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Yeah, I have to say, this event was kind of underwhelming. It was probably more due to having to reshuffle the card more than anything. Maia still seems perfectly content to be a shitty kickboxer, and Weidman seemed to just want to play it safe all fight (probably due to the quick weight cut since they kept mentioning it).

Then, in Sonnen - Bisping, I hate to ever give any credit to Michael Bisping, so I'm just going to say that Chael looked weak. That wasn't the same man with the same fire that absolutely destroyed Anderson Silva for 24 minutes. I refuse to believe that Bisping is harder to take down/stronger than Anderson.

Maybe you can accredit it to Chael preparing for Munoz, but to me, Bisping should have been an EASIER fight. Maybe I'm underrating Bisping's abilities, but in a way, I felt like Chael was lucky he didn't get KO'd. If Anderson is able to keep it standing like that in the rematch...Chael will get KO'd. Hate to say it, but it's true.

And finally, Rashad just outclassed Phil Davis. He seemed both too quick and too strong. Davis seemed like he didn't know what to do with him. He's either gotta learn some striking or beef up his wrestling even more. Not sure if he's got it in him to be a top tier guy. He had no business being anywhere near a potential title shot yet. He's beat Little Nog and Gustaffson. That's pretty much the first rung of the LHW ladder. Sherdog is calling for him to fight Ryan Bader (assuming Bader loses to Rampage), and that's probably the level he should be at.
 
Surprised to see Beltran's chin to fall tonight.Thought Bisping vs. Sonnen was a 29-29 fight giving the first round a 10-10 but if I had to pick a winner in the first round I would've went with Bisping so in a way felt like a small robbery but I suppose it shouldn't since it was a pretty close fight.One of Bisping's best performances and really starting to cement himself as a top guy and doesn't seem to hurt him losing like he did.Seems like Sonnen might have been a bit more busy with his promos then his training.The judges seem to really favor the takedowns tonight.
 
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Yeah, I really feel that that's a fight I'd need to see again. According to Chael, Bisping rocked the shit out of him in the 1st round, and he didn't feel right the rest of the fight. I don't know that I ever noticed that good of a shot land, but I was also trying to feed a 2 month old baby at the time, so it's possible I could have missed it, lol.

Initially, my thought was that Bisping was imposing his will more in the fight, but then I started to think about what he actually accomplished. When he was leaning on Chael against the cage...nothing was happening. Yes, he landed the better punches, but I don't know that Chael was ever "in danger".

Meanwhile, in those rounds, Chael was still getting takedowns. Now, you could make the same argument of "What did Chael accomplish with the takedowns?" since Bisping was mostly getting right back up. So, I don't know. In a way, they cancelled each other out. The 3rd round was clearly Chael's, but I don't think a 30-27 score was right either. A 29-28 split decision would have probably been more accurate...but you could probably flip a coin to determine who it would be in favor of.
 
The Bisbing/Sonnen fight I have to agree was alot closer than I thought it would be, after the fight I did kinda think Bisbing won but realized it could go either way because of how close it was. I have to agree also that the judges really favored takedowns last night, my main arguement with that is, does a takedown count as more or getting up right away without getting damaged count more? I kinda think they offset each other.

The Maia fight was horrible, those guys were totally gassed by the third. Evans won pretty handily but now he has to go get crushed by Jones.
 
I believe Maia was truly sick in that fight, and Weidman struggled badly because of the weight cut. I see no way that Weidman could have won that fight, considering he was out thrown and outlanded vastly, and the revalation that the fight was supposed to be declared a UD shocks me.

In any case, somebody needs to tell Maia that he is a grappler. He's a pretty decent striker, especially compared to just a couple years ago, but he has great Judo and BJJ skills and he neglects them way too often.
 
Same thing with Gonzaga. It drives me crazy when guys like that try to stand with mediocre striking skills and never use their primary expertise. Take your opponents down and at least try to submit them sometimes! Paul Harris is really the only guy I can think of in recent history that knows bjj is his bread and butter and sticks to it.
 
[quote name='Maklershed']Same thing with Gonzaga. It drives me crazy when guys like that try to stand with mediocre striking skills and never use their primary expertise. Take your opponents down and at least try to submit them sometimes! Paul Harris is really the only guy I can think of in recent history that knows bjj is his bread and butter and sticks to it.[/QUOTE]

True, Palhares really knows where he excels and while he tries to improve his striking, he won't ever be an elite striker. You need something special to be a truly good striker, something that Maia's and Palhares' don't have. But they can be good strikers, they just need to remember where their home is.

