MLB 2010 Discussion Thread

[quote name='wildcpac']Laser Show? You mean baldie brother of a child molestor? I could have sworn Sox fans told me Baldie was better than Cano. Still waiting on that one.
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I don't think it's possible to deny Cano is a better offensive player. But if a ROY and an MVP didn't convince you Pedroia is good, nothing's going to.
 
Teixeira is striking out at the same rate he did last year and is walking more frequently. His BABIP is extremely low, at .241 (career: .304), and his HR/FB rate is at 11%, compared to his career rate of 18.4%.

His LD% is the same as last year.

He'll be at .280 by the end of the year, with 35+ HR.

There is no way Pelfrey will end the season in the top 5 for NL Cy Young. Lincecum, Halladay, Jimenez, Wainwright, Carpenter, Josh Johnson, Dan Haren, Jaime Garcia, Latos, and Matt Cain should all finish ahead of Pelfrey.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I don't think it's possible to deny Cano is a better offensive player. But if a ROY and an MVP didn't convince you Pedroia is good, nothing's going to.[/QUOTE]

2008 was a down year all across the board for MVP candidates. That's a fact. And there were at least 5 position players who put up better number than Pedroia in 2008.


Cano has already put up several seasons that flat out destroy Pedroia's peak of 2008.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']2008 was a down year all across the board for MVP candidates. That's a fact. And there were at least 5 position players who put up better number than Pedroia in 2008.


Cano has already put up several seasons that flat out destroy Pedroia's peak of 2008.[/QUOTE]

Are you literally unable to read? Or are you just such a hopelessly negative and myopic person that you can't even process when someone isn't disagreeing with you? The post of mine which you quoted said precisely in no uncertain terms that Cano is a better offensive player than Pedroia.

Pedroia being a good player and Cano being a good player aren't mutually exclusive. If you don't understand that, you're beyond hope.
 
[quote name='Jimbo Slice']I say we all chip in a few bucks and send wildcpac a camera, under the conditions that he video-tapes all future rants instead of posting them.[/QUOTE]


How did your Fillies do today? 9 runs given up by the bullpen 9th inning on. YIKES!


Marlins have had free Vuvuzella night. It is the most annoying thing ever. Yankees security actually confiscated one the other day.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Are you literally unable to read? Or are you just such a hopelessly negative and myopic person that you can't even process when someone isn't disagreeing with you? The post of mine which you quoted said precisely in no uncertain terms that Cano is a better offensive player than Pedroia.

Pedroia being a good player and Cano being a good player aren't mutually exclusive. If you don't understand that, you're beyond hope.[/QUOTE]


Baldie plays in an extreme hitters park and is only hitting .270. Cano would hit .500 playing at Fenway.


Controversy in the Marlins/Rays game. Marlins worked a leadoff walk in the bottom of the 9th in a tied game. The hitter was on deck but never entered the game in a previous inning. Umpires call him out for batting out of order.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']How did your Fillies do today? 9 runs given up by the bullpen 9th inning on. YIKES![/QUOTE]

I'm not going to kill myself or rant about it on the internet though. Nor am I going to start calling the other team cheaters, or come up with some corny nickname with no relevance, like the "Tins" or something. A loss is a loss. It is a 162 game season for a reason... not like this is October.

and thanks for proving my point, your post would have been so much better as a video.
 
Cano's a left handed hitter playing at Yankee Stadium... Doesn't take much to put on a laser show there.

Let me know what Cano's batting in October.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Baldie plays in an extreme hitters park and is only hitting .270. Cano would hit .500 playing at Fenway.
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Dude, Cano hits at Yankee Stadium, the best hitters park for LHH in the game. Cano is a good enough player without your third grade education needing to suggest he would hit .500 moving to a harder park to hit in for LHH.

Can I ask an honest question: Why are you such a miserable and negative person? Is it just the anonymity of the internet? You can't be like that in real life, right?
 
[quote name='bvharris'] person? Is it just the anonymity of the internet? You can't be like that in real life, right?[/QUOTE]

He's butthurt the Sox are catching up and he can't blame it on steroids.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']2008 was a down year all across the board for MVP candidates. That's a fact. And there were at least 5 position players who put up better number than Pedroia in 2008.


