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Ok so here is what me and Chetty did to test this out
First, i picked the Pats and he picked the Steelers. I planned on trading him Welker and 2 nobodies for Wallace and Mendenhall. With Welker i did not try to negotiate with him at all. With Mendenhal Chetty ended his negotians with him. Wallace for whatever reason would not show up for him anywhere to resign, so he could not deny or negotiate with him.
After the trade we simulated to the resign period before free agency. He was able to negotiate/franchise tag Welker. Wallace I was able to negotiate/franchise tag. But Mendenhall who he ended negotians with, did not show up whatsoever on the resign screen so i could not franchise or resign him. So what i would try to find out is what the Steelers owner did with Wallace before he traded him.
 
Chiefs get:
QB Brandon Weeden - 76 OVR (from Broncos)
WR Greg Orton - 63 OVR (from Broncos)

Jets get:
QB Ricky Stanzi - 67 OVR (from Chiefs)
4th round pick (from Broncos)

Broncos get:
WR Dexter McCluster - 72 OVR (from Chiefs)
QB Mark Sanchez - 80 OVR (from Jets)
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This Trade is APPROVED.
 
i feel like this whole online career shit is too much compared to last years online franchise. they just added so much so fast and made it so complex. you think theyd gradually make it a better instead of throwing it all together like it seems they did
 
[quote name='BSETI50']i feel like this whole online career shit is too much compared to last years online franchise. they just added so much so fast and made it so complex. you think theyd gradually make it a better instead of throwing it all together like it seems they did[/QUOTE]

its awesome but it is alot... as we get used to it just like when thwy added all the extra contols in 2005 will enjoy it... im happy with where there goin
 
[quote name='sprice8688']its awesome but it is alot... as we get used to it just like when thwy added all the extra contols in 2005 will enjoy it... im happy with where there goin[/QUOTE]

+1.

I'd rather they add too much and put the extra time in figuring it out then for them to keep lowballing it and not doing enough.
 
[quote name='Chetty12']+1.

I'd rather they add too much and put the extra time in figuring it out then for them to keep lowballing it and not doing enough.[/QUOTE]


this is true.
 
[quote name='Hemingway012']Ok so here is what me and Chetty did to test this out
First, i picked the Pats and he picked the Steelers. I planned on trading him Welker and 2 nobodies for Wallace and Mendenhall. With Welker i did not try to negotiate with him at all. With Mendenhal Chetty ended his negotians with him. Wallace for whatever reason would not show up for him anywhere to resign, so he could not deny or negotiate with him.
After the trade we simulated to the resign period before free agency. He was able to negotiate/franchise tag Welker. Wallace I was able to negotiate/franchise tag. But Mendenhall who he ended negotians with, did not show up whatsoever on the resign screen so i could not franchise or resign him. So what i would try to find out is what the Steelers owner did with Wallace before he traded him.[/QUOTE]

So, basically...if an owner pissed off a player to the point where he decides he wants to test free agency, the player keeps that stance with his new team as well, lol. That's a horrible bug, but kind of funny. "Yeah...fuck you...AND my new coach!"
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']So, basically...if an owner pissed off a player to the point where he decides he wants to test free agency, the player keeps that stance with his new team as well, lol. That's a horrible bug, but kind of funny. "Yeah...fuck you...AND my new coach!"[/QUOTE]



ha yup thats what happens...
 
[quote name='BSETI50']trade deadline passed, cant put thru trades...what should we do?[/QUOTE]



i hope you can beacise i have 2 trades waiting. and i think you can still do them as long as the teams dont play there game before the trade.
 
[quote name='BSETI50']trade deadline passed, cant put thru trades...what should we do?[/QUOTE]

I just noticed that too. Apparently "week 9" for them means the beginning of week 9.

I can change the setting though, and since it looks like something already wiped all injuries (not even sure what at this point) there won't be any harm in me turning it off for the week and then back on.

Edit: Nope, apparently even if you change the setting it doesn't do anything. Honestly, Madden, go fuck yourself.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I just noticed that too. Apparently "week 9" for them means the beginning of week 9.

I can change the setting though, and since it looks like something already wiped all injuries (not even sure what at this point) there won't be any harm in me turning it off for the week and then back on.[/QUOTE]


oh i see that to now.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I just noticed that too. Apparently "week 9" for them means the beginning of week 9.

