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This wasn't you, Gizmogc?

[quote name='GizmoGC'][quote name='"anomynous"']so it looks like the new $500 Sony Blu Ray player is BD-J compliant.........[/quote]

Any info on this? I may snag one and dump my PS3.[/QUOTE]

I realize you like to try and get a rise out of Sony fanboys with statements like these, but, next time, be more logical about it.
 
Neilsen Sales of Planet Earth as of 5/27/07:

HD DVD: 25,400
Blu-Ray: 19,300

It is the third best selling High-Def title this year, behind The Departed and Casino Royale. 6th overall since inception, where it is behind Superman Returns, Batman Begins, and Mission Impossible III as well. I'll try to dig up a link, but it's buried somewhere in a 264-page thread on AVS, so it'll take awhile.
 
www.bluraysavings.com (URL doesn't seem to work yet).

Eligible Blu-ray Players
Sony BDP-S1
Sony BDP-S300
Sony PS3
Panasonic DMP-BD10K
Panasonic DMP-BD10KA
Philips BDP9000/37
Pioneer BDP-94HD
Samsung BD-P1000
Samsung BD-P1200

Movie Choices (you can only pick ONE movie per category)
Category 1
- The Guardian
- Pearl Harbor
- Invincible
- Chicken Little

Category 2
- Corpse bride
- Phantom of the opera
- Blazing Saddles

Category 3
- Stealth
- Resident Evil 2
- Underworld Evolution
- Stir of Echoes

Category 4
- The Italian Job
- Black Rain
- Babel
- Devil's Rejects

Category 5
- Kiss of the Dragon
- Omen 666
- The Transporter 2
- Species
- Hart's War
- The Last Waltz

You have to include the ORIGINAL UPC on the Blu-ray player package along with a receipt (can be photocopied) from the Blu-ray player purchase dated between 7/1/07 and 9/30/07 with the purchase price circled. Limit one redemption per household, group submissions are void. Only good for the US and it's territories.
 
[quote name='Chris in Cali']Man, I just got my PS3 like a month ago. :*([/QUOTE]

Return it and get another one July 1st. Say its defective :lol:
 
Hmm, how did Phantom of the Opera fair in its HD conversion? I'm a huge fan of the musical, and the mvoie, while not perfect, was fun. Very vibrant too. I could see it really benefitting from the HD treatment. Though, if I would be able to tell the difference remains to be seen.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']5 Free Blu-Ray movies with purchase by mail. I guess the BDA is following what the HD DVD group is doing now.[/QUOTE]

I don't blame them. It's a pretty tempting deal (I'm pissed I got my PS3 months ago), and it helps the software numbers.
 
[quote name='daroga']Hmm, how did Phantom of the Opera fair in its HD conversion? I'm a huge fan of the musical, and the mvoie, while not perfect, was fun. Very vibrant too. I could see it really benefitting from the HD treatment. Though, if I would be able to tell the difference remains to be seen.[/quote] I haven't personally seen it, but general consensus is that it's a spectacular title. Very high Tier 1 in the user rankings (formerly on AVS, now on Highdefdigest). If you're a fan, you should definitely pick it up. It has both IME and TrueHD, btw.
 
[quote name='geko29']I haven't personally seen it, but general consensus is that it's a spectacular title. Very high Tier 1 in the user rankings (formerly on AVS, now on Highdefdigest). If you're a fan, you should definitely pick it up. It has both IME and TrueHD, btw.[/quote]Yeah, I have neither HD DVD nor Blu-Ray, so it's moot right now for me. I just didn't even realize it was out on the HD formats, just took me by surprise when I saw it there. In the end, it's kinda silly to buy into either one to see one movie in HD that I already own the DVD for and a great up-converting DVD player. :)
 
[quote name='daroga']Yeah, I have neither HD DVD nor Blu-Ray, so it's moot right now for me. I just didn't even realize it was out on the HD formats, just took me by surprise when I saw it there. In the end, it's kinda silly to buy into either one to see one movie in HD that I already own the DVD for and a great up-converting DVD player. :)[/QUOTE]

IIRC, it was one of the first 3 HD DVD titles release (with Serenity and...Million Dollar Baby?)
 
