LOOK at this eBay Scam...

yeah they probably send you a piece of paper that gives you detailed info on buying things.....Step 1. Get in your car Step 2. Go to the store....................
 
[quote name='gamefreak789']its not a scam japan sold psp's and he couldve bought one and selling it on ebay for 250% profit :D[/quote]

..people like you cause people like him to get rich. Read it again.
 
I guess what I'm saying is, that the way he or she listed the auction, knew they were ripping someone off.

I guess if you can sleep at night... :roll:
 
[quote name='Scorch']oh my good god..

it was a lot auction.. I think..

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=5543872839&ed=1103121991

He sold 3.. made $1500.. sad. It's not his fault, though. He clearly stated it. People need to read the entire auction. It's not a scam at all. He clearly posted that it was for information on how to get it and not for an actual system. It's sneaky.. it's kinda wrong.. but it's funny.[/quote]

I still think its a scam by the way he set up the auction. He deliberately put that it was for information only in the middle of the paragraph about the technical specs. He was trying to deliberately mislead people, which is fraud.
 
[quote name='stormshadow']yeah they probably send you a piece of paper that gives you detailed info on buying things.....Step 1. Get in your car Step 2. Go to the store....................[/quote]


i wonder if someone would buy something like this and get into a wreck they could sue the seller :) they are the one who told them to get into the car and go to the store
 
Damn. He sold 3 of those for $501 each. He's definitely getting negative feedback for this but I wonder - is this legal? I mean would Paypal void the transaction because the buyer is a dumbass?
 
[quote name='gamefreak789']its not a scam japan sold psp's and he couldve bought one and selling it on ebay for 250% profit :D[/quote]

If you clicked on the link and read the auction, you would notice he is not selling the PSP, he is selling you a piece of paper with information on it. :roll: You are the type of people that gets conned into buying these things...

EDIT: Scorch beat me to it! Damn!
 
I just contacted one of the "winners" of this auction, and told him about it. He already saw that, and was going to take the negative. He wasn't paying for that. So, at least he realized it before he bought it...
 
I like that it costs $5 to ship the document...must be at least 2 pages for all that detailed information...

He not only rips you off on the auction, but on the shipping of the auction he just ripped you off on...

jeug
 
[quote name='greendj27']He was trying to deliberately mislead people, which is fraud.[/quote]

He may be a dick but this is not fraud. He stated clearly what he was selling. Anyone who took the time to read the listing would know exactly what they were bidding on. Fraud involves a material misrepresentation by one party and here there was none.
 
It's definitely fraud. He hides the disclaimer in the middle of the tech specs, and is charging $10 shipping. If I was dumb enough to get caught by something like this, I would certainly press fraud charges against him.
 
Well, I guess I'm feeling like a saint today. I just narc'ed on the seller, and notified the bidders it was a scam.

Good for me!
 
[quote name='javeryh'][quote name='greendj27']He was trying to deliberately mislead people, which is fraud.[/quote]

He may be a dick but this is not fraud. He stated clearly what he was selling. Anyone who took the time to read the listing would know exactly what they were bidding on. Fraud involves a material misrepresentation by one party and here there was none.[/quote]

He does not "clearly" state that is for information only. The title of the auction, the picture, the shipping cost are all misleading. He put one sentence hidden in the middle of the auction saying that it is for information only. I don't see how anyone can say that he wasn't trying to mislead people into bidding on this auction.
 
"This auction is for a informational document to recieve your PSP cheaper and quicker then some other people.This auction is not for an actual PSP system. This auction is for an informational document which contains ordering information for a PSP system By bidding on this auction you agree that you have read and understand the terms of this auction. absolutely no refunds."

this is exactly what it says in the description, so you really cant argue with him about it, its just really really devious that he put this in the middle of the description, which people may not read because they already know or dont care about technical specs on the psp. this is why people must be cautious on ebay, plain and simple. it is misleading to a huge extent, but i really dont think it is fraud (but good job notifying ebay about this auction anyway, maybe they will see it differently and get these poor bastards some money back!)
 
I disagree the title of his auction states that he is selling a PSP value pack and show a picture of a PSP with accessories. He is deceitful and should be banned from Ebay. Adding fine print 3 paragraphs down does not make it legal.
 
