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The Ultimate Warrior and Randy Savage..?

I'm even more surprised that Hogan listed Savage as one of his choices.

Mike Tyson? Mr. T?

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King Curtis is easily one of the greatest talkers in wrestling history - his stuff as Sullivan's master didn't even scratch the surface of how great he was. Rebecca is apparently dating Batista, who is going through a divorce with his previously cancer-stricken wife.
 
[quote name='Brak']Mike Tyson? Mr. T?

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"Celebrity wing." Mr. T is pretty deserving in that regard, being in the first WM main event.

What's sad is, Cyndi Lauper was by far the most important celebrity in regards to the "RNW Connection" during the 80's, but apparently she doesn't want to be associated with wrestling. I don't think she would accept the invite to go in.

No Bruno on the list. Christ, couldn't they at least put his name on the list, even if there is no intent to put him in? The Brooklyn Brawler? I hope that's a joke. Maybe Iron Mike Sharpe can induct him, before being brought in himself. Maybe it's an error and he's actually going into the Pat Patterson's Love Slave Hall of Fame.


Curtis Iaukea was fucking AMAZING, but I don't know if he's someone that should be in the HoF. I guess if Nikolai Volkoff is in...

Here's a classic promo from King Curtis. Funny how he can talk about the stuff he's talking about, and still come off more realistic than 90% of the WWE roster.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_1Z9Dj6tdw[/media]
 
Good God was Smackdown incredible tonight. Benoit and Kennedy had their best meeting yet, and it's impossible for Regal and Taylor to have a bad match with Londrick. I was impressed with how good Vito-MVP ended up being, and while much of that was due to the focus on MVP's burnt back, it's also due to MVP acting like a main eventer. He's come a long with in just a few shorts months in WWE, and considering that he took about a month off to sell the back, it's even more impressive. JBL rattled off mentions of Windham, the Bossman slam, Stu Hart, AND Bret Hart tonight, and despite a few being off (Bob Orton Jr. popularized the superplex, not Windham, and Stu never did the sharpshooter, and Tatanka's move is more of a Rock bottom than a Bossman slam, he was still awesome).

The usual assortment of quotes from the show -
"Joey Mercury with a face mask, POSSIBLY FOR PROTECTION!"
"He's not a registered redneck. You need to register to be a redneck? No, but I think he might need to register to be a citizen of this country."
"This is like Brisco vs Strongbow... Brisco was an Indian, so your analogy is all screwed up. Brisco's from Oklahoma, you don't know what he is. Fine, it's like Murdoch vs. Strongbow, over a bottle of moonshine.".
"Are you saying that everyone from Georgia is a redneck? Martin Luther King Jr. was from Georgia, and he wasn't a redneck, he was a great civil rights leader. Ron Simmons was from Georgia, and he wasn't a redneck. Ron Simmons is a good friend of mine. No he's not!".
"I deserve a better partner, but I don't get it, and I don't complain. YOU DESERVE A CYANIDE TABLET IS WHAT YOU DESERVE! If you want that short sidekick back, you can have him.".
"If Vito wins, I'm done. I'm hanging up my boots!".
"If Vito had won, Lou Thesz, Arnold Skaaland, and Jack Brisco would've all committed hari kari.".
[Miz comes out to face 'Taker] "I LOVE IT. Take that you Red Rooster-lookin' reality show reject. BEAT HIM UNDERTAKER, BEAT HIM! Gimmie an 'ooh rah', gimmie an ooh rah now!".
 
[quote name='guyver2077']Its only a matter of time....

the people have spoken :)[/QUOTE]

Yeah. We badly want a...

Fake Razor Ramon and Fake Diesel topic!
 
[quote name='Roufuss']And please, there are already 2 shows with just wrestling and shit storylines, I'm glad this one is going over the top, in order to differentiate itself.[/QUOTE]

Damn it Roufuss its quotes like this that make me wonder how the hell you consider yourself to be Emo.
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan']Good God was Smackdown incredible tonight. Benoit and Kennedy had their best meeting yet, and it's impossible for Regal and Taylor to have a bad match with Londrick. I was impressed with how good Vito-MVP ended up being, and while much of that was due to the focus on MVP's burnt back, it's also due to MVP acting like a main eventer. He's come a long with in just a few shorts months in WWE, and considering that he took about a month off to sell the back, it's even more impressive. JBL rattled off mentions of Windham, the Bossman slam, Stu Hart, AND Bret Hart tonight, and despite a few being off (Bob Orton Jr. popularized the superplex, not Windham, and Stu never did the sharpshooter, and Tatanka's move is more of a Rock bottom than a Bossman slam, he was still awesome).