Gonzaga at least has big power, and he is starting to make the transition into a grappler once again (his last two fights he has grappled). But it took too long and he's much older now. He's huge, a strong guy with fantastic BJJ, why he chose to strike and get his glass chin broken apart all these years is beyond me.
 
Word around town is that Chael was sick and it affected his weight cut. No excuses, tho. I have Silva by R4 TKO in the rematch. We'll see if I change my mind.

And just to hell with Bisping and his post-fight comments. He says the Internet thinks he won. That's odd. My Twitter feed seemed pretty split. Oh, and hey, someone tell him that Sonnen landed more significant strikes.

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2012/01/sonnen-vs-bisping-official-ufc.html

I think a lot of us were surprised that he grappled well with Sonnen and that blinded a lot of people.

I get why Maia has gone all K1 on us. He wants to expand his repertoire. I respect that idea. But, man, dude should use what got him to the dance. I can't see Maia's striking ever evolving to where it's a truly dominant skill.

Ronda Rousey gave a fantastic interview on the latest Savage Dog Show. She gave some very interesting insight into the Olympics and how poorly the athletes are treated.
 
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[quote name='Chase']
Ronda Rousey gave a fantastic interview on the latest Savage Dog Show. She gave some very interesting insight into the Olympics and how poorly the athletes are treated.[/QUOTE]

everytime I hear her talk or read about her im a bigger fan. the first female fighter that im really a fan of.
 
[quote name='Chase']Word around town is that Chael was sick and it affected his weight cut. No excuses, tho. I have Silva by R4 TKO in the rematch. We'll see if I change my mind.[/QUOTE]

Wouldn't surprise me. I thought he physically looked like shit and seemed worn out before the fight even started. Also, I gotta say, his "promo" after the fight was ridiculous. I usually like how he self-promotes but that was just too put on and too WWE for my taste. He had a fake voice going and everything. "Joe Rogan...how does it feel to be standing next to greatness???" Come on, man. Just give a real post fight interview, and go back to the crazy hyping when your next fight is announced.
 
[quote name='paz9x'] the first female fighter that im really a fan of.[/QUOTE]


Marianna Keyhfets for me but E. Honda Rousey is definitely growing on me.
 
i was pretty shocked chael won the descision. i couldn't see giving him anything but the third. oh well so much for seeing a more interesting silva fight.

rousey is pretty lulzy and i wish her luck but probably still won't watch much women's mma.

maia and weidman really disappointed me...i really wanted that fight to be great. i wish maia would just not stand'n'wang with people anymore.
 
Someone uploaded the Rousey interview from the Savage Dog Show from a few days ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aSRie3O2ls

A definite must-listen if you haven't. :)

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I am much more impressed with Weidman than disappointed. He cut 32 pounds in 10 days. Madness. Weidman said he was so dry the towel kept static-clinging to his leg during a weight check. I think it's impressive he beat a fighter of Maia's level on such short notice.
 
I'll post my picks on Friday when I solidify them for the Sherdog Pick Em. Still undecided on Diaz-Condit, Pierce-Kos, and Werdum-Nelson.

Random sidenote: Hans Zimmer did the music for the new UFC intro. Quite a step up from Stemm. Rest in peace, Gladiator Man.
 
Diaz over Condit(though I can definitely see Carlos winning)
Werdum over Nelson
Koscheck over Pierce
Barao over Jorgensen
Herman over Starks
 
Barao-Jorgensen has Fight of the Night potential if Condit-Diaz doesn't steal the show. :)

I haven't set my picks yet. Leaning towards Condit, as of now.

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Condit-Diaz Primer:

Evangelista Santos chopped away at Nick Diaz like a lumberjack—but Diaz showed his trademark iron will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUH-UfNPoRk

Another example of Diaz's iron will at the, ahem, 4:20 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1-lMnDuRsw

Of course, there's the BJ Penn fight where Diaz broke Penn's will and dominated Penn on the feet. The same Penn who has been referred to by Freddie Roach as the best boxer in MMA. Impressive stuff.

If you want to go further back, another relevant fight is his series with, solid striker, KJ Noons. What you want to take away from the second fight is how Noons avoided Diaz's takedowns and flustered him with punch-kick combinations.

As for Carlos Condit, I'd watch his war of nutrition against Hiromitsu Miura. Miura tagged him in the fourth, and Condit had to get a takedown to survive. Question you want to ask yourself is: If Diaz tags Condit, will Condit be able to secure the takedown.