[quote name='Scorch']It's not a scam at all. He clearly posted that it was for information on how to get it and not for an actual system.[/quote]

Clearly posted it? He intentionally buried the information in the middle of a dense description... and the entire setup is clearly designed to deceive as he has numerous pictures of the system itself (indicating that he has one to offer) and it's accessories and provides technical specs. People should be allowed to sell this kinda stuff if they want, but they should have to conform to some standard of clarity in their title and description so as to avoid messes like this...
 
I almost didn't find where the scam was located. This guy did a good job of blending the truth of his auction in the middle of the product description.
 
This guy is a jerk. But to say it's fraud is stupid. It's not fine print people, it's one of the three paragraphs in the auction listing. If you don't read the info before buying tough.

I personally deal with people who don't think they have to follow the rules and terms they agree to before making purchases on a daily bases. Put it out there plain as day to see and you aren't responsible.
 
[quote name='ZForce915']This guy is a jerk. But to say it's fraud is stupid. It's not fine print people, it's one of the three paragraphs in the auction listing. If you don't read the info before buying tough.

I personally deal with people who don't think they have to follow the rules and terms they agree to before making purchases on a daily bases. Put it out there plain as day to see and you aren't responsible.[/quote]

Let me ask you this - Is he deliberately trying to mislead people for his own gain?

I assume your answer is yes. That is the exact definition of fraud.
 
[quote name='greendj27'][quote name='ZForce915']This guy is a jerk. But to say it's fraud is stupid. It's not fine print people, it's one of the three paragraphs in the auction listing. If you don't read the info before buying tough.

I personally deal with people who don't think they have to follow the rules and terms they agree to before making purchases on a daily bases. Put it out there plain as day to see and you aren't responsible.[/quote]

Let me ask you this - Is he deliberately trying to mislead people for his own gain?

I assume your answer is yes. That is the exact definition of fraud.[/quote]

I do believe that he is hoping you don't read through the auction clearly, yes. However, he is not responsible for those who would bid on a legal biding contract without reading what it is they are bidding on.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']So if no one pays.....how much does he get charged for this? You know, eBay fees and such.[/quote]

I guess that's his punishment.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']So if no one pays.....how much does he get charged for this? You know, eBay fees and such.[/quote]

If he files for an Unpaid Bidder notice he would get the fees back.
 
[quote name='ZForce915'][quote name='greendj27'][quote name='ZForce915']This guy is a jerk. But to say it's fraud is stupid. It's not fine print people, it's one of the three paragraphs in the auction listing. If you don't read the info before buying tough.

I personally deal with people who don't think they have to follow the rules and terms they agree to before making purchases on a daily bases. Put it out there plain as day to see and you aren't responsible.[/quote]

Let me ask you this - Is he deliberately trying to mislead people for his own gain?

I assume your answer is yes. That is the exact definition of fraud.[/quote]

I do believe that he is hoping you don't read through the auction clearly, yes. However, he is not responsible for those who would bid on a legal biding contract without reading what it is they are bidding on.[/quote]

Actually thats not true. You can't hide information in the middle of a contract hoping that someone doesn't see it. I learned that in college in a business law class. I understand that there are idiots on ebay who need to read more about auctions, but in this case he was deliberately trying to hide the information.
 
[quote name='greendj27'][quote name='javeryh'][quote name='greendj27']He was trying to deliberately mislead people, which is fraud.[/quote]

He may be a dick but this is not fraud. He stated clearly what he was selling. Anyone who took the time to read the listing would know exactly what they were bidding on. Fraud involves a material misrepresentation by one party and here there was none.[/quote]

He does not "clearly" state that is for information only. The title of the auction, the picture, the shipping cost are all misleading. He put one sentence hidden in the middle of the auction saying that it is for information only. I don't see how anyone can say that he wasn't trying to mislead people into bidding on this auction.[/quote]

He does clearly state it - "This auction is for a informational document to recieve your PSP cheaper and quicker then some other people. This auction is not for an actual PSP system. This auction is for an informational document which contains ordering information for a PSP system."

How much clearer can you get? Really, people should know better to read an auction before bidding on it. eBay even tells you this for exactly these types of situations.

Also, I never said he wasn't trying to mislead people - it's just not fraud. It may fall into some other category of deceptive practices or something (I doubt it) but it is not fraud...
 