The usual assortment of quotes from the show -
"Joey Mercury with a face mask, POSSIBLY FOR PROTECTION!"
"He's not a registered redneck. You need to register to be a redneck? No, but I think he might need to register to be a citizen of this country."
"This is like Brisco vs Strongbow... Brisco was an Indian, so your analogy is all screwed up. Brisco's from Oklahoma, you don't know what he is. Fine, it's like Murdoch vs. Strongbow, over a bottle of moonshine.".
"Are you saying that everyone from Georgia is a redneck? Martin Luther King Jr. was from Georgia, and he wasn't a redneck, he was a great civil rights leader. Ron Simmons was from Georgia, and he wasn't a redneck. Ron Simmons is a good friend of mine. No he's not!".
"I deserve a better partner, but I don't get it, and I don't complain. YOU DESERVE A CYANIDE TABLET IS WHAT YOU DESERVE! If you want that short sidekick back, you can have him.".
"If Vito wins, I'm done. I'm hanging up my boots!".
"If Vito had won, Lou Thesz, Arnold Skaaland, and Jack Brisco would've all committed hari kari.".
[Miz comes out to face 'Taker] "I LOVE IT. Take that you Red Rooster-lookin' reality show reject. BEAT HIM UNDERTAKER, BEAT HIM! Gimmie an 'ooh rah', gimmie an ooh rah now!".[/QUOTE]

Y'know, I agree on all counts here. I'm going to have to start watching SmackDown more often. It's such a solid wrestling show on all counts - if you want your sports entertainment, you have Vito, UT, and Batista, if you want *wrestling* you have Regal/Taylor vs Kendrick/London (I hope that feuds goes to Summerslam, every damn match they have is a treat), if you want women, they're out there, but not always the centerpiece of the show (nor are they treated with that "puppies" kind of disdain). Then you have enjoyable characters who are also fun wrestlers to watch (Booker, Kennedy).

(I'm really hoping the Untouchables debut soon, and that they keep their gimmick largely intact). Did you all see some commercial transition segments with a blonde woman named Maryse promoting SmackDown? She's an OVW talent, but wouldn't surprise me one bit if she made the jump to SD immediately (and not for her wrestling ability, shall we say).

I'll dare say that SmackDown is close to my favorite wrestling show of the week (just above Impact, and just below OVW).

So, to rank all the wrestling shows I watch per week in preference:
1: OVW
2: SmackDown
3: Impact
4: ECW
5: Raw
6: HWA

The problem with HWA is the "sports entertainment" format, because they're using "not ready for public access" quality performers. It's like you're watching wrestlers train in your home, and none of them are very good, or look very good. Les Thatcher is a great guy and a helluva trainer. He's using no discretion whatsoever in who he puts on TV and what sorts of storylines he does.

OTOH, it occurs that I complain about wrestling more than I ought to. I am really enjoying OVW, SD, and TNA right now - that's 4 solid hours of wrestling on TV, so I have nothing to bitch about. Of course, many of us think of "Raw" as the top show, so if that show sucks, then it may have a trickle down effect.

Lastly, I notice there are two JBLs. If there's not a ethnic/racial stereotype in the ring, he's a great announcer with a immense backlog of wrestling history in his mind (and the fact that he makes up half the shit he says gives him a distinct Heenan quality). OTOH, I *cannot* listen to him at times, and that's usually when a minority charicature is in the ring. He's a very good color man, and isn't trying to be the "cool guy" (and deserves massive credit for that).
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Y'know, I agree on all counts here. I'm going to have to start watching SmackDown more often. It's such a solid wrestling show on all counts - if you want your sports entertainment, you have Vito, UT, and Batista, if you want *wrestling* you have Regal/Taylor vs Kendrick/London (I hope that feuds goes to Summerslam, every damn match they have is a treat), if you want women, they're out there, but not always the centerpiece of the show (nor are they treated with that "puppies" kind of disdain). Then you have enjoyable characters who are also fun wrestlers to watch (Booker, Kennedy).

(I'm really hoping the Untouchables debut soon, and that they keep their gimmick largely intact). Did you all see some commercial transition segments with a blonde woman named Maryse promoting SmackDown? She's an OVW talent, but wouldn't surprise me one bit if she made the jump to SD immediately (and not for her wrestling ability, shall we say).

I'll dare say that SmackDown is close to my favorite wrestling show of the week (just above Impact, and just below OVW).

