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I hope they don't do an immediate rematch. I feel that is a little unfair to Condit, and is only happening because Diaz loss rather Condit. I'm a little tired of the immediate rematches too, if GSP is going to be out for a real long time maybe Condit should get a match in with someone else first and have Diaz face Fitch or Kos. Winner of those two then get to face off and see what happens.

I just think it will suck for Condit if all this happens and he loses the next match and doesn't get his title shot. He was going to get one before with Diaz was freaking out and not showing up to fight conferences only to have it ripped away from him for Diaz to get, and then with GSP out he gets another chance wins the match and now they want to have a do-over so hopefully Diaz can get in there.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']Diaz is a Gracie BJJ black belt. Why would it surprise you to see him take Condit down and look for a submission? Also, I'm not saying Condit didn't stick to his game plan. However, I fail to see how you think Condit backing up the entire fight and throwing a leg kick or combination every so often constitutes as octagon control.[/QUOTE]

It constitutes octagon control because it prevented Diaz from being able to do what he wanted to do in that fight. Why should Diaz get "free points" just because he's an arrogant prick who aggressively walks down his opponents simply because he's never been knocked out before. How else do you deal with that style of fighter other than just letting him back you into the cage? (as Condit did in the 2nd round)

Unless you're a wrestler and you're going to take him down, you've got to get him out of your face so you can fight your fight and not his. And I know Diaz is a blackbelt in BJJ, but come on. When was the last time he actually used it? He's thought of himself as a boxer for a long time now. It was actually smart of him to go for the takedown considering what he was doing wasn't working...but that's why it surprised me. Because it was smart.

As for all the tweets, pro fighters aren't immune to knee jerk reactions. This was a fight that needed to be thought about to actually see what Condit did. Hell, some of those opinions (ahem...Cody McKenzie) are just as dumb as any AL (After Lesnar) MMA fan you'd find on Sherdog. And some might have just wanted to see GSP vs Diaz. I'm not saying it wasn't a close fight, but it's not fair to discredit what Condit did.

And none of it excuses Diaz's shitty "I didn't win, so I'm quitting" attitude. I wouldn't give him a title shot for that reason alone. He's too volatile. What if he did win the belt? He's going to be flipping off his opponents, blowing off interviews, saying he "doesn't need" the sport, etc. I'd never feel comfortable putting him on a Fox event because there's no telling what he might say or do on network television. If he wants to be taken seriously by the sport, he needs to take the sport a little more seriously.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']If you guys . . . *truncated*[/QUOTE]

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I already said my "pro fighters who don't understand their own sport and have stupid opinions" statement. No need to rehash it.

Thanks to the incessant bitching on Twitter, I gave the fight another view. This is what—I—scored the fight.

R1 Condit 10 Diaz 9
R2 Condit 9 Diaz 10
R3 Condit 10 Diaz 9
R4 Condit 10 Diaz 9
R5 Condit 9 Diaz 10
Condit 48 - Diaz 47

'Twas a close fight. And again, I'm a big fan of both fighters. To give some perspective, I actually championed Diaz against St-Pierre. And I own his damn "Don't Be Scared, Homie" shirt.

Believe it or not, moving forward means nothing if the person moving forward is being outstruck. Unless you're giving points to Diaz for making weird hand gestures and talking trash during a fight.

Please tell me you're not one of those people who think Condit "ran away." Dude used slick movement. Why on Earth would Condit play into Diaz's style? That would be incredibly stupid. This is MMA—not boxing. We all already know that Condit is a dangerous striker who finishes fools. Now, he shows that he can be smart for one fight against an incredibly dangerous opponent and people complain like they have a tack in their ass. That's absurd. And as Fightmetric shows, he—outstruck—Diaz. Condit used vicious combos. Look at Diaz's face. It's busted up. Only reason why he didn't finish Diaz is because Diaz has an incredible chin. You can't fault a dude for not being able to put away Nick Diaz. That would be absolutely ridiculous.