Just for fun, watch Condit's fights with Rory MacDonald, Dan Hardy, and Dong Hyun Kim. His fight with MacDonald is a good example of his guard and ability to work off his back. The Hardy fight shows he can take a punch and hit hard with great technique. The Kim fight shows how dangerous he is as an elite Thai striker.

Also, Condit's fight with Jake Ellenberger is a good example of Ellenberger's toughness. Dude is a force at 170 and a legit contender if anyone gets injured.
 
Hehehe...If I were reffing a Nick Diaz fight, I'd be like Josh Rosenthal instead of Mario Yamasaki. Let them fight it out and give them time to work. ;)

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I still have to do my Sherdog Pick Em picks. Gonna do that after I get in a workout, tho. My whole weekend schedule gets derailed during fight days.

Mike Pierce came out in a Josh Koscheck wig at the weigh-ins. :lol: Funny stuff. I never realized that Pierce is only 5'8" until I saw him stand side-by-side with Koscheck. Then I remember that Matt Hughes, one of the best at 170, is only 5'9" himself. Of course, Frankie being undersized at 155, etc. But yeah, Pierce is a contender at 170. I'd put him up there with Ellenberger if he finishes Kos.

Condit actually weighed 169 at the weigh-ins. I chalk that up to motivation. Really hyped for Condit-Diaz. It has Fight of the Year written all over it. We'll see if it lives up to its potential.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6CFWus4548

Get hyped! It's UFC 143 day!

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[quote name='Maklershed']Ha Chase - just heard your question on the CAGcast. You completely baffled everyone. :lol:[/QUOTE]


Bahahaha...Hats off to Cheapy for reading the other half of that tweet. I figured he would be like "'the heck is this?" :lol:

I'm all about pimping this thread. Sure beats the chaos in the Sherdog forum.
 
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I finally finalized my picks for Sherdog Pick Em.

I have...

Kuiper by UD.
I think Natal gasses. Kuiper gets him in the clinch and grinds him against the fence. Probably a few takedowns.

Thompson by UD.
Thompson is an elite striker—but has become more conservative in recent fights. Dude has the ability to toss out some unique strikes. TKO is a possibility.

Brown by R1 TKO.
Both guys are fighting to keep their job. Unless Cope can freak out Brown with a sub, I think Brown crushes him.

Figueroa by R1 TKO.
Caceres showed improvement against Escovedo, but Figueroa is better and aggressive. I think El Feroz pressures Bruce Leroy and catches him.

Riddle by UD.
Short-notice fight for Martinez, who fought last month, but takes the fight at 170 when he would otherwise fight at 155. Stronger Riddle dominates.

Poirier by R2 SUB.
Holloway is young and outclassed. Poirier dominates.

Herman by R1 SUB.
Most impressive fact about Starks is that he wrestles with Velasquez. Dude couldn't finish Jacoby. Herman exploits a probable BJJ weakness. Probably a knee bar.

Barao by UD.
I don't see Jorgensen crumbling. But, I see Barao using angles and battering him with leg kicks. Jorgensen is tough enough to survive fifteen minutes.

Pierce by SD.
I think Kos' previously fractured orbital will affect his mental game. Pierce hits hard, has a chin to stand and bang, and the wrestling to stuff takedowns and get to his feet. Probably a close decision.

Werdum by UD.
Let's be honest: Nelson is an undersized heavyweight. Werdum's a big dude with underrated boxing (and a solid ground game). I think the Strikeforce heavies continue their streak.

Condit by R3 TKO.
Tough pick. I'm a big fan of both guys. Diaz has outstanding recovery but he gets hit. I think Diaz swarms Condit and hurts him. But, I see Condit surviving the round and dropping Diaz. Where others have failed to capitalize on a hurt Diaz, Condit won't make that mistake.
 
Extraordinary performance by Carlos Condit tonight. He really deserved the win tonight. Perfectly executed game plan. Was reading some of the comments on the Facebook and it always amuses me at what people will say. Yeah, Carlos was running away a lot and playing it safe, but against a fighter like Nick you can't leave yourself open. All the taunting and games had no effect on Condit. I was extremely impressed with his performance tonight. Lots of people said it was boring, but I enjoy the high level of skill shown with Condit.
 
