Lumines = 1900 pts?

From a review in OXM (rating Lumines Live 8.5):
"You'll be prompted to buy the Puzzle/Mission Pack (400 MS Points extra)" once you start "getting on a roll with Mission Mode".

Also, in the VS CPU mode, when you are "knee-deep" in the VS CPU mode, "you'll be blocked by signage declaring: 'You need the VS CPU Pack (300 Points)."
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So on top of the $15 (1200 MS Points) for the charge of Lumines Live game on Xbox Live Arcade (XBLA), it will cost 700 extra MS points when you advance in the game. Sounds like the first negative penatly for doing good in a game to me. Maybe it would not have been so bad if they would have released levels seperately instead of impeding gameplay? Are you more likely to buy the additional levels this way? Or is this Microsoft slipping in a few hidden fees?
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fuck this game, if it will cost over $20 to get the full version they should have just released it in the store for $20.
 
WTF I hope thats a load of BS thats way to much. Should be 1200 for whole game what a scam. exactly a game over 20.00 should have a box disc and manual. I can't even resell this game when I get sick of it thats horrible of them. One thing I hate most about arcade game is theirs no trade in value.
 
$20 for a puzzle game? Meh... I had a hard time picking up Meteos on clearance for $10. I just dont see why they have to charge so much for puzzle games.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']$20 for a puzzle game? Meh... I had a hard time picking up Meteos on clearance for $10. I just dont see why they have to charge so much for puzzle games.[/QUOTE]

I don't know... even if it was 1600 for every feature, maybe I could justify it, but it's 1200 up front and than an additional 700 to "patch" the advanced levels back in. You're basacially paying 1200 points for a very large demo, imo, and to unlock the full game it's another 700 points.

Maybe they should have left features off the DEMO, and then charged 1200 points for the full game?
 
And people are surprised, why? This is Microsoft. Sony will do the same thing, as will Nintendo if they go beyond just old emulated games (and even if not, they may figure out a way to do it).

Not saying I support it, because I sure as hell don't.

Might buy it for the base game since I don't own a PSP, but I'm not interested in being milked. If they wanted 25 bucks they should have charged 25 bucks, not dick people around with mandatory-if-you-want-to-play add ons.
 
I can buy Lumines on the PSP for $20, $15 at Best Buy. It should be no more than 800 points. It is just the same old bullshit game from the PSP, but bigger.
 
Looks like I won't be buying it. This should be an interesting experiment; since we expect "hard" software (that we buy instore) to depreciate in value over time (e.g., expect to see a Madden 07 360 sale for $29.99 by Halloween, or any other numerous examples you can find in the deals thread of this truism), will the same hold true of XBLA and other digital purchases?

Will horse armor for Oblivion ever drop down in price? Will Lumines Live? Only time will tell how the online market reacts to overpricing, and how "early adopters" will react to a purchase dropping in points. Will people who spend 1200 points get pissed if it becomes 800/600 several months after release, the way that they normally wouldn't if an instore MSRP drops after release? Should be fun to observe.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
Looks like I won't be buying it. This should be an interesting experiment; since we expect "hard" software (that we buy instore) to depreciate in value over time (e.g., expect to see a Madden 07 360 sale for $29.99 by Halloween, or any other numerous examples you can find in the deals thread of this truism), will the same hold true of XBLA and other digital purchases?

Will horse armor for Oblivion ever drop down in price? Will Lumines Live? Only time will tell how the online market reacts to overpricing, and how "early adopters" will react to a purchase dropping in points. Will people who spend 1200 points get pissed if it becomes 800/600 several months after release, the way that they normally wouldn't if an instore MSRP drops after release? Should be fun to observe.[/QUOTE]

Some stuff, like the pack for The Outfit, was made free just recently, where it used to cost some points, so I imagine that it's left up to the discretion of the publisher. Right now, the games on the arcade are selling at a fast clip so there is no reason to drop the points value. I have a feeling if this experiement fails they'll do something.

No one should be pissed that The Outfit pack dropped to free, because if you bought it when it was new there were probably a ton of people playing, and you got your money out of it. Now, nobody plays it, so even at free, who cares?

