Madden 12 League-OFFICIAL CAG LEAGUE-Week 3 live. Deadline Monday night.

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[quote name='gbpackers94']I kind of agree with the bolded, but I don't like the reasoning that a player should be worth less just because he doesn't start for one team. That being said, I am indifferent about the AP trade.[/QUOTE]

my point is if you're trying to balance a trade, a future hall of famer doesnt get traded to a team for guys who'd be lucky to be backups in the pro bowl. Woodhead is solid... which begs the question why trade for AP other than because he's AP. That bugs me more than anything else... thats why i started the second paraggraph off with PERSONALLY... within the league, the trade wasnt ridiculously unbalanced but if i was actually in a position to demand changes, i would've looked for BV to give up a lil more than he did. I've got more that could be said about the trading in general but all i'll say this and leave it alone:

It'd be nice to see trades happening out of necessity rather than availability or aesthetic reasons(ex. i like Calvin Johnson better than Andre Johnson). Things would work out so much better for everyone
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']my point is if you're trying to balance a trade, a future hall of famer doesnt get traded to a team for guys who'd be lucky to be backups in the pro bowl. Woodhead is solid... which begs the question why trade for AP other than because he's AP. That bugs me more than anything else[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure what the question is. Why trade for AP? Because I felt it made my team better. I had the ammo to make him a good offer, and he took it.

No one is arguing the trade was something that would realistically happen in the NFL. We've never made that a requirement in this league, so why are you trying to uniquely apply it to this case? You think the Ravens would trade Ray Rice? The Cowboys Miles Austin? Last year you traded for Steve Smith and Doom for Larry Fitzgerald (for faaaaaar less than I gave up for AP). Would those happen in the real NFL? You guys have short memories.
 
I think Doom's point is that not many teams were in a position to make a deal for AP or Asante cause they had less talented rosters to begin with (in rebuttal of your argument that anyone could have pursued Adrian Peterson or Asante Samuel if they tried). The Patriots have one of the most talented rosters as they stand, PLUS about 450 extra draft picks to spare, so that puts you in the best position to aggressively pursue these players who everyone would love to have. I see you guys sort of already addressed that...but I'm just saying, not many teams could realistically make a play for Peterson or Samuel with their given rosters.

I don't really have a problem with the trade...but I'm not gonna lie, I was a little intimidated to even post any opinions on the trade with how vehemently you're defending it BV lol. I think, if possible, you should try to present your points objectively and try to refrain from shooting down other peoples' reservations in such an aggressive and emotional manner. For the most part, people should present their trade and then let the rest of the people discuss it. I think the only time input should be given from either team involved in the trade is if they're explaining their reasoning for the trade (like personal preference or whatever). You just seem to be a little too involved in the discussion when you're refuting every negative opinion on the trade. There are good arguments both in favor and in opposition of the trade but you shoot down the negative arguments like they're just ignorant and absurd. I'm not saying you should just sit aside and refrain from giving your input if people are making misinformed judgments about your trade...but if necessary, try to just do it objectively.

And about Woodhead's stats, I agree he is pretty darn good for an 82 OVR. That's exactly why I said people are placing too much emphasis on a player's OVR rating instead of looking at their individual attributes. But I would also agree that he is indeed a B-level running back (which is all that Deuce said...I don't believe anyone insinuated that he is a "scrub" or anything).

All said and done, I have no problem with the trade though. I agree that it's in Pacer's best interests to deal one if his top CBs to improve his o-line and linebackers, and that's what he's doing. If it were me though, I'd probably want to dish out an elite CB and get an elite player in return instead of 2 good but not great players at both positions. Then whatever position I don't address immediately, I'll use my 1st round draft pick to get the best available player at that position. Pacer is 0-5 or 0-6 to start the season so it's probably in his best interest to go ahead and plan on a playoff run next season instead of this one (sorry Pacer lol). So he doesn't need to immediately fix every hole at once this season...that's why I'd address one position now (get an elite player) and then fix the other one in the draft.
 