I also wanted to see GSP beat the ever loving shit out of Bitch Diaz. But honestly, Condit getting the shot makes you feel like "something is right with the world". He earned it and fought a great fight tonight. Conversely, Nick Diaz is the biggest piece of human waste I've ever seen. I don't care how "talented" anybody wants to say he is. The guy is completely classless.

He lost that fight, plain and simple. Yes, he pressed the action, like he always does, giving the appearance that he was actually doing something. But Condit was slipping a lot of his punches and was countering well. He also stayed disciplined and didn't get caught up in the Diaz Douchefest of talking during the fight, making cute little hand gestures, posing, continuing to go after him after the bell, and my favorite, holding onto his foot long after the bell like a complete dick. Gee, Nick, I wonder why the judges don't think twice about not giving you a decision when you spend the entire fight acting like a jackass.

As for "He ran from me the entire fight and just kicked me in the leg a couple times.", somebody give that man a fucking mirror. I know you're regularly an ugly piece of trash, but you got busted up tonight. Condit had some slick combinations and Diaz had no clue what was coming next. I hope to God this loser actually does leave MMA because he is the worst representation of the sport I could possibly think of. Kimbo freaking Slice was a better ambassador for the sport than Nick Diaz. I guess he thinks he's gonna be a pro boxer now? Yeah, good luck with that fighting guys who are just as fast as you, but hit about 10 times harder. And guess what, Nick. Boxing has judges too. I guess you're just going to have to get used to having victories "stolen" from you.

Also, Josh Koscheck is a dirty fighter. I'm sorry. It just can't be denied anymore. The second eyepoke looked especially blatant. Pierce is in the middle of throwing a huge punch and all of a sudden Koscheck's open hand goes lunging forward into Pierce's face. Oh, sure, you "didn't mean to". Right. It's not like you have a history of doing this...oh wait. Well, at least the ref hadn't warned you about it yet in this fight...oh wait...
 
These judges need a job performance check done. I did give Condit the win, but there was NO WAY that fight was 49-46 for either fighter. I thought it was extremely close. I would've given Diaz the first two rounds, Condit the next two, and the final round was just barely Condit's, despite the takedown and submission attempts by Diaz.

I'm tired of constantly seeing close fights end in extremely one-sided decisions. It's becoming a trend as of late and it's extremely annoying. No wonder Diaz was so pissed. I would've been too. Most of his anger came from frustration that his streak was done and he won't get the chance to fight GSP, at least not for now, but you have to think how much that hurt his pride to think you've got the fight won and then the judges not only tell you you've lost, but you were basically dominated in every round. A slap in the face if I do say so myself.

Now we get to see Condit vs GSP. Yay. /sarcasm It'll be a good fight, but it definitely doesn't have the draw that Diaz/GSP would've. Ah well. We'll see Diaz again. There's no way he's leaving on this note.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']I also wanted to see GSP beat the ever loving shit out of Bitch Diaz. But honestly, Condit getting the shot makes you feel like "something is right with the world". He earned it and fought a great fight tonight. Conversely, Nick Diaz is the biggest piece of human waste I've ever seen. I don't care how "talented" anybody wants to say he is. The guy is completely classless.

He lost that fight, plain and simple. Yes, he pressed the action, like he always does, giving the appearance that he was actually doing something. But Condit was slipping a lot of his punches and was countering well. He also stayed disciplined and didn't get caught up in the Diaz Douchefest of talking during the fight, making cute little hand gestures, posing, continuing to go after him after the bell, and my favorite, holding onto his foot long after the bell like a complete dick. Gee, Nick, I wonder why the judges don't think twice about not giving you a decision when you spend the entire fight acting like a jackass.

As for "He ran from me the entire fight and just kicked me in the leg a couple times.", somebody give that man a fucking mirror. I know you're regularly an ugly piece of trash, but you got busted up tonight. Condit had some slick combinations and Diaz had no clue what was coming next. I hope to God this loser actually does leave MMA because he is the worst representation of the sport I could possibly think of. Kimbo freaking Slice was a better ambassador for the sport than Nick Diaz. I guess he thinks he's gonna be a pro boxer now? Yeah, good luck with that fighting guys who are just as fast as you, but hit about 10 times harder. And guess what, Nick. Boxing has judges too. I guess you're just going to have to get used to having victories "stolen" from you.

