MAG Discussion Thread

Alright, I take back my previous statement about the 4X scopes, especially on the AR. I respect'd my level 32 to use the second AR, suppressor, handle, purposely didnt buy the reflex sight and went with the 4X scope, stealth, anti-personnel mines, and extra health. If you use the gun to play to your advantages, there is almost no way you can lose. Any other AR or LMG at a distance are just fighting a losing battle. My KD i up to 2.35 now because of this
 
[quote name='the_grimace']Valor is really killing my love for the game. I hated it as soon as I switched, and I still hate it. Things were so much better with SVER. I'm honestly on a 9 in a row losing streak.... its just horribly frustrating. Before I left sver, my win to loss ration was at least 5 to 1, if not even higher... now its almost down to 1 to 1... thats horrible man...

im also really pissed off because now because there are more players, I'm never squad leader as they don't give any senority to veteran players. So there will be level 15s as squad leader with 10 hours in instead of me at level 34, 50 hours and veteran status.... its lame. the squad leaders on valor are really bad so far. With Sver, i had a leadership position every round from 15 up to 60[/QUOTE]

Surprise surprise, its much tougher when you dont have 15 fucking turrets all pointed at the funnel the other teams have to squeeze down to get to all of your bases.

Welcome to the Allied forces on D-Day son.




Although I am kidding, Sver players can still kiss my ass. 70% of SVER wins come directly from their maps. SVER doesnt have any better leadership than any other PMC. You have maps that are almost un-winnable unless the other PMCs are grade A.

Chirst, Valors Sabo is fucking railroad tracks! SVERs has 2 towers with 100 sniper spots that lead into a huge building that you spawn in already. Ravens is a damn jungle...but at least they have to run into position.


Again, this is all fun and games but it just makes me laugh when I hear SVER players talking about how much they win.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']
SVERs has 2 towers with 100 sniper spots that lead into a huge building that you spawn in already.
[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that is how I got the headhunter trophy on those maps. lol
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Surprise surprise, its much tougher when you dont have 15 fucking turrets all pointed at the funnel the other teams have to squeeze down to get to all of your bases.

Welcome to the Allied forces on D-Day son.




Although I am kidding, Sver players can still kiss my ass. 70% of SVER wins come directly from their maps. SVER doesnt have any better leadership than any other PMC. You have maps that are almost un-winnable unless the other PMCs are grade A.

Chirst, Valors Sabo is fucking railroad tracks! SVERs has 2 towers with 100 sniper spots that lead into a huge building that you spawn in already. Ravens is a damn jungle...but at least they have to run into position.


Again, this is all fun and games but it just makes me laugh when I hear SVER players talking about how much they win.[/QUOTE]

i can agree with you to some extent on sver definitely having an unfair advantage with their maps. Since leaving sver, all my stats went down big time. Win to loss ratio, kill to death ratio, amount of kills, amount of points per round... its saddening. But yes, i will agree SVER has unbalanced maps.

The thing that bothers me about Valor is just not losing to SVER. IN FACT... we actually win against SVER sometimes. The one we have been losing to repeatedly is RAVEN.... The last 9 matches I played were against RAVEN, and we got our asses beat. We also lose on defending. This is all modes too. Some say Valor has the best Sabotage map, but I disagree as its usually imo easy to take that last building. There is more entry points then you think.

But back to map design, yes, sver does have the advantage on all their maps. Just considering the maps with bunkers, SVER's bunkers have absolutely no blind spots of people approaching their bunkers. I've actually found Raven's bunkers to be even more ridicoulously stacked after losing to them so many times. While Ravens map is a labyrinth, and forces you to run cover to cover usually multiple times to get to your destination, there's really a TON of open areas! All the bunkers apparently also have view of this entire area. So in short, the bunkers on Raven have amazing range, especially with the way they are positioned. It's almost gauranteed that when your trying to flank another bunker, even a far corner one, that another bunker will shoot you down from across the map. Put this in conjunction with guys spread out everywhere across the labyrinth, it's almost always impossible to move forward. Even if you can take something out, by the time you can get to it again, Raven has gotten back to it and repaired it.