So, to rank all the wrestling shows I watch per week in preference:
1: OVW
2: SmackDown
3: Impact
4: ECW
5: Raw
6: HWA

The problem with HWA is the "sports entertainment" format, because they're using "not ready for public access" quality performers. It's like you're watching wrestlers train in your home, and none of them are very good, or look very good. Les Thatcher is a great guy and a helluva trainer. He's using no discretion whatsoever in who he puts on TV and what sorts of storylines he does.

OTOH, it occurs that I complain about wrestling more than I ought to. I am really enjoying OVW, SD, and TNA right now - that's 4 solid hours of wrestling on TV, so I have nothing to bitch about. Of course, many of us think of "Raw" as the top show, so if that show sucks, then it may have a trickle down effect.

Lastly, I notice there are two JBLs. If there's not a ethnic/racial stereotype in the ring, he's a great announcer with a immense backlog of wrestling history in his mind (and the fact that he makes up half the shit he says gives him a distinct Heenan quality). OTOH, I *cannot* listen to him at times, and that's usually when a minority charicature is in the ring. He's a very good color man, and isn't trying to be the "cool guy" (and deserves massive credit for that).[/quote]
I don't get OVW or HWA but I agree with the rest of your list. However, when it comes to PPV's, I'd say TNA puts on the best show, with SmackDown following. Impact has the potential to be a top show but they simply cram too much into an hour. Since Russo has been writing, TNA has had about 2 hours worth of story lines packed into a one hour show, while SmackDown and RAW tend to concentrate on a few central story lines. Also, can't wait for WSX debut, it looks great.
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']I don't get OVW or HWA but I agree with the rest of your list. However, when it comes to PPV's, I'd say TNA puts on the best show, with SmackDown following. Impact has the potential to be a top show but they simply cram too much into an hour. Since Russo has been writing, TNA has had about 2 hours worth of story lines packed into a one hour show, while SmackDown and RAW tend to concentrate on a few central story lines. Also, can't wait for WSX debut, it looks great.[/QUOTE]

I wish I had the knowledge and time to convert OVW from my tivo to a wmv file. If I can get it onto my iMac, I'm pretty handy with iMovie. Dunno how to get it on my computer, though.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I wish I had the knowledge and time to convert OVW from my tivo to a wmv file. If I can get it onto my iMac, I'm pretty handy with iMovie. Dunno how to get it on my computer, though.[/quote]

how come no one hosts these shows anyways? i never see it on torrent sites..
 
[quote name='guyver2077']how come no one hosts these shows anyways? i never see it on torrent sites..[/QUOTE]

I don't think it's shown outside of markets in the Indiana/Ohio/Kentucky area, but that doesn't mean there aren't people who haven't thought about it or tried it.
 
Agreed...Smackdown is one of the first times in a long time that I didn't FF through a single match. I TiVo all my wrestling shows so I don't have to endure the shit they throw out there, but SD this week was all worth watching.
 
well that was pretty interesting.. layla was hugely over of course.... long ass line to get autograph but i didnt feel like goin through it.

they had 360's with smackdown for everyone and the usual fan fest stuff

we even had a few tna and goldberg chants
 
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[quote name='mykevermin']I don't think it's shown outside of markets in the Indiana/Ohio/Kentucky area, but that doesn't mean there aren't people who haven't thought about it or tried it.[/quote]

Yea I figured people in that area don't have computers :lol: But seriously, if you ripped it and uploaded it to pwt, I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate it. I'd definitely download and check it out. I don't know how Tivo works but if it rips it raw can't you just use a divx or xvid encoder? I'm sure they have those for Mac, although I dunno I'm a PC man myself.
 
Random searching on Wiki came up with this on Goldberg's page:

On Jan. 13 WWE.COM announced that Goldberg (along with Brock Lesnar ) had signed a 5 year contract to wrestle on ECW

Never mind. This looks to be bogus. I guess Wiki isn't the end-all be-all I thought it was.
 
[quote name='Psykoboy2']Random searching on Wiki came up with this on Goldberg's page:

On Jan. 13 WWE.COM announced that Goldberg (along with Brock Lesnar ) had signed a 5 year contract to wrestle on ECW

Never mind. This looks to be bogus. I guess Wiki isn't the end-all be-all I thought it was.[/QUOTE]

:rofl:

Wiki can be updated by anybody.
 
[quote name='Psykoboy2']Random searching on Wiki came up with this on Goldberg's page:

On Jan. 13 WWE.COM announced that Goldberg (along with Brock Lesnar ) had signed a 5 year contract to wrestle on ECW

Never mind. This looks to be bogus. I guess Wiki isn't the end-all be-all I thought it was.[/quote]
what a fucking tease...
 
