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[quote name='H.Cornerstone']That hasn't been confirmed and is only a rumor, and plus who knows how long it will be till that version comes out.

BTW, is there an NPD for Movies? I would like to see how much each version of 300 sold.[/quote]It is confirmed, I'll get you a link.

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents

Snyder was diplomatic as he answered and spoke about the HD-DVD's picture-in-picture feature, but he wasn't exactly gushing either: "I don't know... it's kinda cool. I think. I don't know if the verdict's in..." Then the film's producer, Deborah Snyder (and Zach's wife, who was also on the panel), said that they were working on a more elaborate IME for the Blu-ray, which was going to have storyboards and production artwork in addition to the bluescreen footage. I don't think the Warner people saw THAT coming. I definitely saw a few eyes go wide in shock, let me tell you. I was surprised at the level of nervousness I sensed from the Warner people. This high-def format war definitely has people on edge.
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Haha, seems the movie's producer isn't that impressed by the PIP in the HD DVD version.
 
Deborah Snyder, the film's executive producer (and wife of '300' director Zack Snyder) revealed at a Comic-Con panel last week that indeed an in-movie experience feature for the Blu-ray edition of the film wasn't yet ready for this week's release. Later, according to an article in Home Media Magazine, she went further, saying "I think there's going to be another Blu-ray special edition later on."

That's what she said, she "Thought" but it isn't confirmed. I will wait till i hear an official word.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']I don't think so. The problem is that the BR version is just BR, the HD DVD version is a HD DVD/DVD combo. Its a very unfair comparison since the HD DVD/DVD version gets marked up $5-10 above standard HD DVD's.[/QUOTE]

With that in mind, wouldn't we expect the HD DVD version to sell more? At the very least, we can assume (1) someone who owns an HD DVD player doesn't care (much) about the DVD capabilities. It may be nice to travel with the disc and play it on a laptop, but the disc was bought for the HD DVD side. Also (2) the logic behind combo discs is to get people to buy HD DVD discs who don't yet own an HD DVD player; they can buy and play these discs, and get the player when they get an HDTV. This seems to make sense, because it increases incentives to buy the movie now (instead of waiting, thinking "HD/BR won't work on my player, but I'll buy one now, so I will hold off on buying the regular DVD version").

So, somewhat logically, combo discs have a far larger customer base than HD DVD (only) discs. We would expect them to sell better than BR, if that were the case. Right?
 
warner will definitely double dip on 300... i would not be suprised to see the special editions come out on both formats (hd version w/o dvd side)


Im suprised not to even see the trailers included on the hd versions...


Even though i hate the combo disks, ive bought the last few releases on hd because of features and better audio tracks
 
[quote name='seanr1221']When I bought 300 on Bluray yesterday, the man told me I made a good choice because HDdvd is dying. What he says is cannon.

IT'S OVA'![/quote]

i hate the retail baboons who feed that shit to customers...they know nothing!
 
I wanted to put a bullet in my head yesterday after I compared 300 480p DVD to 1080p Blu-ray. I'm so pissed off and depressed that I've bought all these DVD movies and now when I get this nice SHARP Aquos 42" 1080p LCD next month, while my games are going to look great, my movies are going to look like shit.

If anyone is on the fence regarding jumping to Blu-ray (and it should be Blu-ray, because a) you're going to get a PS3 eventually and b) while HD-DVD is superior format, technically speaking, far more studios back Blu-ray)... don't be on the fence anymore. If you're going to switch to HDTV, Blu-ray is worth it. You're probably going to feel sick when you see DVD on HDTV. It's that bad.

Of course, I haven't seen any DVDs upscaled with the PS3 yet. So maybe not all hope is lost.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']With that in mind, wouldn't we expect the HD DVD version to sell more? At the very least, we can assume (1) someone who owns an HD DVD player doesn't care (much) about the DVD capabilities. It may be nice to travel with the disc and play it on a laptop, but the disc was bought for the HD DVD side. Also (2) the logic behind combo discs is to get people to buy HD DVD discs who don't yet own an HD DVD player; they can buy and play these discs, and get the player when they get an HDTV. This seems to make sense, because it increases incentives to buy the movie now (instead of waiting, thinking "HD/BR won't work on my player, but I'll buy one now, so I will hold off on buying the regular DVD version").