Cano has already put up several seasons that flat out destroy Pedroia's peak of 2008.[/QUOTE]

Outside of Grady Sizemore, there wasn't much of a claim for anyone other than Pedroia to be AL MVP in 2008. And Sizemore hit .268, so that negated his candidacy in about half of the voters' minds.

Pedroia has a higher WAR (16.8) than Cano (16.5) in 250 fewer career games, thanks to vastly superior defense (20.1 UZR career vs. -33.9), Pedroia has had two 5.0+ WAR seasons (2008 and 2009), Cano has not yet had one (but leads the majors in WAR this season - unless something drastic happens, he'll probably have 6.0+ war by season's end).

Career wOBA, wRC+:

Pedroia: .363, 120
Cano: .356, 119

Before this season, Cano had not put up a season better than Pedroia's best.
 
I was offered Carlos Lee and Ben Zobrist for Albert Pujols.

This guy has Evan Longoria, Adrian Gonzalez, CC Sabathia and not much else on his roster. I'm in first place in my league, and I'm beating this guy in H2H 9-0-1 (I'm punting saves, and his two closers are Qualls and Bell) this week.

lololololololololololol
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']Outside of Grady Sizemore, there wasn't much of a claim for anyone other than Pedroia to be AL MVP in 2008. And Sizemore hit .268, so that negated his candidacy in about half of the voters' minds.

Pedroia has a higher WAR (16.8) than Cano (16.5) in 250 fewer career games, thanks to vastly superior defense (20.1 UZR career vs. -33.9), Pedroia has had two 5.0+ WAR seasons (2008 and 2009), Cano has not yet had one (but leads the majors in WAR this season - unless something drastic happens, he'll probably have 6.0+ war by season's end).

Career wOBA, wRC+:

Pedroia: .363, 120
Cano: .356, 119

Before this season, Cano had not put up a season better than Pedroia's best.[/QUOTE]


Let me know when Cano gets to play in a little league park.

Let me know when Baldie hits 25 HR's, 200 Hits, 48 Doubles, 85 RBI's with a .320 batting average.

Child Molestor's brother highest OPS is .869 for any year. Playing in a little league park.


Cano has 3 seasons higher than that. While playing half of his games in a pitchers park instead of a little league park. Outside of 2008, I will take Cano's seasons every single year 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009 and 2010.

Cano would hit .500 in that joke of a stadium in Assachusetts. Cano would be hitting .400 for the year if Josh Beckshit didn't drill him in the knee because Beckshit couldn't handle getting his ass kicked by the Yankees earlier this season. You take your balding midget whose brother molests little children. I'll take the best second basemen in baseball who has the prettiest swing I have ever seen.


As far as 2008. Arod, Youk, Morneau, Miggy Cabrera, Carlos Quentin, Josh Hamilton, hell even Aubrey Huff had a better year than Dustie. People were just enamored because they have never seen a balding 25 year old midget who is able to hit a baseball. Joke's on them because they forgot to realize that Fenway was designed for 12 year olds. Which is what Dustie resembles outside of the fact that a 60 year old Hulk Hogan has more hair than Dustie. I wonder if Dustie lost all of his hair when he realized his brother touches little boys below the waist.


Come on Nerd who loves to post numbers. Tell us all the Ball Park Factor for Fenway compared to Yankee Stadium.


Park Factor for 2010 for Fenway is 107. Multi-Year is 106.

2007 it was 111. 2008 it was 105. Anything over 100 favors the hitters.


New Yankee Stadium. 2010 97, 2009 97

Old Yankee Stadium 2008 103,
2007 103
2006 97
2005 101
 
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[quote name='wildcpac']
Let me know when Baldie hits 25 HR's, 200 Hits, 48 Doubles, 85 RBI's with a .320 batting average.
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Except for 8 more home runs, that was essentially Pedroia's MVP line. The OPS for the season you're quoting from Cano was a whopping .003 higher than Pedroia's MVP season, hardly a statistical difference to hang your hat on. That's before we even bring defense into it, and as was pointed out at the top of this page the defensive difference between Pedroia and Cano is night and day.