[quote name='Psykoboy2']Random searching on Wiki came up with this on Goldberg's page:

On Jan. 13 WWE.COM announced that Goldberg (along with Brock Lesnar ) had signed a 5 year contract to wrestle on ECW

Never mind. This looks to be bogus. I guess Wiki isn't the end-all be-all I thought it was.[/QUOTE]

ECW's gonna be around for 5 more years!?!?! :shock:

:rofl:
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Possibly the worst Joe match I'd ever seen live (I'm somewhere in the third row, probably not in camera view). Ebessan was really disappointing.

But "worst Samoa Joe match" is like saying you got a "lousy blowjob," y'know?[/quote]
As a comedy match, I found it infitely more entertaining than that hackjob Trump vs. Rosie comedy bout they had the other night. I actually saw Joe live the week prior when he won the pure title from Jay Lethal in NYC and then got his ass handed to him by the Rottweilers.

NEWS ON PUNK:

Punk is currently in the doghouse as he disagreed with the layout of the Elimination Chamber match with Arn Anderson and Michael Hayes who were the producers for it. For last week's ECW T.V., Dave Lagana had written that Punk should get Holly in his vice finisher and Holly should turn over, grab a rope and pin Punk.

In the production meeting when the T.V. was being put together, the whole room turned on Punk when Lagana told them his idea. Arn Anderson especially was against him, saying that Holly should make Punk pay his dues as he's just "Heyman's guy" and not any good so Holly shouldn't need to cheat to pin him. Anderson also said Punk was only over because Heyman fluked it and it shouldn't be happening. Punk was personally told by Anderson that "after 14 years on being on WWE televison, Holly is the bigger star" as an explanation why the heel should pin the babyface clean. The actual finish was came up by Finlay.

Additionally, while of course Heyman is a fighter when it comes to trying to get his ideas over, the new ECW writer Dave Lagana is more of a laid back guy who just wants to go with the flow, so Anderson and Finlay have had a much easier time getting Punk booked to look weak.

It was also reported that Punk's first loss was originally going to occur through a ref bump-type screwjob, but Finlay and Anderson once again got the match changed to the clean loss for Punk.
 
[quote name='ahmedmalik']As a comedy match, I found it infitely more entertaining than that hackjob Trump vs. Rosie comedy bout they had the other night. I actually saw Joe live the week prior when he won the pure title from Jay Lethal in NYC and then got his ass handed to him by the Rottweilers.

NEWS ON PUNK:

Punk is currently in the doghouse as he disagreed with the layout of the Elimination Chamber match with Arn Anderson and Michael Hayes who were the producers for it. For last week's ECW T.V., Dave Lagana had written that Punk should get Holly in his vice finisher and Holly should turn over, grab a rope and pin Punk.

In the production meeting when the T.V. was being put together, the whole room turned on Punk when Lagana told them his idea. Arn Anderson especially was against him, saying that Holly should make Punk pay his dues as he's just "Heyman's guy" and not any good so Holly shouldn't need to cheat to pin him. Anderson also said Punk was only over because Heyman fluked it and it shouldn't be happening. Punk was personally told by Anderson that "after 14 years on being on WWE televison, Holly is the bigger star" as an explanation why the heel should pin the babyface clean. The actual finish was came up by Finlay.

Additionally, while of course Heyman is a fighter when it comes to trying to get his ideas over, the new ECW writer Dave Lagana is more of a laid back guy who just wants to go with the flow, so Anderson and Finlay have had a much easier time getting Punk booked to look weak.

It was also reported that Punk's first loss was originally going to occur through a ref bump-type screwjob, but Finlay and Anderson once again got the match changed to the clean loss for Punk.[/QUOTE]

The best line in the Observer regarding that story is Meltzer's reaction to the 14 years line - "That's actually brilliant wording to make a point in that hierarchy even if there is nothing to it." Couldn't have said it better myself (although I may have used better punctuation). No one knows who Bob Holly is. The few who do know who he is don't give a shit about him. But dammit, he's been around for a decade and half, so it MUST be a good idea for him to beat Punk to "teach him a lesson," right?

....right?

Sigh.

An even better line followed that up though, and Meltzer hits it on the head again:

"This business has changed 180 degrees since I was a kid. It used to be that the promoters booked to make money and the fans were the marks. Now the people in the business are the marks."
 
That's really interesting to see Finlay acting like that, though it's not surprising to find out that old school guys want to do things the old school way.