So, somewhat logically, combo discs have a far larger customer base than HD DVD (only) discs. We would expect them to sell better than BR, if that were the case. Right?[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't agree. I doubt there are many people without HDTVs and/or HD-DVD players that buy combo discs. Apparently, the numbers agree with me.

I agree with redgopher's logic. I could care less who "wins" this format "war", but I will only buy Blu-Ray films because of that fact that the a BR player comes with the PS3, so I don't have to buy an add-on.
 
[quote name='redgopher']Of course, I haven't seen any DVDs upscaled with the PS3 yet. So maybe not all hope is lost.[/QUOTE]

LOTR looks *incredible* upscaled, so don't feel like you need to toss out your entire DVD collection yet.

EDIT: zew, I was arguing the logic behind the combo discs. Taking price into account, HD DVD users are bitter about paying $5 more for DVD, and DVD owners, evidently, aren't upgrading their film collection ahead of upgrading their players. I wasn't arguing that the combo disc logic *was* working, but that, ideally, that's how it should work (combo discs have a larger customer base than BR/HD exclusively).
 
[quote name='redgopher']I wanted to put a bullet in my head yesterday after I compared 300 480p DVD to 1080p Blu-ray. I'm so pissed off and depressed that I've bought all these DVD movies and now when I get this nice SHARP Aquos 42" 1080p LCD next month, while my games are going to look great, my movies are going to look like shit.

If anyone is on the fence regarding jumping to Blu-ray (and it should be Blu-ray, because a) you're going to get a PS3 eventually and b) while HD-DVD is superior format, technically speaking, far more studios back Blu-ray)... don't be on the fence anymore. If you're going to switch to HDTV, Blu-ray is worth it. You're probably going to feel sick when you see DVD on HDTV. It's that bad.

Of course, I haven't seen any DVDs upscaled with the PS3 yet. So maybe not all hope is lost.[/QUOTE]


So everyone is going to get a PS3 at some point? I doubt that. I have yet to even use my controller for my PS3 unless its a firmware update or to play the Ninja Gaiden demo that one time.
 
i would still be hd-only had i not bought a sealed 20gb from a friend for a really good price....

I also got a few br movies from a friend who had a hookup and would get them cheap...i guess the guy would sell stolen or review copies..
 
[quote name='Dante Devil']I am very discouraged with HD-DVD. I bought the 360 add-on and noticed that there were many movies only available for blu-ray only.

Many retail outlets have switched over to carrying only blu-ray movies. Also, 360 HD-DVD add on price drop (now at $150 @ BB.com) don't make me feel confident with the HD-DVD format.[/QUOTE]

So PS3 dropping $100 is OK though? Blu-Ray players that started out at $1,000 dropping to $500 less then a year later is OK? But that $20 price drop....wow, WHAT a blow there!
 
if anything the more the hd add on drops, the better... there is alot of 360's out there....with i would say a good percentage of them have hd tv's..

for less than 200, you can have an addon and 5 movies? cmon thats a fucking steal
 
[quote name='guyver2077']upscaling for the most part is pretty much "overhyped"..

only a few movies stand out more...[/QUOTE]

I've noticed quiet an improvement for my movies. Obviously BD/HD-DVD movies are going to look better, but I am content with upscaled DVDs, and am in no rush to replace my DVD collection because of it.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']So PS3 dropping $100 is OK though? Blu-Ray players that started out at $1,000 dropping to $500 less then a year later is OK? But that $20 price drop....wow, WHAT a blow there![/quote]

A bit different, whenever your the first to buy a system, it's always inevitable that the system will drop in price, especially when you buy something with such new technology. Now, if he just bought his HD-DVD add-on 3 weeks ago and the price dropped, wouldn't you be upset by that? I understand why he is upset, but it's just part of being an early adopter. No reason to criticize him for it.

And I would be upset if I bought 180$ piece of equipment for a dead format. ;)
 
Sorry if this is old news, but it seems new on fark, and contradicts previous belief that blu-ray is anti-porn (which I think people give to much weight to anyway in the format war since I would assume most porn is downloaded in modern times).

