Lost Season 4 Discussion - Because You Left

I still think it's Desmond. Especially after that surprise reunion. Effectively, Desmond's story arch is over. He's expendable now.
 
I dont like this. It makes NO SENSE. The only explanation I can think for this is that Locke somehow gets ressurected (since he's like their "Dhali Lama"). How the fuck did he get off the island? And with Ben's teleportation, does that mean that all the flash-forwards we're seeing HAVEN'T HAPPENED YET? He teleports, Finds Sayid, & uses him to kill the people looking for the island. I am really starting to think that the series ends with Ben comming back to real time (when the island was moved), stopping the freighter from comming, & just sendtheing the survivors home (except Locke). What do u guys think?
 
I don't see what everyone is freaking out over,
I expected Locke in the coffin when I saw the end of season 3. Everything seems set up pretty well for next season no?
 
[quote name='Segasonic01']
How the fuck did he get off the island? And with Ben's teleportation, does that mean that all the flash-forwards we're seeing HAVEN'T HAPPENED YET?
[/quote]

Your second question answered the first. Remember that Ben said the Others would teach him everything about the island, including the ways of leaving it.
 
maybe Locke had to move the island again and that's how he got off. Jack did say bad stuff happened after they all left
 
I originally theorized who was ultimately revealed to be in the coffin on the final episode of last season. But then over the course of this season events on the show tricked me into thinking it was various other people. Now tonight I was a hair away from posting that who I originally thought would NEVER be in the coffin and that's who turns out to be in it. Damn, this show is hard to predict. Even when you do it feels like you didn't.
 
[quote name='bmachine']Did anyone else notice the weird little commercial for Octagon Global Recruiting during the show?

Looks like they're setting up another Lost Experience for this summer.

http://www.octagonglobalrecruiting.com/[/QUOTE]

I'm amazed the site's up right now - the Oceanic and Dharma sites got hammered when those commercials ran for the first time.

That was a fantastic episode.
Desmond and Penny
made me happy, and I'm excited for next season.

That last line, though, the
everyone must go back
...does that include
Walt, Frank, and Desmond
?
 
[quote name='Gothic Walrus']That was a fantastic episode.
Desmond and Penny
made me happy, and I'm excited for next season.[/quote]

That made me very happy, as well...a very pleasant surprise.

The extent of Hurley's
craziness makes me very sad. I figured it was Charlie or Libby that he was playing chess with, but Mr. Eko was a nice touch.

Any theories here on what Sawyer
may have said to Kate before taking the plunge?
 
[quote name='bmachine']

Any theories here on what Sawyer
may have said to Kate before taking the plunge?
[/quote]

I swear he said something to the effect of
something daughter something something
. I Tivo'd it, so I'll go back tomorrow and check if I can distinguish it.
 
[quote name='jaso']I swear he said something to the effect of something
something daughter something something
. I Tivo'd it, so I'll go back tomorrow and check if I can distinguish it.[/QUOTE]

That sounds about right. I didn't hear anything, but it makes sense.
 
[quote name='jaso']I swear he said something to the effect of
something daughter something something
. I Tivo'd it, so I'll go back tomorrow and check if I can distinguish it.[/QUOTE]

Kate implied as much in an earlier episode, didn't she?
 
[quote name='bmachine']Did anyone else notice the weird little commercial for Octagon Global Recruiting during the show?

Looks like they're setting up another Lost Experience for this summer.

http://www.octagonglobalrecruiting.com/[/QUOTE]

For the record:

The dates/location of their "recruiting event" correspond with the San Diego International Comic-Con in July. So, expect something big there, I'd say.
 
That made me very happy, as well...a very pleasant surprise.

Aye.

...

Hey, someone had to make post #666!

EDIT: And no, I wasn't sitting and waiting. I honestly wanted to avoid it, as post #665 appeared between the time I clicked on the thread and posted.
 
well it wasnt crazy as last seasons finale, but still pretty crazy.


[quote name='Gothic Walrus']

That last line, though, the
everyone must go back
...does that include
Walt, Frank, and Desmond
?[/QUOTE]

i believe it does. i mean cmon, they grabbed a corpse.

glad to see desmond and penny reunited.

im really hoping daniel (not so much the people on the life raft) is still alive somehow. also, id like to think christian did some sort of magic trick and put jin and michael back on the island.

when hurley and walt talked, hurley made it seem like michael was still alive.

other than that, the two big issue, which i imagine will be a big focus of next season...

what happens on the island for those 3 years?

how does locke get off the island, and die?
 
It was a great episode, the whole time I was expecting to see
the pilot
in the coffin until
ben showed up and asked Jack what he told him, at that point I figured it had to be Locke...plus Hurley sorta gave it away, he said "dude why are you calling him Benthem, you know his name is L---" and got interrupted by Sayid. It had to be the pilot or Locke at that point. Also, if Kate has to go back to the island, who's supposed to take care of Aaron? I know Charlie spoke to Hurley and said its not supposed to be Jack...and if Kate is meant to return to the island without Aaron since Claire said not to bring him back...I guess that leaves off Claires mom? Or maybe Kate does take Aaron back, the fortune teller that talked to Claire made it seem like Aaron is of great importance...maybe he's supposed to lead the island at some point.