Now, I know playing as SVER shouldnt change this, but we never lost against raven attacking or defending. weird I know, so either Raven got tons better, or Valor just doesnt have good teamwork. I think the latter/
 
Well I think attacking in sabo for valor is hard as hell. The few times I have seen that map won is with groups that were using team work.

I am going to friend invite some people in the next day or so and see how it goes then.
 
my biggest complaint with raven is why the fuck do the domination bases have no ceilings? sver and valor have ceilings on their Lettered control points. im sick of getting pinned down by cluster bombs and strikes. if the other team times it right, then its a constant rain of instant at your spawn point.
 
[quote name='the_grimace']i can agree with you......lots of text[/QUOTE]


I think we can all agree about map imbalances :p


I think you might just be particularly unlucky with your random squads. I've played plenty of games with OICs that do an excellent jobs, and squads that communicate and do well together.

Whe n I try to get people in my squad organized, I can usually get a good number of them to cooperate with me, even if they don't have mics.
 
[quote name='enufs8d']my biggest complaint with raven is why the fuck do the domination bases have no ceilings? sver and valor have ceilings on their Lettered control points. im sick of getting pinned down by cluster bombs and strikes. if the other team times it right, then its a constant rain of instant at your spawn point.[/QUOTE]

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

I noticed that too.
 
I'm on level 24 and really enjoying the game. I've never been really good on FPS, but thanks to the Medic Kit and Repair Kit I can still be useful (plus getting better shooting people, which is always good)

Anyway, I've heard about it, but hadn't actually faced it until yesterday: Curving bullets. We were attacking SVER SABO B, and myself and three others took to the left of the main building, three SVER dudes were waiting across the clear so we got into a firefight, mostly firing behind cover. I start shooting one of the SVER troops (while he was shooting some of my squadmates). At some point he finishes up with them and turns to me and just as he starts shooting, I slide back into cover. Well, I still got hit (I died behind cover actually). Curving bullets at work! Surreal to say the least.

Love the new distance counters on downed teammates
 
13 losses in a row with valor now... im also pissed because i respec'd a few time trying out the sniper and assault rifles, but im stuck with the assault rifles for now and hate it
 
I like how I just got kicked out of a game for not having a head set.

Score.
Soodmeg 300 points 0 kills 3 deaths .......10 objectives blown up.


Highest squad member.
94 points 8 kills 12 deaths.


But its solely my fault that you cant avoid being killed hundreds of times. I have set the fraggo to the front while I was sneaking through out the Raven base.
 
Yesterday I got kicked out of a game for "killing" my team several times due to charges I set on bunkers and gates. Sometimes people are just fucking retarded.
 
i gladly stand in front of the bunkers with a charged on them if that means they get blown up. its weird how many say that one person doesnt make a difference because theres 256. but i noticed in many cases where if I hadnt taken out 3 guys and defused a charged on the bunker within 2 minutes of domination, we would have a horrible long game ahead of us. some stuff you cant recover from.

i almost got kicked yesterday for being a SL and not setting any frago at the beginning of the match. i didnt have my mic on. and i couldnt find my mic to yell, "you see that satelite icon on the your right? its a satelite jammer/"

ive mightve picked up bad habits playing raven. while on sver, I used my mic in 90% games. It also helped that I rolling with 2-7 other guys. Now I dont bother with the mic. Losing doesn't bother that much since its raven. lol. And I just farm the frago points (that never change) or try to get my ribbons. I've only been consistently picked as SL from level 45+. I remember playing as sver as frankied14 said from the lower levels more frequently.
 
I don't mind a couple guys around the bunker once it charged, since (in most cases) that means they're watching my back. I certainly do the same thing, I usually go down the bunker in most cases myself anyway, just to make sure it went down.
 
Just got the game, playing Valor. PSN name= maingon

Want to play with some people that talk, work in a team. Played a few games and some games no one talks or works together.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']I like how I just got kicked out of a game for not having a head set. [/QUOTE]

No disrespect of course, but I wish this would happen more. Obviously not communicating with your team detracts from a team acting as a single unit or force. Teams that tend to be on the same page can easily wipe a team that has more skill, but no communication. If people in MAG made it a habbit to kicking people without a mic, it would force these people to use one, which again, is more conducive to team work.