well having the pats u benefit from having so many pieces... the talent u have adding ap and assuming asante samuel is a super squad with bradys arm and aps legs u have the best offense in the league.... brady will make every throw ap will kill people ur line is awesome ur wr core is awesome so i can say prob for most theres a lot of jealousy.... but outside of that its still a game and u can still b beatin.... even doom with a dynamic back and how good he is run.ing the ball aquiring more wr help is a bit overwhelming but he can be beaten its a game.... i think my biggest problam is the guys who arnt that good at madden who tear there teams apart by shippin key guys away..... javid best didnt mean shit to me cause im not good at runnin the ball so i aquired a wr who wont drop passes... u took peterson from a team with mcnab at qb i played with them once and got my ass whipped danny isnt gonna help him niether is haynesworth... if doom gets miles austin and terrance newman that isnt gonna turn the cowboys record from.0 and 5 to 5 in 0. but y would u ship these good ass playerz that give u a chance to win is beyond me
 
Edit: I sent you a PM, MA. I would prefer to discuss this privately.

[quote name='sprice8688']well having the pats u benefit from having so many pieces... the talent u have adding ap and assuming asante samuel is a super squad with bradys arm and aps legs u have the best offense in the league.... brady will make every throw ap will kill people ur line is awesome ur wr core is awesome so i can say prob for most theres a lot of jealousy.... but outside of that its still a game and u can still b beatin.... [/QUOTE]

I've never claimed to be anything other than an average player in this league. I could have every star in the game and the better players would still beat me 9 times out of 10.
 
[quote name='bvharris'] Last year you traded for Steve Smith and Doom for Larry Fitzgerald (for faaaaaar less than I gave up for AP). Would those happen in the real NFL? You guys have short memories.[/QUOTE]

i gave up a 1st and 3rd for an aging WR.. but he was still a 90 and still had speed which was something NONE of my receivers had. I also traded an aging Ed Reed because i had a safety who did exactly what Ed did, but was younger. I also traded T. Sizzle for LaRon Landry... a move that sured up my suspect secondary. Doom needed a true #1 WR... dont remember what he gave up. Ray Rice being moved wouldnt happen(especially as of this season) but honestly, i stopped paying attention to trades after the AP swap so i apologize for not broadening my scope.

As far as short memories go... i dont have one. I still remember the Johnathan Joseph deal... for a full week, i was negotiating a deal for Joseph(who was never openly shopped). When i finally post in the thread that i could be acquiring him, out of nowhere, you come out of left field with a deal for who else??????? Johnathan Joseph. Not long after that deal is made, the guy leaves the league. I highly doubt u had ur friend join the league to send u a player or two and then bounce. What i dont doubt is you had zero interest in Joseph until u saw that someone else was after him. I dont doubt that you being friends with him outside of this league played into said deal but I kept quiet about that... so in all honesty, i'm inclined to gripe about any trade you make but i'm just tryna have fun playing Madden and try to win a SB.

Since you're AFC, you're Doom and Ubernes' problem. I got my own to worry about in the NFC(which is why i stayed pretty quiet about the trade. I play the Vikes this season). Skill ultimately determines who wins what so it's not worth a war of words, but if you ask for opinions, they should be taken seriously instead of just for the sake of saying it was discussed.
 
I won't quote MA because that was a long post, but that was the direction I was heading when I suggested a trade approval group (committee is a bad word?). No one has any idea whether or not approve the Chiefs trade or this one because too much has gone on.

I would like to see both user post the trade and their reasoning, then a group will decide and go back to the teams with a chance for rebuttal or restructuring. Having an open discussion is great but at this point everyone is bitching about a trade that already went through!
 
Yes I stated that you should defend the logic of your trade, just without so many posts saying that people are being "ridiculous" and what not (I believe you used that word 3 or 4 times lol). Ridiculous = worthy of ridicule; which is a bit insulting I think....maybe I am being too sensitive like usual :( If people are posting opinions about a trade that are indeed ridiculous, then the rest of us are smart enough to judge that for ourselves. I think it would be better off saying something like "I don't agree with your reasoning because..." rather than saying "That's ridiculous. Danny Woodhead is 12 times the running back Adrian Peterson will EVER be!!!"
 