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9028619&intsrc=news_ts_head

August 01, 2007 (IDG News Service) -- The HD-DVD high-definition movie format may have the lead in the U.S. porn industry, but Japanese adult film makers have turned decisively to Blu-ray Disc, breathing new life into that format's bid to replace DVDs as the disc of choice for home movies.
Sony Corp. has started offering more technical support to the adult film industry in Japan, movie makers said at the Adult Treasure Expo 2007 in Chiba, Japan, and the problem they have had finding companies to mass-produce their movies appears to be over.
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I'm not a porn market expert, but my assumption is that this is good news for blu-ray.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']A bit different, whenever your the first to buy a system, it's always inevitable that the system will drop in price, especially when you buy something with such new technology. Now, if he just bought his HD-DVD add-on 3 weeks ago and the price dropped, wouldn't you be upset by that? I understand why he is upset, but it's just part of being an early adopter. No reason to criticize him for it.

And I would be upset if I bought 180$ piece of equipment for a dead format. ;)[/QUOTE]

No..its $20. Games often drop in price just as fast. Take receipt to store and get a refund. Return it, and re-buy it. Many options.

Hell, you may be mad you bought into a 'dead' movie format, but at least I didn't buy into a dead gaming format exclusively. Man would I be pissed off if PS3 was my only gaming system.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']No..its $20. Games often drop in price just as fast. Take receipt to store and get a refund. Return it, and re-buy it. Many options.

Hell, you may be mad you bought into a 'dead' movie format, but at least I didn't buy into a dead gaming format exclusively. Man would I be pissed off if PS3 was my only gaming system.[/quote]

;) = joke. :) And who says I play PS3 exclusively? My DS and PC are great as well. :lol:
 
[quote name='redgopher']

Of course, I haven't seen any DVDs upscaled with the PS3 yet. So maybe not all hope is lost.[/QUOTE]

The upscaled DVDs I viewed on my 32 inch HDTV in 1080i on both 360 and PS3 look really good. Sure, maybe not the "OMFG DAT IS SUM INSANE SHAT~!!" quality of Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, but good nonetheless.

I'm not convinced HD-DVD is going to be completely dead after the next holiday season. The likely outcome is that it goes the UMD route, ie; it's still supported, but only sporadically.

This doen't concern me in the least as I have my shiny new Blu-Ray player, the version dubbed "Playstation 3". Coincidentally, it also plays Video Games.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']
This doen't concern me in the least as I have my shiny new Blu-Ray player, the version dubbed "Playstation 3". Coincidentally, it also plays Video Games.[/QUOTE]

Yes, that trojan is what most people use to play Blu-Ray movies. Sadly, since the game lineup is so poor this Holiday Blu-Ray movie sales will continue to climb. Gotta use that brick for something, right?
 
[quote name='dallow']Favoring them only because they don't sell HD DVD standalones.
(only gamers consider the HD DVD a viable player)

But yes, I'm sure the cheaper Toshiba players will start showing up in many places.

Funimation going BD is old news but nice to see they actually announce a title now.[/QUOTE]

my friend bought his hd dvd add on for the PC and I never seen him play a video game ever. I also use mine exclusively on my PC.

There's people out there who don't game and still buy the add on
 
[quote name='rsigley']my friend bought his hd dvd add on for the PC and I never seen him play a video game ever. I also use mine exclusively on my PC.

There's people out there who don't game and still buy the add on[/QUOTE]

Yes, But those people are very very slim.
 
Toshiba Announced the A3x Line...
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Toshiba takes the Hi Def movie experience to a whole new level with 24 frames per second support, CE-Link connectivity, High Bit Rate Audio
capabilities and unmatched interactivity functionality

WAYNE, N.J., Aug. 6 /PRNewswire/ -- Toshiba America Consumer Products,
L.L.C. ("Toshiba"), announced today its third generation of HD DVD players
for the U.S. market. Continuing to outpace the competition in sales of
dedicated high definition players and responding to increased consumer
demand, Toshiba revealed three new sleek and stylish models for an ultimate
HD home movie experience. With all three new models priced under $500
(MSRP), Toshiba is delivering a powerful line-up of HD DVD players designed
to meet the aggressive growth in demand for high definition TVs.