I came in ready to acknowledge Cano was the better offensive player, but this ballpark stuff is ridiculous and I suspect you know that. (Maybe you don't). Pedroia has better home splits than away over the last three years. Guess what? So does Cano. So do most players on both teams.

You have an almost startling ability to make your own arguments weaker, which I suppose is page 1 in the troll handbook.

Oh and you can't call someone a "Nerd who loves to post numbers" and then go on to post LESS relevant numbers to a player's individual performance (like Ballpark Factor, which is useless to this discussion without the context of the individual hitters).
 
Controversy in the Marlins/Rays game. Marlins worked a leadoff walk in the bottom of the 9th in a tied game. The hitter was on deck but never entered the game in a previous inning. Umpires call him out for batting out of order.[/QUOTE]


That was a crazy game to watch. The vuvuzela's didn't help. I definately thought that the Marlins were going to win in the 11th.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']He does.[/QUOTE]


Really? Since when? New Yankee Stadium is a pitchers park. Sure it favors Left Hand hitters who are able to hook the ball to short rf but most times it goes foul and Cano never hits pop fly homeruns.


Fenway Park might as well be a little league field compared to YS.


Lets compare home vs away for OPS. Baldie is .885 at home and .760 away. Cano is .836 at home and .838 away. Baldie is well below average when he has to play in real parks. He is Ian Kinsler 2.0 .

Put Cano in that joke of a little league field called Fenway. I guarantee his home OPS would be pushing .950 easily. Cano's numbers already dwarf Baldies and Cano has been hitting in a pitchers park 81 games out of the year. Cano would destroy that little league field in Boston.



BVHarris, go get your facts straight please. Park Factor means nothing? Really now? Cano sucks on the road? Really?


Cano's OPS this year. 1.034 at home. 1.030 away. 34 games at home, 34 games away.


PARK FACTOR MEANS NOTHING. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Cano would be a .400 hitter easily playing at that little league dump in Boston. Garbage Dump hasn't seen a legit World Series since Pre World War 1. No wonder why the fans are such idiots. Having to root for a whole city filled with cheats. Roid Sox in 04 and 07. Celtics getting a KG gift from McHale in 2008. Bellicheat cheating in 3 Super Bowls and only winning by 3 points each time. Thank God my Giants killed that joke of a wannabe Dynasty. Poor Brady still hasn't gotten over the ass Kicking the Giants defense served to him. I am not going to even mention the Bruins. Biggest choke in all of sports blowing a 3-0 lead to a legit team. Thank god they have replaced the Yankees as the last team especially since the Yankees lost to 25 roiders on the Sox who were all shooting up needles in their ass.


Did Big Fattie figure out what happened? He only promised a year ago to find out the truth and give answers. Still waiting on that one. Looks like he is back on the "protein milkshakes". If Selig had any balls, he would suspend Big Fattie, put an asterisk for 04 and 07 and take away all of the Roid Sox wins this year.
 
[quote name='DomLando']So Yankee Stadium was first in Home runs last year and second this year and it's now a pitcher park?[/QUOTE]



Right, I forgot that Yankee Stadium is leading the league in runs scored. I forgot that Park Factor doesn't mean anything.

Yes the occasional ball hit to the right field pole might turn a double into a homerun. It doesn't lead to extra hits, doubles, etc.


Who the fuck brought a Mets fan into this discussion. Shouldn't you be at Church praying that your team doesn't have another post All Star Game collapse? What does a Mets fan know about baseball anyways? Other than the Mets stink in September and blow games that they should have won?
 
[quote name='wildcpac']

Did Big Fattie figure out what happened? He only promised a year ago to find out the truth and give answers. Still waiting on that one. Looks like he is back on the "protein milkshakes". If Selig had any balls, he would suspend Big Fattie, put an asterisk for 04 and 07 and take away all of the Roid Sox wins this year.[/QUOTE]

Dude, you make no sense. You're absolutely positive the Yankees last WS win was totally legit because of how they've cracked down with testing. But you're also positive the Sox are getting away with it this year? You're so full of shit, it's unbelievable.

If YOU had any balls, you'd admit there can be and probably are cheaters on EVERY team, even your precious Yankees. Or are we going to pretend that ARod, Clemens, Pettitte and Giambi were never on steroids?
 
