Madden 12 League-OFFICIAL CAG LEAGUE-Week 3 live. Deadline Monday night.

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[quote name='staticz']No. Let's base this on projected overalls -

SF sends:
Vernon Davis - 99 A pot
2nd round pick - low 70s B/likely C

Eagles Send:
#4 pick mid 80s A pot

Does that still look like a fair deal?[/QUOTE]

Fixed a bit, but I agree. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming the Niners have a later pick in the 2nd round. Still not sure that evens things out at all. But it's closer.
 
im fine with the brady deal, besides the fact that the thought of him in a browns uni makes my head really hurt.
 
[quote name='BSETI50']im fine with the brady deal, besides the fact that the thought of him in a browns uni makes my head really hurt.[/QUOTE]


Definately a gross mental picture.
 
[quote name='ubernes']Fixed a bit, but I agree. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming the Niners have a later pick in the 2nd round. Still not sure that evens things out at all. But it's closer.[/QUOTE]

There are 54 A/B potential players above 75 in the draft. If the Eagles wanted they could most certainly take a player over 75 OVR with B potential. The niners have the 14th pick, so actually my assessment should've been changed to a 'high 70s' depending on how you round it
 
Vernon Davis' age is why i included a 2nd rounder (to make up for the ratings drop if one occurs)... it's the 14th pick in the second round and he could potentially end up with a high 70's B Potential player... I'm gaining the 4th pick in the draft for the best TE (statistically, and he was drafted in the top 10 in real life) in the game... i'm not seeing where this is unfair
 
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[quote name='Doomtime']So is this really Deuce or Grand Cru on Deuce's account hogging all the rookies?[/QUOTE]

lol... where do u think Cru got that from??? :D
 
slightly altered deal:

49ers send to Eagles:
TE Vernon Davis (30, A Pot, 99 OVR)
2nd Rd Pick (#14)


Eagles send to 49ers:
1st Rd Pick (#4)
FB Owen Schmitt (29, B Pot, 78 OVR)
 
Ok yeah in the first proposal you put Vernon Davis at 32 years old which I just accepted as true (guessing you used EASports site)...but yeah he's really only 29 according to XFN (maybe 30 once next season starts). I know you already changed it now...but just stating it in case anyone didn't notice the actual 2-year discrepancy in age between the 2 proposals. 2 years can be a big difference in Madden...
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']thanks MA... i forgot that there was a difference between in game, ea site, and xfn numbers...[/QUOTE]

Even more reason for philly to give up MORE.... he's a younger player than everyone thought.
 
[quote name='siradam134']Even more reason for philly to give up MORE.... he's a younger player than everyone thought.[/QUOTE]

i get where ur comin from, and as i said before... i do recognize that there is a slight edge in the Eagles' favor but every trade wont be 100% balanced (as we've seen many times over the past seasons). I'm not concerned with getting anything more out of the deal than the pick and the FB MAINLY because i will have 3 first round picks and all 3 will be before the 20th pick. With the depth of this draft, I'd be surprised if i kept anybody drafted past the 3rd round.
 
if he's 29 on XFN, that means he's at least 30. not sure if EA site messes up ages for players other than rookies. but if it says he's 32 there, he probably is.

I think if the 2nd rounder is taken out, or switched to like a 3rd, then I don't have much of an issue with it.

edit: but I don't know...I really don't think it's that bad as is. As I think BSETI said, that mid 80s A pot player could easily be mid 90s next year and age 24, 25. Vernon will be around 31-32 at that point (if he's not already). I think if this was Season 1 or something we would look at this a bit differently since Deuce might be getting the better end of this deal by year 2. trading now for the future, and also likely at a different position.
 
[quote name='bvharris']It's happening.

Mega Super Blockbuster Trade for Review:

New England Patriots:
QB Tom Brady (99 OVR, 37, A Pot)
ROLB Rob Ninkovich (77 OVR, 31, B Pot)

for

Cleveland Browns:
QB Colt McCoy (87 OVR, 28, A Pot)
CB Cornel Patrick (81 OVR, 23, A Pot)
LOLB Kaluka Maiava (60 OVR, 27, C Pot)
Browns 1st round pick (#9)
[/QUOTE]

RE: Brady's 2011, 2012 numbers... I know you're trying to paint a picture that Brady will never regress but just because he didn't at age 36 and 37 doesn't mean he can't drop off--at least a little--at age 38.