Also, Josh Koscheck is a dirty fighter. I'm sorry. It just can't be denied anymore. The second eyepoke looked especially blatant. Pierce is in the middle of throwing a huge punch and all of a sudden Koscheck's open hand goes lunging forward into Pierce's face. Oh, sure, you "didn't mean to". Right. It's not like you have a history of doing this...oh wait. Well, at least the ref hadn't warned you about it yet in this fight...oh wait...[/QUOTE]

Herb Dean should have took a point away. He warned him so much time that a point deduction would have been justified.
 
I like how you're all rational. Sure beats some of the nonsense I saw on Twitter. I'm especially happy that I got to vicariously channel my frustration with a significant portion of the MMA fanbase through Jordan Breen's rants on Beatdown After The Bell.

Rant:
Why can't everyone be like "Oh yeah, it was a close fight. I had Diaz to win and it's a shame he didn't." No. Instead I see a bunch of crybabies on Twitter.

Hats off to Condit for remaining focused and aggressive through Diaz's mental shenanigans. An athlete—who gets paid to win—follows a gameplan and a part of the sport's fanbase throws a tiff. I actually like and relate to Diaz—and even I was disgusted with his disrespect towards Condit in his post-fight interview.

If I were Condit, at the postfight presser, I would have let loose, held up the title, and said I whooped Diaz's ass. He has a lot of control over his anger where I otherwise would have exploded.

Brett Okamoto asked Lorenzo about a possible rematch. Lorenzo said he couldn't do that to Carlos. Brett asked Dana the same question and Dana sounded enthused at the idea. The last freakin' thing the UFC needs to do is to cater to the lowest common denominator. This is freakin' MMA not K1. And it's not like Condit wasn't standing and trading. Dude busted up Diaz's face. For fuck's sake, this is a sport. fuck those casual fucking fans and their motherfucking ignorance. We MMA fans have the DUMBEST fanbase—and I'm including NASCAR fans into the equation. Lorenzo needs to use his arm cannons and take over Dana's spot. Dana has to go!

I did pretty well for the night, picks-wise. 9 out of 11. I scored Pierce-Kos for Pierce. Thought he won R1 and R2. Kos had more takedowns but they didn't do anything or lead to any significant position. Fightmetric reported that Pierce landed more significant and total strikes for R1 and R2 while Kos had his two takedowns.
 
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The fight was really close and I can't complain about the decision but I personally saw the first two rounds going to Diaz, the second two to Condit, and the final to Diaz.

Also I know these guys have a lot of pride but I'm so sick of the 'drama queen loser' syndrome. Hughes, Diaz, Penn, Lesnar, Pulver, and probably a few more last year alone. Diaz will be back and probably within the next few months.
 
[quote name='blueweltall']Herb Dean should have took a point away. He warned him so much time that a point deduction would have been justified.[/QUOTE]

In the prelim fights Dean gave a two-point deduction to Alex Cacares for repeated low blows. Now, sure, every fight is supposed to be its own event in theory, but there is a cynical part of me that wonders if he had a talk behind the scenes (or, rather, a talking *to* behind the scenes) that might have influenced his willingness to deduct points in later fights he officiated.

Two points is unheard of (as far as I know, I've never seen it nor read about it), so I wonder if he got heat for it. Not that it matters, since the fight (Cacares vs Figueroa) was one of the hands down worst fights I've ever seen in UFC. If I had a nickel for every blown opportunity at getting in a submission finish, and a penny for every idiotic strategy used in the fight - well, I'd have a lot of nickels and pennies. Terrible, idiotic fight. I hope that's not representative of those two's typical matches - if so, they are the two dumbest fighters in MMA. The announcers were even voicing their frustration with the fight - "oh, there's another missed triangle choke" and whathaveyou.

I would have loved to see Diaz vs GSP, but if Diaz quit, good. Those two guys are fucking trash of the highest order.
 
Frustrates me to high hell what a waste of talent the Diaz brothers are. Guys could be on top of the world but are content embracing their surly "keeping it real/fuck the system" attitudes. Nick going AWOL to lose out on the GSP title fight then being a shit talking, take my ball and go home bitch in defeat for the interim title. Talent can only excuse so much bullshit.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']In the prelim fights Dean gave a two-point deduction to Alex Cacares for repeated low blows. Now, sure, every fight is supposed to be its own event in theory, but there is a cynical part of me that wonders if he had a talk behind the scenes (or, rather, a talking *to* behind the scenes) that might have influenced his willingness to deduct points in later fights he officiated.