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/2010.shtml


2010 New York Yankees Batting, Pitching, & Fielding Statistics
Franchise Encyclopedia: 2009

42-26, 1st place in AL East (Schedule and Results)
View League Standings and Leaders

Manager: Joe Girardi (42-26)
Scored 372 runs, Allowed 275 runs. Pythagorean W-L: 43-25

Ballpark: Yankee Stadium III · Attendance: 1,548,450 (1st of 14)
Park Factors Over 100 favors batters, under 100 favors pitchers.
multi-year: Batting - 97, Pitching - 96 · one-year: Batting - 97, Pitching - 96


http://www.baseball-reference.com/about/parkadjust.shtml

Go read about park factors. Get back to me after you do your homework. Then again, you root for a team that blows the biggest leads in September to miss out on the playoffs by 1 game. How many times have the Mets choked in September during the Yankees run of dominance?


1998 missed the playoffs by 1 game Lost the last 5 games of the season to miss the playoffs LOL
1999 Kenny Rogers walks in the winning run in the NLCS
2000 Gets their asses kicked by the Yankees
2006 Gets beat by Yadier Molina homerun. Beltran k's with the bat on his shoulder to end the NLCS
2007 Missed the playoffs by 1 game, blew a 7 game lead with 17 games to go in the season
2008 Missed the playoffs by 1 game. blew a 3.5 game lead with 17 games to go
2009 Flat OUT SUCK. 150 million payroll for 92 loses. Most dollars spent per loss than any team in baseball history.


I would comment on the other years but the Mets finished in 4th or last place. Only thing Mets fans know about Baseball is that their team sucks in September and October if they make it.
 
[quote name='opterasis']Dude, you make no sense. You're absolutely positive the Yankees last WS win was totally legit because of how they've cracked down with testing. But you're also positive the Sox are getting away with it this year? You're so full of shit, it's unbelievable.

If YOU had any balls, you'd admit there can be and probably are cheaters on EVERY team, even your precious Yankees. Or are we going to pretend that ARod, Clemens, Pettitte and Giambi were never on steroids?[/QUOTE]


Yankees had less cheats on their team compared to the Roid Sox. And the Yankee cheats didn't impact the games like the Roid Sox players did.


Nice try though.
 
Now back to legit baseball Talk. CC vs Johan should be a pitchers duel.

Gameday Lineups
NO. New York------------- New York
1. J. Reyes, SS----------- D. Jeter, SS
2. A. Pagan, CF----- N. Swisher, RF
3. D. Wright, 3B----- M. Teixeira, 1B
4. I. Davis, 1B------- A. Rodriguez, 3B
5. J. Bay, LF--------- R. Cano, 2B
6. R. Barajas, C----- J. Posada, DH
7. F. Tatis, DH------ C. Granderson, CF
8. J. Francoeur, RF -------F. Cervelli, C
9. R. Tejada, 2B----- B. Gardner, LF
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Yankees had less cheats on their team compared to the Roid Sox. And the Yankee cheats didn't impact the games like the Roid Sox players did.


Nice try though.[/QUOTE]

Right. According to you, 25 players were cheating. Funny, that's the first I've heard of this. Got a complete list of CONFIRMED players on the Sox that cheated during the 04 and 07 seasons? Keep in mind I said confirmed, not your bat shit crazy conspiracy theory that absolutely everyone in the state of Mass is a dirty cheater other than the Bruins.

And it sounds like you're saying some cheating is totally acceptable, as long as it's within your magical imaginary limits of what the Yankees did. Cheating and losing = Okay, but cheating and winning = bad? I'm I understanding you correctly?
 
Poor defense by the Mets leads to a Doucheira Grand Slam.


Yankees can beat up on Johan, Halladay and Pelfrey but suck against Moyer, Kendrick and some Japanese Rookie.


GO FIGURE!
 
This is the 2010 MLB thread. Can we discuss current games and not pissing matches about past seasons?

On that front, Braves gave Kawakami 4 runs in the first inning. He gave 2 back in the second.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']This is the 2010 MLB thread. Can we discuss current games and not pissing matches about past seasons?

