Knicks-Nuggets Brawl From December 16

hiccupleftovers

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http://www.break.com/index/knicks_nuggets_brawl.html

I didn't see any thread on this and thought this was major enough that it deserved its own. This is simply attrocious. Basketball is my favorite sport, always has been and always will be, but stuff like this shit really second guesses my love of the game. They really need to get this shit under control. And look at that wimp Carmelo Anthony and his backpedalling toward the end. An absolute chicken dog. If he's gonna throw a punch then he should at least take one as well. But who cares, Denver's going down in a blaze this year and my Lakers are doing pretty good.
 
Right after he throws the punch it looks like he starts backing away. What a coward. (Anthony, of course.)

First time I've seen that. Heard some buddies talking about this, nice to finally see it.
 
Nate Robinson scared him off even more. Gotta love the throwing a punch all the while retreating. At least Artest, Jackson and O'Neal stepped into their punches.
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']Nate Robinson scared him off even more. Gotta love the throwing a punch all the while retreating. At least Artest, Jackson and O'Neal stepped into their punches.[/quote]

Shit yaeh. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I have a tiny (exponentially small) bit of respect for Artest now. At least he got decked (if memory serves me right) as well.

This is the first time I had heard anything about this fight. I haven't seen it on ESPN or CNN all day. Glad to finally be able to see it. I only knew that a lot of players were ejected from that game
 
I love b-ball. I just don't love the overpaid idiots who forget they're being paid shitloads of money to play a fucking game.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']Shit yaeh. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I have a tiny (exponentially small) bit of respect for Artest now. At least he got decked (if memory serves me right) as well.
[/QUOTE]

Don't get me wrong what Artest did was wrong but it was just natural reaction. How would you feel if you are sitting at your desk at work and next thing you know someone threw a cup of water at you..wouldn't you get pissed?

As for this Basketbrawl.. well it was awful. Carmelo Anthony is a punk, hes a good ball player but he is a punk. No wonder Jordan didn't want him on the Jordan brand. Isiah Thomas and Nate Robinson are also out of their mind! Blame it on the Nuggets because they were running the score? "We surrendered already, Carmelo shouldn't be playing when they are already 19 points up" Whaaaaa!Bullshit.. Nuggets can do what ever the shit they want, yeah its unsportsmanlike, but there is no rule/law against it. Isiah's comment makes me think that he called for Collins to commit the Flagrant foul.. Isiah even called it a CLEAN foul..there is nothing CLEAN about it, it was a foul that could have really hurt J.R. Smith.

Well thanks Mr. Isiah, because now..your team, which is already BAD as it is, may even sink lower if its POSSIBLE after all the suspensions are handed out. Thanks again, because this will all but assure my hometown Bulls to get the best odds of getting the #1 pick.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers'] And look at that wimp Carmelo Anthony and his backpedalling toward the end. An absolute chicken dog. If he's gonna throw a punch then he should at least take one as well. [/QUOTE]

Thats the dumbest thing I ever read. It's basically saying when two people in a Boxing Match, they should just stand there and each throw one punch at a time just to make it fair.

The whole point of fighting it to KO the other dude without getting KO'ed yourself. Being Backpedalling to not get hit is fine. I'm not sure about you but I dislike greatly getting punched.
 
This was not as bad as the Artest thing. The players got into a scuffle and someone took a cheap shot, but that's not as bad as fucking flying into the crowd like a madman and attacking a fan that didn't even do anything.

Don't get me wrong what Artest did was wrong but it was just natural reaction.
Maybe if you're a dickhead. Me, I don't think I'd charge into the crowd and attack someone I *thought* may have thrown something at me.
 
