the convictions changed their ways, worked harder, and strove towards a better life..thus gaining the job? Possibly. But does this research answer that? No..it's just numbers on paper. And frankly, numbers don't speak to me as much as relevant information about the lives of both sides of this supposed study.
 
[quote name='Tha Xecutioner']And frankly, numbers don't speak to me as much as relevant information about the lives of both sides of this supposed study.[/QUOTE]

:lol:
 
[quote name='Weedy649']I was actually watching tv last night, and saw Al Sharpton on the Jimmey Kimmel show. He said he agreed with how Kanye West acted. [/QUOTE]

That's really all that needs to be said. An Al Sharpton endorsement.

Al Sharpton is an embarrassment to start with. He and Kanye just prove my signature to be more and more true....

[quote name='Tha Xecutioner']Racism's only alive because of the people who insist it's not dead.[/QUOTE]


I wish more people would realize this. Look at Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan. Their legacies have been made by exploiting racial issues for their own gain (veiled in a cloak of helping our "brothers and sisters" out).

Trent Lott was pleading the President to cut the red tape preventing 20,000 trailers from being shipped down to Mississippi. Last I checked he was white as snow. Hey Kanye, I guess the president hates rich white men too? :roll:

There are few people who would argue that things went well with relief in the beginning but when Trent Lott has trouble getting help too, that really blows the racism bullshit out of the water.
 
What makes this so funny is that people don't realize that aid didn't go to anywhere else before it got to New Orleans. They are still fighting to receive aid in Alabama and Mississippi. So, for all of those that feel that Kanye was right in what he said just look at the facts of the situation. Aid was slow to everyone but it got to New Orleans before everywhere else and the people in Alabama and Mississippi are still trying to get help.

Trust me it has nothing to do with race when it comes to Bush. Hell, his nephew George P. Bush is hispanic and is listed as Time Magazine's 25 Most Influencial Hispanics in America. For those wondering, this is one of the children of Jeb Bush R-Florida Governer.
 
[quote name='uzumaki_star']What makes this so funny is that people don't realize that aid didn't go to anywhere else before it got to New Orleans. They are still fighting to receive aid in Alabama and Mississippi. So, for all of those that feel that Kanye was right in what he said just look at the facts of the situation. Aid was slow to everyone but it got to New Orleans before everywhere else and the people in Alabama and Mississippi are still trying to get help.

Trust me it has nothing to do with race when it comes to Bush. Hell, his nephew George P. Bush is hispanic and is listed as Time Magazine's 25 Most Influencial Hispanics in America. For those wondering, this is one of the children of Jeb Bush R-Florida Governer.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. People in Mississippi are complaining that New Orleans has gotten the bulk of attention while they are still struggling (which is true). The MAJORITY I have seen affected in Mississippi and Alabama are white.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Exactly. People in Mississippi are complaining that New Orleans has gotten the bulk of attention while they are still struggling (which is true). The MAJORITY I have seen affected in Mississippi and Alabama are white.[/QUOTE]

See so if we were to take what is reality instead of a blanked statement then the white people are in more desperate need in this situation than the black people. Because most of the people from New Orleans have been moved to other parts of the country while our friends in Mississippi are stuck where they are and have no way of being evacuated for the time being.
 
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