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[quote name='dallow']Yeah, porn doesn't matter anymore.

It did before because it was the only way people get could video porno in their homes.

We've since invented the internet to get video porn into our homes, for free.[/QUOTE]

I think thats a bit misleading in truth... Let me take a different type of media magazines...

According to the most recent data magazine sales have increased from 2005-2006 by 12% not decreased.

I think it directly relates to the fact people like to physically own something they pay for.

Porn very well could help.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Speedy confirmed the HD-A2 will be $299.99 next week at Best Buy. Looks like a possible price drop, but if true, we have officially reached the sub $300 range.

Panasonic also announced a 'new' Blu-Ray player today. Its pretty much the old one, repackaged, with 5 free movies (Both Pirates, Crash, Fantastic Four, and Transporter) for $599.99. Not a bad price, but I would never buy a Pansonic one. Had it been Samsung...I would have considered. Sony's new machine is due out in a few weeks for $600 as well.[/QUOTE]

Why would you not buy panasonic? Has their reliability dropped off or something?
 
[quote name='Snake2715']I think thats a bit misleading in truth... Let me take a different type of media magazines...

According to the most recent data magazine sales have increased from 2005-2006 by 12% not decreased.

I think it directly relates to the fact people like to physically own something they pay for.

Porn very well could help.[/quote] yea but he said its free. you dont pay for free things. plus people like to own objects to show them off most of the time. to use it as some sort of identifiying icon, like a coffeetable book. no1 wants to be known as the creepy guy w/ a box of porn lol.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']its not really cheap when you think about it. you need at least $800 worth of new hardware and $250 of software to use it, and it still wont be as good as a stand alone player.[/QUOTE]

By $800, do you mean the cost of a PC, or is there something else that is required for this drive that I am missing?

But yea, the cheap price is only available to a select few who alraedy have the necessary hardware. I don't think I'd want to watch HD on my PC though. Has a much better effect on a bigger screen.
 
I downloaded the patch for the HD-DVD drive for the 360, and after playing with the settings it still doesn't come close to the sound I get from my PS3 when watching Blu-rays. Looks like I will still be sticking with Blu-ray when movies are released on both formats.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']I downloaded the patch for the HD-DVD drive for the 360, and after playing with the settings it still doesn't come close to the sound I get from my PS3 when watching Blu-rays. Looks like I will still be sticking with Blu-ray when movies are released on both formats.[/QUOTE]

From what I have heard, the PS3 blu-ray player is on par with some of the better quality BD players, while the 360 HD-DVD drive is a bit on the lower end side. HD-DVD in general isn't going to be worse, but, in your situation, I guess BD would be the way to go. I'm pretty surprised at how good the PS3 blu-ray player is, considering how crap the PS2 was as a DVD player (and a system as a whole). I guess, if you want to push a format, you would have to convince people with a high quality, built in player.
 
I think the HD-DVD add on is fine except for it's audio problems.
(there have been lots of reports of video errors as well, which is half the reason the patch was released)

It can't do any of the high end codecs because the 360 is limited to optical, and there's even problems with the simple Dolby Digital 5.1 output.

This is why I never bothered with the add-on.
 
BD needs to bring the prices on their players down FAST.
At $299, even I'm tempted to pick it up to watch a couple exclusive movies.
 
[quote name='dallow']What kind of sound setup do you have?

I'm guessing it's optical 5.1 for both?[/QUOTE]

Receiver
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...eiver&lp=2&type=product&cp=1&id=1169512521608

Speakers
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7372513&st=klipsh&type=product&id=1122654018549

Sub
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7039536&st=sub+10&type=product&id=1099395911231

Ill be adding either the Klipsch F-1 or F-2's soon to make it 7.1.

Im running both with optical currently because I have not bough an extra HDMI cable yet to redo my reciever with it. Watching the Last Samurai version of both formats I can tell a pretty big difference.
 
[quote name='dpatel']By $800, do you mean the cost of a PC, or is there something else that is required for this drive that I am missing?

But yea, the cheap price is only available to a select few who alraedy have the necessary hardware. I don't think I'd want to watch HD on my PC though. Has a much better effect on a bigger screen.[/quote]
yea $800 is the bare minimum for a HTPC which could handle BR. its closer to $1200 if you buy mid tier parts though. + the cost of the drive and $200 software is the bare minimum if you buy OEM.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']yea $800 is the bare minimum for a HTPC which could handle BR. its closer to $1200 if you buy mid tier parts though. + the cost of the drive and $200 software is the bare minimum if you buy OEM.[/QUOTE]

oh yea, I forgot about that. I guess that does make that pretty pointless then.
 