I can change the setting though, and since it looks like something already wiped all injuries (not even sure what at this point) there won't be any harm in me turning it off for the week and then back on.[/QUOTE]

word, we should just hold off playing any games, sort out all these trades, then continue...just a thought
 
[quote name='BSETI50']word, we should just hold off playing any games, sort out all these trades, then continue...just a thought[/QUOTE]


well that would only apply to the teams in the trade.
 
The only viable workaround would be to allow the remaining trades via cuts, but obviously that screws up the contract situations something fierce. It's possible to do it that way, but I'm not sure it's ideal.
 
[quote name='Hemingway012']ha yup thats what happens...[/QUOTE]

Hmm...the only thing I'm confused about is Wallace. You said he WASN'T available for the Steelers to negotiate with at all (like he just had no interest in resigning), but then when he was traded to the Pats, you were able to negotiate with him? Unless I misread that, that's the only thing that's throwing me off...like it's just random if players are happy about their situation and want to continue playing there or not.

[quote name='bvharris']I just noticed that too. Apparently "week 9" for them means the beginning of week 9.

I can change the setting though, and since it looks like something already wiped all injuries (not even sure what at this point) there won't be any harm in me turning it off for the week and then back on.

Edit: Nope, apparently even if you change the setting it doesn't do anything. Honestly, Madden, go fuck yourself.[/QUOTE]

Noted.

Thank you for going first. ;)
 
[quote name='Hemingway012']well that would only apply to the teams in the trade.[/QUOTE]

basically the whole league
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Noted.

Thank you for going first. ;)[/QUOTE]

No problem. ;)

Week 9 deadline translates to Week 8 deadline. Pretty easy mistake to make, fair play EA. :roll:
 
[quote name='bvharris']No problem. ;)

Week 9 deadline translates to Week 8 deadline. Pretty easy mistake to make, fair play EA. :roll:[/QUOTE]

Not surprised. Honest to God, in the early release, I could have sworn they had it listed as Week 6...because that's what I initially had in my settings list when I was getting ready to create the league. Now, obviously, I could have just misread it. But at this point, I think EA is less reliable than I am, lol.
 
[quote name='bvharris']The only viable workaround would be to allow the remaining trades via cuts, but obviously that screws up the contract situations something fierce. It's possible to do it that way, but I'm not sure it's ideal.[/QUOTE]

this sucks...i guess that works, not sure everyone would want to do that tho. maybe we could just make it optional. i donno i know for me cutting clements and tate and signing harvin wouldnt be too bad. theres alot of big names in all these trades though, lotta $$. and you can only sign FA to one year deals right?
 
[quote name='BSETI50']this sucks...i guess that works, not sure everyone would want to do that tho. maybe we could just make it optional. i donno i know for me cutting clements and tate and signing harvin wouldnt be too bad. theres alot of big names in all these trades though, lotta $$. and you can only sign FA to one year deals right?[/QUOTE]

Yes. We'd probably need to make a special allowance to permit people exclusivity to re-sign those players in the offseason (assuming they can't re-up them before then) to the same-length of deal.

There's no sugar coating it, doing it that way could be incredibly messy.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Not surprised. Honest to God, in the early release, I could have sworn they had it listed as Week 6...because that's what I initially had in my settings list when I was getting ready to create the league. Now, obviously, I could have just misread it. But at this point, I think EA is less reliable than I am, lol.[/QUOTE]

the real nfl voted to push it back along with adding the injured reserve/designated to return list just before the season started or in late august, must of been part of the update
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Hmm...the only thing I'm confused about is Wallace. You said he WASN'T available for the Steelers to negotiate with at all (like he just had no interest in resigning), but then when he was traded to the Pats, you were able to negotiate with him? Unless I misread that, that's the only thing that's throwing me off...like it's just random if players are happy about their situation and want to continue playing there or not.



Noted.

Thank you for going first. ;)[/QUOTE]

For whatever reason, idk if its a glitch or not. But with the Steelers it didn't let me negotiate with him or anything. When he was traded to the pats, in season he still was not available to be negotiated with. But when we got to the resign period at the end of the year he popped up. Idk if this was just a glitch for us, or if something with him holding out in real life made Madden screw it up.
 
I'll discuss what to do with the committee. I'd suggest if you're involved in a deal, you hold off on playing your game until we sort this out.

Obviously I'd like everyone else's opinions as well.
 