I agree with the whole post by FlipSide. His comments make me think he wanted that flagrant foul to happen. He will be out of coaching by the end of the year or before it's over. He has done a terrible job for the Knicks in the front office and now on the court. As for Carmelo I still think he was wrong. Even though his punch was laughable (looked more like a slap punch). He did run away after a sucker punch which I think does make him a little bit of a coward. I understand you don't want to stand there and get punched but there are other ways of avoiding to get hit then running away like he did. Anyway the whole thing is just a disgrace to basketball.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']http://www.break.com/index/knicks_nuggets_brawl.html

I didn't see any thread on this and thought this was major enough that it deserved its own. This is simply attrocious. Basketball is my favorite sport, always has been and always will be, but stuff like this shit really second guesses my love of the game. They really need to get this shit under control. And look at that wimp Carmelo Anthony and his backpedalling toward the end. An absolute chicken dog. If he's gonna throw a punch then he should at least take one as well. But who cares, Denver's going down in a blaze this year and my Lakers are doing pretty good.[/quote]

Damn Hiccup, I've always liked you as a poster, but I was about to jump down your throat for this one, as I've become a big Carmelo Anthony fan as of late. I was about to say you are punk, bitch, little gay, worse than Michael Jackson! Like the Iron Sheik would have, but after watching this clip (yet again) but this time far more closely, I see that Anthony is... well... a little bitch! I mean, he started backpeddling almost the second he made contact with Mardy Collins. What's up with that? Damn. I guess he's back in the dog house again.

I've got a lot more to say about this all, but I just wanted to get that off my horseshoes first, good lookin' out there Hiccup, I appreciate it. Now I won't sound like an idiot talking about this to any of my friends later.
 
[quote name='SpeedyG']Try reading The Wiki For Carmelo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmelo_Anthony[/quote]

"Footage shows Anthony punched New York's Mardy Collins in the face and then backed up to mid court while keeping a vicious look on his face becuase he realized that he had a responsibility to his team to not escalate the situation. Once in the locker room, Anthony was b***h slapped by the ball boy and his jersey was stolen. The ball boy then proceeded to peckerslap Anthony in the face for several minutes until a security guard came to his aid at which point he claimed it was ok and he liked it."
 
The NBA is a putrid league full of whiny rich bastards that don't deserve 1/10th of what they get.
At least in the NHL (hockey being the only sport left for tough guys in North America) if two players want to get into a fight they're allowed to settle their differences and then they have to sit down for a bit. This type of behaviour has no purpose in basketball and only further shows that the NBA and it's "hip-hop culture" are sore spots and need to go away.
 
Earl Boykins and Andre Miller are gonna have to really step up their games if this team stands a chance of winning with a Melo-less Nuggets. According to rotoworld.com Melo could be gone for 10-15 games.
 
Suspensions (games):

Nuggets: Melo (15), JR Smith (10), Nene (1)
Knicks: Nate Robinson (10), Collins (6), Jeffries (4), James (1)

Both clubs were fined $500,000
 
[quote name='BlaqRenaissance']Suspensions (games):

Nuggets: Melo (15), JR Smith (10), Nene (1)
Knicks: Nate Robinson (10), Collins (6), Jeffries (4), James (1)

Both clubs were fined $500,000[/QUOTE]


Yup just read that off of espn. Nuggets are screwed for at least a few weeks and Melo's chances at the all-star game are shot.

Knicks didn't lose anyone big but still hurts them.


Bulls come up big for this one...we have the right to swap picks with the knicks top pick and we hold on to 2 second rounders from the Nuggets.
John Paxson saw this a mile away.
 
Alright more Horse thoughts on the situation:

First and foremost this one is tough, there's a couple real bitches in this one.

Chris Sheridan (another idiot from ESPN) has his take on this all, so I'll attempt to offer my take, as to what should happen and what the league will do with each of the guys ejected from the game +1 special idiot:

Denver Nuggets

1. Carmelo Anthony - Carmelo was finally breaking his cry-baby poor sport image, by leading the league in scoring, and stepping up as Denver's go-to guy. He was a shoe-in for the all-star team this year after getting snubbed in each of his previous two seasons. His cowardly sucker punch was just as bad as the tackle Collins laid on JR Smith to start this. If this were LeBron or Wade they'd probably only get a game, since David Stern jerks off to their images every night no doubt, but it's Anthony, so he's going to get at least 5. To his (street) credit Anthony did make Channing Frye look like a bitch by easily tossing him to the floor at the beginning of the fight. In my opinion he should get 5 for the punch, 3 for the shoving, and throwing Frye to the ground and another 2 for being such a coward. What Anthony did had all the maturity of your little brother smacking you and running and hiding behind mommy. I believe the league will see it fit to give Anthony the 10 game suspension he deserves.