Deuce, I've said repeatedly how embarrassed I was about how the Bengals thing played out (in fact I said it again today). My friend made me look like an absolute chump by leaving the league after making that trade with me. I'm glad you don't think I actually colluded, but I know for a fact you've been in this thread when I apologized for it. There's really nothing to be gained by drudging it up.

Like you said, you gave up a 1st and a 3rd for Steve Smith. I gave up a 1st and a 3rd for AP, along with Danny Woodhead and Albert Haynesworth. So AP is more than 1 Woodhead and 1 Haynesworth more valuable than Smith. I don't know, who's to say? I doubt it's either me or you. I just want a consistent standard to be applied.
 
[quote name='gbpackers94']I can sub tonight if anyone needs it. Also jza, have you dropped your two players yet? I dropped mine last night.[/QUOTE]

Dropped them earlier this afternoon, and picked up the appropriate players.
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']as do i...[/QUOTE]

Ray Rice is younger than AP and about 4 points lower in OVR. He was traded in a pretty similar deal to the one which garnered AP (minus the picks, with the addition of a couple of other players going back). It didn't generate one tenth of the hoopla. That's what I'm talking about when I say "consistent standard."

And MA, I'll say this for voraciously defending the deal (btw I only said ridiculous twice, and only once in relation to this deal): Once it was suggested by Doom that I throw in a better corner, it was very possible that that was going to become the prevailing wisdom and that I would end up having no choice but to do that in order to get the trade through. Doom's a respected guy in this league, his opinion carries a lot of weight and usually I agree with it - this time I didn't. I believed the trade was fair as it was, so the point of mounting a defense of it was to keep myself from having to surrender another player that I didn't feel was justified. Might that strategy backfire? Perhaps. But you can understand my reasoning.
 
I need to go eat dinner, but I'll leave us with this thought: We either want to have a league which has trades, or we don't.

If we want to have trades, that comes with the understanding that some of those trades are going to be blockbusters. You take the blockbusters with the little trades, that's part of the deal when you decide to have trades.

If we decide one day that we want to have a league that doesn't allow trades, we can do that too. Playing the games will be just as fun. Personally, I get bored to tears when I'm waiting between games. I was on a bye this week, so the only game I had to play was trading. I think it adds a ton to the league, but again that's just my personal opinion.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Ray Rice is younger than AP and about 4 points lower in OVR. He was traded in a pretty similar deal to the one which garnered AP (minus the picks, with the addition of a couple of other players going back). It didn't generate one tenth of the hoopla. That's what I'm talking about when I say "consistent standard."[/QUOTE]

dont remember if i put this in a previous post and i'm too lazy to go back and look... after the AP trade, i stopped paying attention to trades in the thread. I was blown away by the complete disregard of anyone's negative view of the trade and how fast the deal got pushed thru while other trades are held up for days to give people a chance to speak on it (and undoubtedly try to undercut the deal). I have also been feverishly attempting to acquire a CB so my attention hasnt been focused on keeping up with who deals who. To be fair, i shopped Ray Rice last year, i just couldnt get what i wanted in return so i let it die. dont wanna keep dragging this out so i'm really done with this issue this time lol
 
On another note I don't think the core player's should be limited to 4 , I think with the thoroughness we are going through now pushing trades through I think everything will be reviewed so no limit is needed.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I need to go eat dinner, but I'll leave us with this thought: We either want to have a league which has trades, or we don't.

If we want to have trades, that comes with the understanding that some of those trades are going to be blockbusters. You take the blockbusters with the little trades, that's part of the deal when you decide to have trades.

If we decide one day that we want to have a league that doesn't allow trades, we can do that too. Playing the games will be just as fun. Personally, I get bored to tears when I'm waiting between games. I was on a bye this week, so the only game I had to play was trading. I think it adds a ton to the league, but again that's just my personal opinion.[/QUOTE]


I have felt like this since the beginning when all my trades used to get denied. Im all about trades I have just as much fun wheeling and Dealing as I do playing.
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']after the AP trade, i stopped paying attention to trades in the thread. I was blown away by the complete disregard of anyone's negative view of the trade and how fast the deal got pushed thru while other trades are held up for days to give people a chance to speak on it (and undoubtedly try to undercut the deal). [/QUOTE]

It was put through pretty fast, but if you go back and look there were at least half a dozen different people who said the deal was fine (including ubernes and Doom) before anyone said anything negative about it. That was you, but even initially you weren't outright opposed to it as much as making the point that you didn't think I gave up guys who I'd miss.