Two points is unheard of (as far as I know, I've never seen it nor read about it), so I wonder if he got heat for it. Not that it matters, since the fight (Cacares vs Figueroa) was one of the hands down worst fights I've ever seen in UFC. If I had a nickel for every blown opportunity at getting in a submission finish, and a penny for every idiotic strategy used in the fight - well, I'd have a lot of nickels and pennies. Terrible, idiotic fight. I hope that's not representative of those two's typical matches - if so, they are the two dumbest fighters in MMA. The announcers were even voicing their frustration with the fight - "oh, there's another missed triangle choke" and whathaveyou.

I would have loved to see Diaz vs GSP, but if Diaz quit, good. Those two guys are fucking trash of the highest order.[/QUOTE]


Yeah I was frustrated watching that too but for a different reason. I already dislike Bruce Leroy and think they only keep him around for his schtick so that's why I couldn't figure out why Figueroa who is no joke (looked great against McDonald who should be getting a title shot soon imo / and demolished Reinhart) was soooo sloppy against him. It almost looked like he was purposely letting Caceres do what he wanted on the ground. And when he'd get back to his feet he'd inexplicably turn around and just stand there with his back to Caceres. It was really bizarre.

And I'm assuming Dean gave two points because of the nature of the nut shots - they were clean, hard shots straight on and not glancing blows. He must've felt Figueroa was extremely damaged by them. Having said that, I'm not sure I can recall a two point deduction. Even knees to the head are generally only one.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']I also wanted to see GSP beat the ever loving shit out of Bitch Diaz. But honestly, Condit getting the shot makes you feel like "something is right with the world". He earned it and fought a great fight tonight. Conversely, Nick Diaz is the biggest piece of human waste I've ever seen. I don't care how "talented" anybody wants to say he is. The guy is completely classless.

He lost that fight, plain and simple. Yes, he pressed the action, like he always does, giving the appearance that he was actually doing something. But Condit was slipping a lot of his punches and was countering well. He also stayed disciplined and didn't get caught up in the Diaz Douchefest of talking during the fight, making cute little hand gestures, posing, continuing to go after him after the bell, and my favorite, holding onto his foot long after the bell like a complete dick. Gee, Nick, I wonder why the judges don't think twice about not giving you a decision when you spend the entire fight acting like a jackass.

As for "He ran from me the entire fight and just kicked me in the leg a couple times.", somebody give that man a fucking mirror. I know you're regularly an ugly piece of trash, but you got busted up tonight. Condit had some slick combinations and Diaz had no clue what was coming next. I hope to God this loser actually does leave MMA because he is the worst representation of the sport I could possibly think of. Kimbo freaking Slice was a better ambassador for the sport than Nick Diaz. I guess he thinks he's gonna be a pro boxer now? Yeah, good luck with that fighting guys who are just as fast as you, but hit about 10 times harder. And guess what, Nick. Boxing has judges too. I guess you're just going to have to get used to having victories "stolen" from you.[/QUOTE]

The judging throughout the night was pretty spotty. Hell, anytime Cecil Peoples is judging a fight, you have to pray it doesn't go to a decision, but sure enough, he was there judging the most important fight of the night. Guess what ... he screwed the pooch like always. Peopls and Patricia Morse Jarman scored the fight 49-46 for Condit, giving him the 1, 2, 4 and 5!!! The fifth round, are you kidding me?

In my opinion, Diaz won the 1st and 2nd rounds. His stand up was crisper, he blocked many of the combinations Condit threw at him and had octagon control throughout. Condit started the fight really slow, and his striking looked off. All he was really able to do in those rounds was throw leg kicks, which didn't appear to have much effect on Diaz. However, Condit settled down after the 2nd round, and I gave him the 3rd and 4th rounds.

So I had it 38-38 going into the 5th round, and I thought Nick easily pulled out the round. He started the round off very aggressively with low and high kicks and had Condit back pedaling through much of the round. Then, he secured the take down and had the clear dominant position by having Condit's back and attempting several sub attempts. I just can't simply see how anyone could score that round for Condit. Hell, even Condit admits that he lost the 5th round.
 
Also, GSP is saying he's going to be out until November. I can't see Condit pulling a "Rashad" and not taking another fight before then.

I think the Diaz vs. Condit fight was close enough and the judging controversial that it warrants a rematch. I mean, who else is out there in the welterweight division that would make a more exciting fight than a Diaz/Condit rematch? Jake Ellenberger, Koscheck, Johny Hendricks? None of those guys are in the same field as GSP, Condit and Diaz right now.

As for Diaz's supposed retirement, I think he said that out of frustration, but I can also see him saying "fuck it" rather than starting over in the division and work his way back up for a title shot.