JUNE 27 | LOS ANGELES—Warner Home Video looks to be pushing the launch of its dual-format high-definition disc, Total HD, into 2008, from the second half of this year, as was originally planned.

Studio VP of sales and planning and operations Dan Miron said at a session during the Entertainment Supply Chain Academy conference here today that Warner will release its first titles in Total HD in early 2008.

Separately, Warner senior VP of marketing management Steve Nickerson said the studio hasn't yet set a launch date but acknowledged it's unlikely it will be in the fourth quarter.

Nickerson said the studio wants to launch the discs with 10 to 20 titles so retailers can merchandise them together in one section and they don't get lost at retail.

"There is no expiration date on the viability of this concept, so we’re not in a rush to do it," Nickerson said. "We’ll do it when it makes sense and when it's right."

Earlier, Warner had said the dual-format discs could be available by late third quarter or early fourth quarter this year.

Total HD holds one Blu-ray Disc and one HD DVD on opposite sides of the same disc.

Miron acknowledged that the additional SKU might further crowd already bulging retail shelves. But the studio is committed to satisfying consumers.

In releasing standard-definition, HD DVD and Blu-ray versions of films, “our research shows that there is demand for each of those products,” said Miron. “We are trying to evaluate [how to best treat] each one of these releases.”

To scale down its standard-definition SKUs, Miron said Warner is increasingly putting fullscreen and widescreen versions of films on opposite sides of one disc.

“That is one less SKU to sell,” he said. “With high-def, we’re trying to put Blu-ray and HD DVD on the same disc. Total HD is not coming until first-quarter 2008. We will find shelf space.”

Good news!
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Good news![/QUOTE]

Good news that it was pushed back? I concur!

daroga, I have Phantom on BR and DVD (for the moment, anyway). Comparing them on my 360/PS3, the difference is incredible, and the audio is also much richer in the BR. The DVD isn't bad, and it's surely suitable if you don't have a BR/HD player (you can also get it for $10, I believe). However, if you're considering the 360 add-on or a PS3, and own an HDTV, then I would recommend getting one of the HD versions instead (especially as a huge fan).

Regretfully, they didn't allow an option that would have laid down Michael Crawford's vocal track from the original cast over the top of Gerard Butler's Jack Black impression. :lol:
 
More good news.

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/index.cfm?sec_id=2&newsid=10816
HOME MEDIA MAGAZINE TOP STORY
Author: THOMAS K. ARNOLD

Posted: June 28, 2007

Chinese consumer electronics companies are one step closer to producing inexpensive HD DVD players. Format backers hope the move will ultimately lead to victory in their uphill fight with rival next-generation format Blu-ray Disc, but Blu-ray supporters decry the announcement as insignificant.

The steering committee of the DVD Forum has approved the final draft of a memorandum of understanding with the leading Chinese developer of optical discs, paving the way for the creation of a Chinese HD DVD format.

The deal, with China’s Optical Memory National Engineering Research Center, marks the first time China is participating in a standardization process for content within a global entity, the DVD Forum, which also gives its stamp of approval to standard DVD.

While a Chinese HD DVD format would have some differences from the global HD DVD format, backers maintain similarities in manufacturing would make it easy for Chinese consumer electronics companies to then also produce HD DVD players for a worldwide market, including the United States.

And that could tip the scale in favor of HD DVD, according to Ken Graffeo, executive VP of high-definition strategic marketing for Universal Studios Home Entertainment and co-president of the North American and European HD DVD Promotional Group.

He notes it was cheap Chinese DVD players retailing for less than $100 that really spurred the DVD to mass adoption, and he’s hoping the same thing will happen with HD DVD. Currently, the lowest HD DVD player, from Toshiba, can be purchased for $299, after a $100 mail-in rebate, while the cheapest Blu-ray Disc player, from Sony, sells for $499.

“Hardware drives software,” Graffeo said. “Why do you think they give away the razor? It’s because they want you to buy the blade.”

Graffeo notes that when Toshiba in May began offering its $100 rebate on HD DVD players, sales soared 70%.

“We sold 70,000 units in seven weeks, from a base of 100,000 units,” Graffeo said.


