Manhunt 2 coming to Wii.

[quote name='botticus']Interesting discussion point. If the policy of Nintendo (and by extension, Microsoft and Sony) is to not release AO games, what happens if a game is not rated similarly in other territories? If, say, Australia rates it the equivalent of an M game, Nintendo has no objection to its release. But the same game is then restricted from being released in the US?[/quote]
I think that's the technicality in the air right now. Why change the game if the rating they get in another country makes it eligible for sale to the mass market. All we need is one country to not ban the game and we'll be open to playing it as it was originally made.

All mod chips aside of course.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']See the thing is your bothered by the real images, replsed in fact it sounds.

But in playing the game you're doing hideous things to game versions of people, that's where the greater potential for desensitization comes in.

Not to mention brain imaging studies have shown that playing violent games activates the parts of the brain associated with aggression more than watching a violent movie does for just this reason. It's interactive, movies are more passive.

Also, I'd argue the "pixelized" argument is getting more moot with each generation and games getting closer and closer to realism. They're catching up to movies in that regard.

Now, don't take that to mean that I think there shouldnt' be violent games, or that violent games turn people into psycho killers. :D

Because I don't. I just think any negative effects violent media may have on SOME peolpe are certainly going to be greater for interactive media like video games, compared to more passive media like films.

But neither should be banned etc.[/QUOTE]

I'm not really bothered by violent movies... I think I'm more bothered by movies with a strong story behind them where there may be violence or injustice. Horror movies don't bother me (but they bore me, so I don't watch them anyway)... whereas a movie like Eye For An Eye made me angry when I saw it.

While I wouldn't doubt that games do raise some feelings of agression, I'm skeptical still about the movie argument. I also wonder, if they do, in fact, not stimulate those part sof the brain as much... is that proof that games are worse, or that we're already desensitized to movies? :lol:

The pixelated argument still works for me, I guess. I know we're not in the 8bit generation anymore, but things still don't seem anywhere close to real for me... now if we had lifesize, virtual reality sorts of games, then I might agree...

I wish I had time to look more into the research on this stuff right now. I'm itching to, but I have other stuff to look up... argh!

Like I've said, I wouldn't be bothered by the AO rating if it weren't effectively a ban...
 
[quote name='botticus']Interesting discussion point. If the policy of Nintendo (and by extension, Microsoft and Sony) is to not release AO games, what happens if a game is not rated similarly in other territories? If, say, Australia rates it the equivalent of an M game, Nintendo has no objection to its release. But the same game is then restricted from being released in the US?[/QUOTE]

All countries/regions have their own standards and ratings. What happens in one country has little to no impact in other countries. For example, playing loli/hentai games in Japan is okay so Nintendo will publish them there, but not here in the US where there would be lynchings and hangings.

[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUJNPb4q3UI[/MEDIA]
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']I've actually thought about this and what will probably end up happening is that in a few of the PAL countries where the game doesn't get rated as harshly, they'll release the game as is and that version of the game with become the most coveted one.

1800.255.3700 - Nintendo

Choose the last option on the line and then press 0 to get the customer service representative. Respectfully voice your opinion in hopes of getting Nintendo to support and carry Manhunt 2 even with the AO rating.[/quote]


I love you, Wii Forum.

I sent them an email yesterday, because to be honest, I don't think the issue is important enough to make a poor call center gentleman suffer.

I also think the debate here concerning the violence in video games in interesting. To start things off, I want to ask if anyone has seen Penn & Teller's Bullshit! on Anger Management which involved an experiement concerning "venting" your anger, and the effects it causes? (They would be the first to admit that the experiment was not a scientific one.)

I think now is a good time to take advantage of electronic library resources I have available and look up studies related to passive observed violence effects and agressive interactive violence participation. Considering that the debate is ripe with a lot of extremely sober opinions (what else would you expect from a Wii forum), it'd be interesting to see what the current studies lean towards.

I applaud dmaul1114 for his "Manhunt is not for me. Neither is banning a game from adults." post (paraphrased). Pass the motherfucking Kool-Aid, brother. And Phantom Hourglass...
 