On that front, Braves gave Kawakami 4 runs in the first inning. He gave 2 back in the second.[/QUOTE]


No offense, but how in the World is Kawakami a starting pitcher in baseball? Especially on a team that is in first place? 0-9 with a 4.42 era. I think his era dropped a full run in the past month but he still sucks.
 
His run support is 2.9 per start, think they said it was 3rd lowest in MLB (or in the NL, not sure which).

He's had several good starts where he just didn't get runs, which is why he's still starting. But several bad starts as well, hence the ERA over 4.
 
Just watched the Braves game. Kawakami got knocked out after 2 innings, 5 earned runs, ton of hits against the Royals. He has to be one of the worst starting pitchers in baseball.
 
Before today's start, Kawakami's ERA, FIP and xFIP were almost exactly the same as Burnett's.

He's pretty much your average middle to end of the rotation MLB starter.

Oh, and you should know that Yankee Stadium gobbles up right handed hitters, not left-handed hitters.

And from 2007-2009 Fenway had a 95 HR rating for righties and an 85 HR rating for lefties. Fenway gives up doubles and triples and eats HR, Yankee Stadium eats doubles and triples and gives up HR.
 
I said earlier in the year I was worried about Santana and though he has pitched well recently, he just seems to not have Santana stuff. He puts way to many guys on base and though he has been able to get out of it, he can't keep living on the edge. He has let up 3 Grand Slams this year and has let up 5 in his career. I fear that Santana may be on the back end of his career and the Mets may be paying #1 starter money for a guy who looks like more of a 2 or 3 guy. What else is new though with Minaya at the helm.
 
Yes, lets start comparing Burnett who pitches in the AL East to a NL East pitcher. I forgot that Burnett gets to face the pitcher 3 times a game, weak middle infielders several times a game, crappy hitting catchers, etc etc etc. My BAD!
 
[quote name='DomLando']I said earlier in the year I was worried about Santana and though he has pitched well recently, he just seems to not have Santana stuff. He puts way to many guys on base and though he has been able to get out of it, he can't keep living on the edge. He has let up 3 Grand Slams this year and has let up 5 in his career. I fear that Santana may be on the back end of his career and the Mets may be paying #1 starter money for a guy who looks like more of a 2 or 3 guy. What else is new though with Minaya at the helm.[/QUOTE]

Be thankful that the Mets didn't give up anything for him. Here is my problem with Santana, he is a 6 inning pitcher. He has lost the ability to strike people out and it just leads him to running the pitch count up for each at bat. He can still get outs but it's taking him an extra 2-3 pitches an at bat. That adds up over the course of a game. Instead of going 7-8 strong. He is going 5-6 strong.


Pagan seems hit or miss in Centerfield. He will make a great catch and follow it up being made to look silly. Cervelli's triple today and Cano's double yesterday.
 
Catchers are crappy across the board, that's not exclusive to the NL. Same with weak middle infielders. NL East has a few of the absolute best middle infielders in the game, by the way. We're not talking about the NL Central or NL West here.

My point was that Kawakami is an average pitcher, not that he's as good as Burnett.

Pagan's a plus outfielder. When Beltran returns, Failcoeur should be used as the 4th OF.

Santana's xFIP has fallen every year since 2004. K/9 rate is now a full K below league average.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']Catchers are crappy across the board, that's not exclusive to the NL. Same with weak middle infielders. NL East has a few of the absolute best middle infielders in the game, by the way. We're not talking about the NL Central or NL West here.

My point was that Kawakami is an average pitcher, not that he's as good as Burnett.[/QUOTE]


You compared a pitcher who pitches in the AL East to a pitcher in the NL East. Let me know when AJ gets to face lighter hitting teams, the pitcher and no more DH. Until then, stop comparing the two.
 
Burnett, xFIP in NL East:

2002: 3.75
2003: injury
2004: 3.43
2005: 3.20

AL East:

2006: 3.64
2007: 3.60
2008: 3.55

Signs with Yankees:

2009: 4.29
2010: 4.60

His NL East/AL East numbers are consistent.