The Blu-ray Disc set-top count is unclear, but Sony’s PlayStation 3 comes with a built-in Blu-ray Disc drive. About 1.4 million PS3s have been sold to U.S. consumers since the pricey next-generation game machine’s retail debut last November.

However, dedicated high-def disc players, Graffeo said, tend to have “the highest attach rate,” and thus drive software sales. And if economies of scale — HD DVD is based on existing DVD technology, so players are cheaper, and easier, to produce — leads to a flood of low-priced Chinese HD DVD machines, consumer response could be so overwhelming that the studios that don’t support the format would have no choice but to switch. At this point, Universal is the only studio to exclusively support HD DVD. Paramount Home Entertainment and Warner Home Video support both HD DVD and Blu-ray, while 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment, Buena Vista Home Entertainment, Sony Pictures Home Entertainment and Lionsgate are exclusively in the Blu-ray Disc camp.

“Everybody will admit this, that the consumer will ultimately decide [which format wins],” Graffeo said. “Wherever the consumer goes, the studios will follow.”

Blu-ray Disc Association spokesman Andy Parsons dismissed the importance of the announcement. “The memo is for a Chinese HD DVD format only, so it’s a bit of a stretch to suggest that this will translate into cheap HD DVD players being exported into the United States.”

A high-ranking studio executive on the Blu-ray side who asked not to be named agreed. “And, further, why would companies that happen to be based in China look at the format war any differently than any other company outside China?,” he added. “They are business people, and watching the rest of the market very closely. If HD DVD is losing steam in the United States, Europe and Japan, what would interest them in exporting players that have less market potential than Blu-ray? The whole thing smacks of desperation.”
 
That's not the only good news in the article. 70,000 HD DVD players were sold during the $100 off promotion. As opposed to the 100,000 that were sold in the year leading up to it. They nearly doubled the standalone player base in less than two months.
 
[quote name='dallow']Total HD videos.... they make me want to throw up.[/quote] why? they said it would be the same price. your just getting extra, whats bad about that?

[quote name='mykevermin']Good news that it was pushed back? I concur!

daroga, I have Phantom on BR and DVD (for the moment, anyway). Comparing them on my 360/PS3, the difference is incredible, and the audio is also much richer in the BR. The DVD isn't bad, and it's surely suitable if you don't have a BR/HD player (you can also get it for $10, I believe). However, if you're considering the 360 add-on or a PS3, and own an HDTV, then I would recommend getting one of the HD versions instead (especially as a huge fan).

Regretfully, they didn't allow an option that would have laid down Michael Crawford's vocal track from the original cast over the top of Gerard Butler's Jack Black impression. :lol:[/quote] are you crazy? Phantom of the Opera has DD 5.1 on BR and Dolby TrueHD on the HD DVD. the audio's better on HD DVD. dont believe me, go look it up on highdefdigest. the BR version also doesnt have any of the extras that the HD DVD has.

edit: just noticed u were talking about it on regular DVD, D'oh!
 
[quote name='geko29']A high-ranking studio executive on the Blu-ray side who asked not to be named agreed. “And, further, why would companies that happen to be based in China look at the format war any differently than any other company outside China?,” he added. “They are business people, and watching the rest of the market very closely. If HD DVD is losing steam in the United States, Europe and Japan, what would interest them in exporting players that have less market potential than Blu-ray? The whole thing smacks of desperation.”[/quote]
lol, yea. i guess when dec rolls around and im buying gifts; not wanting to spend $500 on a player makes me desperate too right? this is why so many ppl hate sony, they're arrogant & reek of hubris.

[quote name='anomynous']I hope the players aren't crappy though[/quote]
i sill have a $150 7 year old apex player that runs like new to this day.
 
[quote name='geko29']A high-ranking studio executive on the Blu-ray side who asked not to be named agreed. “And, further, why would companies that happen to be based in China look at the format war any differently than any other company outside China?,” he added. “They are business people, and watching the rest of the market very closely. If HD DVD is losing steam in the United States, Europe and Japan, what would interest them in exporting players that have less market potential than Blu-ray? The whole thing smacks of desperation.”[/quote] lol, yea. i guess when dec rolls around and im buying gifts; not wanting to spend $500 on a player makes me desperate too right? this is why so many ppl hate sony, they're arrogant & reek of hubris.

