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If the Tigers take the next 4: :bow:

But I was thinking the Tigers would sweep their home games and the Cards may win 1 or 2 at home, but I still think the split (at least) is significant
 
I didn't watch the game, but I can't even read the follow up article without thinking about how that could've been the Mets :cry:
 
[quote name='thamaster24']If the Tigers take the next 4: :bow:

But I was thinking the Tigers would sweep their home games and the Cards may win 1 or 2 at home, but I still think the split (at least) is significant[/quote]I think the "home field advantage" in baseball is something like 57%. It's really irrelevant.
 
actually baseball playoffs are down a lot so far this offseason. More so then last year, and they were down last year.


as for pedro and what was talked about a couple pages ago...he didn't help you get beltran, it is your gm. He is very outspoken on wanting an all domincan team. Toss in a huge contract it really wasn't too hard to sign beltran. Delgado come over via a trade iirc, and so pedro had nothing to do with that. Yes he has a swagger, that can spread in the clubhouse. But he is also a pain for a ballclub to have to deal with, and the amount you paid him you should expect better then a 28 - 26 record. Toss in the fact he is missing at least 1/2 of next season, and who knows how he will pitch when he comes back.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']actually baseball playoffs are down a lot so far this offseason. More so then last year, and they were down last year.


as for pedro and what was talked about a couple pages ago...he didn't help you get beltran, it is your gm. He is very outspoken on wanting an all domincan team. Toss in a huge contract it really wasn't too hard to sign beltran. Delgado come over via a trade iirc, and so pedro had nothing to do with that. Yes he has a swagger, that can spread in the clubhouse. But he is also a pain for a ballclub to have to deal with, and the amount you paid him you should expect better then a 28 - 26 record. Toss in the fact he is missing at least 1/2 of next season, and who knows how he will pitch when he comes back.[/QUOTE]

trust me i knew what we were going to deal with him. i thought he would be better than a 28-26 record. i dont think he will be sorely missed next season though. if the off season goes right and we get a starter or two and if the youngins like maine,pelfry, and bannister stay healthy and be consistent. i think the mets have nothing to worry about. pedro may be that good..but he is old and nearly decrepid. i know this is coming from a met fan but cmon guys lets face it, pedro hasnt been in top form for us at all...only when he started his career with us..he was still the dominating pitcher we knew..now he is damaged goods. beltran was brought over for the 117 million dollars he is making....the whole dominican was a plus for him. thats obvious. i think pedro just made it easier for those guys to transistion to a big club.
 
These playoffs have been lacking, and I had the Cards in 6 in that "Who will win the World Series"

And more so because i'm tired of these Tiger Bandwagoners.
 
About the comment of the Mets GM wanting an all Dominican team....Beltran is Puerto Rican so that wouldn't of helped Beltran. Anyway last night the Cardnials shocked me. They played great baseball. Reyes pitched a good game. I still think the Tigers will win in 6. I think the layoff hurt the team more than anything. I'm rooting for the Cards though after they took out the Mets.
 
[quote name='DomLando']About the comment of the Mets GM wanting an all Dominican team....Beltran is Puerto Rican so that wouldn't of helped Beltran. Anyway last night the Cardnials shocked me. They played great baseball. Reyes pitched a good game. I still think the Tigers will win in 6. I think the layoff hurt the team more than anything. I'm rooting for the Cards though after they took out the Mets.[/QUOTE]

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2085133&postcount=603

:D
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']These playoffs have been lacking, and I had the Cards in 6 in that "Who will win the World Series"

And more so because i'm tired of these Tiger Bandwagoners.[/quote]There are Tigers Bandwagoners?
 
Heh, apparently it's true that no one cares about this World Series. That's unfortunate. Doozy of a game going on behind another stellar pitching performance by Rogers.
 
Rogers with another incredible game. I think friggin Jonesy was trying to give half of Detroit a heart attack.
 
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Either he ran out of toilet paper or he looked for an unfair advantage.

That said, he got rid of it after the first inning so I'm not insinuating that that's the reason he shut us down.
 
I really hope people don't bitch about Rogers hand....blah blah blah....it was 1 inning no matter what it was. Maybe he shit and ran out of TP or cannot wipe....who knows.

Anyways, it was a GREAT pitching performance....he could set the playoff record if there is a Game6 for scoreless innings.

Well, onto game 3.
 
[quote name='WinnieThePujols']

Either he ran out of toilet paper or he looked for an unfair advantage.