"With a majority market share in unit sales of next generation DVD
players, consumers are speaking loud and clear, and they are adopting HD
DVD as their HD movie format of choice," said Jodi Sally, Vice President of
Marketing, Toshiba's Digital A/V Group. "Because of the proven
manufacturing efficiencies of the HD DVD format, Toshiba can bring this
level of innovation in technology to a new generation of players with
cutting-edge functionality at affordable prices."

Building on the success of its first and second generation players, new
leading enhancements in select models in the third generation line include
an improvement in video performance with 1080p/24 frames per second (24p)
support. Movie films are traditionally captured at 24 frames per second and
select Toshiba third generation HD DVD players will be able to maintain
this frame rate allowing consumers to enjoy movies in their native frame
rate.

Also added to the line is "CE-Link" (HDMI(TM)-CEC) connectivity which
offers the capability to communicate with and control another CE device in
a whole new way. For instance, using "CE-Link" with "One Touch Play"
consumers will be able to turn on a CEC capable HDTV and a Toshiba HD DVD
player, and start playing a movie, with a single touch of a button on the
player remote.

Toshiba Third Generation HD DVD Models

Toshiba's third generation family starts with the entry level HD-A3
player featuring 1080i output capability. The other two new models,
Toshiba's HD-A30 and HD-A35, will output 1080p resolution (1920 x 1080p),
the highest HD signal currently available. Both models are capable of
outputing signals at 1080p/24 frames per second so consumers can enjoy
movies in their native frame rate. The HD-A30 and HD-A35 models also
feature "CE-Link" (HDMI-CEC), allowing two- way control between the HD DVD player and a TV through an HDMI connection.

The top-of-the-line HD-A35 also adds support for Deep Color via HDMI
allowing compatible display devices to deliver outstanding video quality -
displaying millions of possible colors to billions of possible colors.

Additionally, the HD-A35 offers 5.1 channel analog output and High Bit
Rate Audio (up to 7.1 channel) via HDMI. With content encoded in 7.1ch,
this advanced surround sound is achieved through the HDMI connection
bypassing the player's internal audio processor and sending the signal to a
7.1 capable A/V receiver. High Bit Rate Audio will allow the consumer to
integrate the HD-A35 with the latest multi-channel A/V receivers and enjoy
a whole new dimension of high definition home entertainment.

All of Toshiba's third generation HD DVD players are refined with new
cosmetic designs. Rounded edges, slim chassis (only 59.5 mm - nearly half
as tall as first generation players) and high gloss, black acrylic face
plates create very sleek devices - a perfect complement to Toshiba's award
winning REGZA(R) HD LCD televisions.

Beyond the Hi Def Movie Experience

Starting with 1st generation players, all of Toshiba's HD DVD players
support the enhanced features of the HD DVD format mandated by the DVD
Forum including picture-in-picture video, audio commentary and the ability
to allow web-enabled network capabilities. Using the Ethernet ports found
on all Toshiba HD DVD players, once connected to the network, users can
access bonus features, as available, from a movie studio's server. This
data is then saved in the player's persistent storage and can be accessed
by the user. In addition to accessing new bonus features, some HD DVD discs
may include locked prerecorded content which can be unlocked with a
downloadable key from the studio's online server. Web-enabled capability is
now opening the door to a new entertainment experience beyond hi def video
and audio.

"Consumers will always have a consistent experience with HD DVD as we
have an established platform to keep the players updated to ensure the
ultimate HD movie experience," said Yoshi Uchiyama, Group Vice President,
Toshiba's Digital A/V Group. "A mandatory Ethernet port in all HD DVD
players ensures that consumers can receive updates to their units to
support the latest offerings from the studios and maximizing their
investment in the format."

All of Toshiba's HD DVD models are backward compatible allowing users
to enjoy their libraries of current DVD and CD software while enhancing the
look of regular DVDs by upconverting them to near high definition quality.