[quote name='anomynous']I hope the players aren't crappy though[/quote] i sill have a $150 7 year old apex player that runs like new to this day. and its been used as my primary player the entire time (barring after i got a HD-A2 and used it for upconverting) for the simple reason that it's region free and plays all DVDs. i still use it for imports.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']why? they said it would be the same price. your just getting extra, whats bad about that?[/quote]

Just dragging out the "war".
Wonder what the cases will look like...
 
[quote name='dallow']Just dragging out the "war".
Wonder what the cases will look like...[/quote]
the way i see it, its ending the war faster. its effectively making 1 standard for discs. imo any1 who actually thinks that there will be a winner is living in the 70s. VHS won because it has twice the amount of room to record TV shows; people use DVRs for that now. neither BR or HD DVD have anything the other doesnt. BR has more space, but HD DVD has more than enough for its purposes already so its redundant. imo, BR is sticking around because of sonys strong initial push and their trojan (no pun intended :lol: *coughrootkitcough*) BR drive in the PS3. but HD DVD isnt going anywhere because it brings more value & will break into mainstream first. i fully expect to even see Sony dual format players in 2 years.
 
It's stupid to have two formats like that but I really don't know what will happen.

A Sony dual format player.
I'll buy you a coke if that happens! :)
 
[quote name='propeller_head']lol, yea. i guess when dec rolls around and im buying gifts; not wanting to spend $500 on a player makes me desperate too right? this is why so many ppl hate sony, they're arrogant & reek of hubris.

[/QUOTE]

For starters, studio exec doesn't automatically equal Sony, there's more than one movie studio in the BDA. But also, he's talking business, exporting goods to be exact which can be costly do to especially in a new market like this, not your holiday shopping methods.

[quote name='propeller_head']why? they said it would be the same price. your just getting extra, whats bad about that?

[/QUOTE]

Actually they were saying not too long ago that they think consumers would be willing to pay a little more for it (I'm not), and seeing as how Warner has yet to confirm it will be the same price from any reliable source I have my doubts. On the same note, the same price? Dunno about you, but I'm hoping software prices fall somewhat going into 2008, not remain the same.

Also, explain how I'm getting something extra or anyone for that matter? All they're doing is reducing your options on what to buy. You obviously have one of the players and with only a handful of exceptions Warner has released titles on both formats and are continuing to do so. Why would I not just buy the format I purchased the player for? This is why Total HD doesn't benefit the customer, it gives Warner licensing fees, recognition, less skus and production, and I get to watch the movie in either BD or HD. Ah but I forgot I can already do that by purchasing the format I bought the player for...
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Regretfully, they didn't allow an option that would have laid down Michael Crawford's vocal track from the original cast over the top of Gerard Butler's Jack Black impression. :lol:[/quote]I'd have given alot to lay down the track of Colm Wilkinson for that movie. Or Crawford. Or Anthony Warlow. Although, at least it wasn't Antonio Banderas or John Travolta, who were both rumored to be up for a movie in the late 90s.

I'm kinda thinking about the 360 addon, but really can't justify paying more than $100 for it. So I'll probably be waiting a while.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']why? they said it would be the same price. your just getting extra, whats bad about that?[/QUOTE]

I hate double-sided discs. I like a side with a label. I think most people do.
 
With the double-sided discs it's confusing to know if the writing goes down with the side it is written on, or if the writing should be up when I want that side up... :lol:
 
[quote name='geko29'] “They are business people, and watching the rest of the market very closely. If HD DVD is losing steam in the United States, Europe and Japan, what would interest them in exporting players that have less market potential than Blu-ray? The whole thing smacks of desperation.”[/QUOTE]

I would think cutting the price $100 2 weeks before the new Sony player hits and now offering 5 free movies for ANY Blu-Ray player sold smells of desperation, but whatever BDA. :cool:
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']For starters, studio exec doesn't automatically equal Sony, there's more than one movie studio in the BDA. But also, he's talking business, exporting goods to be exact which can be costly do to especially in a new market like this, not your holiday shopping methods.