I wish Namco would make all those Ridge Racer 6 songs free... 80 points per song and 35 songs? Bitch please.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']In truth, this has nothing to do with homosexuality, and you're just uncreative and boring when it comes to expressing your frustration over the situation.[/QUOTE]

What would you rather have him say? It's "stupid?" Yeah, that's highly intellectual. It's "a rip-off?" That's only been established half a dozen times already. It's "retarded?" Like that would be any better to PC-hounds.

He didn't just write "this is gay" and press the submit post button. His post was fine the way it was, and there is zero reason to take issue with it unless you're overly sensitive.

There are more important things to worry about than someone using a word that has long since gone from genuine gay-bashing to something that's just a slang term for "dumb" or "annoying." In that case, you're right - it has nothing to do with homosexuality. You are aware that it's a reference to a South Park character, I hope.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Only time will tell how the online market reacts to overpricing[/quote] Here, I can tell you right now: most will complain, but many of those complainers will also buy. Very little, if anything, will change.

and how "early adopters" will react to a purchase dropping in points
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They'll be upset and post about it on various message boards.

Will people who spend 1200 points get pissed if it becomes 800/600 several months after release, the way that they normally wouldn't if an instore MSRP drops after release?
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Yes.


Easy, no?
 
very lame. I think I'll pass and stick with my PSP version.

the only reason I wanted to get this was to play with people over XBL.
 
[quote name='asianxcore']very lame. I think I'll pass and stick with my PSP version.

the only reason I wanted to get this was to play with people over XBL.[/QUOTE]

You know the online portion will be complete if you just buy the base game, right?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']In truth, this has nothing to do with homosexuality, and you're just uncreative and boring when it comes to expressing your frustration over the situation.[/quote]

Lick my sack, cause it was a fucking joke, queer. :p
 
i might just get the 1200 base set since that's all you need to play against ppl on live...the extra 700 pts seems to only pertain to single player
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']
Here, I can tell you right now: most will complain, but many of those complainers will also buy. Very little, if anything, will change.
[/QUOTE]

This is why nothing will change. I'm against such a thing, and I'm going to speak with my money rather than blasting it across various internet forums. Sure, maybe Buena Vista won't miss my 1200 points, but if enough people decide not to get it, it will send out a pretty clear message that this kind of thing won't stick.
 
Anyone have the new OXM that can confirm this?

The article is poorly written and doesn't make much sense.

Also, in the VS CPU mode, when you are "knee-deep" in the VS CPU mode, "you'll be blocked by signage declaring: 'You need the VS CPU Pack (300 Points)."
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???There has to be more to it then that. NO developer will ever release a game that when you get "knee-deep" you have to pay real money. What does this “knee-deep” mean?
When you are getting your ass kicked? New power ups to help you? Come on most of us gamers are smart enough to tell that we are not getting the whole story here. We are just getting some shitty half of the story bull shit here.



M$ is the SUX0RS!!1! Tehy R making U pay monyz 4 when you gitz stuck!!!1!
 
[quote name='spoo']Anyone have the new OXM that can confirm this?

The article is poorly written and doesn't make much sense.



???There has to be more to it then that. NO developer will ever release a game that when you get "knee-deep" you have to pay real money. What does this “knee-deep” mean?
When you are getting your ass kicked? New power ups to help you? Come on most of us gamers are smart enough to tell that we are not getting the whole story here. We are just getting some shitty half of the story bull shit here.
![/QUOTE]

Um... knee deep means that you've probably finished the first 10 or so levels and have to buy the rest, it's a commonly used expression (or so I thought). It basacially means once you've started playing the game and gotten into it, you have to buy the rest of the levels.
 
Anyway, isn't the billiards game $15? If that's the case, I can see LL being 1200 points as well; I can't say that I like the direction that XBLA has headed in its first year, what with games being sold in "portions" instead of in toto. I'll wait for this to appear on an XBLA compilation CD. Maybe with Symphony of the Night!
 
I paid 40 for the PSP version and was Ok with that. I don't see it being that bad. A bit pricey yes, but GGC'ing some point cards and it's not so painful. I won't buy the Vs pack, but maybe the mission one.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Um... knee deep means that you've probably finished the first 10 or so levels and have to buy the rest, it's a commonly used expression (or so I thought). It basacially means once you've started playing the game and gotten into it, you have to buy the rest of the levels.[/QUOTE]

Why not say after the first "x" amount of levels? Knee-deep isn't the best adjective to be used. I know what the word "knee-deep" means but it isn't discribing what "knee-deep" means in Lumines. I want to know what the "VS CPU Pack" is because just saying you will need it when you are "knee-deep" is not explaining anything.