As for a Diaz-Condit 2, I'm not a fan of immediate rematches—and this is coming from a Chael Sonnen fan. Like Sonnen, Nick Diaz has to EARN a rematch.

" . . . and there's no one else in the division worthy of fighting Diaz right now . . ."

That's an interesting statement. "Worthy." Nick Diaz lost. The only reason why Dana White would push for a rematch is because it's marketable. Surely isn't due to Nick Diaz's crybaby post-fight speech. Lorenzo Ferttita needs to step up, like he's indicated, and replace Dana as the face of the company.

Entertainment aside, this is still a sport. A young sport, as we've seen with some of these fans. Do you see NBA bitching because a team plays defense too well and the other team is unable to score? As an NBA fan, I never see that sorta hot garbage. Hopefully, as the sport matures the fans will, too. I've been a fan since the Ferttitas took over and I ain't going anywhere.

As for people actually worthy of a crack at Carlos Condit's interim title, Jake Ellenberger, if he beats Diego Sanchez, and Johny Hendricks, who beat arguably the #2 best 170 fighter at the time Jon Fitch.

Hope that wasn't too inflammatory. I didn't proofread and I'm not a morning person. I woke up to do a workout before work and wound up dicking around the Internet. Didn't expect your reply. Hehehe... :)
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']It constitutes octagon control because it prevented Diaz from being able to do what he wanted to do in that fight. Why should Diaz get "free points" just because he's an arrogant prick who aggressively walks down his opponents simply because he's never been knocked out before. How else do you deal with that style of fighter other than just letting him back you into the cage? (as Condit did in the 2nd round)

Unless you're a wrestler and you're going to take him down, you've got to get him out of your face so you can fight your fight and not his. And I know Diaz is a blackbelt in BJJ, but come on. When was the last time he actually used it? He's thought of himself as a boxer for a long time now. It was actually smart of him to go for the takedown considering what he was doing wasn't working...but that's why it surprised me. Because it was smart.

As for all the tweets, pro fighters aren't immune to knee jerk reactions. This was a fight that needed to be thought about to actually see what Condit did. Hell, some of those opinions (ahem...Cody McKenzie) are just as dumb as any AL (After Lesnar) MMA fan you'd find on Sherdog. And some might have just wanted to see GSP vs Diaz. I'm not saying it wasn't a close fight, but it's not fair to discredit what Condit did.

And none of it excuses Diaz's shitty "I didn't win, so I'm quitting" attitude. I wouldn't give him a title shot for that reason alone. He's too volatile. What if he did win the belt? He's going to be flipping off his opponents, blowing off interviews, saying he "doesn't need" the sport, etc. I'd never feel comfortable putting him on a Fox event because there's no telling what he might say or do on network television. If he wants to be taken seriously by the sport, he needs to take the sport a little more seriously.[/QUOTE]

I certainly don't want to discredit what Condit did in the octagon, and actually, I've been a Condit fan for a long time. He fought a smart fight, and I was impressed that he stuck to his game plan despite Diaz trying to goad him into brawling with him. That's one thing I think many casual fans don't realize about Diaz. He's not a thug who's being disrespectful to his opponent in the cage, he uses those tactics to get his opponent off their game plan, and very often, it works.

While I still believe Diaz won the fight 48-47, I think it can be argued both ways, which is why I think it makes the most sense to just set up a rematch between the two guys. I mean, the UFC has a history of setting up immediate rematches in championship fights when the results are under scrutiny, and Edgar/Maynard immediately come to mind.

I can't think of another fight that I'd be more excited to see than a rematch between Condit and Diaz. It will be fascinating to see how their game plans change based on their first fight.
 
[quote name='Chase']I can post pictures too.

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I already said my "pro fighters who don't understand their own sport and have stupid opinions" statement. No need to rehash it.