[quote name='dallow']Yeah, time to get that HDMI cable and really enjoy the BD movies.
You have a pretty nice setup man.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. I have the PS3 hooked to the TV via HDMI, just not have not patched the HDMI to the receiver and then the the TV yet to get my audio through the HDMI cable.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']its already $300 at amazon. that would make it $200 that's a HOT DEAL![/quote]
Its currently $277.88 which would drop it to $177.88 :hot: top it off with the 5 free HD DVD's, at $20 a piece and thats being generous, that techically drops it to $77.88 :hot: :hot:
Now if the HD Audio Receivers drop soon...I can finally snag one.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Its currently $277.88 which would drop it to $177.88 :hot: top it off with the 5 free HD DVD's, at $20 a piece and thats being generous, that techically drops it to $77.88 :hot: :hot:
Now if the HD Audio Receivers drop soon...I can finally snag one.[/QUOTE]
If I can get it for $177.88, I will officialy join the HD DVD crowd
 
its a good player. loads quick, good audio & video. outputs 720p & 1080i but that doesnt matter since movies are 24fps, so its the exact same thing as 1080p, only the tv deinterlaces it instead of the player. good upconverting DVD player too.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']its a good player. loads quick, good audio & video. outputs 1080i but that doesnt matter since movies are 24fps, so its the exact same thing as 1080p, only the tv deinterlaces it instead of the player.[/QUOTE]
It upscales DVDs to correct?
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']
Now if the HD Audio Receivers drop soon...I can finally snag one.[/QUOTE]

With the new Onkyo lines rolling out, look for deals on last year's versions. You can already get a TX-SR604 for around $350-380, even down lower if you don't mind it coming silver.
 
$299.99 is what the A2 will be, not $199.99. The Amazon prices NOW reflect what they would be in a few days. You won't get another $100 off. If so, this would be FLAMING hot!
 
[quote name='gizmogc']$299.99 is what the A2 will be, not $199.99. The Amazon prices NOW reflect what they would be in a few days. You won't get another $100 off. If so, this would be FLAMING hot![/QUOTE]
Even at $299.99 I am thinking about getting the A2. But I am also looking into the A20. I know one of the major differences is the A20 does 1080p. Are there any other differences that it would be worth spending the extra cash? And does anyone know how the upconverting of the A2 and A20 compare? Any info will help thanks.
 
the 299 player is tempting, anyone have it running through component? since all my other hi def plugs are taken, does not having it running through an hdmi make much of a difference?
 
[quote name='DomLando']Even at $299.99 I am thinking about getting the A2. But I am also looking into the A20. I know one of the major differences is the A20 does 1080p. Are there any other differences that it would be worth spending the extra cash? And does anyone know how the upconverting of the A2 and A20 compare? Any info will help thanks.[/QUOTE]

1080p and a different 'feel/look' of the player itself. My feel, I mean the texture of the player. Everything else is identical.
 
The way I see it is that HD-DVD began with the CD and Laserdisc. It evolved over time, or went extinct (i.e. LD), with things like anti-skip, CD R/W, DVD, and now the HD-DVD. It started with small innovations that led to better products using the same system. HD-DVD is like the peak of what a red laser can do.

Now Blu-Ray on the other hand is the modern version of the original CD or LD. It uses a new system. It does things a little different. It's the start of a new line of technologies. I hear that it's compression makes for bigger files, and slower access than HD, and yada yada yada. Think of how badly your first CD player would skip if you tried to so much as move. Of course HD-DVD will have a few things more together, it's had years in the making. Blu-Ray is a reinventing of the format.

So, in finishing my comparison rant, I see the Blu-Ray as the future. I just hope my future is not the future of the Laserdisc. :boxing:
 
[quote name='gizmogc']1080p and a different 'feel/look' of the player itself. My feel, I mean the texture of the player. Everything else is identical.[/QUOTE]
So if my TV is 1080i I mine as well go with the A2 from what you are saying. How is the upconverting of the A2?
 