Actually they were saying not too long ago that they think consumers would be willing to pay a little more for it (I'm not), and seeing as how Warner has yet to confirm it will be the same price from any reliable source I have my doubts. On the same note, the same price? Dunno about you, but I'm hoping software prices fall somewhat going into 2008, not remain the same.

Also, explain how I'm getting something extra or anyone for that matter? All they're doing is reducing your options on what to buy. You obviously have one of the players and with only a handful of exceptions Warner has released titles on both formats and are continuing to do so. Why would I not just buy the format I purchased the player for? This is why Total HD doesn't benefit the customer, it gives Warner licensing fees, recognition, less skus and production, and I get to watch the movie in either BD or HD. Ah but I forgot I can already do that by purchasing the format I bought the player for...[/quote] the studio exec who wanted to remain anonymous (probably because so many of sony's asinine statements have bit them in the ass recently); the reason i say sony is because sony has said the same thing in the past.

& warner said at CES same price, not willing to pay a little more. they said they were willing to eat the cost if it motivates customers to buy (& if it catches on & they licence it out thats a major payday for them) youre thinking of the combo discs, not totalHD. & you arent going to see $12 HD discs anytime soon. theyll continue to be $20ish at least another 18 months imo. just like DVD did.
 
http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/29/warners-300-to-sport-bonus-features-on-hd-dvd-not-blu-ray/

Apparently, Warner Home Video has no problem doling out an HD DVD version of 300 that outshines the Blu-ray rendition, as that's exactly what will happen when it launches on July 31st. The $39.99 HD DVD / DVD combo disc will feature a bluescreen picture-in-picture version of the film with "pre-CGI" clips alongside the finished product, an exclusive game titled Vengeance and Valor, web-enabled downloads, and a nifty application that allows you to assemble your favorite clips and "create your own montage." These very features, however, are glaringly absent from the Blu-ray release, which sports a far thinner list of extras for a slightly lower price ($34.99). It's no secret that interactive features on high-definition flicks have been sorely missing on the whole, but giving preferential treatment to one format via on-disc extras is an interesting approach to differentiation.
 
So, what's included in that "far thinner" list of extras?

Now, personally, I don't give a damn about extras. Never watched them, never will. Nevertheless, I do recognize the appeal they do carry with them.

The question, of course, becomes this: since it would be absurd to chalk up HD DVD's exclusive extras to storage capacity, why is it that the BR version would lack these features?

300 was an okay movie (though admittedly very, very popular. It was a cinemotographically gorgeous film (and that alone makes me consider getting it on BR), but god GAWD, the screenplay was written by a shitting meathead jock with an IQ of 34.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']So, what's included in that "far thinner" list of extras?

Now, personally, I don't give a damn about extras. Never watched them, never will. Nevertheless, I do recognize the appeal they do carry with them.

The question, of course, becomes this: since it would be absurd to chalk up HD DVD's exclusive extras to storage capacity, why is it that the BR version would lack these features?

300 was an okay movie (though admittedly very, very popular. It was a cinemotographically gorgeous film (and that alone makes me consider getting it on BR), but god GAWD, the screenplay was written by a shitting meathead jock with an IQ of 34.[/quote]
read the article it lists them

HD DVD / DVD combo disc will feature

a bluescreen picture-in-picture version of the film with "pre-CGI" clips alongside the finished product,

an exclusive game titled Vengeance and Valor,

web-enabled downloads,

and a nifty application that allows you to assemble your favorite clips and "create your own montage.

and the reason the BR version doesnt have them is because it cant support them, and no player out would be able to play them even if it did.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']why? they said it would be the same price. your just getting extra, whats bad about that?[/QUOTE]

You're not really getting extra. If it were a one format gen, you'd be getting the same stuff for a cheaper cost for the manufacturers, which could lead to cheaper prices on the consumer end.
 
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=284

In an article discussing how grocery stores are driving down profits for DVD sales, Philippe Roucoule from Buena Vista Home Entertainment mentioned part of their release slate for the rest of the year. These titles include a 'Pirates of the Caribbean' Box Set, 'Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End', 'Jungle Book' (1967), 'Santa Claus 3', 'Lost', 'Desperate Housewives', and 'High School Musical'.

Additionally, they will be releasing some Miramax and Bruckheimer films, though none were mentioned by name, as well as other unannounced Disney titles.
 