I mean, Dana actually suggested Koscheck for a fight against Diaz. What the hell? I think Pierce outscored Koscheck during their fight and should have won it. Plus, Koscheck is only 1-2 in his last three fights, with his only win against Matt Hughes, who is well past his prime. He doesn't deserve a fight against Diaz.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']So I had it 38-38 going into the 5th round, and I thought Nick easily pulled out the round. He started the round off very aggressively with low and high kicks and had Condit back pedaling through much of the round. Then, he secured the take down and had the clear dominant position by having Condit's back and attempting several sub attempts. I just can't simply see how anyone could score that round for Condit. Hell, even Condit admits that he lost the 5th round.[/QUOTE]

Even if this is true, maybe Diaz's circus antics distracted the judges from accurately scoring his performance. He's not doing himself any favors acting like a complete dipshit in there. The first two rounds were also a lot closer than you're admitting. Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg both thought Condit was winning the fight after the first two rounds...and Rogan's reasoning was solid. He said "Condit is doing a better job of doing what he wants to do than Diaz is."

Diaz huffs and puffs like some big badass, but all he's got is that "Stockton Slap" garbage. The reason that style works is because most fighters are overwhelmed by it, they panic, and then they make a huge mistake. Condit did none of those things. Ok, so Diaz landed 15 love taps in 12 seconds. None of them did anything to Condit. Condit was never in any actual danger (and we must distinguish this from "swinging wildly like a lunatic, OMG-Herb-Dean-Is-Gonna-Stop-The-Fight danger"). If he doesn't want to risk it going to the judges, end the damn fight. Stop spending so much energy dancing and prancing, and put your hands on him. I'd say maybe this fight will be a learning experience for Diaz, but it was pretty clear in his post fight interview that he's not going to accept any of the blame for losing the fight. He's a waste of a fighter and he doesn't deserve to sniff GSP's jock.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Even if this is true, maybe Diaz's circus antics distracted the judges from accurately scoring his performance. He's not doing himself any favors acting like a complete dipshit in there. The first two rounds were also a lot closer than you're admitting. Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg both thought Condit was winning the fight after the first two rounds...and Rogan's reasoning was solid. He said "Condit is doing a better job of doing what he wants to do than Diaz is."

Diaz huffs and puffs like some big badass, but all he's got is that "Stockton Slap" garbage. The reason that style works is because most fighters are overwhelmed by it, they panic, and then they make a huge mistake. Condit did none of those things. Ok, so Diaz landed 15 love taps in 12 seconds. None of them did anything to Condit. Condit was never in any actual danger (and we must distinguish this from "swinging wildly like a lunatic, OMG-Herb-Dean-Is-Gonna-Stop-The-Fight danger"). If he doesn't want to risk it going to the judges, end the damn fight. Stop spending so much energy dancing and prancing, and put your hands on him. I'd say maybe this fight will be a learning experience for Diaz, but it was pretty clear in his post fight interview that he's not going to accept any of the blame for losing the fight. He's a waste of a fighter and he doesn't deserve to sniff GSP's jock.[/QUOTE]

I do agree that the first two rounds were close, as were all the rounds. However, if you're judging rounds according to Rogan's commentary, then you have to also take into account that Rogan pointed out that Condit was being hesitant with his striking and didn't look entirely comfortable during the 2nd round. This was when Diaz was getting the better of the exchanges and had Condit backed into the corner several times, including one time when he hit him cleanly in the body with four or five unanswered shots.

Like I said before, Condit settled into a nice groove in the 3rd and 4th rounds, and I think he won those rounds, but I'd love to hear anyone's reasoning as to why they think Condit won the 5th round. In my opinion, that was the most lopsided round of the fight.
 
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Although take that with a grain of salt because Dana himself said last night 'whoever wins this fight, fights GSP next'. Which to me made it sound like they're purposely putting the interim champ on ice until George is ready.[/QUOTE]

Dana said during the post-fight press conference and in several subsequent interviews that he thinks Condit should take a fight before fighting GSP in November because it's not good for fighters to wait around that long in between fights, especially when they're in the peak of their careers.

He also said if he really believes he's the best fighter in the division, then why would he be worried about fighting another opponent before GSP and losing his right to the title fight.
 