[quote name='Gozer_1']The way I see it is that HD-DVD began with the CD and Laserdisc. It evolved over time, or went extinct (i.e. LD), with things like anti-skip, CD R/W, DVD, and now the HD-DVD. It started with small innovations that led to better products using the same system. HD-DVD is like the peak of what a red laser can do.

Now Blu-Ray on the other hand is the modern version of the original CD or LD. It uses a new system. It does things a little different. It's the start of a new line of technologies. I hear that it's compression makes for bigger files, and slower access than HD, and yada yada yada. Think of how badly your first CD player would skip if you tried to so much as move. Of course HD-DVD will have a few things more together, it's had years in the making. Blu-Ray is a reinventing of the format.

So, in finishing my comparison rant, I see the Blu-Ray as the future. I just hope my future is not the future of the Laserdisc. :boxing:[/quote]
:bomb:

HD DVD USES BLUE LASERS TOO

*sigh*

the only diff is HD DVD uses existing DVD tech where the data is written in the center of the disc. while BR the data is on the bottom of the disc.
that is the reason BR can hold slightly more data, it has less plastic to shine it through.
http://evergeek.thestar.com/features/2647.aspx

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[quote name='DomLando']Even at $299.99 I am thinking about getting the A2. But I am also looking into the A20. I know one of the major differences is the A20 does 1080p. Are there any other differences that it would be worth spending the extra cash? And does anyone know how the upconverting of the A2 and A20 compare? Any info will help thanks.[/quote]
theres no reason to have 1080p on a movie since its going to use a 2:3 pulldown regardless. movies arent 60fps, theyre 24. so 1080i and 1080p are exactly the same.

http://blog.hometheatermag.com/geoffreymorrison/0807061080iv1080p/
 
[quote name='propeller_head']theres no reason to have 1080p on a movie since its going to use a 2:3 pulldown regardless. movies arent 60fps, theyre 24. so 1080i and 1080p are exactly the same.

http://blog.hometheatermag.com/geoffreymorrison/0807061080iv1080p/[/QUOTE]
That's good to hear. I was just wondering now if there were any diferences between the upconverting of the a2 and a20? Obviously the a20 upconvets to 1080p but performance and quality wise are they the same.
 
[quote name='DomLando']That's good to hear. I was just wondering now if there were any diferences between the upconverting of the a2 and a20? Obviously the a20 upconvets to 1080p but performance and quality wise are they the same.[/quote] im not 100% sure. but i know the X1 & A2 is lauded as some of the best upconverting dvd players. some superbit DVDs even look close to broadcast (DBS satelite) HBO HDTV. not saying it looks as good as HD DVD since those sat HD channels have quite a bit of compression. but for a DVD it looks damn good.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']im not 100% sure. but i know the X1 & A2 is lauded as some of the best upconverting dvd players. some superbit DVDs even look close to broadcast (DBS satelite) HBO HDTV. not saying it looks as good as HD DVD since those sat HD channels have quite a bit of compression. but for a DVD it looks damn good.[/QUOTE]
Well if this is true looks like I am going with the A2 since it seems like the A20 for me is just not worth it.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']:bomb:

HD DVD USES BLUE LASERS TOO

*sigh*

the only diff is HD DVD uses existing DVD tech where the data is written in the center of the disc. while BR the data is on the bottom of the disc.
that is the reason BR can hold slightly more data, it has less plastic to shine it through.
http://evergeek.thestar.com/features/2647.aspx[/quote] Wrong! The reason BR stores more data because of the much shorter wavelength of the blue laser employed, allowing a higher density of data pitches in the same surface area since the laser is narrower.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']$299.99 is what the A2 will be, not $199.99. The Amazon prices NOW reflect what they would be in a few days. You won't get another $100 off. If so, this would be FLAMING hot![/quote]

Yes you will. Amazon is on the list of retailers offering the $100 instant rebate. So the only way it won't be DIRT CHEAP at Amazon is if they jack the price up in the next two days.
 
[quote name='eau']Wrong! The reason BR stores more data because of the much shorter wavelength of the blue laser employed, allowing a higher density of data pitches in the same surface area since the laser is narrower.[/quote]
Wrong! actually they both use the same laser wavelength, just that BR has an extra lens. the reason it can store more is just like i said. having it on the bottom of the disc means less plastic, less plastic means more of the laser arrives so it can be focused slightly more. if you RTFA you would see that they both have 405nm blue lasers
 
I was a HD DVD early adopter (mid April last year) but am now considering making the BRD switch. I don't see the point in sticking with HD DVD anymore. Originally, I was in the HD DVD camp for image and video quality superiority, but now that the majority of releases are both dead even, HD DVD doesn't really have any benefits at all. Combo discs have driven me insane - on many movies being forced to pay $10 more than the BRD counterpart for something I don't want. I hate double-sided discs anyway, I want a label side. BRD's release list is looking better and better as time goes on... the March HD DVD drought was ridiculous.