[quote name='Ranger Rick']Yup, it's over. "And that's the ballgame: Rockstar can either edit Manhunt 2 or -- given its current AO rating -- leave it as a game that can't easily be played or obtained on the PlayStation 2, PSP and Wii consoles. Given the options available to Rockstar, it looks like they'll have no choice but to edit the game or just end Manhunt 2's life and move on."

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/06/20/nintendo-and-sony-wont-touch-manhunt-2-with-ao-rating/#comments[/quote]
I would throw my $0.02 cents in but you don't want to hear me say fuck about 18,000 times. Well this is what I have feared all my life, parents not doing their job and trying to ruin civilized life for the rest of us because they are too fucking lazy. What next GTA get the AO rating? You don't want to know how fucking pissed I am right now.
 
It's plain censorship. The AO rating should not exist, because if a game is rated AO that game can not exist (Sony and Nintendo Will not liscense AO games, Microsoft has not commented.)
 
I'm frankly surprised Ninteno and Sony won't allow AO games. But I'm with you folks, the AO rating shouldn't even exist. It's dumb if you think about it. M is for 17 and up. AO is for 18 and up. Where is the line drawn that designates one game as 18 and up versus 17 and up, especially considering the amount of violence that has passed with an M rating before? The UK ban is even more blatant censorship.

But Rockstar doesn't have to live with the AO, they can still appeal, just like they can the UK ban.

I's funny, I'm defending the game despite the fact I know I personally wouldn't enjoy it. I don't support any kind of censorship. It's the individual's (or the parents') responsibility to judge this sort of situation.
 
[quote name='Ranger Rick']It's plain censorship. The AO rating should not exist, because if a game is rated AO that game can not exist (Sony and Nintendo Will not liscense AO games, Microsoft has not commented.)[/quote]Microsoft has commented and is following suit.
 
@Spiwak: You are right on the money.

I don't see the point in an AO rating when the M rating already exists. There's probably a fascinating back story on why there needs to be a differentiation between the two, but frankly I'm not interested.

My interest in this game is solely due to morbid curiosity. It doesn't inspire me on an aesthetic level just as it doesn't rankle me on any moral level. It should be up to the consumer to make the decision, and (hopefully) the parents to be really vigilant and see that this game is NOT for kids.

Unfortunately, this is currently more of a political issue, and my prediction is this: Manhunt 2 will be edited enough to appease the ratings board, Take 2 will appeal in the UK, and perhaps the game will be seen in unedited form on the PC at some point down the line.

As for Manhunt 2 in its current state: it will not see the light of day on consoles, I guarantee it.
 
[quote name='Ranger Rick']Yup, it's over. "And that's the ballgame: Rockstar can either edit Manhunt 2 or -- given its current AO rating -- leave it as a game that can't easily be played or obtained on the PlayStation 2, PSP and Wii consoles. Given the options available to Rockstar, it looks like they'll have no choice but to edit the game or just end Manhunt 2's life and move on."

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/06/20/nintendo-and-sony-wont-touch-manhunt-2-with-ao-rating/#comments[/quote]
fuck! NOOO! This is awful! I don't want an edited version! I want to play the game in all its blood-soaked glory!

fuck! I'm so pissed off right now. I've never wanted to play a game so badly In my life.

*EDIT*

I don't know if this has been posted already, but for all of you who were planning on using Gamefly or Blockbuster to rent it, you're outta luck:

http://wii.qj.net/category/Manhunt-2/cid/3461
 
Ah, I see the Wii heads also make up their minds about the game without knowing shit.

To set the record straight: you are against AO rating because... You played Manhunt 2? Because you have in your pocket the listing of content within Manhunt 2 sent to you by Rockstar? Or is it because you played Manhunt 1 and you assume you know dick from shit about the second one based on screenshots, previews, and trailers?

I just want to point out that there are certain things that could warrant the game an AO rating legitimately as been discussed to death in that other Manhunt 2 thread.

One thing I could live without: people forming extreme opinions regarding the game they know nothing about. Doubting ESRB is one thing, declaring point-blank that they are flat-out-wrong is another. One of the two professes blind force backed up by nothing but ignorance.

