MLB (Baseball) Playoffs Thread

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[quote name='ryanbph']I find it interesting that most pro teams want the state/city to help pay for new stadiums. Here in MA, they don't chip in at all. When the patriots built the new stadium a couple years back, it was fully funded by the teams owner. He is now making a shit load of money, as the team is popular and he owns everything about them. Why would a state/city want to pay to have a pro team stay? If you own a pro team, you are loaded, cough up some money and invest in your team.[/QUOTE]


the san fransisco giants ownership funded the stadium themselves, and got no money at all from the city or state.

As for oakland, their city economy is still reeling from the 1989 earthquake. I was totally shocked that they paid Al Davis to bring back oakland and really bent over backwards for the raiders.

I am actually glad to see oakland taking steps to getting a new stadium in fremont- for the simple reason: they are keeping the team in the bay area, and the current stadium has turned into a good stadium for football, but is not really a good multipurpose stadium anymore. This year they put a tarp over the upper deck seats and would not sell tickets to the upper deck. this is a MUCH better option than building a stadium in portland or vegas and moving the tam there.
 
for those pro zito people...I don't know if this guys numbers are correct, I had a hard time finding this info without paying for membership to sites like baseball prospectus

zito's run support this year was 4.54 which was 27th in the AL. His run support From 2001-2005, Zito's RS numbers are: 5.67, 6.79, 4.62, 5.07, 5.16. Those are great numbers. Just because he may end up on a team with offense (yanks, redsox, mets) that doesn't always mean that his team will score runs when he pitches. Tim wakefields run support is usually in the bottom half every year, but someone like matt clement or josh beckett(in boston) have been in the top 20. You really can't predict if you are going to be that guy that your club doesn't whack the shit out of the ball.


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[quote name='ryanbph']for those pro zito people...I don't know if this guys numbers are correct, I had a hard time finding this info without paying for membership to sites like baseball prospectus

zito's run support this year was 4.54 which was 27th in the AL. His run support From 2001-2005, Zito's RS numbers are: 5.67, 6.79, 4.62, 5.07, 5.16. Those are great numbers. Just because he may end up on a team with offense (yanks, redsox, mets) that doesn't always mean that his team will score runs when he pitches. Tim wakefields run support is usually in the bottom half every year, but someone like matt clement or josh beckett(in boston) have been in the top 20. You really can't predict if you are going to be that guy that your club doesn't whack the shit out of the ball.


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Aren't we done talking about Zito haha. YOu gave so many stats. I get your point though. Good references and posts.
 
yeah sorry we were done, I heard on weei, boston sports radio, talk about the run support randy johnson, wang, mussina, josh beckett, and tim wakefield got this year. I remebered reading someone say that zitto would be better if he had offense supporting him. So I tried to look it up and was suprised at his run support.

Looks like a tiger/ and imo a mets worldseries. The tigers have the better pitching, which ususally helps teams in oct. But with zumya possibly hurt, I wonder how effective jones will be without a very hard throwing guy in the 8th. The mets have better offense, and from what I have read better disciplined hitters. It should be an interestng series, as both teams have flaws.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']But with zumya possibly hurt, I wonder how effective jones will be without a very hard throwing guy in the 8th.[/QUOTE]

Zumaya gets all the attention, but Rodney hits high 90's with ease. He's been really impressive these last couple games.
 
[quote name='TC']Zumaya gets all the attention, but Rodney hits high 90's with ease. He's been really impressive these last couple games.[/quote]Zumaya's just got some tendonitis, looks like. I would be surprised if he's not able to pitch in the WS. Casey should be back too, even though we haven't missed his bat, it will put the infield back together.
 
looks like we ain't winning this one...at least maybe this will be Wagner's bad game and he will be good for the rest of the series

still 7 to go


me=not worried yet;)
 
[quote name='Jedi1979']looks like we ain't winning this one...at least maybe this will be Wagner's bad game and he will be good for the rest of the series

still 7 to go


me=not worried yet;)[/quote]

It wasn't even because of Carpenter either. Oh well... looking forward to next game.
 