I think Condit won every round of the fight, but I can easily see 49-46. I think its a joke that some people suggest that Diaz simply coming forward and getting hit cleanly is enough to earn the decision. He got his socks boxed off with ease in an admittedly boring fight, but one that Condit fought very well in.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']I do agree that the first two rounds were close, as were all the rounds. However, if you're judging rounds according to Rogan's commentary, then you have to also take into account that Rogan pointed out that Condit was being hesitant with his striking and didn't look entirely comfortable during the 2nd round. This was when Diaz was getting the better of the exchanges and had Condit backed into the corner several times, including one time when he hit him cleanly in the body with four or five unanswered shots.[/QUOTE]

Diaz's little flurry in the 2nd round was probably the biggest thing he did the entire fight. But again, I ask, where is the damage? To me, that's the telling sign of the Diaz fight style. It's all show. That was basically the one time that Condit allowed himself to get backed against the cage and "unloaded upon".

I loved listening to Condit's responses in the post fight press conference because everything he said reeks of an intelligent fight plan. His "running" from Diaz was simply not letting Diaz dictate the fight (something that Donald Cerrone failed to do when he fought Nate Diaz). When Diaz was trying to rush forward and bully him, Condit got the hell out of there and counter punched him.

He had no intention of just standing in front of Diaz and making it a sloppy brawl like Diaz wanted. It was a smart strategy, and it was the right strategy. And it's the reason why Diaz abandoned his gameplan and all of a sudden started looking for takedowns (did anybody see that coming?). Yeah, there were a few rounds that could be scored differently depending on how you value "moving forward". But ultimately, Carlos Condit controlled that fight...something the people who think he was "running away" can't recognize.
 
I said what I wanted to say on Twitter about Nick Diaz fans and pro fighters who have stupid opinions about their own sport. So, I'll keep it civil here, and simply say that those who still persist in protest need to let it go. I have casual MMA dabblers asking me about Nick Diaz and seeing his fans bitch and moan is turning them away from a sport I love and want everyone to enjoy. Well, everyone except for Nick Diaz fans who think every fighter should play Nick Diaz's game and mindlessly throw punches. Those fans can leave the sport, in my opinion.

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Uploaded this with some people in mind, including this thread. In case you missed it, here's the new UFC opening. Still gives me goosebumps.

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[quote name='n8rockerasu']Diaz's little flurry in the 2nd round was probably the biggest thing he did the entire fight. But again, I ask, where is the damage? To me, that's the telling sign of the Diaz fight style. It's all show. That was basically the one time that Condit allowed himself to get backed against the cage and "unloaded upon".

I loved listening to Condit's responses in the post fight press conference because everything he said reeks of an intelligent fight plan. His "running" from Diaz was simply not letting Diaz dictate the fight (something that Donald Cerrone failed to do when he fought Nate Diaz). When Diaz was trying to rush forward and bully him, Condit got the hell out of there and counter punched him.

He had no intention of just standing in front of Diaz and making it a sloppy brawl like Diaz wanted. It was a smart strategy, and it was the right strategy. And it's the reason why Diaz abandoned his gameplan and all of a sudden started looking for takedowns (did anybody see that coming?). Yeah, there were a few rounds that could be scored differently depending on how you value "moving forward". But ultimately, Carlos Condit controlled that fight...something the people who think he was "running away" can't recognize.[/QUOTE]

Diaz is a Gracie BJJ black belt. Why would it surprise you to see him take Condit down and look for a submission? Also, I'm not saying Condit didn't stick to his game plan. However, I fail to see how you think Condit backing up the entire fight and throwing a leg kick or combination every so often constitutes as octagon control.

[quote name='Chase']I said what I wanted to say on Twitter about Nick Diaz fans and pro fighters who have stupid opinions about their own sport. So, I'll keep it civil here, and simply say that those who still persist in protest need to let it go. I have casual MMA dabblers asking me about Nick Diaz and seeing his fans bitch and moan is turning them away from a sport I love and want everyone to enjoy. Well, everyone except for Nick Diaz fans who think every fighter should play Nick Diaz's game and mindlessly throw punches. Those fans can leave the sport, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

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If you guys agree with the judges, I'd like to hear your reasoning as to why Condit won the 5th round.

In any case, I think we'll see a rematch of the fight this summer. Condit can't stay inactive until GSP is ready to fight in November, especially since he was just awarded the interim welterweight championship, and there's no one else in the division worthy of fighting Diaz right now. It makes sense to do this fight again, and a rematch would put up huge numbers.

In fact, check this out: http://www.espn.co.uk/ufc/sport/story/134844.html. Yep, we'll see a rematch.
 
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