For more information on HD DVD, please visit http://www.toshibahddvd.com.
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Expected Pricing and Expected Availability:
HD-A3 ($299.99, October 2007)
HD-A30 ($399.99, September 2007)
HD-A35 ($499.99, October 2007)

Nice blow against Blu-Ray in there. Remember, come October BD-J will be at 1.1 ....meaning all standalone players, including the new Samsung Dual Player (!), will be unable to play certain features of new discs. Only the $2,000 Denon Blu-Ray player will be able to use BD-J 1.1.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']

Nice blow against Blu-Ray in there. Remember, come October BD-J will be at 1.1 ....meaning all standalone players, including the new Samsung Dual Player (!), will be unable to play certain features of new discs. Only the $2,000 Denon Blu-Ray player will be able to use BD-J 1.1.[/QUOTE]



Or they could just have a disc with the update on it, perhaps? I doubt they'll just let their players become paperweights.

that toshiba player looks nice. but "unmatched interactive functionality" to me means the ability to play PS1,2, and 3 games on it ;)
 
[quote name='Apossum']Or they could just have a disc with the update on it, perhaps? I doubt they'll just let their players become paperweights.

that toshiba player looks nice. but "unmatched interactive functionality" to me means the ability to play PS1,2, and 3 games on it ;)[/QUOTE]

A disc wouldn't help. The PiP functions and other features needs storage...something Blu-Ray players don't have. PS3 does, which is great, but thats a gaming machine. I figured the Sony fanboy's would spin this so go for it. All those 100,000 that myke just made up will have to re-purchase Blu-Ray players to be able to enjoy new movies. THAT sucks any way you look at it. But hey, thats what happens when you buy into an unfinished format with unfulfilled promises.
 
No, they would have to buy a new BR player to enjoy special features, not the movie itself. The majority of BR owners with the PS3 (~95%+, counting the millions sold compared to 100K stand-alones) are just fine.

I just can't, can't, can't grasp your bitterness towards a format you own and support. I fuckin' hate Republicans, so I don't vote for them or donate to their cause. Yet, somehow, you own and use BR discs, despite taking any opportunity to dump on them. Can't you simply wait for the format war to be over, and, you know, actually support your preferred format by only buying discs for them?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']No, they would have to buy a new BR player to enjoy special features, not the movie itself. The majority of BR owners with the PS3 (~95%+, counting the millions sold compared to 100K stand-alones) are just fine.

I just can't, can't, can't grasp your bitterness towards a format you own and support. I fuckin' hate Republicans, so I don't vote for them or donate to their cause. Yet, somehow, you own and use BR discs, despite taking any opportunity to dump on them. Can't you simply wait for the format war to be over, and, you know, actually support your preferred format by only buying discs for them?[/QUOTE]

You still bought into an unfinished format. How is that fair to the 100k who purchased stand-alone players? It will only become more common now that standalone players are the same price or cheaper then the PS3. Hardly fair they can't take advantage of special features because the BDA couldn't get their shit together over a year ago.

Why wait for the war to be over? It never will be. Both formats will be around for a long time. Any stating otherwise is simply a fanboy of either format. Universal will not be going neutral. Sony will not be either. You are more likely to see smaller studios releasing on both formats. I'd much rather enjoy movies from both formats then just one. Blu-Ray has tons of movie from studios I want to own, and sadly, I have to buy into their unfinished format to watch them in HD.

MS does not want Blu-Ray to succeed. If it does, they would have to use Blu-Ray discs for their next system instead of HD DVDs. If anything, Microsoft will keep HD DVD afloat for this very reason. Hell, PS3 is suppose to be a '10 year system' so we may be on the Xbox 1200 or whatever they call it by then.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']A disc wouldn't help. The PiP functions and other features needs storage...something Blu-Ray players don't have. PS3 does, which is great, but thats a gaming machine. I figured the Sony fanboy's would spin this so go for it. All those 100,000 that myke just made up will have to re-purchase Blu-Ray players to be able to enjoy new movies. THAT sucks any way you look at it. But hey, thats what happens when you buy into an unfinished format with unfulfilled promises.[/quote]Now that's a tech find I hadn't heard of yet. So you're saying that all current standalone players, except the PS3 won't be able to support the newer discs coming up with that feature-set? Or are you also saying the PS3 will be just as hobbled by this as every other stand-alone Blu-Ray player on the market currently?