That said, he got rid of it after the first inning so I'm not insinuating that that's the reason he shut us down.[/QUOTE]

It could be dirt, like he said. But, it's been there for every game. Whatever it is, it's not the reason he's been pitching so well, as evidenced by what happened last night.
 
How do you go from one pitch away from winning the game and shutting out the Cards, to loading the bases and scaring the shit out of me?
 
[quote name='Kendal']How do you go from one pitch away from winning the game and shutting out the Cards, to loading the bases and scaring the shit out of me?[/quote]

It's Todd Jones. Nuff said.
 
Wait a minute...Rogers doesn't throw hard, right? He's more of a curve/changeup/breaking ball pitcher, so how would pine tear help him? Don't you want the ball to easily slide off your hand when you throw like that?
 
[quote name='evanft']Wait a minute...Rogers doesn't throw hard, right? He's more of a curve/changeup/breaking ball pitcher, so how would pine tear help him? Don't you want the ball to easily slide off your hand when you throw like that?[/quote]More spin.

This will be an amusing controversy that will just have to end now, since there's nothing to prove anything one way or the other. On to Game 3!
 
[quote name='botticus']More spin.

This will be an amusing controversy that will just have to end now, since there's nothing to prove anything one way or the other. On to Game 3![/QUOTE]


It's obvious that he cheated, but nothing can be done about it. From the way it sounds, most pitchers cheat as well, which is why LaRussa didn't make a stink. I just like the Detroit fans I know who are denying it. If you believe that was a clump of dirt, then you believe that Bond's is clean and that players are really accidentally taking steroids. It remind's me of how willing everyone was to forgive Sosa for using a corked bat (it's so obvious it must be an accident)
 
It was ONE DAMN INNING. Yes, maybe it happened in the ALCS also, but it was only 1 inning in the WS. No one really knows what it was on his hand though.....
 
[quote name='starman9000']It's obvious that he cheated, but nothing can be done about it. From the way it sounds, most pitchers cheat as well, which is why LaRussa didn't make a stink. I just like the Detroit fans I know who are denying it. If you believe that was a clump of dirt, then you believe that Bond's is clean and that players are really accidentally taking steroids. It remind's me of how willing everyone was to forgive Sosa for using a corked bat (it's so obvious it must be an accident)[/quote]

:roll:
 
[quote name='botticus']
This will be an amusing controversy that will just have to end now, since there's nothing to prove anything one way or the other. On to Game 3![/quote]Hey, look what that guy said!
 
[quote name='botticus']Hey, look what that guy said![/QUOTE]


C'mon, it's a fun talker.

But yeah, I'm looking forward for tonight's game (moreso because I just got my first big HDTV and watching sports on that is just fun). I don't think the 'scandal' is really turning anyone off of the series, maybe it will actuall draw a few more people in.

I'm glad the game tonight is in St. Louis instead of some other town. They seem to have a pretty good set of fans, so I don't think there will be too much hub-bub about it from the crowd.
 
[quote name='starman9000']C'mon, it's a fun talker.

But yeah, I'm looking forward for tonight's game (moreso because I just got my first big HDTV and watching sports on that is just fun). I don't think the 'scandal' is really turning anyone off of the series, maybe it will actuall draw a few more people in.

I'm glad the game tonight is in St. Louis instead of some other town. They seem to have a pretty good set of fans, so I don't think there will be too much hub-bub about it from the crowd.[/quote]
We just make T-shirts about it:
http://www.bowlingshirt.com/gocards/?productid=1852
 
while he only had a clump for 1 inning, you still saw a stain on his hand, that looked moist. It can effect the speed of the pitch, as the ball can be extended on the fingers, allowing for a better snap of the ball. IE, a offspeed pitch is usually tucked in between the thumb and forefinger. I can't imagine you would need much to get you threw a game. That being said, imo, it is done a lot by the players. Most are stupid enough to have it so obvious.