One could argue if you were the best in your squad and the leader, it would be easier for you to command your team to follow suit as to what their squad leader thought would be the next objective.
 
I feel like most squad leaders have to use mics because there's a ton of people that don't know what they're doing and they need someone to explain things and give out orders.
 
As well as to have Epic Beard Man discussions. Seriously, I got placed with a random platoon and they were just talking about that on the mic lol
 
[quote name='enufs8d']i gladly stand in front of the bunkers with a charged on them if that means they get blown up. its weird how many say that one person doesnt make a difference because theres 256. but i noticed in many cases where if I hadnt taken out 3 guys and defused a charged on the bunker within 2 minutes of domination, we would have a horrible long game ahead of us. some stuff you cant recover from.

i almost got kicked yesterday for being a SL and not setting any frago at the beginning of the match. i didnt have my mic on. and i couldnt find my mic to yell, "you see that satelite icon on the your right? its a satelite jammer/"

ive mightve picked up bad habits playing raven. while on sver, I used my mic in 90% games. It also helped that I rolling with 2-7 other guys. Now I dont bother with the mic. Losing doesn't bother that much since its raven. lol. And I just farm the frago points (that never change) or try to get my ribbons. I've only been consistently picked as SL from level 45+. I remember playing as sver as frankied14 said from the lower levels more frequently.[/QUOTE]

i never used my mic till i got in with the sver cag clan, and i was level 35 some by that point. it seems to be a bigger deal now though then when the game first came out
 
It's friggin chaos without the mic. That's really the type of clan I'm trying to produce and be in. I really don't care if your KD is half as good as mine (2.44), as long as you work as a team and with your team, you will pull your weight.

It reminds me of left for dead really as far as the team work. You could fukking suck the entire game, but that one melee you would pull out that saved me from a smoker/hunter, you just made the rest of the match
 
[quote name='kurrptsenate']No disrespect of course, but I wish this would happen more. Obviously not communicating with your team detracts from a team acting as a single unit or force. Teams that tend to be on the same page can easily wipe a team that has more skill, but no communication. If people in MAG made it a habbit to kicking people without a mic, it would force these people to use one, which again, is more conducive to team work.

One could argue if you were the best in your squad and the leader, it would be easier for you to command your team to follow suit as to what their squad leader thought would be the next objective.[/QUOTE]


I think people place too much emphasis on having a mic. Come on, when you are playing with randoms 90% of the time its pretty worthless to even say a word.

You can easily command an entire game with the built in command system. The problem is everyone uses not having a mic as a cop out for bad team work without even trying to look at the command map.

I can set up way points, Fraggo site, have the built in command say things like, "protect that bunker," or "Repair the motor battery." Send sweeps out to detect troops and bomb choke points. Even set up a way point if I think a certain tunnel or alley way is a better route.

What more as a person can I say that half the squad wont listen to anyway? If the fraggo site is set up to protect a bunker how much more direction do you need? Get your ass to the bunker and start protecting it.

Yeah, I could give out tips and stuff but in the long run it doesnt matter.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']summation : people are retards[/QUOTE]

I can't really argue with your rationale, as you can tell by my synopsis of your statements. Most people playing non-suppression maps feel that going "rambo" is going to be more beneficial for themselves and haven't yet realized its a team game. All I could say is try to play with a consistent group of people that feel the same way as you.

Honestly, the built-in command system works "in theory", but its a lot less convincing than someone on a mic giving orders and his stats backing up what he says.
 
No Mic = boot.
Have a mic, but we don't like your voice = boot.
Your in a leadership position where a clan/group of friends are the majority = boot.

I agree, with Soodmeg. The majority of randoms play with a solo mentality and still haven't grasped what teamwork is. So it doesn't matter in the long run if you tell them orders via voice or the command system because very few randoms are willing to change their play-style. If you want mic usage then be in a clan.
 
Not everybody has a mic, so they should not be booted. They have an annoying voice, too bad. Why boot somebody, because of their voice? Only unless everybody with mics in the squad agree cause they are doing nothing,then boot. but if they are leading the squad with exp, kills or your wining then no need for it., The only people who deserve to get booted are tker's and sl's that don't set fragos and even with sl's not setting fragos announce what to do and they usually listen, You got to understand that if you boot somebody and they just started playing your going to run them away from this game. People that should be squad leaders and their not should still voice the strategies. They don't know how to set a frago and they have a mic, teach em. Don't be quick to boot people, most of them don't understand the team concept or the game.
 