2. Eduardo Najera - He was actually trying to hold back Jared Jeffries at one point, although Jeffries looks like he weighs about 105lbs. Anyhow, he did get a push in or two, and that should certainly get him a game or two. My guess is the league will give him a deserved 2 game suspension.

3. Andre Miller - Why was he ejected!?! Miller did absolutely nothing, but stand there with the suits and kept out of the way of this ugly affair. If anything the money the other players lose should go to Miller for doing what the league would want a player to do during a fight. I think he shouldn't be suspended at all, and hopefully he won't be. Alas, since he was ejected, I have to believe the league will give him 1 game, because the NBA is retarded.

4. Marcus Camby - Marcus wasn't too involved in this one up until Anthony's sucker punch. He attempted to keep Anthony away from the Knicks players, but a running retard (Jeffries) knocked him on his ass. Getting knocked over by Jared Jeffries should gets him a game from me just for being a pussy, I'm banking on the league giving him a game simply for his involvement on the court, possibly 2, but most likely a 1 game suspension here.

5. JR Smith - Can you really fault JR Smith for anything he did? I mean honestly, if it were up to me he wouldn't get suspended a game. Mardy Collins took a cheap shot at him, and deserved to get punched. If I were JR Smith I would've got up and ripped Collins head off and shit down his throat. Then Nate Robinson wanted in on it too, what gives? What did Smith say to those guys... or rather Isiah say to them :roll: Anyway, in the NBA there are retaliation penalties, and I'm sure Smith's actions won't be overlooked. Had he got up and walked away there's no fight, although part of me believes Nate Robinson jumping right up behind him made any escape less plausible. Either way he attempted to tackle the midget and for that he'll miss a few games. Smith is probably going to get 6 to 8 games from the NBA for his part in this brawl. I'll go with 7 to be safe, although I still feel he shouldn't be suspended at all.

New York Knicks (in order of bad to worse...)

1. David Lee - David Lee should've kept a tighter grip on JR Smith before he tackled the midget! Lee was definitely trying to play peace-maker, but at the same time he was definitely physically involved and that deserves a game at least. My guess is the league is going to give him a 2 game suspension, although Stern loves white boys so maybe it'll only be 1 game, or hell maybe even none.

2. Channing Frye - Frye should be kicked out of the league for getting tossed on his ass like a bitch by Anthony. People that soft belong in the WNBA. He had a chance to retaliate and take a cheap shot at Anthony before Anthony hit Collins, so for not doing that and for what looked like trying to pull Robinson and Smith apart when they went into the stands, I'd have to assume Frye won't be hit too hard. I'd wager a 2 game suspension is in order here as well.

3. Jared Jeffries - Another guy that should be kicked out of the NBA and sent into... the circus! For looking like a damn fool chasing after Anthony and falling on his face, knocking over Marcus Camby in the process. That action will get him at least a couple games. He also shoved Anthony at one point during the brawl, seemingly unprovoked and that's going to add to his suspension. He looked like such an idiot while he was being "held back" ya right, you're a buck o' five tops, no one needs to hold Jeffries back, he was probably hoping someone would hold him back :lol: Anyway, my guess is he'll get 5 games. Probably would've got only a game or two had he not run out into the middle of the court like an idiot.

4. Nate Robinson - :lol: I just have to laugh here, because honestly what is this midget going to do to you? If Robinson came after me, I'd grab him by the throat and kill him, on the spot, no questions and asked, that'd be it. Since you can't do that in the NBA, which is a pity, we'll have to pardon JR Smith for not knocking Robinson out. Nate definitely lost any respect I had for him after he blocked Yao Ming, when he instantly was ready to fight JR Smith, after that thug Mardy Collins leveled JR. Robinson starts off shoving Smith which is where the fighting really took off. He doesn't do that, the officials may have been able to diffuse this situation. Then Robinson was clearly talking shit and throwing punches into the air. Before JR Smith rushed him and they went into the crowd. To his credit he was smart enough to run over by Andre Miller after nearly getting killed in that dogpile and a haymaker from JR Smith, but then he was ready to fight Anthony at mid-court. The NBA doesn't need guys like this. First off he shouldn't be allowed to defend his dunk contest championship, an absolute sham that he won anyway, and second he should get at least 10 games. Since he was one of Isiah's goons in this, I think a suspension of 20+ games would be fitting. My guess is the league gives this goofy little midget 10 games to sit at home and wish he was a little bit taller.