The only person at fault here is tony larussa. Unlike other pitchers, that hide the shit a hell of a lot better, if the substance was pine tar, and it was seen by the st louis bench, larussa should of dressed him down on the mound. It would have accomplished 2 things. First if it was an illegal substance, ie pine tar, it would have gotten rid of the best pitcher in baseball currently in the playoffs in the first ip of game 2. It may have led to them being up 2 - 0, and it would prevent kenny from pitching again. If it wasn't an illegal substance, yes larussa could have looked like a jerk, but he would have shaken up kenny rogers, in the middle of the game. Either way, it would have been somewhat positive for the cardinals. The biggest problem I have with this, is the way tony is acting. He says he doesn't want to make a big deal about it, but yet talks about it for 10min. He said he didn't want to interupt the game, yet he went out and had the umps do his dirty work. He is trying to have it both ways. IMO, he should have gone to the mound with the umps. I personally don't have a problem with pine tar, as allegedly it is wildly used. (same way I feel about steroids, if 3/4th the league is doing it, who care...made up number there) but if a player, rogers, is that fucking stupid to have it so noticable then tony should have stuck up for his players, the organization and there fans.
 
good news for baseball, the numbers for game 2 were up a lot over the alcs/nlcs and first ws game

up to 16.6 million....not breaking any records, but it is competitive with last years numbers
 
[quote name='ryanbph']good news for baseball, the numbers for game 2 were up a lot over the alcs/nlcs and first ws game

up to 16.6 million....not breaking any records, but it is competitive with last years numbers[/QUOTE]
That's good to hear. I did not think this WS would get great ratings but that is decent.
 
[quote name='starman9000']It's obvious that he cheated, but nothing can be done about it. From the way it sounds, most pitchers cheat as well, which is why LaRussa didn't make a stink. I just like the Detroit fans I know who are denying it. If you believe that was a clump of dirt, then you believe that Bond's is clean and that players are really accidentally taking steroids. It remind's me of how willing everyone was to forgive Sosa for using a corked bat (it's so obvious it must be an accident)[/quote]

Yeah, because after it was gone Kenny Rogers totally sucked? Quit bitching you pussy. I hope there is no game 6 and the Tigers celebrate at Busch stadium and watch all the dejected Cards fans cry, just like you are doing right now. Buck up, cheating is part of any sport. Get used to it, life isn't fair.
 
[quote name='Kendal']Yeah, because after it was gone Kenny Rogers totally sucked? Quit bitching you pussy. I hope there is no game 6 and the Tigers celebrate at Busch stadium and watch all the dejected Cards fans cry, just like you are doing right now. Buck up, cheating is part of any sport. Get used to it, life isn't fair.[/QUOTE]
it wasn't totally gone...pine tar is a sticky substance, he doesn't need a clump of it for it to work....as mentioned in my earlier post I really don't have a problem with pitchers using it anyways. David Wells allesdly uses suntan lotion to get a better grip on the ball. He had it heavily on his arms. He had an excuse, as in it is sunny out I put on sun tan lotion. Kenny just was blatant about it.

The other thing that hasn't been talked about is where the fuck is bud selig. No comment from the commish's office. They try to avoid any complicated issues, imo it is time for a new commish
 
[quote name='ryanbph']it wasn't totally gone...pine tar is a sticky substance, he doesn't need a clump of it for it to work....as mentioned in my earlier post I really don't have a problem with pitchers using it anyways. David Wells allesdly uses suntan lotion to get a better grip on the ball. He had it heavily on his arms. He had an excuse, as in it is sunny out I put on sun tan lotion. Kenny just was blatant about it.

The other thing that hasn't been talked about is where the fuck is bud selig. No comment from the commish's office. They try to avoid any complicated issues, imo it is time for a new commish[/QUOTE]
I def agree its time for a new commish. But like you said it's really done by most pitchers so what should Selig say? There is no proof that he cheated so what should they do?
 
[quote name='ryanbph']The other thing that hasn't been talked about is where the fuck is bud selig. No comment from the commish's office. They try to avoid any complicated issues, imo it is time for a new commish[/quote]

When did he take over? I haven't been much of a fan of baseball, considering my team hasn't had a winning season since 1994, but I remember when BS took over, I think. I have heard lots of great(SAR-fuckING-CASM) about Bud.

Also, if you watch how Rogers throws, how would the tar on his lower hand help spin the ball once it was gone? He throws really high up and usually with forefinger and thumb, away from the "clump of dirt". I can't imagine if it was gone, it really wouldn't help, would it? I mean, I don't think it would help that much once it was gone. Even if it was a little sticky afterward.
 