From an outsider's opinion, if I were you guys, I wouldn't mess with the contracts. That's just going to screw up way too much. There are going to be cap penalties and all kinds of other things that will limit the amount of money the team can spend the following season. Not to mention, then you have all these big name players who all of a sudden need contracts. It sucks that you'd lose these trades, but I don't think it's worth compromising the integrity of the financial system for. I think I'd just chalk it up to "EA happens" (and where I say "EA", I mean "shit"), and save the trades for the offseason if people still want to do them.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']From an outsider's opinion, if I were you guys, I wouldn't mess with the contracts. That's just going to screw up way too much. There are going to be cap penalties and all kinds of other things that will limit the amount of money the team can spend the following season. Not to mention, then you have all these big name players who all of a sudden need contracts. It sucks that you'd lose these trades, but I don't think it's worth compromising the integrity of the financial system for. I think I'd just chalk it up to "EA happens" (and where I say "EA", I mean "shit"), and save the trades for the offseason if people still want to do them.[/QUOTE]

I'm leaning that way as well, though it sucks for the guys who have trades approved but haven't yet processed them. Also for the people who submitted trades on time but haven't had them improved. Obviously, I'm in both groups. :D

FWIW, the cap penalties should be the same as usual. Since the trading team already takes the bonus as a cap penalty in a deal, the result of cutting the player would be exactly the same. So the only real impact financially is with regards to the contracts.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I'll discuss what to do with the committee. I'd suggest if you're involved in a deal, you hold off on playing your game until we sort this out.

Obviously I'd like everyone else's opinions as well.[/QUOTE]

aright...donno bout u bv but i dont have work tomorrow so i'll be up later if you wanna play our game after we sort this shit out...
 
Now that it's over I suppose we can laugh about it. DVO was in discussion with me about acquiring Victor Cruz. He said he wanted to run 5 wide with Cruz, Gonzalez, Wallace, Jones, and White. Sadly, we couldn't get it worked out, but I would have liked to seen the aftermath, both on the field and in the thread.
 
[quote name='BSETI50']the real nfl voted to push it back along with adding the injured reserve/designated to return list just before the season started or in late august, must of been part of the update[/QUOTE]

Ah, that makes sense. Thank you for making me feel better. At least I haven't lost my mind completely, haha.

[quote name='Chetty12']For whatever reason, idk if its a glitch or not. But with the Steelers it didn't let me negotiate with him or anything. When he was traded to the pats, in season he still was not available to be negotiated with. But when we got to the resign period at the end of the year he popped up. Idk if this was just a glitch for us, or if something with him holding out in real life made Madden screw it up.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that makes it a bit unpredictabie to me. I'd hate to tell people it ONLY happens if you've angered the player into testing free agency, and then find out that wasn't true. Basically, if you're trying to acquire a player in the last year of his deal, the possibility of having to franchise him or get in a bidding war for him should at least be in the back of your mind.
 
[quote name='BSETI50']aright...donno bout u bv but i dont have work tomorrow so i'll be up later if you wanna play our game after we sort this shit out...[/QUOTE]

I'd prefer to get this sorted first, and I doubt we'll figure it out tonight. Unless for some reason you can't play later in the week, I'd just assume wait. As always, my schedule is very easy. :D
 
im all for putting the trades thru with cuts, as long as both owners agree to it. we would have to sort something out in regards to resigning them. but wont we have a chance to resign them at some point in the season? has anybody been able to negotiate with the FA they picked up during the FA period? i havent been able to negotiate with andre carter, not yet at least...
 
[quote name='bvharris']I'd prefer to get this sorted first, and I doubt we'll figure it out tonight. Unless for some reason you can't play later in the week, I'd just assume wait. As always, my schedule is very easy. :D[/QUOTE]

nah i should be around tomorrow, and monday night as well so whatever works. i want to sort it out first too, i need harvin against joe haden and champ bailey...
 
[quote name='bvharris']I'm leaning that way as well, though it sucks for the guys who have trades approved but haven't yet processed them. Also for the people who submitted trades on time but haven't had them improved. Obviously, I'm in both groups. :D

FWIW, the cap penalties should be the same as usual. Since the trading team already takes the bonus as a cap penalty in a deal, the result of cutting the player would be exactly the same. So the only real impact financially is with regards to the contracts.[/QUOTE]

I guess the issue then would be trading for a player who you think has a multi-year deal, and instead, you're getting him with a 1 year contract, that you have to try to renew, in addition to any other expiring contracts you may have. And with Madden's logic, who knows if the player would even accept a comparable deal to the one he had. It's just...yikes! What a mess, lol.
 