Actually go to the bids page of his auction and look at all the retracted bids. Then look at the reason the seller gives. Wrong amount only becuae they found out what they were really bidding on.
 
[quote name='greendj27'][quote name='ZForce915'][quote name='greendj27'][quote name='ZForce915']This guy is a jerk. But to say it's fraud is stupid. It's not fine print people, it's one of the three paragraphs in the auction listing. If you don't read the info before buying tough.

I personally deal with people who don't think they have to follow the rules and terms they agree to before making purchases on a daily bases. Put it out there plain as day to see and you aren't responsible.[/quote]

Let me ask you this - Is he deliberately trying to mislead people for his own gain?

I assume your answer is yes. That is the exact definition of fraud.[/quote]

I do believe that he is hoping you don't read through the auction clearly, yes. However, he is not responsible for those who would bid on a legal biding contract without reading what it is they are bidding on.[/quote]

Actually thats not true. You can't hide information in the middle of a contract hoping that someone doesn't see it. I learned that in college in a business law class. I understand that there are idiots on ebay who need to read more about auctions, but in this case he was deliberately trying to hide the information.[/quote]

I'm not going to make this a back and forth, because in the end I don't really want to defend this guy.

His auction description states this is info not a product. It's not "hidden" at all. It's also not hidden in the contract as you put it, the conract is the one you enter into when placing a bid on any item. The description of the item was clear what you were getting. If he wanted to be a better person he could have separated the info from the paragraph, mabye even highlighted it. But again, the fact that he didn't is not going to sway the fact that people bid on something he stated was info, not a PSP.
 
it is still a fraud!! I know many people would still bid on it due to high price, and no one cares about specs if they knew about the system. he definitely hid the paragraph, if i bid and i find this out, i'm not paying him at all. He lied in a way showing a picture as if he may had the set. If he wanted to be clear he would not have pix and change his title to information how to get a psp instead.
 
[quote name='Samuelc79']it is still a fraud!! I know many people would still bid on it due to high price, and no one cares about specs if they knew about the system. he definitely hid the paragraph, if i bid and i find this out, i'm not paying him at all. He lied in a way showing a picture as if he may had the set. If he wanted to be clear he would not have pix and change his title to information how to get a psp instead.[/quote]

Have you read any of this topic yet?

I hope you did bid on this system, because if you rush through purchases (especially on eBay) you are going to get screwed...a lot.
 
I remember one case when the PS2 first released..
The auction was for
"You will recieve the Playstation 2 picture below.'

not "pictureD."

Typo? Nope. People were paying 300-400 bucks for a picture of a PS2.
IANAL, but i think there's outright fraud, deliberate misleading, and misleadings that could be considered fraud. Like if you went to Joe's New Cars and bought a car, and it didn't have an engine, that could be considered fraud because a reasonable consumer would have an expectation that a new car would have an engine.

Fraud or misleading, the guy's still a scumbag ripoff artist.
 
I can't believe some of you are even defending this crap. It is fraud. There is intent to deceive people by hiding the disclaimer in a paragraph with tech info and not posting it in the title. He attempted to conceal the information and that is all that matters. I seriously doubt he was putting the auction up and was like oh yeah, I forgot my explanation that this is just for information. I better put it in the 2nd to last paragraph attached at the end. This person should be shot. I'm not gonna do it though. One of his other auctions was for a hunting bow. I don't want to get caught up in one of his "Surviving the Game" parties.
 
well i didnt want order one anyways, i mean if i was a bidder.. i would be upset, but of course who read specs usually when people already knew. i mean be honest here, if u just saw system, already knew specs and etc, you would then ignore it, but again i do noticed the quantity is 0. but misleading is probably still a fraud
 
I'm going to say this and then I'm out.

You guys call it fraud because it's a crappy thing to do. But that doesn't make it so.

But we can all take solace in this. Karma will get this guy. I'm predicting a paper cut on those "documents" he's sending...and it's going to hurt so much that he jumps up in pain...only to slip and impale himself on a 8" chef's kinfe.

Done and done.
 
[quote name='ZForce915']I'm going to say this and then I'm out.

You guys call it fraud because it's a crappy thing to do. But that doesn't make it so.