[quote name='encendido5']It wasn't even because of Carpenter either. Oh well... looking forward to next game.[/QUOTE]

yeah we got carpenter really good tonight. just blame it on the poor pitching tonight. Maine was sketchy as usual and they got our bullpen when it countied for them. hats off to the cards for the good game. now im worried about the trip in to Bush...i hope trachsel and perez can have a good game or else we are finished.
 
did i hear the espn analyst correctly, the mets made just over 200 pitches yesterday. That will not be good for the bullpen going forward.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']did i hear the espn analyst correctly, the mets made just over 200 pitches yesterday. That will not be good for the bullpen going forward.[/quote]Yeah, the bullpen threw 120+ pitches.
 
[quote name='botticus']Yeah, the bullpen threw 120+ pitches.[/QUOTE]
Wagner threw a lot so did heliman and bradford. Felicano was used for an out and mota got batted around. I dont think it will affect the bullpen at all though becasue they have been worked a lot all year. Only time will tell.
 
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w00t.
 
I Just heard that Fox Sports fired Steve Lyons for inappropriate comments directed at Lou Pinnella during yesterday's game in Detroit. Anyone know what it was he said that got him fired?
 
Why do the NL pitchers bat? I honestly don't follow baseball much. I am from Detroit and growing up with horrible season after horrible season, Igave up on the Tigers, therefore I am not too familiar with all the ins and outs of the game. Thanks in advance.
 
[quote name='Kendal']Why do the NL pitchers bat? I honestly don't follow baseball much. I am from Detroit and growing up with horrible season after horrible season, Igave up on the Tigers, therefore I am not too familiar with all the ins and outs of the game. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

i dunno really..it sucks for us because our pitchers get less rest than the AL pitchers do.

well looks like the mets blew another one. i was worried since gm2 and this makes it much worse. hats off to the Tigs first bid in the WS since i dont know when.....but they look like to be the front runners to win the whole thing......
 
Thanks Evanft. I really like the DH rule I guess. There is no way in hell could Kenny Rogers play now if he had to bat and pitch. Well I doubt he would be throwing effectively for 7+ innings. All I know is, this season has been one hell of a ride for Detroit and it's fans.
 
The NL pitchers bat because that was how it always was. It adds a huge layer of strategy and depth to the game. Most long time baseball fans want the MLB to get rid of the DH rule.
 
[quote name='Kendal']Thanks Evanft. I really like the DH rule I guess. There is no way in hell could Kenny Rogers play now if he had to bat and pitch. Well I doubt he would be throwing effectively for 7+ innings. All I know is, this season has been one hell of a ride for Detroit and it's fans.[/QUOTE]
glavine isn't a spring chicken, he is up there in age and still bats and pitches effectively. Lets be honest, pitchers arm might get sore, but I have very rarely seen a pitcher winded after an inn on the mound.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']glavine isn't a spring chicken, he is up there in age and still bats and pitches effectively. Lets be honest, pitchers arm might get sore, but I have very rarely seen a pitcher winded after an inn on the mound.[/QUOTE]
I don't think batting at all effects pitchers. Like you said glavine bats and pitches effectively. But on the topic of pitchers being winded they are usually in the best shape out of the team "endurance" wise. Usually pitches focus on of course pitching and all endurance activties in the off season, spring training etc. Thats usually why they would not get winded. But I see what your saying. Anyway if Rogers was in the NL the hitting would not affect him at all. A lot of pitchers take pride when they come up to bat. Only a few get up there and look like fools...example Pedro.
 
[quote name='Kendal']Why do the NL pitchers bat? I honestly don't follow baseball much. I am from Detroit and growing up with horrible season after horrible season, Igave up on the Tigers, therefore I am not too familiar with all the ins and outs of the game. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
because theyre not pussies
 
[quote name='evanft']I think the DH rule is fantastic. Making pitchers hit is fucking stupid and essentially adds an easy out to the lineup.[/quote]

While I am for the DH rule, having pitchers bat is ok.

Lets say your pitcher has been lights out all night, but the score is tied and its the bottom of the 8th and 1 out with runners on 1st and 3rd with the pitcher up to bat. Do you keep the pitcher in and hope he doesn't ground into an inning ending double play? Or do you bring in a pinch hitter for him to try and take the lead and hope the bullpen can be as effective?
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']While I am for the DH rule, having pitchers bat is ok.