Edit: Never mind mykevermin answered it. Can't believe they'd overlook that for the current stand-alone Blu-Ray players. I'd be pissed considering how much they charge for stand-alones.
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']Now that's a tech find I hadn't heard of yet. So you're saying that all current standalone players, except the PS3 won't be able to support the newer discs coming up with that feature-set? Or are you also saying the PS3 will be just as hobbled by this as every other stand-alone Blu-Ray player on the market currently?

Edit: Never mind mykevermin answered it. Can't believe they'd overlook that for the current stand-alone Blu-Ray players. I'd be pissed considering how much they charge for stand-alones.[/QUOTE]

Standalones won't. PS3 SHOULD (not proven, but with 20GB HDDs minimum installed it shouldn't be an issue. I doubt Sony would piss off 90%+ of their Blu-Ray audience). Standalone' simply can't handle the 1.1 standard of BD-J. While the movies will play, certain special features will not.
 
i have a Pioneer BDC202, hopefully that will support 1.1 espically since it just came out

don't want to be stuck with a $300 drive that can't do everything
 
[quote name='mykevermin']"I have to."

:rofl:

What a weak will you have.[/QUOTE]

Care to explain? Hell at least I have both formats unlike many Sony fanboy's with nothing to say but 'Sony is the best!!!! blue-ray FTW!'.
 
[quote name='rsigley']i have a Pioneer BDC202, hopefully that will support 1.1

don't want to be stuck with a $300 drive that can't do everything[/QUOTE]

Is that PC Drive? I have no idea for those, but anything else besides the upcoming $2,000 Denon, may not be able to play discs using the new BD-J 1.1 Profile. Again, thank the BDA for having an unfinished format.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Care to explain? Hell at least I have both formats unlike many Sony fanboy's with nothing to say but 'Sony is the best!!!! blue-ray FTW!'.[/quote]

qft
 
I don't buy HD DVD because I really do feel it's BD that will come out on top in the end.

Average Joe is all abuzz about BD just from watercooler talk etc.
I have honestly never heard ANYONE mention HD DVDs when talking about their new TVs, etc.

Unlike a lot of people on here.
I'm supporting the format I enjoy and and hope to enjoy for years to come.

Sorry Giz, and to anyone else. IT IS STUPID TO SUPPORT BOTH.
 
[quote name='dallow']Is Gizmo at it again?

::Yawn::....[/QUOTE]

How is that Blu popsicle? Good? Get both formats and THEN maybe you will not sound so much like a fanboy.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Is that PC Drive? I have no idea for those, but anything else besides the upcoming $2,000 Denon, may not be able to play discs using the new BD-J 1.1 Profile. Again, thank the BDA for having an unfinished format.[/QUOTE]

yea it's a PC Drive rather new one

i had a ps3 up until right before it dropped to $500, but the only game i played on was mk2 so i got lucky and dumped it for a $20 loss from what i paid and got this drive for $270 + tax + ship
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']How is that Blu popsicle? Good? Get both formats and THEN maybe you will not sound so much like a fanboy.[/QUOTE]

You! Stop with the "f" word!

Of all goddamned people, too. Am I a "fanboy"? Not at all; I can admit that HD DVD has some superior qualities to BR (for the moment). How can I deny that, given the differences in the feature set for 300?

Nevertheless, I am not interested in supporting both formats. I wanted to get a PS3, and I did; I became a de facto BR supporter as a result. I wasn't too concerned w/ either format, frankly, but Sony's "trojan" approach made me an owner.

Why would I buy an HD DVD player now? I don't need one (or either, frankly).

Since I own a BR player, I do want it to "win" the format war. Why should I support the format I don't want to survive?

Are there HD DVD movies I want? The Big Lebowski is pretty appealing, to be fair. So, yes; I won't lie. Maybe (maybe) Batman Begins, too. But, here's where you and I differ: will power. I don't want HD DVD to "win the war," so I'm not buying their stuff. I'm not going to prolong the war by giving money to the HD DVD team. That's absurd.

Now, if I were to adopt HD DVD, I certainly wouldn't begrudgingly own one. If I owned both, I frankly wouldn't care what movie came out on what format. I would have my bases covered, right? So, if I owned both formats, why should I waste my time telling people which format is better? Why should I care? What would it matter?