Puzzle/Mission Pack:
"You'll be prompted to buy the Puzzle/Mission Pack (400 MS Points extra)" once you start "getting on a roll with Mission Mode".
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Here they do it again. "On a roll," what the hell does that mean? Gaming Bits seems to be putting a negative spin on something as simple as optional mission packs. Will the optional content be out on day one? Will you need the packs to beat the game? And yes before Roufuss comes in and tells me the definition of "on a roll" of course I know what it means. You are missing the point...
 
Why does everyone complain about them releasing an arcade game that is over $5?? When Lumines came out it was $50 new on the PSP, but you didn't see anyone complaining about it. Now they are releasing a sequel for $20, thats a good deal. When Tetris DS came out for $35, hundreds of thousands of ppl bought that game, yet its how many years old? And no one complained either. Yet if it was released for the XLA ppl would bitch constantly on how its 10+ years old and you can emulate it for free. People need to quit thinking of XLA games as not actual games and something to pass the time, and treat them as actual games.
 
[quote name='PyroXmonk3y']Why does everyone complain about them releasing an arcade game that is over $5?? When Lumines came out it was $50 new on the PSP, but you didn't see anyone complaining about it. Now they are releasing a sequel for $20, thats a good deal. When Tetris DS came out for $35, hundreds of thousands of ppl bought that game, yet its how many years old? And no one complained either. Yet if it was released for the XLA ppl would bitch constantly on how its 10+ years old and you can emulate it for free. People need to quit thinking of XLA games as not actual games and something to pass the time, and treat them as actual games.[/quote]

it's because there's no physical CD or Case or Manual, so they can't be resold or traded
 
[quote name='Roufuss']
I wish Namco would make all those Ridge Racer 6 songs free... 80 points per song and 35 songs? Bitch please.[/quote]

QFT! Those songs are great, but there is no way I'm paying 80 points for them.


Edit: I love it when people say fuck Microsoft. Microsoft has little control over the price that a developer puts on a piece of content in the marketplace.
 
[quote name='mtxbass1']Edit: I love it when people say fuck Microsoft. Microsoft has little control over the price that a developer puts on a piece of content in the marketplace.[/QUOTE]

It's all well and good to think this, but it's Microsoft's service. They could easily clamp down and say, "woah, these prices are way out of wack." Furthermore, they're encouraging this type of behavior by allowing consumables into the Live Marketplace.

The initial price of Lumines wouldn't annoy me so much if it wasn't blatantly obvious that they're going to end up selling song packs for this game. It really should have been 1200 since they'll put out a hip hop pack/pop pack/rock pack of various popular artists and their videoes within two months.

The one good thing is that Lumines will potentially be released in the budget price Games from Live (or whatever that compilation is called that's essentially a budget price version of a bunch of Live games on a disc) 2nd or 3rd compilation that gets released.
 
Well, I guess I won't be picking it up after all. Lumines is a fun game, but I'm not going to be spending more and more points to unlock more features.
 
[quote name='furyk']It's all well and good to think this, but it's Microsoft's service. They could easily clamp down and say, "woah, these prices are way out of wack." Furthermore, they're encouraging this type of behavior by allowing consumables into the Live Marketplace.

The initial price of Lumines wouldn't annoy me so much if it wasn't blatantly obvious that they're going to end up selling song packs for this game. It really should have been 1200 since they'll put out a hip hop pack/pop pack/rock pack of various popular artists and their videoes within two months.

The one good thing is that Lumines will potentially be released in the budget price Games from Live (or whatever that compilation is called that's essentially a budget price version of a bunch of Live games on a disc) 2nd or 3rd compilation that gets released.[/quote]

woah woah woah....there are gonna be compilation discs of XBA games? which games?
 
[quote name='swetooth9']woah woah woah....there are gonna be compilation discs of XBA games? which games?[/QUOTE]


http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?product_id=200188

It's called Xbox Live Arcade Unplugged if the link doesn't work. $40, and nobody seems certain what's included on the disc.

EDIT: Ugh, what an ugly comp!