I've gotten used to not using a mic (had a cough for a few weeks) and I personally don't feel that no mic should equal a boot. I always find myself where I'm ordered and I don't go out of my way to just get kills or revives. I'll go after objectives if I feel like I have a chance at completing it, but otherwise I stick with groups.

Might just be with the randoms I've played (I've only played with a couple CAGs, so maybe they have a better idea of how I actually play), but the more people with mics I had, the more people I heard bitching and moaning about other people not doing something, which doesn't really help the group all that much. IDK, I think I'd rather just hear the leaders and have everyone else, save for maybe a few players just run and do what they're told instead of having a voice which really adds nothing to getting it done.
 
I'm finally getting around to putting some solid time into MAG and I'm totally lost right now. I've put just a little over 4 hours into the game and I'm only at level 6. I see people getting 10 kills but they have like 250 points. As far as I know I've only gotten points for kills and assists, and whatever the match bonus is. So do I suck or is 4 hours was it should take to get to level 6? I've upgraded my medic kit so that I can heal others but I have no idea how to do it (I figured I'd just aim and hit R1), and I don't know how to tell who needs healed. I know I can heal people who are on the ground but can I heal someone who is partially hurt and is there any indicator informing me of this? My K/D ratio is somewhere around .80 so it's not like I'm getting completely raped.
 
anyone that doesnt have a complete full green bar can be healed. when your med kit is out, it will become translucent in the middle of your cross hair when you are in range of someone that can use a heal.

you need to get the 2 pt one that can bring people back to life. its worth 10 XP every time you do it
 
yeah its funny. I am turning to online reading to find out about respec points, etc? Is this info in the game and I overlooked it or what?

I do know the resuscitate has to be bought to be able to heal, so thats probably your problem FrankySox. I have a few friends that are level 6 or so after 4 hours. It depends on what your doing.

As far as people having more points and less kills. They are probably running with their squad, completing objectives, getting frago bonuses, etc. If you are supposed to defend a certain area you will basically get double XP for killing while in the general vicinity. So that is how they are doing the higher points.

I think I have 12 hours in or maybe a hair more and I am not completely sure on a lot of stuff yet. I also have spent some of that time just going out with 2 other local friends and having fun. I do want to get into the clan here though.



The one question I have is the clan list, is that the PSN user names or the CAG names? Because I think I ran into Ultimate Matt X a few nights ago and his name seemed to be U_M_X... Unless that wasnt him, but he had a CAG tag on.

So I have to get home and log in here to cross check user names and PSN names to make sure I friend invite real players. Hopefully that will happen this weekend.
 
resuscitation and heal are two separate skills that are purchased. You need to buy heal before the 2nd tier opens up to purchase resuscitation. You can get XP just from healing fellow team mates, as well as XP for bringing people back.
 
[quote name='Snake2715']yeah its funny. I am turning to online reading to find out about respec points, etc? Is this info in the game and I overlooked it or what?[/QUOTE]

There are so many points where I feel the game could do a better job of explaining it's mechanics, since they pretty much just drop you in and expect you to go. The game's manual and game menus barely help at all either.
 
it was all trial and error for me. I'm about half way to my 17,000 pt respec, and each time I make less and less mistakes.

I'll tell ya the machine pistol = gold
2nd AR is the best, 3rd AR = ballz
stealth works, worth the points
anti-personnel mines work better than claymores in CoD
Increase knife range is like Commando Pro from CoD, improved knife speed is like having a tactical knife
Increased health takes your bases to 120 (20% more)

I haven't used the noob tube because I don't roll that way
The suppressor on all guns is great. The biggest difference between upgraded guns and points are the sniper rifles.
 
The biggest difference between upgraded guns and points are the sniper rifles

I am not understanding this, elaborate. Do you mean the biggest increase in performance, or most cost? I am still at work so i cant look.


