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I don't think he said that.

Not everyone has to have tech specs mandating why they choose a certain format; some people just want to enjoy movies without any hassle (another reason HD tech is slow to adapt to, aside from the format war: the amount of knowledge necessary to buy into and experience HD).

That said, I'm not defending Richlough...but saying he feels HD is better technology is putting words in his mouth. I'm sure that many HD DVD owners are grudgingly acknowledging that they'd rather have BR disc capacity right now (though they'd never admit to it) so they could experience lossless audio on Transformers. ;)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I don't think he said that.

Not everyone has to have tech specs mandating why they choose a certain format; some people just want to enjoy movies without any hassle (another reason HD tech is slow to adapt to, aside from the format war: the amount of knowledge necessary to buy into and experience HD).

That said, I'm not defending Richlough...but saying he feels HD is better technology is putting words in his mouth. I'm sure that many HD DVD owners are grudgingly acknowledging that [/quote]Yes, I know all this tech mumbo-jumbo would confuse the heck out of my parents.

Pop in and play is still slightly out of reach with slight problems on both sides.

they'd rather have BR disc capacity right now (though they'd never admit to it) so they could experience lossless audio on Transformers. ;)
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It'd be nice to have A Clockwork Orange on 1 disc instead of 2 as well.
 
[quote name='dallow']Yes, I know all this tech mumbo-jumbo would confuse the heck out of my parents.

Pop in and play is still slightly out of reach with slight problems on both sides.[/quote]

Yep. Display types aren't that big of a deal (not everyone owned a "Trinitron" back in the day), so the LCD/Plasma/DLP thing isn't so bad. Varying resolutions is problematic, as are the kinds of connections necessary; how man people do you think bought a PS3 and an LCD tv, only to plug the RCA cables in there and think they got HD?

And that's not even getting into upscaling, aspect ratio, and all that other good jazz.

It'd be nice to have A Clockwork Orange on 1 disc instead of 2 as well.
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C'mon, dude. Perceived value! :lol:

I have to say that HD really struck me when watching this movie, as I swear I caught a glimpse of Malcolm's McDowell during the "singin' in the rain" sequence. That caught me off guard. :lol:
 
[quote name='mykevermin']II'm sure that many HD DVD owners are grudgingly acknowledging that they'd rather have BR disc capacity right now (though they'd never admit to it) so they could experience lossless audio on Transformers. ;)[/quote]
Remind me again how many Paramount Blu-Rays have lossless audio? :lol: Remember, Paramount did seperate video encodes for Blu-Ray when they were releasing them, so if space was the only limitation (which 5GB free on Transformers proves it isn't), then every single Paramount title had LPCM on the Blu-Ray version, right? After all, there was plenty of space for it....
 
You know it's the studio's fault. And they were chided for it for a long time.
Warner as well was an early offender.
Paramount was just starting to use LPCM until the HD DVD deal.
 
[quote name='dallow']On HD DVD I would like Grand Prix, Adventures of Robin Hood, and maybe a couple others.

Ricklough, why don't you start by saying why you feel HD DVD is the choice for you other than Universal.
Why do you feel HD DVD is the superior media technically?[/QUOTE]

I like older movies , a majority of my current DVD collection is Universal/Warner .
This is about movies right ?

I was looking at the BR movies at BB it seemed like they had a lot of them [at least 1/3 more than what was in stock for HD DVD .[Actually their website shows 437 BR - 377 HD, so I guess they had more repeats of each title]

Upon closer examination I realized 25% of them were movies I would never even rent on DVD .

I suppose you want examples , well here you go ,
Invicible
MI III
Hitch [a real winner on UMD too]
Stealth [see above]
Vertical Limit
Hairspray [enjoy your exclusivity on that]
 
This is about the format.
And it's uses for media entertainment, computer use, game use, etc.

I don't care what movies you like really, and it doesn't matter what I like.
I can count the movies on both formats combined at the moment that I truly care about on my hands. The rest is just silly stuff, and trash.

It's a start though.
 
How many movies have you guys upgaded to HD ? I'm at zero but I know if there was an HD version of a few of my movies I would get them.

There was a lot of anger at HD movies because people didn't want to re-buy their movie collection. But I don't see that argument so much any more.
 
[quote name='KingDox']How many movies have you guys upgaded to HD ? I'm at zero but I know if there was an HD version of a few of my movies I would get them.

