Kerry Supporters: "How is your candidate going to make America better?
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One of many reasons I will be voting for Kerry is that I don't like seeing tax money fly out the window to the rich. The rich are much richer now than before Bush and the poor are poorer. Money is scarce for most and plentiful for a few. The big surprise is going to come when the poor majority have no money. The economy will collapse if 100,000 - 500,000 people hold all the money. What will poor people use to buy the shit at Wal-Mart that is made overseas by people making 30 cents an hour? At that time after the economy has collapsed, all the glorious money that Bush has been handing over to the corporations and CEOs who have no conscience will be worthless! We will all be on a level playing field again.
A perfect example is the abolition of the dividend tax. If I remember the figures correctly, 50% of this cut went to the top 1% of wage-earners in the US. Add in another 4% of the top wage-earners, and you have 75% of this tax cut which amounts to billions of dollars to the top 5% of US wage-earners! So, instead of spending those billions to reduce the cost of healthcare or to provide more federal money to education or even to fund the war (which was instead funded by our Social Security) , it will help to pad the pockets of people who aren't putting their money back into the economy, but are hoarding it in offshore bank accounts to avoid taxation. I personally think it is all an outrage.
A perfect example is the abolition of the dividend tax. If I remember the figures correctly, 50% of this cut went to the top 1% of wage-earners in the US. Add in another 4% of the top wage-earners, and you have 75% of this tax cut which amounts to billions of dollars to the top 5% of US wage-earners! So, instead of spending those billions to reduce the cost of healthcare or to provide more federal money to education or even to fund the war (which was instead funded by our Social Security) , it will help to pad the pockets of people who aren't putting their money back into the economy, but are hoarding it in offshore bank accounts to avoid taxation. I personally think it is all an outrage.
[quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='CTLesq']Are you people going to demand Kerry divorce his wife or never serve ketchup at the White House because its a conflict of interest?[/quote]
if youre going to be that childish, y post?[/quote]
I was making a point. Can you see it?
People complain about Cheney having a conflict of interest with Haliburton, so lets take it to its logical conclusion.
Lets look at where Kerry has investments and see if you are willing to apply the same level of criticism and comparison.
Or is that childish?[/quote]
ill criticize any elected official that puts his own intrests in front of those of the people. but you gave no information at all, is kerry a big stock holder in the heinz corporation or something?[/quote]
If you don't know that one way or another I suggest you refrain from questioning my comments.[/quote]
why?[/quote]
Because he is married to Theresa Heinz (of Heinz ketchup, like THE OWNER). Thats why.[/quote]
the comparison is not that good. i mean, its friggin ketchup! sure its a big company, but its not a big industry. but just like above, i dont know what other things heinz does besides ketchup, if you could tell me thad'd be great ^^[/quote]
Ah, now its matters of degrees?
What happened to the issue of conflict of interest that was so gleefully (and without any proof of wrong doing) applied to Cheney?
Or is this a principle of convience?[/quote]
heinz OWNS the ketchup industry, its a virtual monopoly, with mostly just store brands as competitors. but if kerry gave out big ketchup contracts (lol) i would be upset about that as well, please dont twist my words
if youre going to be that childish, y post?[/quote]
I was making a point. Can you see it?
People complain about Cheney having a conflict of interest with Haliburton, so lets take it to its logical conclusion.
Lets look at where Kerry has investments and see if you are willing to apply the same level of criticism and comparison.
Or is that childish?[/quote]
ill criticize any elected official that puts his own intrests in front of those of the people. but you gave no information at all, is kerry a big stock holder in the heinz corporation or something?[/quote]
If you don't know that one way or another I suggest you refrain from questioning my comments.[/quote]
why?[/quote]
Because he is married to Theresa Heinz (of Heinz ketchup, like THE OWNER). Thats why.[/quote]
the comparison is not that good. i mean, its friggin ketchup! sure its a big company, but its not a big industry. but just like above, i dont know what other things heinz does besides ketchup, if you could tell me thad'd be great ^^[/quote]
Ah, now its matters of degrees?