Also beyond the net is the respec info in game somewhere? I feel as though I missed it and the book is beyond terrible. Waste of paper, says nothing.
 
[quote name='Snake2715']The biggest difference between upgraded guns and points are the sniper rifles
[/QUOTE]
3rd tier SRs are 1-hit kills unless the person is wearing heavy armor (then aim for the head for the 1-shot kill), but you have less ammo compared to 2nd tier.
 
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if you go to the barracks, the first screen shows your current experience, and how much you need to reach your next level (actually have to do the subtraction yourself). If you go to the next screen (r1 i believe) it shows you your skill trees. If you look in the top right corner of the screen, it tells you how many points you need to be able to respec your character. Every time you respec, it requires more points and when you cash in those points to respec, it subtracts the amount needed from your total.

as far as getting better guns, the second AR is king. If you want to stick with ARs, get that one and use it. nothing else. The 2nd LMG is slightly better than the first one, but the 5 point cost is arguable. The second snipe is way better than the first (2 shot kill). The third snipe as Supplice mentioned is great damage, but the fire rate is slow and you don't get many shots with it. Id say if you want to go snipe, get all the snipes and use each one considerably, make your decision as to which one you want to use and just buy that one.

The machine gun pistol is very very nice. Much better than your stock pistol. You can buy a silencer for it, and I've gotten many kills with the thing after I ran out of AR bullets. I've seen people do some things with the SMG that would make it worth checking out, but I haven't had the opportunity to try it yet.

The shotgun to some is nice, but I personally don't like it. You can shoot people at a decent distance and if you hit them in the face they are gone, but I owned the hell out of the last 5 dudes that came at me with one. It seems to be better in very close quarters, like trying to take over an objective in domination, or defending one in the same game mode. I don't think I'll ever spend the 5 points for it, but i have picked up a few after killing others who had one. Not my cup of tea.
 
Hooray, my bluetooth earpiece arrived today. I think it does make a huge difference in most games guys.

Hit me up for some gamesss.
 
Hey sorry if I missed request, but where is all the CAG clans info? I thought there was a thread, but maybe someone made a post instead. Regardless, I'll add in a link into the OP to help get move views.
 
[quote name='NamPaehc']Hey sorry if I missed request, but where is all the CAG clans info? I thought there was a thread, but maybe someone made a post instead. Regardless, I'll add in a link into the OP to help get move views.[/QUOTE]

Click Supplice sig link or mine on the posts above this one.

If I may suggest just changing the OP with the info on his link would be more helpful than having the (imo) outdated pre-MAG release info.
 
Man, I'm really tempted to pick this up on Monday with Gamestop's trade-in offer. Are all the imbalance claims true? About S.V.E.R. never losing and whatnot.
 
PSN: shutup-sitdown

Sver

I posted in the clan thread but i'll post again here

BTW, if youre gonna sign up for squad leader please have a mic. It helps out so much IMO.
 
[quote name='Fjordson']Man, I'm really tempted to pick this up on Monday with Gamestop's trade-in offer. Are all the imbalance claims true? About S.V.E.R. never losing and whatnot.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but the imbalances can be overcome with a good squad that works together. Raven (last time I checked) had two contracts for Acquisition and Sabotage, IIRC.

Sitdown, I'll send you a CAG clan invite if you're not already in one.
 
[quote name='Fjordson']Are all the imbalance claims true? About S.V.E.R. never losing and whatnot.[/QUOTE]

If there is anything imbalanced in the game it is the S.V.E.R. maps, but a great squad or platoon can just take those easily. As to winning all the time, they are more likely to win certain modes more than others. Still, its really random as you can be placed in factions that are loaded with clans or randoms which really tips the scales of the battles. As to what faction mostly excels at, I would have to say:

Raven - Acquisition
Valor - Sabotage
S.V.E.R. - Domination
 
Thanks for the info. I had a lot of fun with the beta. Don't think I'll be able to resist much longer.

[quote name='Frank Deluded']Yes, but the imbalances can be overcome with a good squad that works together. Raven (last time I checked) had two contracts for Acquisition and Sabotage, IIRC.

Sitdown, I'll send you a CAG clan invite if you're not already in one.[/QUOTE]
Sweet. Looks like I'll be starting up Monday.
 
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