There was a lot of anger at HD movies because people didn't want to re-buy their movie collection. But I don't see that argument so much any more.[/quote]I think it's because people are seeing how much of a difference they do make when you own an HDTV.
Makes the pill easier to swallow.

I was very picky with my DVD selection so it's pretty eclectic.
It'll be a while before it comes to HD.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']shit. i want to replace all my movies in hd..

why would i be angry at getting a movie i like in better quality[/QUOTE]

Every movie that is out on HD that I had on SD has been replaced. Of course, I didn't have that big of a collection but I just sold the DVDs and put the money towards the HD-DVDs.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Every movie that is out on HD that I had on SD has been replaced. Of course, I didn't have that big of a collection but I just sold the DVDs and put the money towards the HD-DVDs.[/QUOTE]

What method of selling did you use? A combination of ebay etc or trade ins?

I am just getting to this point and have over 300 dvd's I kind of went crazy a 3-4 years ago. The last year or two I have bought less than 10 movies.
 
thank god i never went crazy with dvd's.. i mainly have personal favs and the big blockbusters..

i think my collection is almost comparable in size to my dvd movie collection
 
[quote name='Snake2715']What method of selling did you use? A combination of ebay etc or trade ins?

I am just getting to this point and have over 300 dvd's I kind of went crazy a 3-4 years ago. The last year or two I have bought less than 10 movies.[/QUOTE]

Just various forums, mainly SomethingAwful.

You won't get alot for them but it's much easier to accept $11-13 for an upgrade instead of $20 or at least it is in my mind.

I also got lucky with a few. My Criterion Fear & Loathing paid for my HD-DVD version in full and my Band Of Brothers set picked up half of the cost of importing them from a friend in Japan ($80).
 
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...er_Weinstein_Goes_MIA_Speculation_Mounts/1105
HD DVD Backer Weinstein Goes MIA; Speculation Mounts
Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 11:00 AM ET
Tags: Weinstein Co. (all tags)

With no releases or announcements from the Weinstein Company in over four months, speculation is mounting that there are changes afoot for the HD DVD exclusive distributor.

Although the well-regarded indie had been among the HD DVD camp's most high-profile exclusive studio partners, releasing nearly a dozen titles over the first six months of this year (including 'Clerks II,' 'Lucky Number Slevin' and 'Scary Movie 4'), the studio has been uncharacteristically quiet in recent months.
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In fact, we haven't heard a peep from Weinstein on the next-gen front since the studio's June 12 HD DVD releases of 'Harsh Times' and 'Black Xmas.'

Could the studio be re-evaluating its HD DVD exclusivity stance? That's the current speculation among industry insiders and fans alike.

We recently brought the question to the studio itself, asking a Weinstein spokesperson to comment on the ongoing rumors, but his response seems likely to only add fuel to fire. "We aren’t commenting on our High-Def plans at this time" was the only word back from the studio.

So what's cooking? Darned if we know, but with such highly anticipated next-gen titles as 'Grindhouse' and '1408' waiting in the wings, here's hoping the studio will break its silence sometime soon.
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Didn't Weinstein already annouce titles on Blu-ray in Europe?
 
C'mon Black Christmas to BR!

Seriously, I'm not going to get fooled by speculation again (well, studio speculation at any rate :lol:). When they announce a BR title, I'll be happy. Until then, it's much ado about nothing. Warner going BR-exclusive fiasco, anyone?
 
That's a weird and dumb article, just because they don't announce titles, lets assume that they're going neutral or they are changing stance :roll:
Fox canceled/delayed a whole bunch of Blu-Ray titles a while back and you never saw articles questioning Fox's stance. This is why I hate the damn media, always spinning shit when there's nothing there.
 