The article also points out that one should not assume that these titles are being released on Blu-Ray just because they've been announced for DVD, because the Disney execs went out of their way to avoid mentioning that. Take it with a grain of salt until there's an official announcement.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']the studio exec who wanted to remain anonymous (probably because so many of sony's asinine statements have bit them in the ass recently); the reason i say sony is because sony has said the same thing in the past.[/quote]

Howabout we just chalk it to pointless, blind, fanboyism-like hatred for a company? Otherwise it's only likely to get more illogical.

[quote name='propeller_head']
& warner said at CES same price, not willing to pay a little more. they said they were willing to eat the cost if it motivates customers to buy (& if it catches on & they licence it out thats a major payday for them) youre thinking of the combo discs, not totalHD. & you arent going to see $12 HD discs anytime soon. theyll continue to be $20ish at least another 18 months imo. just like DVD did.[/QUOTE]

Both articles are reports from CES:
http://tech.msn.com/products/article.aspx?cp-documentid=2507385

"Sanders also noted that Warner's own research indicated that consumers were willing to pay a little more for the peace of mind of knowing the disc will play on whichever type of player they buy."

http://www.dvdfile.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5860

"When Warner Home Video President Ron Sanders was asked about price, he replied that Total HD, “won't be very much more than current HD DVDs and Blu-ray Discs."

Personally I don't think it will be anymore than HD/DVD combos now, because it will never achieve much of anything if it is the most expensive thing in the market. However, I think you fail to see the potential problems with Total HD (where's the explanation of it giving it more anyhow), because they are essentially throwing in a third type of format. This may or may not end the format war (I'm betting on not). But it could extend it, especially if no other studio bothers to do it. Can you imagine Warner being THD exclusive, Fox, Disney, Sony, etc. being BD exclusive and Universal & Weinstein being HD exclusive. Such a wide divide in the studios could mean we have to live with a 3 way format war for sometime. Not to mention, even if it is succesful, you'll still have the HD DVD group and the BDa trying to push hardware whichever direction as they get liscensing still under Total HD, so in essence you still could have war. All that potential mess for something that puts no real extra value or incentive in there for the consumer. This could unfold differently though, cuz if you haven't already noticed I'm quite the pessimest (sp?).
 
[quote name='geko29']The article also points out that one should not assume that these titles are being released on Blu-Ray just because they've been announced for DVD, because the Disney execs went out of their way to avoid mentioning that. Take it with a grain of salt until there's an official announcement.[/quote]

No, it doesn't point that out at all....... what the heck did you read?

From the BD page:

Additionally, they will be releasing some Miramax and Bruckheimer films, though none were mentioned by name, as well as other unannounced Disney titles. While the article takes great care to ensure these titles will be released on Blu-ray (in addition to DVD),

And then from the actual article itself:

And BVHE has a packed schedule of releases planned for the second half, which accounts for 41% of the company’s turnover, to stimulate sales.
These will be available in both DVD and Blu-ray, the new premium high definition format.
They include a Pirates of the Caribbean box set; Pirates 3, Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End; Jungle Book (released from the Disney back catalogue for the first time on DVD on 5 November); Santa Claus 3; new series for both Lost and Desperate Housewives and a new version of High Street Musical.

Like you said though, an official announcement is always best. Gonna wait and see.
 
[quote name='dpatel']You're not really getting extra. If it were a one format gen, you'd be getting the same stuff for a cheaper cost for the manufacturers, which could lead to cheaper prices on the consumer end.[/quote]
yes, because we all know how well a monopoly drives down prices. i guess thats why this pesky war has driven down prices twice as fast as dvd. no wait that doesnt make sense;)
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Two things: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=798272

Says all about the war.

2nd of all, I get 300 cheaper on Blu-ray, all because of non-extras that I never watch and not being a combo dvd-HD-DVD? I am so jealous. ;-) I buy movies for the movies, anything else is exactly that "an extra".[/quote] that is the biggest peice of fanboy drivel ive ever seen. so early in the picture declaring a winner is ridiculous. its like declaring the red sox the champs because they won the first game of the season.

notice not 1 place in his post does he mention that the HD market's sales are only a couple million as compared to billion DVD sales. yes im share 20% more sales (never mind the fact that its still only 8% more total) of 1% of the market for the past couple months equates to doom.:roll:
 
[quote name='dallow']No, it doesn't point that out at all....... what the heck did you read?.[/quote]
Sorry about that, I completely misread the blurb.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']Howabout we just chalk it to pointless, blind, fanboyism-like hatred for a company? Otherwise it's only likely to get more illogical.