Thanks to the incessant bitching on Twitter, I gave the fight another view. This is what—I—scored the fight.

R1 Condit 10 Diaz 9
R2 Condit 9 Diaz 10
R3 Condit 10 Diaz 9
R4 Condit 10 Diaz 9
R5 Condit 9 Diaz 10
Condit 48 - Diaz 47

'Twas a close fight. And again, I'm a big fan of both fighters. To give some perspective, I actually championed Diaz against St-Pierre. And I own his damn "Don't Be Scared, Homie" shirt.

Believe it or not, moving forward means nothing if the person moving forward is being outstruck. Unless you're giving points to Diaz for making weird hand gestures and talking trash during a fight.

Please tell me you're not one of those people who think Condit "ran away." Dude used slick movement. Why on Earth would Condit play into Diaz's style? That would be incredibly stupid. This is MMA—not boxing. We all already know that Condit is a dangerous striker who finishes fools. Now, he shows that he can be smart for one fight against an incredibly dangerous opponent and people complain like they have a tack in their ass. That's absurd. And as Fightmetric shows, he—outstruck—Diaz. Condit used vicious combos. Look at Diaz's face. It's busted up. Only reason why he didn't finish Diaz is because Diaz has an incredible chin. You can't fault a dude for not being able to put away Nick Diaz. That would be absolutely ridiculous.

As for a Diaz-Condit 2, I'm not a fan of immediate rematches—and this is coming from a Chael Sonnen fan. Like Sonnen, Nick Diaz has to EARN a rematch.

" . . . and there's no one else in the division worthy of fighting Diaz right now . . ."

That's an interesting statement. "Worthy." Nick Diaz lost. The only reason why Dana White would push for a rematch is because it's marketable. Surely isn't due to Nick Diaz's crybaby post-fight speech. Lorenzo Ferttita needs to step up, like he's indicated, and replace Dana as the face of the company.

Entertainment aside, this is still a sport. A young sport, as we've seen with some of these fans. Do you see NBA bitching because a team plays defense too well and the other team is unable to score? As an NBA fan, I never see that sorta hot garbage. Hopefully, as the sport matures the fans will, too. I've been a fan since the Ferttitas took over and I ain't going anywhere.

As for people actually worthy of a crack at Carlos Condit's interim title, Jake Ellenberger, if he beats Diego Sanchez, and Johny Hendricks, who beat arguably the #2 best 170 fighter at the time Jon Fitch.

Hope that wasn't too inflammatory. I didn't proofread and I'm not a morning person. I woke up to do a workout before work and wound up dicking around the Internet. Didn't expect your reply. Hehehe... :)[/QUOTE]

I think immediate rematches are warranted when the results of the original fight are in question. Like I said earlier, I think the fight could be argued for Condit, but I personally think Diaz took the fight. Because of the ridiculous judging (two judges scored it 49-46 for Condit) and the fact that there aren't any other legitimate contenders in the division, I think a rematch is justified in this instance.

As for your FightMetric stats, they only further prove what I already knew -- the majority of Condit's strikes came from leg kicks that didn't do any legitimate damage to Diaz. There was only one, which I think came in the 4th round, that even looked like it effected Diaz's forward movement. If you take away the leg kicks, Diaz had 99 significant strikes compared to 83 from Condit.

However, a 10-point must scoring system, which many fighters and people in the industry hate, isn't built on which fighter has the most significant strikes. It's built on a per-round basis.

You scored the opening round for Condit. Like I said before, aside from a few exchanges, he basically threw leg kicks the majority of the round, where he scored 16 of his 29 significant strikes. Diaz outstruck him 27-14 in strikes to the head and body.

In the 2nd round, it was even more lopsided as Diaz scored 34 strikes to the head and body and Condit scored 18. Again, Condit threw a majority of leg kicks, scoring 11 in the round.

The 3rd and 4th rounds, I won't even argue because I've already said I think Condit won those rounds.