[quote name='BSETI50']im all for putting the trades thru with cuts, as long as both owners agree to it. we would have to sort something out in regards to resigning them. but wont we have a chance to resign them at some point in the season? has anybody been able to negotiate with the FA they picked up during the FA period? i havent been able to negotiate with andre carter, not yet at least...[/QUOTE]


you can only negotiate a free agent at the end of the year.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']Now that it's over I suppose we can laugh about it. DVO was in discussion with me about acquiring Victor Cruz. He said he wanted to run 5 wide with Cruz, Gonzalez, Wallace, Jones, and White. Sadly, we couldn't get it worked out, but I would have liked to seen the aftermath, both on the field and in the thread.[/QUOTE]

:applause: Gotta love DVO. Just gotta love him.

Related to that, I'd prefer nobody submit any new trades at this point and we just sort out the ones we already have.

[quote name='BSETI50']im all for putting the trades thru with cuts, as long as both owners agree to it. we would have to sort something out in regards to resigning them. but wont we have a chance to resign them at some point in the season? has anybody been able to negotiate with the FA they picked up during the FA period? i havent been able to negotiate with andre carter, not yet at least...[/QUOTE]

Giving people the option while not making it mandatory is certainly an option as well. Obviously both owners would have to agree to it.

[quote name='Hemingway012']if we went the droping them to free agent route wouldnt not matter if we played are game??[/QUOTE]

Yes, it would matter since I don't think guys can play two games in one week. If you absolutely can't play any other time, go ahead, but I'd suggest waiting.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']I guess the issue then would be trading for a player who you think has a multi-year deal, and instead, you're getting him with a 1 year contract, that you have to try to renew, in addition to any other expiring contracts you may have. And with Madden's logic, who knows if the player would even accept a comparable deal to the one he had. It's just...yikes! What a mess, lol.[/QUOTE]

Could be a huge mess, no doubt. Obviously we'd give that team every chance of re-signing the guy to a contract of the same length (including saying nobody else can bid on them if they hit full-FA), but like you said, with Madden logic there's no guarantee. It's a huge risk any way you slice it.
 
[quote name='bvharris']:applause: Gotta love DVO. Just gotta love him.

Related to that, I'd prefer nobody submit any new trades at this point and we just sort out the ones we already have.



Giving people the option while not making it mandatory is certainly an option as well. Obviously both owners would have to agree to it.



Yes, it would matter since I don't think guys can play two games in one week. If you absolutely can't play any other time, go ahead, but I'd suggest waiting.[/QUOTE]

alright.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']I guess the issue then would be trading for a player who you think has a multi-year deal, and instead, you're getting him with a 1 year contract, that you have to try to renew, in addition to any other expiring contracts you may have. And with Madden's logic, who knows if the player would even accept a comparable deal to the one he had. It's just...yikes! What a mess, lol.[/QUOTE]

yea that would suck for me, instead of getting percy harvin with 2 years left at like 2 or 3mill, id have to resign him right away. and him being young and good hes gonna want a lot more than that...
 
[quote name='BSETI50']yea that would suck for me, instead of getting percy harvin with 2 years left at like 2 or 3mill, id have to resign him right away. and him being young and good hes gonna want a lot more than that...[/QUOTE]

That's the other problem. You won't have any way of knowing what the guy will ask for, even in his initial 1-year FA deal, until he's been cut. By then it's too late to back out.
 
[quote name='bvharris']That's the other problem. You won't have any way of knowing what the guy will ask for, even in his initial 1-year FA deal, until he's been cut. By then it's too late to back out.[/QUOTE]

yup, so someone with not a lot of cap room might get screwed big time. so for instance if i had just enough or just a couple million wiggle room to take on percy harvin initially thru a legit trade, but then when i go to sign him after blade cuts him he wants 8mil, im screwed. so ive cut the player i was trading for harvin, and cant sign harvin. thats worst case scenario for someone.

just an example that wouldnt happen in my situation i dont think
 
I'd rather wait til the offseason but my trade was a salary dump for next season anyway. But it sounds like that may be our best bet for all these deals.
 
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