Madden 12 League-OFFICIAL CAG LEAGUE-Week 3 live. Deadline Monday night.

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Jets progression
My rookie B pot center (Myers) shot up 10 points to 71. Didn't play him a snap, so I guess I can take that out of the equation.

My rookie A pot LG (Browning) went up 7 points, so mission accomplished there. I drafted him and had him starting at 69 OVR, looks like he'll be a bit more serviceable this year.

Rookie TE went up 6 pts to 74 OVR.

Disappointments
Jim Leonhard drops 6 pts to 77 OVR.

Sanchez, Greene, Powell, Conner only going up 1 pt.

Kenrick Ellis (A pot, 28 years old) went DOWN from 78 to 76. Not huge, but his rookie season was Season 1.

My B pot RG (Moffit) aged 3 years (seriously, XFN has him at 26, Madden site at 29) and lost 2 pts.

I actually had the same issue with Colin McCarthy. Aged 3 years, A pot, still just 28 but went down from 80 to 78. My other LB, KJ Wright went down 2 pts as well and he's young and B pot.

I would have to say the disappointments outweigh the positive progression. Most players went up or down just 1-2, but it would have been nice to see a jump from Ellis and McCarthy especially since they were just in the 3rd and 2nd years respectively and A potential. Big improvements there would've made my D a bit better. I'm happy with the o-line improvements though.
 
[quote name='DVO21']thats wierd i dont remember trading my 3rd rounder to the titans.
i could have sworn it was schaub for titans 1st straight up o well[/QUOTE]

Not according to the OP.

[quote name='Tanabeo']I'm sorry to all the other trades out there but Ryan Mallett for a 1st rd draft pick was the best trade of all time he now has 98 short throw 96 mid and 82 deep[/QUOTE]

I'd do it again 100 times out of 100. Glad it worked out well for both of us.
 
[quote name='ubernes']
Sanchez, Greene, Powell, Conner only going up 1 pt.
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Surely the irony of complaining about Mark Sanchez being only an 89 OVR isn't lost on you. ;)
 
[quote name='bvharris']Surely the irony of complaining about Mark Sanchez being only an 89 OVR isn't lost on you. ;)[/QUOTE]

It's a video game, remember. :lol:
 
gabbert up 4 points, rookie irseal went from 83 to 90 (19 pick overall) and the Fb i got with the 33rd overall pick went from 83 to 91 talk about to lucky pick esp that fb so late in the draft. other than offense stayed the same but hoping to make more trades.

jags trading block

FB Greg Jones overall 86 age 34 pot B DC should be 87

FB Montell Jones overall 81 age 31 pot B DC should be the same

RB Jordan Todman overall 80 age 26 pot A last year was 78 PM 74 DC so guessing his DC raiting is 76

my guess off ratings are based off what the difference usually is in player management and depth chart rating fom the past on these guyes wouldnt think the space inbetween them would be different


ohhh ya

block buster trade

miami sends

brandon marshall overall 96 age 31 pot a to J-Ville

for

jags 1st and 2nd rounder pick
 
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[quote name='bvharris']And here I thought it was where our .500 players went to be big shots. :lol:[/QUOTE]

:cool:

Super Bowl Champ.

I don't think I even cracked .500 in this league this year. :lol:
 
Pending Approval:
Blockbuster #1!

Dolphins Receive:
Jaguars 1st Round Pick (#1 Overall)
Jaguars 2nd Round Pick (#33 Overall)

Jaguars Receive:
Brandon Marshall: 96 Ovr, 30 Years Old, A Potential.
 
Quick cap reminder:

Trade Cap: 6 trades per season, 4 core players traded away max
90+ Player = 2 core players
80-89 player = 1 core player
 1st round pick = 1 core player

One caveat we added earlier this year: Swapping first round picks (ie trading up) does not count as a core player.
 
Some exciting stuff.
My best rookie last year, TE Desean Lake, went from 75 to 86! I'm definitely waiting to see the depth chart, since he's a B potential, haha. Thanks for all the tight ends, BV :)
Also my first rounder from last year DT Jameel Smith went from 85 to 90, and Raymond Gilbert continues to be insanely good, 92 to 96. Lloyd and Williams continue to decline, but I expected that.

Tebow is officially on the block, but any deal for him has to give me a good QB in return. Sorry :D
 
[quote name='KasterDB']Thanks for all the tight ends, BV :) [/QUOTE]

My pleasure. That's another trade which worked out pretty well for both of us, I really liked all the guys I got.
 