What happened to the issue of conflict of interest that was so gleefully (and without any proof of wrong doing) applied to Cheney?
Or is this a principle of convience?[/quote]
heinz OWNS the ketchup industry, its a virtual monopoly, with mostly just store brands as competitors. but if kerry gave out big ketchup contracts (lol) i would be upset about that as well, please dont twist my words
About Theresa Heinz. She owns exactly 4% of Heinz and does not hold any position whatsoever within the company or serve on its board. The only things she runs are two charities.
Cheney still has a financial stake in Haliburton to this day.
http://money.cnn.com/2003/09/25/news/companies/cheney/?cnn=yes
I think a company that was run by the Vice President getting a 1.25 billion dollar No-Bid contract is a little more suspicious than a 4% stake in a Ketchup company. I don't think the reason for it being a no-bid contract has been answered satisfactorily, let alone the potential conflict of interest concerns.
Cheney still has a financial stake in Haliburton to this day.
http://money.cnn.com/2003/09/25/news/companies/cheney/?cnn=yes
I think a company that was run by the Vice President getting a 1.25 billion dollar No-Bid contract is a little more suspicious than a 4% stake in a Ketchup company. I don't think the reason for it being a no-bid contract has been answered satisfactorily, let alone the potential conflict of interest concerns.
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[quote name='suprsaiyanMAX'][quote name='crissy1616'](I know I might get burned for this one)
I am not sure who I am going to vote for, but it will likely be Kerry. Of course, I am not even sure why I am posting in this political debate anyway since I don't even like politics or really pay attention.......
however it is funny how one thing can make decision for one person. I am for gay marriage, and Bush is fighting against it, and that one thing makes me against him. I really wanted Howard Dean to be the Dem Candidate, but at this point gay marriage is a really important issue for me, and one that angers me in ways I cannot explain.
I am not gay myself, and I just want discrimination to end. This is another form of discrimination, like it or not. And that alone keeps me against Bush.
(That wasn't really defending Kerry, sorry again.)[/quote]
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Kerry isn't exactly a supporter of gay marriage either, he has said so. But if the question is will he actually fight against it, well nobody knows I don't think.[/quote]
Oh I know that, but you are right I would rather it be left alone than fought against. Of course, even better would be to be with it, but I won't get my hopes up.
I am not sure who I am going to vote for, but it will likely be Kerry. Of course, I am not even sure why I am posting in this political debate anyway since I don't even like politics or really pay attention.......
however it is funny how one thing can make decision for one person. I am for gay marriage, and Bush is fighting against it, and that one thing makes me against him. I really wanted Howard Dean to be the Dem Candidate, but at this point gay marriage is a really important issue for me, and one that angers me in ways I cannot explain.
I am not gay myself, and I just want discrimination to end. This is another form of discrimination, like it or not. And that alone keeps me against Bush.
(That wasn't really defending Kerry, sorry again.)[/quote]
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Kerry isn't exactly a supporter of gay marriage either, he has said so. But if the question is will he actually fight against it, well nobody knows I don't think.[/quote]
Oh I know that, but you are right I would rather it be left alone than fought against. Of course, even better would be to be with it, but I won't get my hopes up.
crissy1616
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[quote name='punqsux'][quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='CTLesq']Are you people going to demand Kerry divorce his wife or never serve ketchup at the White House because its a conflict of interest?[/quote]
if youre going to be that childish, y post?[/quote]
I was making a point. Can you see it?
People complain about Cheney having a conflict of interest with Haliburton, so lets take it to its logical conclusion.
Lets look at where Kerry has investments and see if you are willing to apply the same level of criticism and comparison.