Even if the old school way hasn't meant anything for decades. :roll:

Why couldn't Bob Holly get the Billy Gunn treatment ("look, we know you've been here longer than everyone but the Undertaker, but creative has nothing for you right now, so we gotta let you go")? NOBODY in the history of mankind ever gave a fuck about Bob Holly, and I can't believe that anyone would argue that Bob Holly was over with any crowd. That's pretty much the worst argument ever. although failing to stand up and say, laughingly, that anyone who argues that Bob Holly is over is amazingly full of shit, is even weaker than trying to claim that.
 
Because Bob Holly is smart enough to know better than to marry another dude on live television. If Billy Gunn never did that I bet he would still be in the WWE.

And is anyone going to order Final Resolution? They have a habit of putting this PPV on at a bad time. Why they insist on putting it up aganist 24 and the playoffs boggles the mind. For a PPV stacked with an amazing line up they must not like money (they should have this PPV come on the week after the conference championships). If I wasn't going to watch 24 I may have went in for half of the PPV with a friend, but since 24 is free I will watch that instead.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']Because Bob Holly is smart enough to know better than to marry another dude on live television. If Billy Gunn never did that I bet he would still be in the WWE.[/quote]

Somehow I don't think telling WWE creative you aren't gonna do what they want you to is a ticket to success. It worked for the kilq, though.

If I had to guess, it would be that just like the Acolytes, Bob Holly is used for that frat-like "hazing" new guys go through. Billy Gunn probably isn't (1) as tough as Holly or (2) as stiff as Holly, so he was expendable. Holly, OTOH, serves to remind people of their place in the company.

Makes me think of the two weeks (was it even that long?) where the Public Enemy was in the WWF years ago (after ECW and their first WCW run); The Dudley Boyz *paid the price* for PE's arrogance by being thrust into a long and dirty feud with the Acolytes - since both were ECW teams, they were put in the ring with veterans to see what they were made of. Holly's the same way (which is why it's a bit of schadenfreude, but still godDAMN funny, that Holly broke his neck trying to bully Brock Lesnar and make him look bad).

And is anyone going to order Final Resolution? They have a habit of putting this PPV on at a bad time. Why they insist on putting it up aganist 24 and the playoffs boggles the mind. For a PPV stacked with an amazing line up they must not like money. If I wasn't going to watch 24 I may have went in for half of the PPV with a friend, but since 24 is free I will watch that instead.
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Nah. Some really good matches, but I ordered Turning Point (or whatever the last one was), and don't have the money to order another until around WrestleMania time.
 
tna bout to start!

pre show is on

hollys highest moment was main eventing and jobbin to lesnar


bob backlund is on tna!

why would anyone vote via txt msg at 99c a piece.. wtf is the point

wat happ to naturals? chase stevens vs hoyt pre show match

also winner tonight with joe angle will get title shot next month
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Holly's the same way (which is why it's a bit of schadenfreude, but still godDAMN funny, that Holly broke his neck trying to bully Brock Lesnar and make him look bad).[/QUOTE]
I was just going to bring that up.

As mentioned by others, "Who the fuck cares about Bob Holly?"
 
holy shit this main event got interesting,,,

wow sting with a nice unprettier

looks like next month's main even is a wwe main event

christian vs angle

good ppv
 
The booking overall from the PPV seemed to be really good IMO.

Cage and Angle should be a money fued. Joe might have come off badly in the fued with Angle, but I think it is going to lead to a great set of matches later in the year between the two for the title.

Shelly and Rhino needed wins badly as they were coming off like glorified jobbers, so this should help make them look like they aren't always going to walk away with the L (maybe saying it is a step in the right direction would be a better way of phrasing it).

Hopefully Senshi and Sabin end up in a fued and play upon the fact that he never got a rematch after dropping the title at BFG. This would leave Daniels and Lynn to fued for a while biding time until RVD finally shows up.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']The booking overall from the PPV seemed to be really good IMO.

Cage and Angle should be a money fued. Joe might have come off badly in the fued with Angle, but I think it is going to lead to a great set of matches later in the year between the two for the title.

Shelly and Rhino needed wins badly as they were coming off like glorified jobbers, so this should help make them look like they aren't always going to walk away with the L (maybe saying it is a step in the right direction would be a better way of phrasing it).

Hopefully Senshi and Sabin end up in a fued and play upon the fact that he never got a rematch after dropping the title at BFG. This would leave Daniels and Lynn to fued for a while biding time until RVD finally shows up.[/quote]

I think Angle will drop the title Joe later on in the year.
 
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