ANYWAYS, let's give this trade an examination BV has been waiting for! So NE downgrades 12 pts at QB here. Maybe in a year of progression that turns into 8 (Brady down 1, Colt up to 90... reasonable IMO). So for 12 this year, 8~ next year and to get the best QB in the game (I assume) is worth what? Patrick is a good start. 81 OVR CB, good for most teams #2 and A pot. I would say that right there is close to even. Maybe a 2nd rounder in a weak draft tips the scales a bit more even.

I guess this isn't bad. I think such a high draft pick a bit overkill. Ninkovich doesn't do much for me. I have a couple of mid 70, 30+ OLB on my team and they enjoy playing special teams but that's about it. I personally don't think Ninkovich turns Brady's Uber Book Value (TM) from Colt+Patrick+2nd rounder into a 1st BUT I also don't think this is bad at all. I'm splitting hairs here a bit. You asked for it BV! :lol: You got it! So in short: This is good. It is Brady, so he deserves a fairly large haul.
 
Hey guys sorry I havent been around. Been working alot these last few weeks because the other manager I work with went on vacation so I had to pick up all her hours. Anyways I tried to sign back into the league but it says im banned from the league. Just wondering why? And i still want to be apart of this league. Let me know whats the deal...
 
[quote name='Reds711']Hey guys sorry I havent been around. Been working alot these last few weeks because the other manager I work with went on vacation so I had to pick up all her hours. Anyways I tried to sign back into the league but it says im banned from the league. Just wondering why? And i still want to be apart of this league. Let me know whats the deal...[/QUOTE]

You just need an invite back. BV, does he have one? You likely do.
 
EASports site messes up ages for everyone...XFN is accurate. Only reason he might be 30 instead of 29 like XFN says is cause XFN hasn't advanced past the conference championships yet per my request...but it's been long enough now lol so you guys can advance it whenever you want.

And OK so uber is saying that by next season that #4 OVR pick will be mid 90s...Vernon Davis is 99 OVR now (presumably less on the depth chart) but he should still be mid 90s next year too. So that #4 OVR pick and Vernon Davis will be roughly equal next year and I guess by the 3rd year the rookie will perhaps overtake Davis. So you really think an additional 2nd round pick should be added from Deuce because after 2 more FULL seasons this trade might slightly favor Deuce? We're already at season 4 lol.
 
[quote name='Doomtime']I don't remember my Mass Effect AI teammates being this fucking stupid.[/QUOTE]


^^ THIS. Liara's died 4 times in the TUTORIAL. (mars) she won't hide behind cover....
 
[quote name='MasterAwesome'] So you really think an additional 2nd round pick should be added from Deuce because after 2 more FULL seasons this trade might slightly favor Deuce? We're already at season 4 lol.[/QUOTE]

i think the opposition was arguing in favor of DROPPING the 2nd or making it a lower round pick because i wasnt getting "enough" back for what i was giving up
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']i think the opposition was arguing in favor of DROPPING the 2nd or making it a lower round pick because i wasnt getting "enough" back for what i was giving up[/QUOTE]

Yeah, my point was it wasn't that bad, but if the 2nd rounder was dropped or switched to a 3rd it would be good to go. I was agreeing with mostly everyone, but offering a solution.
 
[quote name='siradam134']^^ THIS. Liara's died 4 times in the TUTORIAL. (mars) she won't hide behind cover....[/QUOTE]

I'm trying to play through on hardcore, but it's impossible. James is an idiot. Go take cover behind that rock James.

"What huh I'm Freddie Prinze Jr. I'll just stand here and die and fuck you over Shepard."
 
[quote name='ubernes']RE: Brady's 2011, 2012 numbers... I know you're trying to paint a picture that Brady will never regress but just because he didn't at age 36 and 37 doesn't mean he can't drop off--at least a little--at age 38.
[/QUOTE]

It does mean exactly that.

I don't paint pictures, I deal in facts my friend. ;)
 
[quote name='ubernes']Yeah, my point was it wasn't that bad, but if the 2nd rounder was dropped or switched to a 3rd it would be good to go. I was agreeing with mostly everyone, but offering a solution.[/QUOTE]

i've PM'd Pacer...
 
[quote name='bvharris']It does mean exactly that.

I don't paint pictures, I deal in facts my friend. ;)[/QUOTE]

Facts that don't 100% apply to this league. That looks good and it makes your case just fine, but you've said it yourself not all leagues progress the same. We really don't know for sure if Brady will still be 99.
 
[quote name='ubernes']Facts that don't 100% apply to this league. That looks good and it makes your case just fine, but you've said it yourself not all leagues progress the same. We really don't know for sure if Brady will still be 99.[/QUOTE]

Fifty bucks?

Or better yet, just find me a year 5 league where Brady is lower than 99 or McCoy is higher than 87. It won't make the trade any less fair, but I'll at least concede you might have a remote modicum of a point.