Or is that childish?[/quote]
ill criticize any elected official that puts his own intrests in front of those of the people. but you gave no information at all, is kerry a big stock holder in the heinz corporation or something?[/quote]
If you don't know that one way or another I suggest you refrain from questioning my comments.[/quote]
why?[/quote]
Because he is married to Theresa Heinz (of Heinz ketchup, like THE OWNER). Thats why.[/quote]
the comparison is not that good. i mean, its friggin ketchup! sure its a big company, but its not a big industry. but just like above, i dont know what other things heinz does besides ketchup, if you could tell me thad'd be great ^^[/quote]
Ah, now its matters of degrees?
What happened to the issue of conflict of interest that was so gleefully (and without any proof of wrong doing) applied to Cheney?
Or is this a principle of convience?[/quote]
heinz OWNS the ketchup industry, its a virtual monopoly, with mostly just store brands as competitors. but if kerry gave out big ketchup contracts (lol) i would be upset about that as well, please dont twist my words[/quote]
Wow, this looks pretty!!! Wheeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!
if youre going to be that childish, y post?[/quote]
I was making a point. Can you see it?
People complain about Cheney having a conflict of interest with Haliburton, so lets take it to its logical conclusion.
Lets look at where Kerry has investments and see if you are willing to apply the same level of criticism and comparison.
Or is that childish?[/quote]
ill criticize any elected official that puts his own intrests in front of those of the people. but you gave no information at all, is kerry a big stock holder in the heinz corporation or something?[/quote]
If you don't know that one way or another I suggest you refrain from questioning my comments.[/quote]
why?[/quote]
Because he is married to Theresa Heinz (of Heinz ketchup, like THE OWNER). Thats why.[/quote]
the comparison is not that good. i mean, its friggin ketchup! sure its a big company, but its not a big industry. but just like above, i dont know what other things heinz does besides ketchup, if you could tell me thad'd be great ^^[/quote]
Ah, now its matters of degrees?
What happened to the issue of conflict of interest that was so gleefully (and without any proof of wrong doing) applied to Cheney?
Or is this a principle of convience?[/quote]
heinz OWNS the ketchup industry, its a virtual monopoly, with mostly just store brands as competitors. but if kerry gave out big ketchup contracts (lol) i would be upset about that as well, please dont twist my words[/quote]
Wow, this looks pretty!!! Wheeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!
CTLesq
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[quote name='dafoomie']About Theresa Heinz. She owns exactly 4% of Heinz and does not hold any position whatsoever within the company or serve on its board. The only things she runs are two charities.
Cheney still has a financial stake in Haliburton to this day.
http://money.cnn.com/2003/09/25/news/companies/cheney/?cnn=yes
I think a company that was run by the Vice President getting a 1.25 billion dollar No-Bid contract is a little more suspicious than a 4% stake in a Ketchup company. I don't think the reason for it being a no-bid contract has been answered satisfactorily, let alone the potential conflict of interest concerns.[/quote]
Let me get this straight - you can find a report that suggests there might be some continued financial interest by Cheney in Haliburton,
(which as an aside his options haven't been exercised and deferred compensation is paid for work previously done)
yet for all the talk about a no-bid contract no one can produce a report indicating it violated anything?
And what was the no-bid contract about?
Cheney still has a financial stake in Haliburton to this day.
http://money.cnn.com/2003/09/25/news/companies/cheney/?cnn=yes
I think a company that was run by the Vice President getting a 1.25 billion dollar No-Bid contract is a little more suspicious than a 4% stake in a Ketchup company. I don't think the reason for it being a no-bid contract has been answered satisfactorily, let alone the potential conflict of interest concerns.[/quote]
Let me get this straight - you can find a report that suggests there might be some continued financial interest by Cheney in Haliburton,
(which as an aside his options haven't been exercised and deferred compensation is paid for work previously done)
yet for all the talk about a no-bid contract no one can produce a report indicating it violated anything?
And what was the no-bid contract about?
GuilewasNK
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Ok, I see what you are saying now. I'd have to agree with that. I still think Bush is a better overall candidate but the stem-cell research issue is a BIG deal. I really don't like Kerry but on this issue I have to admit he is right. Stem-cell research needs to be given a chance. Although there is no guarantee, this possiblity of curing so many diseases can't be passed up. It's too bad there isn't a 3rd party candidate that is tough on terrorism but pro stem-cell. I vote for them in a heart beat.