According to a few sources HD DVD won last week with a 52:48. I was guessing 60:40...but oh well. Apparently both POTC movie were 2nd and 3rd :lol: Way to go, BOGO!
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...er_Weinstein_Goes_MIA_Speculation_Mounts/1105


Didn't Weinstein already annouce titles on Blu-ray in Europe?[/QUOTE]

I don't think Weinstein has ever said they were HD DVD exclusive. Its cheaper and easier to make movies for it then Blu-ray at the moment. EVERY SINGLE release by Weinsten has NEVER been a day a date with the DVD. Clerks II arrives months after the DVD. Pulse. Black Xmas. Lucky Number Slevin etc. I don't understand the reason behind this, but common sense would say releasing the HD DVD on the same day as the DVD would mean in increase in HD DVD sales as HD DVD owners like myself would buy that before the DVD. They chose not to, and by the time the movie arrives on HD DVD, the DVD of said movie is not in the "bargain' pricing scheme of $9.99 or less. The majority of sales from DVDs come from the first 2 weeks. After that they taper off, hence why they are on sale a few weeks/months later for half of what they originally retailed for.

If Weinstein went neutral I wouldn't care, nor would very many others. They have only released a handful of HD DVDs to date, and there not even that great PQ wise. Hell, I don't know how any of the smaller studios are exclusive to either side as it makes no sense. Just release on both and capture the audience. Weinstein will not change the format war. Lionsgate won't.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']According to a few sources HD DVD won last week with a 52:48. I was guessing 60:40...but oh well. Apparently both POTC movie were 2nd and 3rd :lol: Way to go, BOGO![/QUOTE]

I'm not believing anything until tomorrow. 52:48 for HD DVD is not what exactly going to blow minds; the only week they stand a chance at winning this year, and it's by 4 points? Yikes. They better hope its bigger than that.

EDIT: Huh. Home Media Magazine says it was 51/49 BR/HD, with Transformers selling 115K.
http://www.homemediamagazine.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?sec_id=2&&article_ID=11439

C'mon. Did you *really* believe Paramount's press release?

EDIT: Didn't realize that it was BR that won the week. Though it's really too close to call. Like Bush/Gore close.
 
[quote name='dpatel']For shame.. you're usually really good with links, quoting, and bolding news such as this.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, oh well.

Pretty sad that he BDA had to give away tens of thousands of discs just to maintain this slight lead. Oh well. Condition your customers to wait for BOGO sales is a smart thing to do :roll:
 
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Pretty sad that he BDA had to give away tens of thousands of discs just to maintain this slight lead. [/QUOTE]

You mean like the HD camp giving away Heroes and 7 movies when someone buys a player to boost sales?
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']You mean like the HD camp giving away Heroes and 7 movies when someone buys a player to boost sales?[/QUOTE]

Yes, like the BDA giving away 2 free movies with a Samsung and 5 by mail. Or Sony giving away Spider-Man with PS3 or... We can do this all night.

I really want to see how many copies both POTC sold for the Transformers week. The comparison between this week and the week before will give a big clue to how many movies the BDA gave away for free.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Pretty sad that he BDA had to give away tens of thousands of discs just to maintain this slight lead. Oh well. Condition your customers to wait for BOGO sales is a smart thing to do :roll:[/QUOTE]

Agreed. BDA should not be concerned with moving more software, promoting their format, and outselling the competition. Instead, they should forget about pricing competitively and watch as the competition outsells their format (the format that many large companies have vested a large amount of money and time in and hope to make a large return in royalties, sometime in the future).

...talk about priorities :roll:

I think it was very fair of HD-DVD to not pull these same moves that the BDA seems to be doing. So far, looking at YTD numbers, it seems to definitely be paying off.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']You mean like the HD camp giving away Heroes and 7 movies when someone buys a player to boost sales?[/QUOTE]

Nah, dude. That's different.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Yes, like the BDA giving away 2 free movies with a Samsung and 5 by mail. Or Sony giving away Spider-Man with PS3 or... We can do this all night.[/QUOTE]

So, just so we're clear on this, it's only sad when BDA does it?
 
[quote name='dpatel']So, just so we're clear on this, it's only sad when BDA does it?[/QUOTE]

Both formats give away movies with the purchase a player. Its sad he has to bring the point up as if it makes a difference.

What is sad is the"dead" format is still alive and closing the gap. Hell, the BDA was so afraid they have to give away tens of thousands of discs for free just so they can say "we won" for one week :lol: You would think that a format with 10x the players wouldn't have to do this...right?
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Both formats give away movies with the purchase a player. Its sad he has to bring the point up as if it makes a difference.

What is sad is the"dead" format is still alive and closing the gap. Hell, the BDA was so afraid they have to give away tens of thousands of discs for free just so they can say "we won" for one week :lol: You would think that a format with 10x the players wouldn't have to do this...right?[/QUOTE]

Now, now. Let's be clear: you brought this up first.