If anyone cares to know, I do not support Nintendo's decision that AO titles are not acceptable on their consoles. Nintendo is to blame for Manhunt 2 not coming to Wii - NOT ESRB. Be glad we're not in UK (unless you're in UK, then be sad, because your country sucks, and I say that as the biggest importer of UK goods I know of) where a government regulation can restrict game sales within the country period. And those who really want some bloody shit, cross your fingers for a PC version, where the hardware is more adult-oriented, it seems.
 
[quote name='MarioColbert']
I just want to point out that there are certain things that could warrant the game an AO rating legitimately as been discussed to death in that other Manhunt 2 thread.

One thing I could live without: people forming extreme opinions regarding the game they know nothing about. Doubting ESRB is one thing, declaring point-blank that they are flat-out-wrong is another. One of the two professes blind force backed up by nothing but ignorance.

If anyone cares to know, I do not support Nintendo's decision that AO titles are not acceptable on their consoles. Nintendo is to blame for Manhunt 2 not coming to Wii - NOT ESRB. Be glad we're not in UK (unless you're in UK, then be sad, because your country sucks, and I say that as the biggest importer of UK goods I know of) where a government regulation can restrict game sales within the country period. And those who really want some bloody shit, cross your fingers for a PC version, where the hardware is more adult-oriented, it seems.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree with both points. There is probably content that warrants and AO. From what i've read about ripping testicles out with pliers etc., this clearly goes far behind your typical M rated games like Halo or even GTA in terms of the level of violence.

But, as I said before I dont' support the game being banned and kept out of the hands of adults. Nintendo and Sony are absolute douche's for not allowing AO rated games on their system, and the UK is even worse for outright banning the game.
 
[quote name='MarioColbert']Ah, I see the Wii heads also make up their minds about the game without knowing shit.

To set the record straight: you are against AO rating because... You played Manhunt 2? Because you have in your pocket the listing of content within Manhunt 2 sent to you by Rockstar? Or is it because you played Manhunt 1 and you assume you know dick from shit about the second one based on screenshots, previews, and trailers?

I just want to point out that there are certain things that could warrant the game an AO rating legitimately as been discussed to death in that other Manhunt 2 thread.

One thing I could live without: people forming extreme opinions regarding the game they know nothing about. Doubting ESRB is one thing, declaring point-blank that they are flat-out-wrong is another. One of the two professes blind force backed up by nothing but ignorance.

If anyone cares to know, I do not support Nintendo's decision that AO titles are not acceptable on their consoles. Nintendo is to blame for Manhunt 2 not coming to Wii - NOT ESRB. Be glad we're not in UK (unless you're in UK, then be sad, because your country sucks, and I say that as the biggest importer of UK goods I know of) where a government regulation can restrict game sales within the country period. And those who really want some bloody shit, cross your fingers for a PC version, where the hardware is more adult-oriented, it seems.[/quote]My personal problem is not that Manhunt 2 got a AO rating (which it probably deserves), but the backlash about an AO game. I don't think anyone would care if it got a AO rating if we could actually play the damn game, but because we can't I think we all wish it was rated M. I agree with your point MarioColbert, but I think the problem is a overreaction to we can't play it more than yes it is that violent to get that rating and people might think the ESRB are wrong because they can't play Manhunt2. I agree with the ESRB's decision after I thought it over but I do think people should be allowed to play this game since Rockstar put something into making this and just outright banning it will cost them millions.
 
[quote name='Sir_Fragalot']...but I think the problem is a overreaction to we can't play it more than yes it is that violent to get that rating and people might think the ESRB are wrong because they can't play Manhunt2.[/quote]

I love this post as much as I enjoy your avatar and everything it stands for. If I hate to rate this post, I'd rate it E for EVERYONE, because the excerpt above is what everyone who feels strongly about the issue is really afraid to admit. Thanks!

[quote name='dmaul1114']But, as I said before I dont' support the game being banned and kept out of the hands of adults. Nintendo and Sony are absolute douche's for not allowing AO rated games on their system, and the UK is even worse for outright banning the game.[/quote]

Are you fuckers like... conspiring to get a tear out of me before the night's over? Because it's working. I'm not sure as to why the Wii forum is the only one where things make sense. I guess we're all kids here, and kids are just naturally more sensible in debates and disagreements. Yeah, that's it.
 