Trade up for Review:

New England sends:
WR Wes Welker (90 OVR, 33, A Pot)

St. Louis sends:
RG Shane Rogers (93 OVR, 24, A Pot)

The Rams, who don't have a lot of talent at WR, get a very nice target for Bradform while the Patriots continue to shore up their offensive line.
 
[quote name='KasterDB']I wouldn't make that trade, but if DVO wants to do it, I won't object.[/QUOTE]

You're not going to get anyone at #1 who's as good as Marshall. So the trade only turns into a win for the Dolphins in subsequent years.
 
[quote name='Tanabeo']If anyone is looking for a speed rb I have best I'm looking for a C T or CB or draft picks[/QUOTE]

Still very interested. Can't move a CB though.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Trade up for Review:

New England sends:
WR Wes Welker (90 OVR, 33, A Pot)

St. Louis sends:
RG Shane Rogers (93 OVR, 24, A Pot)

The Rams, who don't have a lot of talent at WR, get a very nice target for Bradform while the Patriots continue to shore up their offensive line.[/QUOTE]

Not sure about this one. The Miami deal is questionable but at Season 4 it makes sense. Rams might be weak at WR but lesser OVR, younger, still A pot. Tough one.
 
[quote name='ubernes']Not sure about this one. The Miami deal is questionable but at Season 4 it makes sense. Rams might be weak at WR but lesser OVR, younger, still A pot. Tough one.[/QUOTE]

Why does the season factor into one deal and not into the other? Assuming your point is that we're only likely to play 1 or 2 more seasons, age shouldn't matter as much as it did a few seasons ago. FWIW, Welker has yet to regress at all. Typically what slips for WR is speed, which has never been Welker's game to begin with. He's still 95 catch, 98 route running, 97 catch in traffic.

Besides, WRs are generally more important in Madden than RG. I've got a surplus of WR, and he still has another 90+ RG on his roster, so we're both dealing strength for strength. I think it's pretty nice for both sides.
 
[quote name='bvharris']My pleasure. That's another trade which worked out pretty well for both of us, I really liked all the guys I got.[/QUOTE]

Hernandez crossed 1000 yards, haha
 
[quote name='KasterDB']Hernandez crossed 1000 yards, haha[/QUOTE]

Yeah, he was great for you. I'm never gonna throw enough to put up those kinds of numbers. He's the one guy I miss for sure, though I wouldn't want to send back Rahim Moore's ridiculous zone coverage rating.
 
[quote name='ubernes']Not sure about this one. The Miami deal is questionable but at Season 4 it makes sense. Rams might be weak at WR but lesser OVR, younger, still A pot. Tough one.[/QUOTE]

even though personally i don't want to have my sophmore DT lining up against this new RG... The League side of me says that he thinks that this trades quite fair.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Yeah, he was great for you. I'm never gonna throw enough to put up those kinds of numbers. He's the one guy I miss for sure, though I wouldn't want to send back Rahim Moore's ridiculous zone coverage rating.[/QUOTE]

I'm the same way. I miss Moore, but I wouldn't have Lake or Hernandez otherwise.
 
Anyone who is worried about their mid-30s QB retiring, Matt Hasselbeck still didn't retire, now at age 40. I like keeping him around as a canary in the mineshaft, since there's no way Brady retires before him.
 
Looking for:

FB- with high (85+) strength, run block footwork, run block strength, and impact blocking
DT- 85-89
WR- 80-89 OVR

Have for trade:

All round picks
FS- Antrel Rolle, currently 82 OVR B POT AGE 31 or 32
 
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Nice try BV...my detective work has revealed Welker's catch to drop 1 point from 96 to 95!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyways...I definitely wouldn't agree with WRs being more important than RGs in Madden...having a good o-line is essential to all facets of an offense. They give QBs time to throw and open up holes in the run game. Welker has nice stats no doubt, but after perusing through every RG in the game, it looks like the only other RG who can rival that Rogers guy is Jahri Evans. So he's a top 2 RG and only 24 years old...

That being said, I do agree that it's important to take into consideration that this is our 4th season, and realistically, we're not looking at TOO many more...so Welker still has value at his age. Even regardless of age though, I'd still take that RG over Welker...just about perfect run blocking and excellent pass blocking as well. It's irrelevant to say that he has another 90+ RG on his roster since o-linemen are often interchangeable at most positions on the line. I really doubt he was sitting either of his RGs last season with a 74 OVR LG and an 83 OVR RT. I don't think this trade is nearly bad enough to intervene, but I think it's a shame most people undervalue o-linemen just cause they don't really produce any flashy statistics. You hardly ever see people trading for o-line in this league. Speaking of which.....Matt Birk retired so I might need to start fishing!!!
 