[quote name='GizmoGC']Yeah, oh well.

Pretty sad that he BDA had to give away tens of thousands of discs just to maintain this slight lead. Oh well. Condition your customers to wait for BOGO sales is a smart thing to do :roll:[/QUOTE]

And, as far as I could tell, people had to pay for and select the movies they wanted. Were they sold at a discount? You bet. How many people used this to their advantage to buy HD DVDs as well?

Ultimately, you pointed this out as a move of desperation, as if the side that's been selling 2 movies for every 1 the competition is the only desperate entity. That, of course, is patently absurd. Par for the course for you, I reckon. Let's be honest: both formats are desperate. One format is desperate enough to buy the loyalty of a studio; another desperate enough to take losses in order to maintain their yearlong record of sales dominance (and it's quite clear that HD would have taken the week 60/40 easy if there was no BOGO).
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Both formats give away movies with the purchase a player. Its sad he has to bring the point up as if it makes a difference.[/QUOTE]

*looks at previous posts*

Umm.. maybe I'm blind, but it looks like YOU were the one who brought up 'giving away movies' first. Maybe you can help me out.

[quote name='GizmoGC']What is sad is the"dead" format is still alive and closing the gap. Hell, the BDA was so afraid they have to give away tens of thousands of discs for free just so they can say "we won" for one week :lol: You would think that a format with 10x the players wouldn't have to do this...right?[/QUOTE]

Agreed. It looks like this is the first time, in a long time, they actually had to put a good amount of effort to win. Normally it just happens.

And I totally agree with you on the 10x hardware thing. It is absolutely terrible that BDA has 10 times the amount of hardware than the competition. They should stop selling hardware, and just concentrate on software to improve their attach rates. Nevermind expanding their audience...
 
I never understood why there was so much attention being brought to Transformers. Don't get me wrong, it is a great HD movie, and, had it come to BD, I would've bought it. But, as far the whole format war is concerned, one movie, no matter how great, won't have too much of an impact. Sure HD-DVD would've won this week without BDs BOGO, but without any more 'Transformers' type releases in the future, the trend would not have changed a whole lot, and that is what HD-DVD really needs to do. Gaining studios like Paramount is definitely a big step in the right direction, but one movie isn't going to do too much to either format.

I still think combo players are going to save HD-DVD (unless of course the $199 HD-DVD players sell better than I expect, which is entirely possible). If HD-DVD can last long enough for combo players to become mainstream (which seems pretty possible, at this point), they will be set.
 
HD DVD has a tiny amount of big titles coming by the end of the year, including Shrek and the third Bourne movie. Anything else I'm forgetting? Of course I'm biased, but BR has a vastly superior lineup coming through the holiday.

Forgive Gizmo. He's just full of sour grapes because he knows that, if HD DVD couldn't win this past week, it's going to be a LONG time before they get another chance like this. Is it ultimately meaningless? Yes, except the symbolism of an HD DVD victory would have breathed a little bit of life into its ardent supporters.

How 'bout them 190,000 sold, eh? :lol:
 
[quote name='dpatel']*looks at previous posts*

Umm.. maybe I'm blind, but it looks like YOU were the one who brought up 'giving away movies' first. Maybe you can help me out.[/quote]

I brought up "giving away free movies" in response to the BOGO deal the BDA had running at every big retail outlet. Rodeo decided to take that and turn it into the 5 free or Heroes with purchase.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
And, as far as I could tell, people had to pay for and select the movies they wanted. Were they sold at a discount? You bet. How many people used this to their advantage to buy HD DVDs as well?[/QUOTE]

Besides the 1 day glitch at CC, there was no BOGO for HD DVD at any store.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']HD DVD has a tiny amount of big titles coming by the end of the year, including Shrek and the third Bourne movie. Anything else I'm forgetting? Of course I'm biased, but BR has a vastly superior lineup coming through the holiday.

Forgive Gizmo. He's just full of sour grapes because he knows that, if HD DVD couldn't win this past week, it's going to be a LONG time before they get another chance like this. Is it ultimately meaningless? Yes, except the symbolism of an HD DVD victory would have breathed a little bit of life into its ardent supporters.