Exactly. No one would give half a shit if the game got a Z-rating if they could play the game. The reason I question it is the extreme reaction to AO as opposed to M, where the literal difference is a whole year. That and it doesn't really make sense for the rating to even exist if none of the consoles will release anything with the rating. But MarioColbert is right. It is definitely possible to go beyond M and the problem is in the censorship not the rating.
 
[quote name='MarioColbert']Ah, I see the Wii heads also make up their minds about the game without knowing shit.

One thing I could live without: people forming extreme opinions regarding the game they know nothing about. Doubting ESRB is one thing, declaring point-blank that they are flat-out-wrong is another. One of the two professes blind force backed up by nothing but ignorance.[/QUOTE]

Why have you been going around insulting and bitching at people for having strong opinions against the ESRB when, if you haven't noticed, you are doing the same shit on the opposite side? Why don't you calm the fuck down and accept that some people don't agree with you instead of trying to act like nobody knows shit about this issue except you?

To set the record straight: you are against AO rating because... You played Manhunt 2? Because you have in your pocket the listing of content within Manhunt 2 sent to you by Rockstar? Or is it because you played Manhunt 1 and you assume you know dick from shit about the second one based on screenshots, previews, and trailers?

I just want to point out that there are certain things that could warrant the game an AO rating legitimately as been discussed to death in that other Manhunt 2 thread.
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How about we're against it because we feel like it? How about the fact that the first game set a precedent for M rated content and we believe that disemboweling a guy with a chainsaw is the same shit as ripping nuts off? How about the fact that R* is well aware of the ratings, and their disdain by the ESRB and were really trying for an M rating? How about the fact that we'd rather take R* word over the ESRB's?

You coming to some conclusion as to what is legit does not make it absolute fact that we all must believe and abide by.

The fact of the matter is that the AO rating serves absolutely no purpose other than to ban a game. A game with that rating isn't accepted on any console so why does the ESRB have it? How does that help to inform the public if the game is never going to see the light of day?

It's obvious you have a bug up your ass about the esrb or some shit, but it doesn't change the fact that the system is broken, the esrb is broken and now Rockstar has to go back and censor their game because of it.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']It's obvious you have a bug up your ass about the esrb or some shit, but it doesn't change the fact that the system is broken, the esrb is broken and now Rockstar has to go back and censor their game because of it.[/quote]

The only "fact" here is that you're talking out of your ass and base your moronic analysis on speculation of a game the contents of which are unfamiliar to you. Nice of you to admit that you simply "feel" like being rebellious, with not as much as an interest as to what exactly is in the game.

[quote name='Scrubking']Why have you been going around insulting and bitching at people for having strong opinions against the ESRB when, if you haven't noticed, you are doing the same shit on the opposite side?[/quote]

No. I've been speaking out against banning games. I have expressed the lack of support for Nintendo for not willing to comply. What else do you want? Sorry for not wanting to talk out of my ass about the game contents. You can try to write little clever letters to ESRB spokespeople, but as long as you keep following nothing but a blind "hitch" that the game "ought to be M-rated," you will have to explain just how come you became arrogant enough to assume you know more about the game than people with direct access to information provided by the developer.

I'm glad we have people like you around who no doubt email and call ESRB. I'm sure you wrote amazing shit that totally changed their mind, and did not make you look like a presumptious cock.
 
[quote name='MarioColbert']The only "fact" here is that you're talking out of your ass and base your moronic analysis on speculation of a game the contents of which are unfamiliar to you. Nice of you to admit that you simply "feel" like being rebellious, with not as much as an interest as to what exactly is in the game.

No. I've been speaking out against banning games. I have expressed the lack of support for Nintendo for not willing to comply. What else do you want? Sorry for not wanting to talk out of my ass about the game contents. You can try to write little clever letters to ESRB spokespeople, but as long as you keep following nothing but a blind "hitch" that the game "ought to be M-rated," you will have to explain just how come you became arrogant enough to assume you know more about the game than people with direct access to information provided by the developer.