Or even better, I'll do the looking myself: Brady, Brady, Brady, Brady

Aha! Here's one 88 OVR McCoy in a sea of 87s. Guess I was wrong after all. :D
 
[quote name='bvharris']Fifty bucks?

Or better yet, just find me a year 5 league where Brady is lower than 99 or McCoy is higher than 87. It won't make the trade any less fair, but I'll at least concede you might have a remote modicum of a point.[/QUOTE]

My point was minor and I said the deal was fine as is anyways. I'm not going to do the research for you because 1. I already gave it the okay. And 2. I don't really care.

Sometimes you need to just let things go, BV. I agreed that your evidence was solid, but there's still no way to say 100% he'll be 99 OVR. We really aren't supposed to be using these other leagues as a measuring stick either.
 
[quote name='ubernes']
Sometimes you need to just let things go, BV.[/QUOTE]

Don't make points, even minor ones, if you don't want them examined.
 
[quote name='bvharris']don't make points, even minor ones, if you don't want them examined.[/quote]

[quote name='ubernes']
sometimes you need to just let things go, bv.[/quote]

k.
 
Fine, I apologize if I observed that your point was based on no evidence and then presented evidence which contradicted it. I'll try to be careful about doing that in the future.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Fine, I apologize if I pointed out that your point was based on no evidence and then presented evidence which contradicted it. I'll try to be careful about doing that in the future.[/QUOTE]

Try not being such a condescending prick too while you're at it. ;)
 
[quote name='ubernes']Try not being such a condescending prick too while you're at it. ;)[/QUOTE]

I'll get right on that. I'm from Massachusetts, it's tough to break the habit.
 
[quote name='Reds711']Hey guys sorry I havent been around. Been working alot these last few weeks because the other manager I work with went on vacation so I had to pick up all her hours. Anyways I tried to sign back into the league but it says im banned from the league. Just wondering why? And i still want to be apart of this league. Let me know whats the deal...[/QUOTE]

[quote name='ubernes']You just need an invite back. BV, does he have one? You likely do.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I sent it when I booted you - check your invitations. Though sometimes they get erased if someone new gets promoted to commish.

Shoot me a PM if you need an invite and I'll send it again.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I'll get right on that. I'm from Massachusetts, it's tough to break the habit.[/QUOTE]

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ok... final proposal:

TE Vernon Davis and a 3rd rd pick

for

#4 pick and FB Owen Schmitt
 
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Updated Patriots Trade Block:

I'm now at the core cap, so even if I wanted to trade any 80+ guys, I couldn't. Still got some pieces I'm willing to move though:

QB Evan Smith (79 OVR, 23, A Pot)
WR Julian Edelman (75 OVR, 28, B Pot)
WR Taylor Price (74 OVR, 27, B Pot)

CB Derron Charles (78 OVR, 23, B Pot) - 93 speed, 83 man, 84 zone, 83 press
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']ok... final proposal:

TE Vernon Davis and a 3rd rd pick

for

#4 pick and FB Owen Schmitt[/QUOTE]

I don't really have a strong opinion either way on this deal. I'll be fine with whatever the league consensus is.
 
Have for trade:

HB- Ahmad Bradshaw OVR 89 AGE 27 POT A SPD 92 ACC 97 TRK 89 ELU 89 CAR 75
FS- Antrel Rolle, currently OVR 82 POT B AGE 31 or 32
1st-4th round picks

Looking for:

Draft picks- 1st or 2nd round
FB- with high strength, (85+) run block footwork, run block strength, and impact blocking
WR- 80-89 OVR
C- with high strength, (85+) run block footwork, run block strength, and impact blocking
DT- 85-89
 
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Deuce is still getting the bad end of the deal because he's getting rid of the best TE in the game, but he obviously has a plan with all these rookies.

If he wants to settle for the 4th pick and a fullback with anger issues, I say go for it.
 
[quote name='Doomtime']Deuce is still getting the bad end of the deal because he's getting rid of the best TE in the game, but he obviously has a plan with all these rookies.

If he wants to settle for the 4th pick and a fullback with anger issues, I say go for it.[/QUOTE]

I'm of two minds on it.

On the one hand, I'm definitely a proponent of the "let people manage their own teams" thing obviously. So if this is what Deuce wants, it's what he wants. I don't think anybody doubts he knows what he's doing.

At the same time, we do have a precedent of making sure all trades are fair and balanced on their own merits, rather than based on how the specific teams would use the guy.

I really can't decide which wins, which is why I said I'm fine with whatever the consensus is.
 
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