How 'bout them 190,000 sold, eh? :lol:[/quote]
It's only bad when sony uses units shipped as units sold, don't you know that?

And both sides give away movies for free and have BOGO, don't make fun of Blu-ray for doing it. It's SMART on their part. getting more people into the HD market is a good thing and making the movies cheaper is a great way to do it.

And Gizmo, does the Amazon BOGO HD-DVD count that went on this summer?

And BTW, I think I predicted that the BOGO free would make both Pirates movies be a huge seller. :)

And Yes, Weinstien isn't a big company, but any company that comes over to the Blu-side is good to me.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Forgive Gizmo. He's just full of sour grapes because he knows that, if HD DVD couldn't win this past week, it's going to be a LONG time before they get another chance like this. Is it ultimately meaningless? Yes, except the symbolism of an HD DVD victory would have breathed a little bit of life into its ardent supporters.[/QUOTE]

I figured. Any time attach rates or "10x the hardware" are brought up by Gizmo, it usually means HD-DVD isn't performing up to expectations.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']I brought up "giving away free movies" in response to the BOGO deal the BDA had running at every big retail outlet. Rodeo decided to take that and turn it into the 5 free or Heroes with purchase.[/QUOTE]

Well, you called the deal 'sad' as if selling movies at a discount is something a company should be ashamed of, yet the very company you are defending has done the very same thing. Not sure if it was in the exact same form, but giving away 5 free movies is essentially a discount, like BOGO (maybe even moreso), which is probably what he was getting at.
 
Isn't the current sales record at 160,000 copies of 300 sold on blu ray for the first week?

If the Nielson numbers come out at 115,000 Transformers sold does the HD camp put out a retraction? :D
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']Isn't the current sales record at 160,000 copies of 300 sold on blu ray for the first week?

If the Nielson numbers come out at 115,000 Transformers sold does the HD camp put out a retraction? :D[/quote]The numbers will be very interesting.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']Isn't the current sales record at 160,000 copies of 300 sold on blu ray for the first week?

If the Nielson numbers come out at 115,000 Transformers sold does the HD camp put out a retraction? :D[/QUOTE]

Paramount sent out the press release, so that burden isn't on the HDG.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']You mean like the HD camp giving away Heroes and 7 movies when someone buys a player to boost sales?[/quote]

No way...that was a total fuck up on Best Buy's part, had nothing to do with Toshiba. If Toshiba was part of it, Buy.com, Amazon.com and other online retailers would have been offering the same deal. Best Buy's taking a big hit, more so today, since people found out that box sets pass through as a free HD DVD, so a lot of Matrix and Planet Earths were sold/given away today and possibly tomorrow if they don't fix it.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']No way...that was a total fuck up on Best Buy's part, had nothing to do with Toshiba. If Toshiba was part of it, Buy.com, Amazon.com and other online retailers would have been offering the same deal. Best Buy's taking a big hit, more so today, since people found out that box sets pass through as a free HD DVD, so a lot of Matrix and Planet Earths were sold/given away today and possibly tomorrow if they don't fix it.[/QUOTE]

His point was that, while some may think its 'sad', both formats are guilty of discounting movies. Maybe the example was bad, but his point is right. I don't see anything wrong with discounting or giving away movies. It's a smart move by both sides, and seems to be benefiting them both.
 
To settle the score, I'll quote from a post over at AVS. Unlike Gizmo, if I use someone else's words, I'll let you know.

You HD DVD guys are funny. Look at it this way:
The HD DVD Promotions Group spent it's "promotional money" to buy Transformers exclusively for their format.

The BDA spent its "promotional money" to do a 2 for 1 for its installed base.

So, you're applauding the group (HD DVD) that enriched another corporation (Paramount) to take a release away from Blu-Ray vs the group (BD) that put more discs in CONSUMERS hands at a great price.

Don't know about you guys, but I'll take the "promotional considerations" from the BDA any day versus seeing them go to another studio to keep releases away from HD DVD...

Carry on...
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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12015984&postcount=24

In sum, while it is "sad" that BR companies offered movies to consumers and took a financial hit as a result, the argument that HD DVD folks are making is that this is a desperate and underhanded tactic to boost BR sales. Failing to realize, of course, the $150 million hit that Toshiba and the HDG took in order to make Transformers exclusive in the first place! :rofl: you guys are priceless! And adorable!
 
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