I'm glad we have people like you around who no doubt email and call ESRB. I'm sure you wrote amazing shit that totally changed their mind, and did not make you look like a presumptious cock.[/quote]

You on the other hand, no offense, look like a dick overall. Tone it down.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']The fact of the matter is that the AO rating serves absolutely no purpose other than to ban a game.[/quote]
The rating system serves no purpose other than to characterize the objectionable content of games and inform the audience of that content. The interpretation of any given rating is purely up to console manufacturers and retailers. If Best Buy and Wal-Mart decided to stop carrying EC-rated games, would it be the ESRB's fault for "banning" child-friendly games from retail?

You might think the ESRB is broken now, but it serves its purpose much better than a ratings board that is so easily influenced by external factors. A ratings board is meaningless if it can't be objective.
 
I'd love to see them cut it down to M to make it on store shelves but offer the AO version on their website.

It would be the perfect test market to truly guage interest in AO titles. They could probably even charge a premium for the AO version.
 
ESRB has the same problems and benefits as the MPAA, both being internally controlled ratings-systems. The con is that creators are indirectly regulated by these systems (developers need to avoid AO, just as directors need to avoid NC) because of the unmarketability that comes as a result of these ratings. The benefit is that there's no direct regulation, as we've seen in the UK ban of the game. It's hard to say if the system is any better than direct regulation, as the end result would be the same anyhow. Manhunt 2 is an excellent example, actually, since it was directly banned in the UK, but the ESRB rating of AO has indirectly banned it in the US. In any case, I feel more people in the US would be pissed off if the government was directly regulating games. Systems like ESRB exist to keep the government from stepping in, because there will always be someone trying to regulate them.
 
[quote name='spiwak']ESRB has the same problems and benefits as the MPAA, both being internally controlled ratings-systems. The con is that creators are indirectly regulated by these systems (developers need to avoid AO, just as directors need to avoid NC) because of the unmarketability that comes as a result of these ratings. The benefit is that there's no direct regulation, as we've seen in the UK ban of the game. It's hard to say if the system is any better than direct regulation, as the end result would be the same anyhow. Manhunt 2 is an excellent example, actually, since it was directly banned in the UK, but the ESRB rating of AO has indirectly banned it in the US. In any case, I feel more people in the US would be pissed off if the government was directly regulating games. Systems like ESRB exist to keep the government from stepping in, because there will always be someone trying to regulate them.[/quote]

Not if Ron Paul wins.
 
[quote name='MarioColbert']I guess we're all kids here, and kids are just naturally more sensible in debates and disagreements. Yeah, that's it.[/QUOTE]

Nope. I'm 28. :D
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Nope. I'm 28. :D[/quote]

I'm four years behind you, and I was being sarcastic (you know "Wii is for kids" sentiment).

Scrub and Zen Davis: I am sorry if I came accross as a straight up dick (or even a flaccid one). It's nothing personal, and I, in part, share your frustration of a system in place that straight up bans titles from consoles. I will maintain my position that if there is _any_ title that is legitimately AO rated, the burden of "ban" lies with our console manufacturers, and you can not expect ESRB to rate everything M - that is not what their main consumer (parents, unfortunately) ask them to do. In my opinion, it would be wiser to send email to Nintendo and Sony about this, than simply bash ESRB.

I do have to say, though, that I would encourage learning as much as you can about Manhunt 2. Whether or not it got cencored proper to make some non-gamers happy or legitimately removed due to legitimate concerns is, to me, the important question in this.
 
[quote name='d00k']fuck! NOOO! This is awful! I don't want an edited version! I want to play the game in all its blood-soaked glory!

fuck! I'm so pissed off right now. I've never wanted to play a game so badly In my life.

[/quote]


Looks like their little marketing ploy worked. I seriously doubt they had any intention of releasing this game as they submitted it.
 
The game looked decent (I was never good at the first manhunt though) but I think its ridiculous to ban a game. This is America, they should be able to release whatever they want. If its that bad keep it behind the counter and put a huge red sticker on the cover "MUST BE 18 TO BUY" and inform all employees of this.
 
Take-Two Interactive Software has temporarily suspended plans to distribute Manhunt 2 for the Wii or PlayStation platforms while it reviews its options with regard to the recent decisions made by the British Board of Film Classification and Entertainment Software Rating Board. We continue to stand behind this extraordinary game. We believe in freedom of creative expression, as well as responsible marketing, both of which are essential to our business of making great entertainment."
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http://www.gamespot.com/news/6172931.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;0
 
[quote name='daminion']Looks like their little marketing ploy worked. I seriously doubt they had any intention of releasing this game as they submitted it.[/quote]

I wouldn't be suprised. If that is the case, they did a damn good job.
 