I never said that it violated anything. I haven't accused anyone of breaking the law. I'm simply suggesting that there should be an explanation as to why: a) the contract was no-bid in the first place, and: b) why Haliburton and not another company. If they were the most qualified, then fine. They certainly have experience in 3rd world situations. But why was it no-bid at all?
There was one no-bid contract to put out oil fires worth up to 7 billion, but most likely less.
Another no-bid contract was to rebuild the oil fields for 1.25 billion
On another note, Haliburton has been accused of overcharging the government 67 million for dining halls for troops, and 61 million for gasoline.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/12/11/sprj.irq.halliburton/
And of course his options haven't been exercised. The stock price needs to go up more before they're worth anything. 433,333 stock options seems like a big financial stake though.
There was one no-bid contract to put out oil fires worth up to 7 billion, but most likely less.
Another no-bid contract was to rebuild the oil fields for 1.25 billion
On another note, Haliburton has been accused of overcharging the government 67 million for dining halls for troops, and 61 million for gasoline.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/12/11/sprj.irq.halliburton/
And of course his options haven't been exercised. The stock price needs to go up more before they're worth anything. 433,333 stock options seems like a big financial stake though.
Reasons Why I am voting for Kerry.
First and foremost I am a democrat and will support my party. Here Goes
1. From 1776 to 1980 or National Debt was at 2 Trillion. From 1980 - 1992 it increased to 9 TRILLION!!!. So, in 12 years our defecit grew an astounding 7 TRILLION. Clinton had his plan in act so that it would be eliminated over the period of a few decades. In fact the National Debt clock in times square stopped, because the debt was being eliminated. It was turned on during Dubya's first few months in office. He has now set us back about another trillion. Our kids will be paying for it. Oh and please don't come with we had to spend for the war. Look, we have had the LARGEST armed forces for a LONG TIME. If you are head and shoulders over the 2nd largest army, why continue to spend more money? There is nothing higher than #1, is there? And BTW he has actually cut the salaries of those serving.
2. Bush lied about his "No child left behind act" he is cutting 200 million from the program.
3. About the tax cuts, the top 1% of the wage earners get 50% of the money. If you are an average Joe Schmoe you only get $300. All the while this is setting the economy back BIG TIME.
4. Weapons of Mass destruction?? Where are they??
5. Osama Bin Laden, where is he?
6. It is obvious that the guy does not read above a 9th grade level. We can't possibly have a guy that is a CONVICTED drunk driver and former coke head.
Why will I vote for Kerry? Mainly because I am a democrat, while I don't think he will do great things for our country, he most certainly is better than Bush. Programs like Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid/, Welfare, Headstart, etc. were all created by Democrats and thrive better in an administration headed by one. Even though I am well off I like to look out for the little guy, not greedy ,rich corporations.
If you are an average Joe who makes 40 - 50k a year and are a republican, you have some serious issues. You should reconsider your party platform, unless you have conservative views and tie Christianity with being a Republican
www.dubyaspeak.com (Check out some of the sutff that comes out of this guys mouth)
First and foremost I am a democrat and will support my party. Here Goes
1. From 1776 to 1980 or National Debt was at 2 Trillion. From 1980 - 1992 it increased to 9 TRILLION!!!. So, in 12 years our defecit grew an astounding 7 TRILLION. Clinton had his plan in act so that it would be eliminated over the period of a few decades. In fact the National Debt clock in times square stopped, because the debt was being eliminated. It was turned on during Dubya's first few months in office. He has now set us back about another trillion. Our kids will be paying for it. Oh and please don't come with we had to spend for the war. Look, we have had the LARGEST armed forces for a LONG TIME. If you are head and shoulders over the 2nd largest army, why continue to spend more money? There is nothing higher than #1, is there? And BTW he has actually cut the salaries of those serving.