5. Mardy Collins - This guy should be gone. That's it, gone period. He's only 22 years old right now, and he's just a common thug. Either he (or Isiah) had him commit a similiar attack on one of Indiana's players the night before. There's no place for trash like this in the NBA, and he's basically just out there to hurt somebody, not to play basketball. In a way that's entertaining to me, but I know when I play basketball I hate idiots like that. I truly believe Collins should be suspended for the rest of the season. After that he'll be done, because no one will pick up a piece of shit like him. He was clearly only in the game to hurt somebody, and he could've seriously injured JR Smith. I only wish Carmelo wasn't such a pussy and would've hit him a lot harder than he did. My guess is the league gives him 15 games, not that it matters as he averages only 3.6 a game.

6. Isiah Thomas - And we come to the true scum of the earth... There's a reason John Stockton played on the Dream Team while Isiah Thomas sat at home. No it wasn't because John was better, Isiah could've lit up Stockton with both of his legs broken. It was because Isiah was a dirty player, and had wronged Michael Jordan in the past. I've always been a huge Isiah fan, I've always laughed at everything he did that was screwy in the past, like killing the CBA, to now running the Knicks into the ground. Alas, this was the last straw. Isiah is a dirty, dirty player and a dirty person. I hate to say these things as Isiah has been my hero since I was a kid... but they're all true. If Isiah hadn't ordered Collins to make that hit, none of this would've happened.

Anthony says Thomas, who was angry that the Nuggets were still playing four starters despite being up 19 with less than two minutes left, told him a minute or so before the brawl that he should stay out of the paint -- pretty much a warning that a hard foul was coming. That would make Thomas culpable for helping incite the brawl, and instigators never get off lightly with Stu and his boss, David Stern.

What kind of person does that? What kind of guy leads his team off the floor back in 1991 after the Bulls finally beat Detroit in the Eastern Conference Finals? It wasn't Bill Laimbeer that gave us that image alone, Isiah Thomas was and still is as cutthroat as they come, and unfortunately for him he's nowhere near as good of a coach or a businessman as he was player.

Pat Riley once said of Thomas, that he'd rip your heart out right and step on it right at center court, all with that big smile on his face.

Ugh, Isiah, you've really let me down this time. I don't think Isiah should be suspended for a single game. I think he should have to suffer behind the Knicks bench for the rest of this season. Then at the end of it Isiah will finally be fired and shipped out of New York and out of the NBA. No owner will ever take another chance on Isiah after how badly he has messed up the Knicks. His punishment will ultimately be displaced and black listed from the game he so dearly loves.
 
[quote name='BlaqRenaissance']Suspensions (games):

Nuggets: Melo (15), JR Smith (10), Nene (1)
Knicks: Nate Robinson (10), Collins (6), Jeffries (4), James (1)

Both clubs were fined $500,000[/quote]

:shock: That is absolutely retarded. I'm glad to see Camby and Andre Miller didn't get suspended, but come on Najera, Frye, and David Lee should've all at least got a one game suspension.

I can agree with Melo's suspension, Smith's is way too long though.

James and Nene got that 1 game suspension for coming off the bench right? Makes sense.

Jeffries is about right I guess, I put him at 5, so 4 is close. Maybe a deduction of 1 game since he fell over and looked like such an idiot, that the NBA felt bad for him?

Robinson should've got a longer suspension for sure, and Mardy Collins only getting 6 games is assinine. None of that shit would've ever happened had it not been for Collins. I don't care if Thomas is giving the orders, Collins pulled the trigger. I almost hope that Collins cripples someone, someone like the notoriously dirty Bruce Bowen, or better yet Dikembe Mutumbo! Then the NBA will regret not getting this street thug out of their league.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Robinson should've got a longer suspension for sure, and Mardy Collins only getting 6 games is assinine. None of that shit would've ever happened had it not been for Collins. I don't care if Thomas is giving the orders, Collins pulled the trigger. I almost hope that Collins cripples someone, someone like the notoriously dirty Bruce Bowen, or better yet Dikembe Mutumbo! Then the NBA will regret not getting this street thug out of their league.[/QUOTE]

I agree Robinson and Collins should have gotten longer suspensions. If you watched the knicks previous game, Collins did the same damn thing on a break away layup as they were already down by double digits that almost started a fight. Melo deserve more than 15, not because he sucker punched but because he jump started the fight again when things was already calming down. I say give him 20, give Collins and Robinson 15... and this is just me BAN Zeke (Isiah)..he cant coach anyway so everyone wins!
 