[quote name='MasterAwesome']Nice try BV...my detective work has revealed Welker's catch to drop 1 point from 96 to 95!!!!!!!!!!!
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Curses! I was talking about his OVR not regressing though. I'd actually hoped he might go down to 89 so moving him would only cost me 1 core player, but no such luck.

I don't deny that the RG is a stud, that's why I want him after all.

I do think WR are more valuable than RG, but that's a matter of opinion I guess.

Given the age difference, I'd be willing to throw in a mid-round pick if people think that would help.
 
I'm still looking to unload Marshawn Lynch - 28 years old 85 OVR (player management) A potential. His speed went down 2 points :( and he suffered a little regression...but still a top power back and with 96 carry, so rest assured he won't cough it up too much.

Lynch - 86 speed, 80 strength, 83 agility, 87 acceleration, 97 trucking, 99 stiff arm, 85 spin move, 80 juke move, 96 carry, 56 catch, blah blah blah 87 stamina, 94 injury....and pretty decent pass blocker if you need to audible him.
 
I've counted too many times my WR have dropped the ball on 3rd down that's probly cost me games. Also I remember when I was playing sprice amdendola caught like a 80 yrd pass and sprices cb caught up and stripped it and recovered like on his 3yrd line and this right before the half. Imo I'd take a wr over a guard also a big name like welker. So i'd say this trade works for both of us.
 
[quote name='GpNinja']I've counted too many times my WR have dropped the ball on 3rd down that's probly cost me games. [/QUOTE]

Nobody's better at that than Welkah. :D

Unless you count the Super Bowl. :cry:
 
Yea I'm not sure bout the welker trade, NE may need to add more. There just isn't enough 90+ guards in the league for their values to be even. I understand welker is still nasty, but not that nasty.
 
[quote name='KasterDB']Off topic, but is anyone picking up MLB 12: The Show?[/QUOTE]

I decided to stick with 11. I'm a season and a half into my franchise (playing EVERY game), figured I'd just pick up where I left off.
 
Yeah I agree CIT is probably the most important stat for a receiver, which Welker is great at....I think catching is highly overrated though (my rookie slot WR was like 66 catching and never dropped a single open pass) and I'm still not exactly sure how route running plays into a receiver's effectiveness...my players all seem to run every route fine. Anyone know? Does high route running mean they're most likely to break away from the defender on cuts or something?

Welker and Amendola are very similar WRs btw...both great slot receivers. If you're planning on using Welker in PLACE of Amendola, then I don't see how that's a big enough upgrade to justify giving up that great of a RG. His CIT is like 10 points higher or whatever but 85 CIT is still solid enough that he should rarely drop passes.
 
[quote name='GpNinja'] Imo I'd take a wr over a guard also a big name like welker. So i'd say this trade works for both of us.[/QUOTE]

I'll bet the Dolphins never thought they'd hear "Welker" and "BIG NAME" in the same sentence when they traded him to N.E. for a 2nd and 7th Round Pick in the 2007 Draft.. (which turned into Samson Satele (BUST) and DE Abraham Wright...(BUST) )
 
[quote name='MasterAwesome']Yeah I agree CIT is probably the most important stat for a receiver, which Welker is great at....I think catching is highly overrated though (my rookie slot WR was like 66 catching and never dropped a single open pass) and I'm still not exactly sure how route running plays into a receiver's effectiveness...my players all seem to run every route fine. Anyone know? Does high route running mean they're most likely to break away from the defender on cuts or something?
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Really depends what routes you're running. Guys with great route running are particularly great at making cuts. Welker is the best curl receiver I've ever had, and he's great on 5-yard ins and outs and slants. If you're just running guys in fly patterns or drag routes it doesn't matter much, but from playing GP I know he likes the sharp, quick routes. Welker will fit his offense like a glove.
 
[quote name='MasterAwesome']I'm still looking to unload Marshawn Lynch - 28 years old 85 OVR (player management) A potential. His speed went down 2 points :( and he suffered a little regression...but still a top power back and with 96 carry, so rest assured he won't cough it up too much.

Lynch - 86 speed, 80 strength, 83 agility, 87 acceleration, 97 trucking, 99 stiff arm, 85 spin move, 80 juke move, 96 carry, 56 catch, blah blah blah 87 stamina, 94 injury....and pretty decent pass blocker if you need to audible him.[/QUOTE]

Don't listen to this guy, LeGarrette Blount on the block. MUCH younger AND he's a 91 (player management)

Also have 5 LEs and 4 RTs if anyone needs depth in those areas.
 