Both articles are reports from CES:
http://tech.msn.com/products/article.aspx?cp-documentid=2507385

"Sanders also noted that Warner's own research indicated that consumers were willing to pay a little more for the peace of mind of knowing the disc will play on whichever type of player they buy."

http://www.dvdfile.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5860

"When Warner Home Video President Ron Sanders was asked about price, he replied that Total HD, “won't be very much more than current HD DVDs and Blu-ray Discs."

Personally I don't think it will be anymore than HD/DVD combos now, because it will never achieve much of anything if it is the most expensive thing in the market. However, I think you fail to see the potential problems with Total HD (where's the explanation of it giving it more anyhow), because they are essentially throwing in a third type of format. This may or may not end the format war (I'm betting on not). But it could extend it, especially if no other studio bothers to do it. Can you imagine Warner being THD exclusive, Fox, Disney, Sony, etc. being BD exclusive and Universal & Weinstein being HD exclusive. Such a wide divide in the studios could mean we have to live with a 3 way format war for sometime. Not to mention, even if it is succesful, you'll still have the HD DVD group and the BDa trying to push hardware whichever direction as they get liscensing still under Total HD, so in essence you still could have war. All that potential mess for something that puts no real extra value or incentive in there for the consumer. This could unfold differently though, cuz if you haven't already noticed I'm quite the pessimest (sp?).[/quote] like i said, sony has said things to the exact same tone in the past. just this year they have decleared the war won three sepereate occasions. "Mission Accomplished"


& w/ regards to TotalHD being a 3rd format? no, the whole point of TotalHD is consolidating the formats. thats why the VP Best Buy is so adamantly behind it. also format competition drives prices down not up. are discs more expensive for your dvd burner because they moved to +/- drives? again, if you look historically at the prices; the format war is causing them to drop FASTER not slower. think about it, neither format dies; dual format players available everywhere, studios not tied to either format & have more leverage w/ both licencers & production facilites.

nice of you to cut out the 1st part
"We're still working out the pricing," said Sanders. "We aren't announcing that here. It won't be materially more. We know what the manufacturing cost components are, and they won't be much more than regular HD discs."

the quote youre referring to is Warner talking to other studios & them referring to maintaining profit margins after implementing the tech. read between the lines.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/live-coverage-from-the-warner-press-conference/

"No retail price yet, but it is not cost prohibited.
If it motivates customers to buy it will be worth the cost." (the cost of implementing it to the studios, not to the customers)

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[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Two things: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=798272

Says all about the war.

2nd of all, I get 300 cheaper on Blu-ray, all because of non-extras that I never watch and not being a combo dvd-HD-DVD? I am so jealous. ;-) I buy movies for the movies, anything else is exactly that "an extra".[/quote] that is the biggest piece of fanboy drivel ive ever seen. so early in the picture declaring a winner is ridiculous. its like declaring the red sox the champs because they won the first game of the season.

notice not 1 place in his post does he mention that the HD market's sales are only a couple million as compared to billion DVD sales. yes im sure 20% more sales (never mind the fact that its still only 8% more total) of 1% of the market for the past couple months equates to doom.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']yes, because we all know how well a monopoly drives down prices. i guess thats why this pesky war has driven down prices twice as fast as dvd. no wait that doesnt make sense;)[/QUOTE]

Like I said, this is good for the short run, but, in the long run, it just seems like a waste of money and resources.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']that is the biggest piece of fanboy drivel ive ever seen. so early in the picture declaring a winner is ridiculous. its like declaring the red sox the champs because they won the first game of the season.[/QUOTE]

Not exactly. While I don't agree with those statements, your analogy is off. Right now, while both formats are selling poorly, it is all about gaining momentum. Momentum which can help them lead in the future. The more people on board, at the beginning, the more willing future people will be to get on board too.
 
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