2. Bush lied about his "No child left behind act" he is cutting 200 million from the program.
3. About the tax cuts, the top 1% of the wage earners get 50% of the money. If you are an average Joe Schmoe you only get $300. All the while this is setting the economy back BIG TIME.
4. Weapons of Mass destruction?? Where are they??
5. Osama Bin Laden, where is he?
6. It is obvious that the guy does not read above a 9th grade level. We can't possibly have a guy that is a CONVICTED drunk driver and former coke head.
Why will I vote for Kerry? Mainly because I am a democrat, while I don't think he will do great things for our country, he most certainly is better than Bush. Programs like Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid/, Welfare, Headstart, etc. were all created by Democrats and thrive better in an administration headed by one. Even though I am well off I like to look out for the little guy, not greedy ,rich corporations.
If you are an average Joe who makes 40 - 50k a year and are a republican, you have some serious issues. You should reconsider your party platform, unless you have conservative views and tie Christianity with being a Republican
www.dubyaspeak.com (Check out some of the sutff that comes out of this guys mouth)
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Reason why I'm voting for myself:
1. I'm really cute once you get to know me
2. I'll make sure I make Puerto Rico a state(YOU WILL PAY TAXES AND SERVE ME CAKES)
3. I'm not all old and impotent
4. I won't have a First Lady to nag me, I'll just have 52 "First Bitches" (one for each state, including the new state of Puerto Rico) to sample in the oval office, green room etc.
5.I'll create more jobs by force. See how long a CEO can last when I go "Boot Stomp Crazy" on his coin-bag testicles.
6. I'll invade every country, solely out of spite.
7. Come to think of it, I'll make Canada a state too
8. I'll adopt Maddox's stance on abortion. I'm against abortion but FOR killing babies. And old people....And Jessica Simpson
9. I'll keep smoking, drinking, and guns (especially heavy artillery) legal for a good long time. Everyone in America will be issued a machine gun just for the hell of it.
10. I will enact enviromental laws to keep animals safe and fed.....providing they can outrun the combines and Chainsaw-Tanks. It'll be a national event. If they win, they get saved. If they lose, they'l feed the homeless.
11. I will end all homelessness by sending bums to the moon, via catapault. Unless they can dance or do something else to entertain me. If they have mental disabilities, they will be given jobs at Wal-Mart.
I'll be back later with more on my platform. Remember:"Reality's Fringe for 2004!"
1. I'm really cute once you get to know me
2. I'll make sure I make Puerto Rico a state(YOU WILL PAY TAXES AND SERVE ME CAKES)
3. I'm not all old and impotent
4. I won't have a First Lady to nag me, I'll just have 52 "First Bitches" (one for each state, including the new state of Puerto Rico) to sample in the oval office, green room etc.
5.I'll create more jobs by force. See how long a CEO can last when I go "Boot Stomp Crazy" on his coin-bag testicles.
6. I'll invade every country, solely out of spite.
7. Come to think of it, I'll make Canada a state too
8. I'll adopt Maddox's stance on abortion. I'm against abortion but FOR killing babies. And old people....And Jessica Simpson
9. I'll keep smoking, drinking, and guns (especially heavy artillery) legal for a good long time. Everyone in America will be issued a machine gun just for the hell of it.
10. I will enact enviromental laws to keep animals safe and fed.....providing they can outrun the combines and Chainsaw-Tanks. It'll be a national event. If they win, they get saved. If they lose, they'l feed the homeless.
11. I will end all homelessness by sending bums to the moon, via catapault. Unless they can dance or do something else to entertain me. If they have mental disabilities, they will be given jobs at Wal-Mart.
I'll be back later with more on my platform. Remember:"Reality's Fringe for 2004!"
MrBadExample
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[quote name='hardwo0d']Also, Mr. George W. Bush will become the first president to finish his first term with a NET LOSS in jobs. That's right folks.[/quote]
I thought he was just the first since Hoover and the Great Depression which is still a very bad track record to be running on.