Burnett's issue last season was a drop in strikeouts and a rise in walks; he's stopped walking as many batters this season, but his K/9 is down another two K/9 from last season, and is now 3 below his 07/08 seasons. His performance was pretty consistent from Florida to Toronto. His velocity is down this season, he may have a mechanical issue or a looming injury, who knows.

Also, Burnett (prior to this season) has been vastly superior in comparison to Kawakami - you won't find anyone willing to debate that. To give you a couple of other comparisons, Kawakami has very similar peripherals in comparison to Mike Pelfrey, and his xFIP is actually lower than Matt Cain's. The Mets and Giants are good and great defensively, and both have pitcher-friendly parks. Atlanta has neither of those.
 
Can people just stop arguing with wildcpac? Jesus Christ it drags this thread down. He's not ever going to agree with you or admit that you're right, so what's the point? He has his own perception of how things are, goes through a huge range of emotions, and contradicts himself many times...sometimes on the same night (Yankees are pathetic/no other team is better than the Yankees). Stop trying to reason with him and just enjoy the show. Damn.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Can people just stop arguing with wildcpac? Jesus Christ it drags this thread down. He's not ever going to agree with you or admit that you're right, so what's the point? He has his own perception of how things are, goes through a huge range of emotions, and contradicts himself many times...sometimes on the same night (Yankees are pathetic/no other team is better than the Yankees). Stop trying to reason with him and just enjoy the show. Damn.[/QUOTE]


hahahahahaha. Hook line and sinker. Pretty funny watching Feeding go through all of these numbers and bs to prove a point when I do not pay attention.


Yankees are finally alone in first place. Interesting to see if the Sox remain red hot and get to first place as well. Rays are free falling.

I was a little surprised to see that Pavano shut down the Fillies offense. Halladay deserves 10000 times better than what he is getting for run support.

Braves and the Royals are in a 5-5 tie. I Predict another walkoff for the Braves who are running away with the NL East right now.
 
Maul, how good is this Kimbrel kid? Just got the Braves out of a bases loaded, no outs jam without giving up a run. 2 k's and a pop up.
 
Wow, great pitching by Kimbrel to get the Braves out of a bases loaded and nobody out jam in top of 8th.

Two strikeouts and an infield pop up.
 
I'm going to counter offer with Pujols/Rolen/Austin Jackson for Adrian Gonzalez/Longoria. It's a keeper league. My infield in a 12 team league would then be AGo/Pedroia/Tulo/Longoria. I should probably just offer Pujols/Rolen to troll since he lowballed with that insane Lee/Zobrist for Pujols offer.
 
Mets finally send Meijia down to the Minors. Only about 2 and a half months late on that one.


New Ballpark? Moving?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37814752

Quote:
TAMPA - Tampa Bay Rays owner Stuart Sternberg will make "an important announcement regarding the future of the Rays franchise" Monday afternoon, according to the team.
The team issued a brief press release this afternoon, shortly after the Rays dropped another game to the Florida Marlins. The Rays have scheduled a press conference for 12:15 p.m. at Tropicana Field Monday, but team officials declined to say what kind of announcement Sternberg would be making.
 
little too late on the meijia move. that should have been done with Spring Training.

I thought Santana did ok but have no clue why he thew inside to Tex when Tex had no chance hitting a low outside pitch. terrible pitch selection on Santana's part..but this game could have been worse. If we took 2 outta 3 at yankee stadium..i would be euphoric but taking 1 im ok with. They have the best record in baseball so i couldnt see them losing in their house.

Im not too worried about Santana yet. Sure his numbers are down but if he can give us 6-7 good innings im happy with it. Jason Bay is the one im worried about. 4 homers 27 RBIS. he is on pace to double those numbers. That is terrible for the money we are paying him. I can understand the yankee fan in worrying about Tex because i have the same reservations with Bay. I hope he heats it up in the second half or potential bust has been written all over him.

At least the Phillies lost today so they dont gain but the Braves are pulling away. Not good but there is still a ton of baseball left.
 
The Sox just keep on winning. And Tampa's woes continue.. I don't know for sure whether the Red Sox or Yankees will win the AL East, but I'm becoming increasingly confident that the Rays are going to keep losing, so there should be room in the playoffs for both again.
 
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