He should say that the umps did there job/ say he will look at tapes/make a public statement denying foul play, say something. Up here in boston on sports talk it is a very popular discussion. You have those who deny it, those he say he probably cheated and everyone does so who cares, and those who think that he should be suspended. I know the boston sports market isn't like the majority of america, espically with baseball. But the fox broadcast focused heavily on it. You would think the commish would want to get out in front of this fucking bus. Maybe he is hoping that it will improve on the ratings, as americains will want to tune in to see if he is cheating. They way it has been handled by mlb as a whole has been horrible. You have kenny saying there was dirt, saying that he removed it on his own, the umps asked him to remove, and then back to he removed it on his own. And the umps, and managers messages are just as fucked up.
 
[quote name='Kendal']

Also, if you watch how Rogers throws, how would the tar on his lower hand help spin the ball once it was gone? He throws really high up and usually with forefinger and thumb, away from the "clump of dirt". I can't imagine if it was gone, it really wouldn't help, would it? I mean, I don't think it would help that much once it was gone. Even if it was a little sticky afterward.[/quote]

true where it is wouldn't help him. But if you look at the picture winne put up, with his hand closed it is very eazy to rub the pointer and middle finger in it. Also in the picture his thumb is very brown. That shit is sticky, I used it in a summer league that used wooden bats. It wouldn't take much to get a better grip. But imo who cares, if everyones doing it. That and the fact that mlb hasn't passed a rule in a very long time (either 1930's or 50's) that helps out the pitcher. Everything from smaller strike zones, lower mounds, smaller fields is greatly helping out the hitters.
 
[quote name='Kendal']Yeah, because after it was gone Kenny Rogers totally sucked? Quit bitching you pussy. I hope there is no game 6 and the Tigers celebrate at Busch stadium and watch all the dejected Cards fans cry, just like you are doing right now. Buck up, cheating is part of any sport. Get used to it, life isn't fair.[/QUOTE]


Who's bitching? I could care less, I just said he did do it and I think it's lame to pretend like he didn't. Kenny Rogers is a good pitcher (usually) and a little pine tar isn't going to make the difference between him being lights out and being average.

For the record, I want the Tigers to win.

Of course the "cheating is part of any sport. Get used to it" is a pretty stupid way of thinking, but hey to each his own.

edit** I forgot to add, You little bitch douche baby etc...
 
[quote name='starman9000']Who's bitching? I could care less, I just said he did do it and I think it's lame to pretend like he didn't. Kenny Rogers is a good pitcher (usually) and a little pine tar isn't going to make the difference between him being lights out and being average.

For the record, I want the Tigers to win.

Of course the "cheating is part of any sport. Get used to it" is a pretty stupid way of thinking, but hey to each his own.

edit** I forgot to add, You little bitch douche baby etc...[/quote]

Curves on hockey sticks and thickness of goalie sticks. It is a part of sports. MLB is no expection. I mean look at Gambiani, yeah he isn't taking 'roids. In a perfect world, no one would cheat and there wouldn't be losers. Thankfully we aren't this boring and the Tigers are out of the losing collum for once. :D Also, I was just joking about calling you those names, bitch. :D I need to remember my smilies on the interweb. I smell 1968, don't you? :D
 
While there is cheating in sports, and there's really nothing to do about this

Saying cheating takes place in every sport is ridiculous, it's under a microscope because it's the WORLD SERIES, the last set of games for the title that's why people are bugged about it
 
Huh, I thought Bonderman was set for the third game.

Um... darn? Guillen's back playing short, Casey's at first, and Santiago isn't in the lineup, and Joe Buck says this is a problem? That's basically how they played all season.
 
[quote name='botticus']Huh, I thought Bonderman was set for the third game.

Um... darn? Guillen's back playing short, Casey's at first, and Santiago isn't in the lineup, and Joe Buck says this is a problem? That's basically how they played all season.[/quote]

I thought it was confusing as well, since Bonderman is better than Robertson. But they were talking about how Robertson has own lefties and is good agaist right handers. So I guess it makes sense to come out strong on the road in St Louis, even if it isn't Bonderman 1st.

And Joe Buck, well lets just say he's a piece of shit.
 
That really helped show that he's 17 for 33 with the bases loaded, and of course he doesn't get a hit...

Also, why do all the pitchers on Detroit and STL have facial hair?
 
[quote name='thamaster24']That really helped show that he's 17 for 33 with the bases loaded, and of course he doesn't get a hit...

Also, why do all the pitchers on Detroit and STL have facial hair?[/quote]

So they can all be "hip and cool". Then again, would you rather they be metrosexual rather than grizzled?
 
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