I dont get why everyone has a presumptious dislike for the game. Reading from IGN, it seems very interactive, and seems to have the wii controls that every wii fan wants games to have.

Sure, its probably not everyones cup o tea but already expressing the game with a bitter tone and calling it tasteless seems a bit much for not even playing the game.

On a sidenote, who remmebers that wii game coming out that the producer promised to be bloodier then manhunt 2? I remmeber it was supposed to be called No More Heros? Or maybe something with the number 7 in it.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I agree on the atmosphere, but I do think that even in Manhunt to the approach to the violence is much worse than that in Gears of War etc (especially since aside from multiplayer you're kliling insect, alien things).

I don't mind any precedent with AO ratings, they just need to change the ratings and have like an AOV rating for violent games and an AOS rating for sex games or something. Or maybe must 18+ for games like this, and AO for porn games?

Stores would probably carry the AOV/18+ games. AO games are shunned now, as when people here AO, NC-17, X-rated, etc. they think porn, and this country has the backwards standards of sex being awful but violence being A-OK so stores don't care stuff with those ratings.[/quote]

QFT
 
[quote name='AmigoOne']I dont get why everyone has a presumptious dislike for the game. Reading from IGN, it seems very interactive, and seems to have the wii controls that every wii fan wants games to have.[/quote] I guess I'm one of the few that was actually looking forward to this game. I really enjoyed the original Manhunt. It was gruesome and difficult to handle, but satisfying regardless. Kind of like a gruesome R rated horror film.
 
Appearntly altering the game will be next to impossible because it will screw up the structure of it, to take out the violent stuff.

I don't really care. Rockstar games has deserved to be humbled for a long time. I thought the whole Grand Theft Auto Hot Coffee bullshit would do the trick. But nope. I hope it gets cancelled and the millions they dumped into making it is flushed down the toilet. The video game industry will be better off without them to make the industry a moving target for people that like to blame video games for everything wrong in the world. Nobody makes games for consoles as extremely obscene as Rockstar does. Quite frankly, the people that enjoy their stuff scare me.
 
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Bwahahahaha!1!!11!! OMG this is funnier than COD! oh man... I can just see someone "accidentally" strangling themselves with the nunchuck cord.
 
i really think its all about the #'s and the what the public media would think. nintendo stated on their manual even that they will not be releasing anything that has a AO rating. that itself is understandable. but to think that Sony doesn't want to do this because of that reason is insane. here is a company that oks GTA games and some other demented gory, horror like games and yet it wants to be a copycat nintendo. the company is obviously afraid of bad press at this time since the Ps3 isnt doing so well already to give it more bad press would only make their plunging stocks worse.

sorry if this was mentioned before, but im absolutely appalled. ive been reading about it for awhile, but now it seems that Take Two had "temporarily suspended" the series. the editing of this game will cost them a great deal of money. i could just imagine the frustrations of the people who worked hard to create this game. if i were take two/rockstar, i would counter attack sony and not release grand theft auto 4 for the ps3.
 
[quote name='phear3d']i really think its all about the #'s and the what the public media would think. nintendo stated on their manual even that they will not be releasing anything that has a AO rating. that itself is understandable. but to think that Sony doesn't want to do this because of that reason is insane. here is a company that oks GTA games and some other demented gory, horror like games and yet it wants to be a copycat nintendo. the company is obviously afraid of bad press at this time since the Ps3 isnt doing so well already to give it more bad press would only make their plunging stocks worse.

sorry if this was mentioned before, but im absolutely appalled. ive been reading about it for awhile, but now it seems that Take Two had "temporarily suspended" the series. the editing of this game will cost them a great deal of money. i could just imagine the frustrations of the people who worked hard to create this game. if i were take two/rockstar, i would counter attack sony and not release grand theft auto 4 for the ps3.[/quote]Microsoft will also not allow AO content on their console, so releasing GTAIV for the 360 alone wouldn't really make much of a statement.