Lets say your pitcher has been lights out all night, but the score is tied and its the bottom of the 8th and 1 out with runners on 1st and 3rd with the pitcher up to bat. Do you keep the pitcher in and hope he doesn't ground into an inning ending double play? Or do you bring in a pinch hitter for him to try and take the lead and hope the bullpen can be as effective?[/QUOTE]
Exactly which adds an extra layer of startegy to the game. That's why a lot of people says it is easier to manage the AL. If you look at the NL and AL it is diffrent baseball. Teams are built diffrently. I am totally for taking the DH out of the game. I think Ortiz, Thomas, whoever should have to play the field not just bat. And the pitcher is not always an easy out. Suppan last night was 1 for 1 with a HR and 2 sac bunts. Some pitchers are good all around baseball players.
 
One way to tell you that pitchers at bat is no longer viable: Babe Ruth was a pitcher.

In recent history, players are too specialized. Pitchers used to pitch 9 innings, used to hit well, etc. Now pitchers throw 6-7 innings, most pitchers are developed to pitch 1-3 innings tops. Now, as said, 90% of pitchers have zero skill at the plate, and I think that's the main reason the DH rule was created.

The "added strategy" is simply a result of pitchers no longer attempting to learn how to bat after high school.
 
[quote name='botticus']One way to tell you that pitchers at bat is no longer viable: Babe Ruth was a pitcher.

In recent history, players are too specialized. Pitchers used to pitch 9 innings, used to hit well, etc. Now pitchers throw 6-7 innings, most pitchers are developed to pitch 1-3 innings tops. Now, as said, 90% of pitchers have zero skill at the plate, and I think that's the main reason the DH rule was created.

The "added strategy" is simply a result of pitchers no longer attempting to learn how to bat after high school.[/quote]

Quite a bit of the younger crop of pitchers, were actually position players through atleast high school, and possibly some college level as well. That is until they rounded into a single area.

Pitchers like Pedro just make me disgusted when they come up to the plate and don't really try to hit the ball, especially in the WS.

Then you have Dontrell Willis, jumps out; sure there are others, who actually attempt to look good at the plate and do so.
 
[quote name='encendido5']Definitely need this win. They are looking good now though, let's hope we can keep it up.[/quote]

Well, a 6 run inning will go a long way too.
 
The DH rule needs to go. It's a completely different game in the NL and it's way better. More strategy, lower scoring games, etc.
 
Looks like the Mets are going to win this won. They needed a game like this. Delgado right now if they win the series is the MVP.
 
[quote name='DomLando']Looks like the Mets are going to win this won. They needed a game like this. Delgado right now if they win the series is the MVP.[/QUOTE]

yeah seriously...this shifts the momentum right back to us and its back to queens. where hopefully glavine can take em out and we get game 5. yeah either delgado or glavine if he gets another shut out victory. even beltran deserves a nod because if it wasnt for him we wouldnt have taken game one and he went 3 for 3 today. this is going to be really interesting now. they tagger out pen and then we tagged their pen. next game is going to be HUGE!
 
we dont come back to NY till game 6 and game 7...hopefully the momentum is now on our side...we had our little 2 game losing streak and now we can win 7 in a row;)
 
I don't know if the rain is a good or a bad thing. On one hand, we lose the momentum we had going, but on the other hand, Glavine gets some much needed rest.
 
[quote name='encendido5']I don't know if the rain is a good or a bad thing. On one hand, we lose the momentum we had going, but on the other hand, Glavine gets some much needed rest.[/QUOTE]
I think it's good for the Mets. Gives Glavine and the pen more rest. I dont think it kills the momentum either. We will see. I should be going to Game 6 and if there is a 7 that too. That should be sweet.
 
[quote name='DomLando']I think it's good for the Mets. Gives Glavine and the pen more rest. I dont think it kills the momentum either. We will see. I should be going to Game 6 and if there is a 7 that too. That should be sweet.[/QUOTE]

hmm sorry my dumb ass thought we got back to queens for game 5. well we got weaver again so as long as we can keep it close for 5 innings we can win this one. another plus to this is that we get carpenter again at home. he sucks away and as long as maine doesnt blow up.
 
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