Comfirmed titles:
Outpost Kaloki X
Wik and the Fable of Souls
Bejeweled 2
Hardwood Backgammon
Geometry Wars
Texas Hold'em
 
Well if you want a physical copy you can always get Lumines Plus on PS2. Too bad the PS2 version is offline.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?product_id=200188

It's called Xbox Live Arcade Unplugged if the link doesn't work. $40, and nobody seems certain what's included on the disc.

EDIT: Ugh, what an ugly comp!

Comfirmed titles:
Outpost Kaloki X
Wik and the Fable of Souls
Bejeweled 2
Hardwood Backgammon
Geometry Wars
Texas Hold'em[/QUOTE]

That's about $10 less than if you were to download them all. However since Texas Hold'em is currently free, it's the same price. I guess the only benefit is you have a physical copy. They really should include more games at that price point.
 
I think they should officially call these Macrotransactions and not microtransactions. I originally though micro meant a couple of bucks for some simple cell phone quality games to play with friends. I don't even pay $20 for an AAA quality game.
 
[quote name='furyk']It's all well and good to think this, but it's Microsoft's service. They could easily clamp down and say, "woah, these prices are way out of wack." Furthermore, they're encouraging this type of behavior by allowing consumables into the Live Marketplace.
[/quote]

Note: could does not mean that they are doing this. They aren't encouraging anything. Microsoft is providing a service. It's up to the developer to set the price.
 
I was figuring at 1200 points we were getting everything. Looks like I'll be waiting and let the fans decide what this is ultimately worth. First price drop on a Arcade title seems eminent now.
 
The problem I have with this strategy is that you are not getting a complete game. The additional items are not an expansion pack, they simply allow you to progress within the game itself. Immagine how pissed people would be if they were playing Oblivion, and were greeted to a "Pay 300 points to fight the final battle and decide the fate of the land!" message.

I hope that reviewers rip the game to shreds for this, as users will only be getting part of a game with their purchase.
 
I just read in OXM also about this. They gave the game a HIGH review (8.0 I think), but they did confirm that it will have the extra cost for downloads.
 
My favorite part is all the talk about boycott in here... we'll see soon.

Im sorry, but most of the people here are all talk... you say you'll boycott EA, Sony or whatever... but then there you go, laying down cash for it.

I would assume that the average person here makes $15 an hour or less at work right? Think about it, you'll work 2+ hours at your McJob to afford enough points for the game. 2 hours of labor for a game you'll play twice. lol
 
After sleeping on it a night, imagine if other businesses took this model to heart (I know some do, but shaddup and humor me).

In particular, imagine if prompted with this message:

"You'll be prompted to buy the Puzzle/Mission Pack (400 MS Points extra)" once you start "getting on a roll with Mission Mode"
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When spending some well-deserved time with a prostitute!
 
[quote name='mykevermin']After sleeping on it a night, imagine if other businesses took this model to heart (I know some do, but shaddup and humor me).

In particular, imagine if prompted with this message:



When spending some well-deserved time with a prostitute![/quote]

I think they do, but instead of continue with the service its "give me the money and you can keep that thing you call a dick"
 
[quote name='PyroXmonk3y']Why does everyone complain about them releasing an arcade game that is over $5?? When Lumines came out it was $50 new on the PSP, but you didn't see anyone complaining about it. Now they are releasing a sequel for $20, thats a good deal. When Tetris DS came out for $35, hundreds of thousands of ppl bought that game, yet its how many years old? And no one complained either. Yet if it was released for the XLA ppl would bitch constantly on how its 10+ years old and you can emulate it for free. People need to quit thinking of XLA games as not actual games and something to pass the time, and treat them as actual games.[/QUOTE]

Lumines was $40 new on the PSP, and now that it's over a year old it's down to $20. Meanwhile, Lumines 2 is due out on the PSP in November for $30. So if this is going to cost me over $20 to get what I'm understanding is a slightly upgraded port of the original, I'd just as soon spend the extra few bucks and get the true sequel on the PSP - and have something tangible to show for it no less.
 
Honestly, what are they changing in Lumines 2 though? I mean it's like Tetris, you can only do so much before they screw it up.

Also, how many CAG's pay $20 for 1600 points? I got mine for $12-$15 usually....so, it's a little cheaper.

I will probably get since I have about 6300 points still.
 
I'd like to know where are the people that scream out that MS wouldn't nickel and dime people when that topic is brought up, as its clearly what they're doing.

And as much as I know I'll probably get flamed but, "I told you so"...
 
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