The other games you mention that Sony will allow on their console are games that are rated M. Not AO.
 
[quote name='Survivor Charlie']I don't really care. Rockstar games has deserved to be humbled for a long time. I thought the whole Grand Theft Auto Hot Coffee bullshit would do the trick. But nope. I hope it gets cancelled and the millions they dumped into making it is flushed down the toilet. The video game industry will be better off without them to make the industry a moving target for people that like to blame video games for everything wrong in the world. Nobody makes games for consoles as extremely obscene as Rockstar does. Quite frankly, the people that enjoy their stuff scare me.[/quote]

I won't go into attacking your opinions of Rockstar's games (I share your sentiment that their games are lackluster at best, and sell primarily due to being forbidden fruits in some way or another), but I'll passively mention that I don't think they deserve the heat directly for the people who blame video games. Grand Theft Auto was only one of many games mentioned by Jack Thompson, who also went on to attack Counterstrike and The Sims. The latter is "absolute proof" as far as I am concerned, that actual knowledge of violence and sexuality n games are not in the sights of the ones opposing games.

There are a lot of interesting things regarding Hot Coffee mod. I'd spill the beans, but I don't want to sound like a dumbass, so I'm going to check the facts first. I'm certain nobody cares, but I suspect that the unlockers of hidden content are breaching their limited rights with the software they licences (not bought, if you bother to read the licence agreements in any of your videogame manuals). Until I have some time to get ahold of GTA software agreement (never bothered to own the game, because I yawn enough as it is). Just speculation for thought for now. :]
 
You misunderstand me, Mario. Of course I don't pin the heat on 'mature' games from the likes of Jack Turdblossom solely on Rockstar.

My point was Rockstar's games exist solely for controversey. Sure, the tech demo they released as Table Tennis for the 360 is an exception, but look at their lineup. Grand Theft Auto. Manhunt. Bully. These are not games for mature adults. These are games for immature people to do immature things. Kill hookers, shoot cops, steal cars. This is not a sign of maturity. I've worked at EBGames. You know who most of those games were bought for? Children. Bought by adults who didn't want to hear how bad a video game's content was. Typical was adult who said "It's just a fucking video game" when buying GTA San Andreas for their twelve year old, who often asked if this was the "Hot Coffee" version. I've actually had adults threaten me for refusing to sell the game to their child. "Why do I have to be here? It's just a fucking video game. If you ever tell my kid he can't buy a videogame again, we're going to have words."

And that's what Rockstar's function is. To create games that the immature and socially rejected will enjoy. I'm sick of people waving the whole "games for adults" crap in my face about GTA or Manhunt. Bullcrap. Like the tobacco industry, they are marketed to appeal to children under the guise of being for adults. And I call bullshit on Rockstar. They're the worst thing to happen to the video game industry in the last decade.
 
[quote name='Survivor Charlie']Grand Theft Auto. Manhunt. Bully. These are not games for mature adults. These are games for immature people to do immature things.[/quote]
I'm a mature adult and really enjoy all those games. *shrugs*
 
[quote name='hohez']The game will be out by the end of august. Just wait and see. This is all just rockstar making a big controversial hullaboo over themselves to build up hype. I bet they have the M rated version ready to go and will get it rated in a month or so just in time for people to swarm all over it to see what all this taboo bullshit crisis is about.[/quote]

I think we need a temporary forum for manhunt shit right now so i don't have to see it's name in every single cag forum I go to.
 
[quote name='Survivor Charlie']You misunderstand me, Mario. Of course I don't pin the heat on 'mature' games from the likes of Jack Turdblossom solely on Rockstar.

My point was Rockstar's games exist solely for controversey. Sure, the tech demo they released as Table Tennis for the 360 is an exception, but look at their lineup. Grand Theft Auto. Manhunt. Bully. These are not games for mature adults. These are games for immature people to do immature things. Kill hookers, shoot cops, steal cars. This is not a sign of maturity. I've worked at EBGames. You know who most of those games were bought for? Children. Bought by adults who didn't want to hear how bad a video game's content was. Typical was adult who said "It's just a fucking video game" when buying GTA San Andreas for their twelve year old, who often asked if this was the "Hot Coffee" version. I've actually had adults threaten me for refusing to sell the game to their child. "Why do I have to be here? It's just a fucking video game. If you ever tell my kid he can't buy a videogame again, we're going to have words."