I know there's speculation about Universal dropping the whole combo disc thing, but still, I don't see any reason not to go with BRD at this point.



[quote name='eau']Wrong! The reason BR stores more data because of the much shorter wavelength of the blue laser employed, allowing a higher density of data pitches in the same surface area since the laser is narrower.[/QUOTE]

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but propeller_head is dead on, the laser on a HD-DVD drive is also 405nm, the exact wavelength as a BRD drive's laser.
 
[quote name='Koggit']the March HD DVD drought was ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

I'm a BR user, but they look to have a solid list of upcoming movies, with the Matrix and some other shit. The only HD DVD movie to make me jealous, thus far, is "The Big Lebowski," so I'm not too bent out of shape just yet.

Can anyone explain to me why some blacks make my screen flicker when watching BR? I was watching Planet Earth, and some of the blacks, esp in the cave episode, flicker like fuckin' mad. It's enough to drive a guy crazy. I may have seen this when watching a DVD via my 360, so it may be the TV. However, I just noticed it recently when watching BR (it never does this when I play games, however, on any system). Any ideas?
 
hmm. well it has to be the tv then. maybe it doesnt get along w/ the ps3, or it could be the signal. some 720p sets 1080 will look better on even though they cant display them, some 720 will. it comes down the what chips they used. only way to find out is through trial and error.

it might also be the HDMI wire if youre running it far. you should use the shortest HDMI wire possible.
http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/whats-the-matter-with-hdmi
 
[quote name='propeller_head']:bomb:

HD DVD USES BLUE LASERS TOO

*sigh*

the only diff is HD DVD uses existing DVD tech where the data is written in the center of the disc. while BR the data is on the bottom of the disc.
that is the reason BR can hold slightly more data, it has less plastic to shine it through.
http://evergeek.thestar.com/features/2647.aspx

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Oh wow I totaly thought otherwise. Thanx for the info. I was wrong, but the existing DVD tech part holds atleast a small thread of relevance to my rant.lol
*OOoooOO pretty blue light oh ouch my eyes*
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Thats been a kinda 'duhh' for a while now. It took 8 years for the 'modified' version to appear on DVD.[/quote]

I know...that's why I said, "we all saw this coming".
 
And the ball bounces back into the BD corner (from AVS)

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=200

Low cost electronics manufacturer Funai (who make components for such low costs brands as Sylvania, Emerson, and Magnavox), has revealed in their latest financial report that they plan to launch a Blu-ray player. With 52% of the DVD player/recorder market in the US, it is very likely that a low cost Blu-ray player would be widely adopted, similar to the success Funai continues to have in the DVD market.

No specific player has been announced, nor any time frame, or manufacturer partnerships, but the inclusion of the bullet in their annual financial report alerts stockholders of their intention to move into the Blu-ray market. As a favorite manufacturer of Walmart (who awarded them a Billion Dollar Supplier Prize in 2006), these low cost players would most likely see wide distribution through the retail giant.
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Financial report here. (Pg.12 as it relates to blu-ray)
http://www.funaiworld.com/investors...pdf/ks_e554.pdf
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We'll see how that pans out. They need to get that back soon.

I noticed that the $300 HD DVD player that everyone was going bonkers over last week maxes out at 1080i. That's pretty significant for the videophile (and has some greater degree of planned obsolescence than a 1080p player), but ultimately, I think, irrelevant for the average consumer, who (1) wants to jump into the HD era but also (2) doesn't know a lick, nor cares to know a lick, about various i's, p's, DLP, LCD, Plasma, and all that other jargon.

If the resulting Funai products can match the $300 pricepoint, then they're in good shape. It will be interesting to see how what really ought to be a big week for HD DVD (with lower-priced players and the Matrix Trilogy hitting at the same time) impacts the market, both relative to Blu Ray, but also in terms of the overall video retail market (wherein both formats are like the "Apple" to DVD's "PC").
 
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