I thought he was just the first since Hoover and the Great Depression which is still a very bad track record to be running on.
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The thing about jobs started well before Bush 41. Bush 40 AND Clinton were supporters of NAFTA. What we see today is the tail end of it. I live in an area that has been hit HARD by it so I know what I am talking about. We have lost probably 50,000 jobs in the last 5 or so years. It isn't the President's responsiblity to get more jobs in, it the local officials. The fact of the matter is that citizens need to learn how to save and invest so that situations like this won't hit so hard.
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Whoever said that low paying jobs was going overseas was seriously wrong. The jobs going overseas range from $10 an hour phone support people, which is a hell of alot better than the $6.50 an hour walmart jobs that are replacing them, to $80 an hour contract programming work. And if you consider 160k a year jobs to be low paying, you're obviously much better off than I am. Before Bush took office my friend was making $60-$80 an hour, now he's doing contract work pro bono. Good times.
If Kerry does only 10% of what he says, which someone suggested is what he'll do, it's still alot better than Bush. At least Kerry'll stop the economical bleeding if not heal the wounds, while Bush is the one jabbing knives into the heart of our economy.
I also find it interesting to note that Reagan's son said he'd never vote for Bush and basically compared him to Osama Bin Laden by saying Bush justified his war on religious grounds which is something Osama would do.
If Kerry does only 10% of what he says, which someone suggested is what he'll do, it's still alot better than Bush. At least Kerry'll stop the economical bleeding if not heal the wounds, while Bush is the one jabbing knives into the heart of our economy.
I also find it interesting to note that Reagan's son said he'd never vote for Bush and basically compared him to Osama Bin Laden by saying Bush justified his war on religious grounds which is something Osama would do.
[quote name='crissy1616'](I know I might get burned for this one)
I am not sure who I am going to vote for, but it will likely be Kerry. Of course, I am not even sure why I am posting in this political debate anyway since I don't even like politics or really pay attention.......
however it is funny how one thing can make decision for one person. I am for gay marriage, and Bush is fighting against it, and that one thing makes me against him. I really wanted Howard Dean to be the Dem Candidate, but at this point gay marriage is a really important issue for me, and one that angers me in ways I cannot explain.
I am not gay myself, and I just want discrimination to end. This is another form of discrimination, like it or not. And that alone keeps me against Bush.
(That wasn't really defending Kerry, sorry again.)[/quote]
hey I thought I was the only dean CAG supporter. I would have loved to vote for him but it just wasn't in the cards. But I have way too many problems with bush. I'm voting Kerry, there are too many things I dislike about bush, the gay and war issues are more then enough for me to hate bush.
I am not sure who I am going to vote for, but it will likely be Kerry. Of course, I am not even sure why I am posting in this political debate anyway since I don't even like politics or really pay attention.......
however it is funny how one thing can make decision for one person. I am for gay marriage, and Bush is fighting against it, and that one thing makes me against him. I really wanted Howard Dean to be the Dem Candidate, but at this point gay marriage is a really important issue for me, and one that angers me in ways I cannot explain.
I am not gay myself, and I just want discrimination to end. This is another form of discrimination, like it or not. And that alone keeps me against Bush.
(That wasn't really defending Kerry, sorry again.)[/quote]
hey I thought I was the only dean CAG supporter. I would have loved to vote for him but it just wasn't in the cards. But I have way too many problems with bush. I'm voting Kerry, there are too many things I dislike about bush, the gay and war issues are more then enough for me to hate bush.
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[quote name='Squirms']I have heard tons of bush bashing on this site. Since the question was posed as to why us conservative like President Bush, I ask all the Kerry supporters, what makes John Kerry a better candidate for the presidency?[/quote]
For starters I would like for him to do the exact opposite of everything Bush has done except for Afghanistan.
For starters I would like for him to do the exact opposite of everything Bush has done except for Afghanistan.
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