And that's what Rockstar's function is. To create games that the immature and socially rejected will enjoy. I'm sick of people waving the whole "games for adults" crap in my face about GTA or Manhunt. Bullcrap. Like the tobacco industry, they are marketed to appeal to children under the guise of being for adults. And I call bullshit on Rockstar. They're the worst thing to happen to the video game industry in the last decade.[/quote]

Yeah, because it's not like GTA 3 wasn't an amazing game at the time which was the first virtual world game to be done effectively or anything. Also it's not like the GTA games are getting better with each game or anything. Seriously, denying how important GTA 3 because you have a vendetta against Rockstar would be as stupid as denying the impact of a movie like Halloween or The Texas Chainsaw MAssacre because you hate horror movies. Also I must of missed all the hookers you were killing in Bully.
 
[quote name='robin2099']Yeah, because it's not like GTA 3 wasn't an amazing game at the time which was the first virtual world game to be done effectively or anything. Also it's not like the GTA games are getting better with each game or anything. Seriously, denying how important GTA 3 because you have a vendetta against Rockstar would be as stupid as denying the impact of a movie like Halloween or The Texas Chainsaw MAssacre because you hate horror movies. Also I must of missed all the hookers you were killing in Bully.[/quote]

Don't kid yourself, MMOs have been doing the virtual world thing pretty well since the late 90s.
 
Yes, GTA popularized sadbox games. But it didn't create them. Just popuarlized them. If GTA hadn't done it, another game would have. It's absurd to say that the genre never would have been created otherwise. It had already been done. It just hadn't been popular yet.

Whoopie... sandbox games! Rockstar is the jenius1! Of course, the game had poor controls and bad graphics, but who cares? You can shoot hookers and cops and stuff!
 
[quote name='MarioColbert']There are a lot of interesting things regarding Hot Coffee mod. I'd spill the beans, but I don't want to sound like a dumbass, so I'm going to check the facts first. I'm certain nobody cares, but I suspect that the unlockers of hidden content are breaching their limited rights with the software they licences (not bought, if you bother to read the licence agreements in any of your videogame manuals). Until I have some time to get ahold of GTA software agreement (never bothered to own the game, because I yawn enough as it is). Just speculation for thought for now. :][/quote]
That was my first concern when the whole Hot Coffee thing went down, so I checked the manual of San Andreas and it specifically mentions that:

You agree not to:

Reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble, or otherwise modify the Software, in whole or in part.
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Manhunt 2 had multiple endings...

The final level you see depends on how you played the game - there are two completely different ones.

Without giving away too much of the surprise, if you play the way most gamers probably will - getting as many red executions and environmental kills as possible, wasting as many enemies as possible and trying out new weapons on the occasional tramp or other innocent - you’ll get the ‘dark’ final level and a slightly gloomy ending.

To lighten things up a little (not much, though) try playing in a more cowardly way - if you do executions, go for white ones, and leave innocents alive. The less you resemble a psychopathic killer who actually enjoys performing amateur surgery with a pair of pliers, the fewer points you’ll score in the end-of-level ratings and the more chance you’ll have of seeing a ‘positive’ ending.”
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After the censoring who knows if this will remain in the game.

LINK
 
[quote name='Survivor Charlie']Yes, GTA popularized sadbox games. But it didn't create them. Just popuarlized them. If GTA hadn't done it, another game would have. It's absurd to say that the genre never would have been created otherwise. It had already been done. It just hadn't been popular yet.

Whoopie... sandbox games! Rockstar is the jenius1! Of course, the game had poor controls and bad graphics, but who cares? You can shoot hookers and cops and stuff![/QUOTE]

That's pretty much my take on it as well. Yes, GTA3 had a huge impact. But for me that was a negative as I hate the genre so it just spawned a bunch of ripoffs and other types of sandbox games that I have no interest in playing.

Yes, I just skip them so it's not like I'm forced to play them. But that doesn't mean developers aren't working on these shitty games instead of potentially making something in a genre I like.
 
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