Not much of a cliffhanger IMO...makes it a whole lot easier to wait for January 2009.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']It was a great episode, the whole time I was expecting to see
the pilot
in the coffin until
ben showed up and asked Jack what he told him, at that point I figured it had to be Locke...plus Hurley sorta gave it away, he said "dude why are you calling him Benthem, you know his name is L---" and got interrupted by Sayid. It had to be the pilot or Locke at that point. Also, if Kate has to go back to the island, who's supposed to take care of Aaron? I know Charlie spoke to Hurley and said its not supposed to be Jack...and if Kate is meant to return to the island without Aaron since Claire said not to bring him back...I guess that leaves off Claires mom? Or maybe Kate does take Aaron back, the fortune teller that talked to Claire made it seem like Aaron is of great importance...maybe he's supposed to lead the island at some point.

Not much of a cliffhanger IMO...makes it a whole lot easier to wait for January 2009.[/QUOTE]

why the hell would you think it was the pilot... #-o
 
I'm wondering who all has to go back. The 6, obviously, and Locke... But I'd imagine Walt would, too, since he was on 815, and probably Desmond.

I know we'll get all kinds of island stuff next season, but from all I've read, the ones who escaped won't return till Season 6. It's crazy that the show covered 3 months in seasons 1-3, 1 week in season 4 (save for the week on Penny's boat), and will have to cover at least 3 YEARS in the last 2 seasons. And I meant real-time, not flash forwards, as far as it covering the 3 months and 1 week.

The 6 and Desmond left the island on Day 100, December 30th, 2004. What I am wondering why Kate said she'd been dealing with what happened when they left the island for the past 3 years, when Locke died on April 4th, 2007. That's 2 years and a little less than 3 months after they returned to the U.S.

But all that aside... wow. This episode topped the season 3 finale as the best 2 hours of TV in history.

EDIT:I'm not sure if this is final, but here's a pic of the box art for the season 4 DVD set. It will be released on 12/9- that much has been confirmed.

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I'm thinking they went with the island. It showed Faraday turning back after the boat blew. Faraday is supposed to be on the show next season. He's the only one on the raft with a name, anyway.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']So who went to the Octagon Global Recruiting site and registered? The dates coincide with Comic-Con.[/quote]

I did! :wave:

But I won't be anywhere near San Diego that week.
 
[quote name='bmachine']
The extent of Hurley's
craziness makes me very sad. I figured it was Charlie or Libby that he was playing chess with, but Mr. Eko was a nice touch.
[/quote]


I'm pretty sure he's completely sane.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']well it wasnt crazy as last seasons finale, but still pretty crazy.


im really hoping daniel (not so much the people on the life raft) is still alive somehow. also, id like to think christian did some sort of magic trick and put jin and michael back on the island.

when hurley and walt talked, hurley made it seem like michael was still alive.
[/quote]

I'd think Hurley made it seem like Michael was alive because, you know, he's Walt's dad. Would you want to tell this kid who's been through such terrible shit that his father blew up three years ago?
 
Some comments from Harold Perrineau about Michael and a potential stereotype:

http://www.tvsquad.com/2008/05/30/harold-perrineau-not-happy-about-his-stint-on-lost/

Listen, if I'm being really candid, there are all these questions about how they respond to black people on the show. Sayid gets to meet Nadia again, and Desmond and Penny hook up again, but a little black boy and his father hooking up, that wasn't interesting? Instead, Walt just winds up being another fatherless child. It plays into a really big, weird stereotype and, being a black person myself, that wasn't so interesting.
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No one has pointed out that when Ben tells Jack he has to go back at the end he also says, all six of you have to go?

This directly contradicts Jacob's (in the form of Claire, in Kate's dream) order to Kate not to bring Aaron back.

Unless since the Sheppard blood line is so "special" that Claire herself (not Jacob) is warning Kate of the dangers of going back, Claire might be doing this behind Jacob's back in an effort to save her son from potential dangers Aaron can encounter in seasons 5-6.

Potential conflict between Ben and Jacob?
 
I love this show.

I can't believe people don't like it and watch Heroes/24 instead, you definetly don't get the "HOLY SHIT" endings on those shows like you do in LOST.

I think Sawyer told Kate to take care of Aaron when he whispered in her ear.

Why can't Ben go back to the island? Do you guys think it's because he can't be the leader of the Others? I don't think it's because he won't be able to find it, because, he could certainly go with the Oceanic 6 when they inevitably go back.

Also, im really liking Jack's and Locke's characters as the "Man of Science and the Man of Religion" (respectively). I didn't really notice it now, but I really like that about the show. I never really cared this much about the characters in a TV show.