Why ban Isiah and punish someone else with the current Knicks team? Isiah will be fired after this year, and black-listed from the NBA, as everything he touches (from a business standpoint) turns to garbage.
 
[quote name='pimpinc333']Thats the dumbest thing I ever read. It's basically saying when two people in a Boxing Match, they should just stand there and each throw one punch at a time just to make it fair.

The whole point of fighting it to KO the other dude without getting KO'ed yourself. Being Backpedalling to not get hit is fine. I'm not sure about you but I dislike greatly getting punched.[/quote]

No, it's called cowardice in this scenario. In a boxing fight you know what's coming to you. You're expecting punches, that's what you do. What Anthony did was come into the brawl sucker punch a player and that start running for the hills when that player started to go after Anthony.
 
[quote name='SpeedyG']Try reading The Wiki For Carmelo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmelo_Anthony[/quote]

Must have missed the fun as it's locked now. Still I see you quoted parts of it:

[quote name='sixersballernum3']"Footage shows Anthony punched New York's Mardy Collins in the face and then backed up to mid court while keeping a vicious look on his face becuase he realized that he had a responsibility to his team to not escalate the situation. Once in the locker room, Anthony was b***h slapped by the ball boy and his jersey was stolen. The ball boy then proceeded to peckerslap Anthony in the face for several minutes until a security guard came to his aid at which point he claimed it was ok and he liked it."[/quote]

:rofl:
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']:shock: That is absolutely retarded. I'm glad to see Camby and Andre Miller didn't get suspended, but come on Najera, Frye, and David Lee should've all at least got a one game suspension.

I can agree with Melo's suspension, Smith's is way too long though.

James and Nene got that 1 game suspension for coming off the bench right? Makes sense.

Jeffries is about right I guess, I put him at 5, so 4 is close. Maybe a deduction of 1 game since he fell over and looked like such an idiot, that the NBA felt bad for him?

Robinson should've got a longer suspension for sure, and Mardy Collins only getting 6 games is assinine. None of that shit would've ever happened had it not been for Collins. I don't care if Thomas is giving the orders, Collins pulled the trigger. I almost hope that Collins cripples someone, someone like the notoriously dirty Bruce Bowen, or better yet Dikembe Mutumbo! Then the NBA will regret not getting this street thug out of their league.[/quote]

I would have given Najera, Frye, and Lee more than just one game. More like 2-3 for their parts, but I think the league held back because if they suspended most of the players on either squad then they probably wouldn't have any players at all to play with.

Marcus Camby and Andre Miller are both excellent players and for all intents and purposes seem to be good-hearted and good-natured basketball players. They play the game the way it's meant to be played so I can agree with your comments on those two.

Carmelo's suspension is far too mild IMO. Because of him the fight could have been a hell of a lot worse and his punch was almost after the fact and totally unnecessary. 20-25 game suspension at least were in order for him

James and Nene sounds right and I agree with your Jeffries coment.

Robinson and Collins should have been suspended for the entire season as with Smith even though he was merely retaliating and I can see where he was coming from in defense, but regardless. The league should have made a statement.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Damn Hiccup, I've always liked you as a poster, but I was about to jump down your throat for this one, as I've become a big Carmelo Anthony fan as of late. I was about to say you are punk, bitch, little gay, worse than Michael Jackson! Like the Iron Sheik would have, but after watching this clip (yet again) but this time far more closely, I see that Anthony is... well... a little bitch! I mean, he started backpeddling almost the second he made contact with Mardy Collins. What's up with that? Damn. I guess he's back in the dog house again.