Generally the trades which are held up for days are the ones where there's a very strong initial negative reaction to it.

You do bring up a good point in that there isn't a consistent standard applied to how long a trade is up for review, but rather it's just "once there seems to be a consensus."

I'd be in favor of a 24-hour review period for all trades so that anyone who wants to can chime in can.

[quote name='Mr Grand Cru']I have felt like this since the beginning when all my trades used to get denied. Im all about trades I have just as much fun wheeling and Dealing as I do playing.[/QUOTE]

Ditto. I think evidence has also proved that I'm much better at the wheeling and dealing than the playing. Hey Doom, you should just hire me to be your GM. ;)
 
Matt Ryan is now on the block. I only want elite ROLB, elite RG, elite C, elite CB, and youngish TE. All trades must include a QB that is under 27 with either an A or B potential.
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']... has anyone seen or heard from Siradam lately?[/QUOTE]

I think he's just busy:

[quote name='siradam134']Count me out for picking up a 2nd team. Sorry. I run a Haunted House in October and my schedule is crazy.[/QUOTE]

He's been around sporadically, and he and I exchanged PMs the other day. Shoot him a PM, I'm sure he'll see it soon.

[quote name='gbpackers94']Matt Ryan is now on the block. I only want elite ROLB, elite RG, elite C, elite CB, and youngish TE. All trades must include a QB that is under 27 with either an A or B potential.[/QUOTE]

I love this. All trade blocks should be exactly this format. Think of the time we'd save. :D
 
[quote name='bvharris']Considering Philadephia has arguably the most talented roster in the game, it seems like a silly time to make a "rich get richer" argument.

These are the trade rules. These are the rules everyone agreed to when they joined the league. This is exactly the same way as it was last year, when the league flourished. The hand-wringing is cringe-inducing at this point. Trades are fun. We have a cap so you don't make too many. If you don't want to make them, don't. fin.[/QUOTE]

If you need it explained to you (which apparently, you do), the "rich getting richer" means the players/teams who are already flourishing in this league have been acquiring top notch, franchise players at a break neck pace. You can try to hide behind "most talented roster in the game", but that wasn't the point being made. With this continuing trend, it is highly possible that future seasons of this franchise won't even be worth playing because the teams will be so out of balance.

As for the notion that there IS a trade cap (which as far as I can tell still hasn't been firmly put into place), that concept wasn't mentioned once until I brought it up yesterday. I'm starting to find amusement with the fact that you're having to backpedal and defend your stance all of a sudden as more voices come out of the woodwork and show that I'm not as completely crazy as you accused me of being.
 
This league existed before you, as hard as that might be to believe. We had the exact trade cap in place last year that we have now. Go ahead and look for yourself: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=268511

I'm not engaging you any further than that. I'm not giving you the satisfaction of letting you continue to troll me and this league. You can continue to harp, I have absolutely zero interest your opinion or what you have to say.
 
[quote name='bvharris']And Superstar, who'll need an invite back too.[/QUOTE]

I've got a pretty short sub window. Matt isn't on yet, but if we don't start by 6:15 CST it is going to get a bit tight for me! I'm subbing for superstar I believe.
 
[quote name='staticz']I've got a pretty short sub window. Matt isn't on yet, but if we don't start by 6:15 CST it is going to get a bit tight for me! I'm subbing for superstar I believe.[/QUOTE]

You are, hopefully he comes around. Keep us posted, I appreciate you taking the time.
 
[quote name='bvharris']You are, hopefully he comes around. Keep us posted, I appreciate you taking the time.[/QUOTE]

Yeah no problem. Hopefully Ubernes has a second to get on and kick him out :)
 
[quote name='bvharris'] Hey Doom, you should just hire me to be your GM. ;)[/QUOTE]
:lol: Maybe so.