I also like the fact that you see Jack chasing his "dad" on the island in the very very early episodes of the first season and you find out now that he's not just going crazy, because everyone is seeing him.

I hope this doesn't mean it's the last we'll see of Desmond. He is arguably the most liked character on the show. I mean we all want to see him have a happy ending, but they should wait until the end of the show to wrap his story up. I guess we might see him with Ben trying to kill Penny. Hopefully she doesn't end up dieing.

Damn I love this show.
 
I just thought of something: if Christian was dead but hops out of his coffin to be Mr. Island Ghost...that's probably what will happen to you-know-who (too lazy for spoiler tags).
 
[quote name='homeland']Question
Is Claire really dead? I don't remember ever seeing her corpse
[/quote]

No, she got up and walked away after what looks like Jack's dad (Also, Claire's father) walks up to her in the middle of the night when Her, Sawyer and the Asian dude are sleeping.
 
[quote name='becuzimbrown']
No, she got up and walked away after what looks like Jack's dad (Also, Claire's father) walks up to her in the middle of the night when Her, Sawyer and the Asian dude are sleeping.
[/quote]


Thats what I thought, Everyone is just going around acting like she is. Thanks for reinforcing my belief.
 
[quote name='becuzimbrown']
I hope this doesn't mean it's the last we'll see of Desmond. He is arguably the most liked character on the show. I mean we all want to see him have a happy ending, but they should wait until the end of the show to wrap his story up. I guess we might see him with Ben trying to kill Penny. Hopefully she doesn't end up dieing.
[/QUOTE]


between ben pledging to kill penny and everyone having to go back to the island i would imagine that desmond continues to be an important character.

im also on the claires-not-dead boat. everyone seems to just assume she is, but cmon this is lost, nothing is that straight forward.

with Harold Perrineau essentially confirming that michael was killed, it makes me pretty sad because that essentially confirms that jin is dead as well.

one thing i havent heard mentioned, was sun confronting widmore and about their "common interest". does that mean sun is going to be working against ben and the other oceanic survivors? i would think she blames widmore for jins death, but it seems like shes more upset with the other survivors/ben (based on her reaction).
 
[quote name='becuzimbrown']I love this show.


I think Sawyer told Kate to take care of Aaron when he whispered in her ear.
[/QUOTE]


That's definitely NOT it.
Sun and Kate were the only females of the 6, and Sun was pregnant at the time they were rescued. Also, Kate had no family she had been in contact with (unlike Sun) that could disprove that she was pregnant with Aaron. Kate had to take the baby, pretty much.

Also, a big reason between the Jack/Kate breakup was that Kate was being shady and Jack finally found out that she was "taking care of something for Sawyer." I imagine it had something to do with either his daughter, Clementine, or something/someone we don't yet know about.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']That's definitely NOT it.
Sun and Kate were the only females of the 6, and Sun was pregnant at the time they were rescued. Also, Kate had no family she had been in contact with (unlike Sun) that could disprove that she was pregnant with Aaron. Kate had to take the baby, pretty much.

Also, a big reason between the Jack/Kate breakup was that Kate was being shady and Jack finally found out that she was "taking care of something for Sawyer." I imagine it had something to do with either his daughter, Clementine, or something/someone we don't yet know about.
[/QUOTE]

[quote name='lostpedia.com']The inaudible whisper that Sawyer tells Kate appears to be "I have a daughter in Alabama, you need to find her. Tell her i'm sorry". This Video enhances the dialogue. However the video subtitles say Alabama but since Sawyer's daughter, Clementine, was staying in Albuquerque then it would be safe to assume that was what was truly said.[/QUOTE]

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/There's_No_Place_Like_Home,_Parts_2_&_3
 
It annoyed me that no one tried plugging the gas leak on the helicopter. It was clearly in reach to anyone. A finger could have been easily place there to provide a little more distance... And I like to use that as an excuse to make my gf jump out of my car when I am low on gas and she is nagging me, "Quickly! We need to lose all extra weight I am almost on empty! Jump!"
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']
It annoyed me that no one tried plugging the gas leak on the helicopter. It was clearly in reach to anyone. A finger could have been easily place there to provide a little more distance... And I like to use that as an excuse to make my gf jump out of my car when I am low on gas and she is nagging me, "Quickly! We need to lose all extra weight I am almost on empty! Jump!"
[/quote]
I thought this too as soon as they showed a zoomed in shot of the hole and then the pilot guy saying we need to get any excess weight out. Then the camera zoomed out very briefly and it was clear the hole was too far towards the rear of the helicopter and it would have been extremely difficult for someone to get back there let alone patch it up long enough to get to the freighter.
 
Probably a Kim Dickens cameo next season if what Sawyer said to Kate was to help his daughter. I bet there was never a daughter. James just saw a picture, that's all. But it should be cool when Kate knocks on a door and sees a familiar face answer.
 
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