I've got a lot more to say about this all, but I just wanted to get that off my horseshoes first, good lookin' out there Hiccup, I appreciate it. Now I won't sound like an idiot talking about this to any of my friends later.[/quote]
Trust me, it hurt me quite a bit to come out against Carmelo as I've actually been a fan of his since he, Lebron and Dwayne came into the league. I've always hated the Denver Nuggets and thought of them as a weak team, but he kind of turned me into not to say a fan, but at least a person who could stomach Denver basketball. I actually liked him more than Lebron at the time, but as time has past I've found him to be a weak player that personifies the league's image problems. Don't get me wrong he's not a horrible or bad player, but just does not deserve all the accolades he receives IMO. This fight was the final nail in the coffin for me. I just think that if you're going to jump into the mix like that and instigate the continuance of the fight than you should be ready to get some. It was an absolute sign of cowardice on his part and ridiculous at that. It was absolutely unnecessary of him to throw that punch.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']I would have given Najera, Frye, and Lee more than just one game. More like 2-3 for their parts, but I think the league held back because if they suspended most of the players on either squad then they probably wouldn't have any players at all to play with.

Marcus Camby and Andre Miller are both excellent players and for all intents and purposes seem to be good-hearted and good-natured basketball players. They play the game the way it's meant to be played so I can agree with your comments on those two.

Carmelo's suspension is far too mild IMO. Because of him the fight could have been a hell of a lot worse and his punch was almost after the fact and totally unnecessary. 20-25 game suspension at least were in order for him

James and Nene sounds right and I agree with your Jeffries coment.

Robinson and Collins should have been suspended for the entire season as with Smith even though he was merely retaliating and I can see where he was coming from in defense, but regardless. The league should have made a statement.[/quote]

The NBA could've issued suspensions for all the players on both teams if they wanted, using the Knicks/Heat play-off series from back in ze day as a reference. I'm pretty sure it was those two teams back in oh say the mid-late 90s that got into a big play-off bruhahaha. The way it worked was certain players from the Knicks & Heat missed game 5&6 and other players missed games 6&7 or was it 4, 5 & 6 that were the issue? I forget, look it up!

Either way certain guys had to sit out the next game, so in this case after certain Nuggets/Knicks served their suspensions other ones could sit, or maybe do a certain players are suspended for home games while others for road games, to maintain revenues! Woo hoo, go Stern go.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']Trust me, it hurt me quite a bit to come out against Carmelo as I've actually been a fan of his since he, Lebron and Dwayne came into the league. I've always hated the Denver Nuggets and thought of them as a weak team, but he kind of turned me into not to say a fan, but at least a person who could stomach Denver basketball. I actually liked him more than Lebron at the time, but as time has past I've found him to be a weak player that personifies the league's image problems. Don't get me wrong he's not a horrible or bad player, but just does not deserve all the accolades he receives IMO. This fight was the final nail in the coffin for me. I just think that if you're going to jump into the mix like that and instigate the continuance of the fight than you should be ready to get some. It was an absolute sign of cowardice on his part and ridiculous at that. It was absolutely unnecessary of him to throw that punch.[/quote]

Same for me too, except I can't stand LeBron or Wade anymore because David Stern is so obsessed with those two. After the whole phantom out of bounds play where a ball late in a game clearly went off LeBron's hands but the camera angle cut it out, I started to really dislike Bron Bron.

As for Wade, it was the 20 free throws per game (literally) in the NBA Finals that made me hate him and the NBA so much now. The way the Heat won the NBA title was a sham, should've been Dallas all the way, but that asshole Stern hates Cuban and loves him some Shaq, Riley & Wade penis. Anyway, I definitely think much less of Melo now.

Actually of all the top picks in that amazing draft, I was always partial to Kaman from that group, but that's probably because I went to college with him.
 
I think we're missing the most important aspect of this whole debacle. It was easy to miss, but let's not forget the hot woman sitting behind Isiah Thomas when they taped him telling 'Melo to stay out of the paint.
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']I think we're missing the most important aspect of this whole debacle. It was easy to miss, but let's not forget the hot woman sitting behind Isiah Thomas when they taped him telling 'Melo to stay out of the paint.[/QUOTE]
I missed this, damn.

Anyway Isiah is an asshole.
 
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