If no one else is around to sub, I can sub as a last resort. I'm bored.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']I said I'd be on by 6 P.M. Central and I was, so I'm not sure what the concern was all about. Superstar hasn't even been booted.[/QUOTE]

No concern from your end, just that staticz doesn't have long. Indeed we're still waiting for the boot.
 
I've messaged Matt so we are all good just waiting on the kick.

There was no concern about that I knew you would be on, was more concerned about getting Superstar kicked...
 
[quote name='bvharris']This league existed before you, as hard as that might be to believe. We had the exact trade cap in place last year that we have now. Go ahead and look for yourself: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=268511

I'm not engaging you any further than that. I'm not giving you the satisfaction of letting you continue to troll me and this league. You can continue to harp, I have absolutely zero interest your opinion or what you have to say.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, keep backpedaling and hiding behind your "this is the way it's always been" statements. So I'm still in this league, but one of the "co-commissioners" will not consider my opinion? You just keep making yourself look better and better.

Also, work on your reading comprehension. Did I say ANYTHING about the league not having a trade cap LAST SEASON? Did I? Show me where I said that. I said that until I raised the point of trades seeming to get out of hand yesterday, NOBODY mentioned a trade cap as players were flying off the shelves. Not once was there a statement of "If you go through with this trade, you will have reached your maximum for core players that can be traded." I'd love to hear from other teams to know if they even thought about the cap when they were making their deals.

You can't even play the troll card anymore because at least 3-4 other people have confronted you about the issue in the past couple hours. But yeah. It's just me. You're a joke, and it's a disservice to ubernes to have you as a representative of this league.
 
Sorry! Fell asleep at the wheel here. I'll get the booting done now.

edit: DONE! Again sorry about that. I don't get on the internet all day and I get caught up talking Breaking Bad.
 
[quote name='ubernes']Sorry! Fell asleep at the wheel here. I'll get the booting done now.

edit: DONE! Again sorry about that. I don't get on the internet all day and I get caught up talking Breaking Bad.[/QUOTE]

Best show ever.

Anyway...........

TRADE ALERT

Chiefs Trade
Rodney Hudson Center 71 OVR A Potential 22 Yrs old
Brandon Carr 81 OVR B Potential 25 Yrs Old
Jerheme Urban 69 OVR B Potential 30 Yrs Old
1st round pick
3th round pick


Cowboys Trade
Miles Austin 89 OVR A Potential 28 Yrs Old
Terrence Newman 85 OVR B Potential 32 Yrs Old
 
[quote name='Zurezo']I can play right now if you drop Darth from the league...[/QUOTE]

I'll text my bro and see if he can join up right now.

Edit: Nevermind, looks like you've got it covered.
 
Packers over Vikings in a back and forth battle with lots of turnovers- 2 INTs from Rodgers along with 3 INTs and a fumble on the other side from McNabb. I was scared after lag caused me to shank a punt and staticz capitalized on it, but I was able to get a passing TD with a few minutes on the clock and then grab one of those picks and run out the clock.

Green Bay Packers 21, Minnesota Vikings 17

Thanks again for subbing, staticz! Bye week for me coming up.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Packers over Vikings in a back and forth battle with lots of turnovers- 2 INTs from Rodgers along with 3 INTs and a fumble on the other side from McNabb. I was scared after lag caused me to shank a punt and staticz capitalized on it, but I was able to get a passing TD with a few minutes on the clock and then grab one of those picks and run out the clock.

Green Bay Packers 21, Minnesota Vikings 17

Thanks again for subbing, staticz! Bye week for me coming up.[/QUOTE]

That Woodson pick was super human! I didn't notice any lag, I thought you were kicking away from Harvin.

Regardless good game Matt. That woodhead fumble for 6 really ticked me off. 6 guys around the ball and you scoop it up and run on down the field!
 
[quote name='Doomtime']Thoughts on the new look of the trade?[/QUOTE]

Was there originally a 3rd player in the trade or is Urban new?

In any case, looks good to me.
 
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