So, for those reasons, in addition to your everyday general obtuseness, I request that you stop using the word "fanboy" to describe anyone for anything. Except maybe "The Mana Knight." You gotta have exceptions.

EDIT: I find it rather telling that, b/w Gizmo and Guyver, we have two HD DVD fanatics that...both also own BR players. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Stick it to the man, you two!
 
[quote name='mykevermin']You! Stop with the "f" word!

Of all goddamned people, too. Am I a "fanboy"? Not at all; I can admit that HD DVD has some superior qualities to BR (for the moment). How can I deny that, given the differences in the feature set for 300?

Nevertheless, I am not interested in supporting both formats. I wanted to get a PS3, and I did; I became a de facto BR supporter as a result. I wasn't too concerned w/ either format, frankly, but Sony's "trojan" approach made me an owner.

Why would I buy an HD DVD player now? I don't need one (or either, frankly).

Since I own a BR player, I do want it to "win" the format war. Why should I support the format I don't want to survive?

Are there HD DVD movies I want? The Big Lebowski is pretty appealing, to be fair. So, yes; I won't lie. Maybe (maybe) Batman Begins, too. But, here's where you and I differ: will power. I don't want HD DVD to "win the war," so I'm not buying their stuff. I'm not going to prolong the war by giving money to the HD DVD team. That's absurd.

Now, if I were to adopt HD DVD, I certainly wouldn't begrudgingly own one. If I owned both, I frankly wouldn't care what movie came out on what format. I would have my bases covered, right? So, if I owned both formats, why should I waste my time telling people which format is better? Why should I care? What would it matter?

So, for those reasons, in addition to your everyday general obtuseness, I request that you stop using the word "fanboy" to describe anyone for anything. Except maybe "The Mana Knight." You gotta have exceptions.[/QUOTE]

That's fine. Understandable. For me, I want HD stuff NOW, not later IF a format dies, or one goes away. Since I got my PS3 for cheap, it was not a big deal for me to enter Blu-Ray. Since then I have 22 Blu-Ray movies and 45 HD DVDs. I still prefer HD DVD over Blu-Ray, but will buy any and all exclusive Blu-Ray titles over the DVD counterpart.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']EDIT: I find it rather telling that, b/w Gizmo and Guyver, we have two HD DVD fanatics that...both also own BR players. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Stick it to the man, you two![/QUOTE]

Again, we would much rather watch all possible movies in HD then only a certain %. Unlike many Blu-Ray fanboys who have only one format and will continue to post stuff like 'HD DVD sucks. HD DVD have bad PQ. HD DVD has no exclusives....etc'.
 
[quote name='rsigley']yea it's a PC Drive rather new one

i had a ps3 up until right before it dropped to $500, but the only game i played on was mk2 so i got lucky and dumped it for a $20 loss from what i paid and got this drive for $270 + tax + ship[/quote]

haha lol i only play mk2 on it as well.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']That's fine. Understandable. For me, I want HD stuff NOW, not later IF a format dies, or one goes away. Since I got my PS3 for cheap, it was not a big deal for me to enter Blu-Ray. Since then I have 22 Blu-Ray movies and 45 HD DVDs. I still prefer HD DVD over Blu-Ray, but will buy any and all exclusive Blu-Ray titles over the DVD counterpart.[/QUOTE]

Like I said. "will power."

[quote name='GizmoGC']Again, we would much rather watch all possible movies in HD then only a certain %. Unlike many Blu-Ray fanboys who have only one format and will continue to post stuff like 'HD DVD sucks. HD DVD have bad PQ. HD DVD has no exclusives....etc'.[/QUOTE]

Find where I said any of those things. Go. Do it. I'll sit back and have a laugh about the number of HD DVD players sold in the US and abroad, and the naive idea that it will actually win the format war. I have never said, though, that there is any difference in quality of the discs, whether in terms of picture or audio. I'm not a very nice person, but nor am I so wrongheaded as to say things that aren't true.
 
Yeah, Giz, find my posts where I bang on about how much HD DVD sucks. :roll:

You might be surprised to find the posts of mine where I recommend the A2 to people who really want to get an HD DVD player.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Chacranajxy respects HD DVD owners the way he respects women, I suppose. :lol:[/quote]

i bet money hes downloading hentai at this very moment!
 
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