But we can all take solace in this. Karma will get this guy. I'm predicting a paper cut on those "documents" he's sending...and it's going to hurt so much that he jumps up in pain...only to slip and impale himself on a 8" chef's kinfe.

Done and done.[/quote]

Exactly. Well put.
 
[quote name='jeugder']I like that it costs $5 to ship the document...must be at least 2 pages for all that detailed information...

He not only rips you off on the auction, but on the shipping of the auction he just ripped you off on...

jeug[/quote]
You guys have already covered every side of the real argument, I just wanted to again point out how hilarious it is that he's getting $500 for nothing, and still overcharging on shipping. That folks is greed.
 
Hmm...
States may vary of course, and the devil's in the details, but:
"Fraud is generally defined in the law as an intentional misrepresentation of material existing fact made by one person to another with knowledge of its falsity and for the purpose of inducing the other person to act, and upon which the other person relies with resulting injury or damage. Fraud may also by made by an omission or purposeful failure to state material facts, which nondisclosure makes other statements misleading."
in which case it wouldn't be fraud.
But:
"fraud is defined as a deception deliberately practiced
to secure unfair or unlawful gain"
in which case it very well could be determined fraud, since hiding a material fact in the middle of the 'fine print' in a place that isn't logical could surely be called 'deliberate deception.'

I think this kind of auction fits the 'layman's' definition of fraud or fraudulent, but possibly not the legal. Now, 'intent to defraud' could certainly be valid, since there is delibrate deception and misleading-ness.
 
good way to get yourself killed. Some nutjob could got this for their kids and find out its only info drive to the sellers house and you can take it from there. not very wise to scam people these days you dont know who your dealing with.
 
[quote name='icemanjmw13'][quote name='jeugder']I like that it costs $5 to ship the document...must be at least 2 pages for all that detailed information...

He not only rips you off on the auction, but on the shipping of the auction he just ripped you off on...

jeug[/quote]
You guys have already covered every side of the real argument, I just wanted to again point out how hilarious it is that he's getting $500 for nothing, and still overcharging on shipping. That folks is greed.[/quote]

i'm sure he did it to make it look like the actual shipping price of a psp, not to be greedy.
 
[quote name='slidecage']good way to get yourself killed. Some nutjob could got this for their kids and find out its only info drive to the sellers house and you can take it from there. not very wise to scam people these days you dont know who your dealing with.[/quote]
True, sadly it is true. This time of year brings out very intense emotions in some people, and like you said if it's for their kids as a gift. Well the chances are slim that anything bad would happen, but I wouldn't say never.
 
Did anyone else check the item category?
Listed in category: Everything Else > Information Products


I'm sorry but if you aren't going to read the 3, not 100, but 3 paragraphs the guy wrote when making such an expensive purchase, maybe you deserve to be scammed?

I mean... what kind of imbecile do you have to be.
ME WANT PSP.
PSP ON EBAY!
ME HAVE $500!
ME BUY PSP!!!
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']Did anyone else check the item category?
Listed in category: Everything Else > Information Products


I'm sorry but if you aren't going to read the 3, not 100, but 3 paragraphs the guy wrote when making such an expensive purchase, maybe you deserve to be scammed?

I mean... what kind of imbecile do you have to be.
ME WANT PSP.
PSP ON EBAY!
ME HAVE $500!
ME BUY PSP!!![/quote]

Yeah i saw that also, which is why when ever i buy something off of ebay I always narrow down the catagories so I dont have these auctions pop up
 
First of all, even if this was for a genuine system, the MSRP will likely be under $200! In fact, it may even be $150! Still, at least he put this in the information category, not the systems category. However, there is no doubt he is misleading people, as, unless they're REALLY stupid, the bidders believe they are bidding on the system itself.
 
[quote name='rebenns']First of all, even if this was for a genuine system, the MSRP will likely be under $200! In fact, it may even be $150! Still, at least he put this in the information category, not the systems category. However, there is no doubt he is misleading people, as, unless they're REALLY stupid, the bidders believe they are bidding on the system itself.[/quote]

Yes it would be but in this case he'd obviously want to make a profit and it's an imported system so 200 seems like a reasonable starting point for the bidding... that plus the shipping charge (which was clearly designed to resemble the amount necessary to ship an actual PSP) only increase the perception that he was offering an actual system.
 
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