Yea guys with good route running will create separation off cuts. And it just plays into whether the wideout will win the matchup. I know speed plays a part, but I feel like its the wideouts route running vs. the defenders man coverage sometimes
 
I'm pretty happy with my progression for the most part...the one exception is Corey Webster who declined a shiz-load....he is going from my #2 corner to MAYBE my #4...possibly #5. His speed declined from 83 to 79, man coverage from 82 to 77, zone from 88 to 83, press from 90 to 89. I was hoping I'd get one more good season out of him before the major regression...but no such luck :( And before anyone suggests I try him at safety...I already have Ed Reed and Earl Thomas there, so no way in hell he is getting any playtime at safety aside from an unforeseen injury. Speaking of which...Earl Thomas freaking regressed at age 25!! So from Season 1 to Season 2, he stayed exactly the same...from Season 2 to Season 3 he progressed minimally, and then from Season 3 to Season 4 he regresses...not at all how I had hoped! His speed already dropped 2 points too....if freaking Ed Reed turned 35 years old in the offseason and still hasn't regressed a single point anywhere, then no excuses Earl Thomas!!!!!!
 
Welker is very tough to cover on quick routes despite his speed. The reason I don't use him much is that I prefer to throw to tight ends under 10 yards. I'm not using Welker nearly enough, which is why I'm moving him. Having played GP, Welker is exactly the sort of guy he'll thrive with, I'm sure that's why he targeted him.

Elite RGs are definitely a rarity, but guys with Welker's skill set don't grow on trees either. As I said, I'm willing to throw in a middle round pick to even things up a bit, probably a 4th.
 
gabbert
Throw power 90
throw Acc 83
TAS-99
TAM-98
TAD-74
TOR-86
PAC-74

this guyes got better Accuarcy than they give him credit for
 
[quote name='MasterAwesome'] Speaking of which...Earl Thomas freaking regressed at age 25!! So from Season 1 to Season 2, he stayed exactly the same...from Season 2 to Season 3 he progressed minimally, and then from Season 3 to Season 4 he regresses...not at all how I had hoped! His speed already dropped 2 points too....if freaking Ed Reed turned 35 years old in the offseason and still hasn't regressed a single point anywhere, then no excuses Earl Thomas!!!!!![/QUOTE]

We've covered this a bunch.. FS progression is a crapshoot, if not seriously bugged. I've seen guys at the position who go down and up every year. Pat Chung regressed twice, I traded him to Denver, and now he's gone back up.
 
Oh and my FA pick-up from season 1 or maybe season 2 has turned into a pretty nice corner:

Malcolm Williams - 74 OVR, 26 years old, B potential, 90 speed, 98 agility, 97 acceleration, 99 jumping (5'11), 92 man, 84 zone.

And I got Chykie Brown, another B potential CB who was a rookie in season 1 - now he's: 89 speed, 98 agility, 96 acceleration, 99 jumping (5'11), 99 man, 83 zone.

Looks like I'm gonna be playing a lot of man coverage this year!! That 99 jumping is nice too...

Oh and possibly the best CB in the history of Madden Jimmy Smith: 6'2, 90 speed, 93 jumping, 99 man, 98 zone, 97 press lol....plus 75 tackle/70 hit power
 
[quote name='bvharris']We've covered this a bunch.. FS progression is a crapshoot, if not seriously bugged. I've seen guys at the position who go down and up every year. Pat Chung regressed twice, I traded him to Denver, and now he's gone back up.[/QUOTE]

Well I thought the consensus was that there was some bug affecting FS progressions just for the first season....I didn't know it was an ongoing thing. FS progressions seemed to be pretty normal for the most part after Season 2.
 
[quote name='MasterAwesome']
Oh and possibly the best CB in the history of Madden Jimmy Smith: 6'2, 90 speed, 93 jumping, 99 man, 98 zone, 97 press lol....plus 75 tackle/70 hit power[/QUOTE]

Scope the stats on Patrick Peterson now.

Wilson's 53 awareness and 67 play recognition are a bit troubling for a corner.

[quote name='MasterAwesome']Well I thought the consensus was that there was some bug affecting FS progressions just for the first season....I didn't know it was an ongoing thing. FS progressions seemed to be pretty normal for the most part after Season 2.[/QUOTE]

Seems like an ongoing thing to me.

Anyway.. Would people be cool with Welker + a 4th in my deal?
 
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