In the last round, while Condit outscored Diaz in significant strikes, I think Diaz's take down and sub attempts put him ahead of Condit.

I'm aware we may be arguing over semantics here, but I enjoy a lively debate. :)
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']That's one thing I think many casual fans don't realize about Diaz. He's not a thug who's being disrespectful to his opponent in the cage, he uses those tactics to get his opponent off their game plan, and very often, it works.[/QUOTE]

I would agree with this if it weren't for the fact that he continues it outside of the cage both before and after the fight. Yeah, maybe he's trying to intimidate his opponents by being a douche before the fight (I was going to say "maybe he's hyping the fight"...but given his absence from press conferences, I think it's clear he doesn't care about PPV buys). But even if it's a "strategy", he lives up to it and takes it too far.

I could actually respect the guy if he just owned up to his problems or had said "I disagree with the decision, but it's my fault for putting it in the hands of the judges." But it's always somebody elses fault. Anyway, this is probably something we could go round and round about. At the end of the day, I don't like his attitude and I'm glad somebody like that won't be going anywhere near the UFC belt.

Also, just a comment on the fightmetric stuff, I don't think it's fair to discredit leg kicks and then turn around and use body punches as an arguing point. I don't see how one is any more valuable than the other. TKOs from either are pretty rare, and they both set up bigger, more dangerous punches, while still serving a purpose of limiting your opponent's effectiveness later in the fight.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Also, just a comment on the fightmetric stuff, I don't think it's fair to discredit leg kicks and then turn around and use body punches as an arguing point. I don't see how one is any more valuable than the other. TKOs from either are pretty rare, and they both set up bigger, more dangerous punches, while still serving a purpose of limiting your opponent's effectiveness later in the fight.[/QUOTE]

True, and I agree entirely with what you said, but I was just making a point that the majority of Condit's overall strikes came from leg kicks. I don't see how you can award a round for Condit, especially in the first two rounds, when he essentially only relied on leg kicks with a couple hand combinations thrown in.

In the 3rd and 4th rounds, Condit really settled down and used his hands much better than in the previous two rounds. He also caught Diaz with a really great kick to the face that I thought was going to knock him down. I was amazed that Nick stayed up because it appeared that Condit connected flush.

I guess it really doesn't matter too much with the decision anymore since Nick lost, but I think a rematch makes the most sense from both a business and sport standpoint.

I wonder if Condit will change his game plan at all, which I wouldn't advise, but it'll be most interesting to see how Nick's camp could devise a plan to stop Condit from escaping. My immediate thought would be to make it a point to take the fight to the ground and try for a submission. I think Nick has a greater advantage there than he does standing up, especially if Condit fought like he did in 143.
 
[quote name='GUNNM']go in kick leg run around the whole round win fight
greg jackson mma[/QUOTE]

Thats funny, me and my dad who I turned into an mma fan about 7 or so year ago have been arguing over the fight results. He is a fan of point fighting while I completely hate it. He believes, and I can understand his point, that whatever takes to win is still a win, finish or not. I personally can't stand point fighting, I feel that it takes away a little bit of excitement when you know halfway through it will probably go to the score cards. Some of the best fights of all time went to dec, but normally it does not include a fighter that wants to point fight.

On another note, if they do not do a rematch I would love to see him fight Ellenberger. I think that would be a good fight for both fighters, and I think Jake would have a good shot. I was a huge fan of Condit before the fight but the constant "running" soured me on him a bit.
 
Think Greg Jackson magnificently planned a strat that Diaz couldn't counter. Diaz has never really had to give up his reach advantage and looked very fish out of water trying to hit someone he couldn't just outrange.

Condit played a beautiful game and took 1-4 in my opinion. Having asked fighters about this in the past they told me any more than 3-5 leg kicks in a round is a devastating disadvantage. Diaz's legs were in agony and he is very tough for being able to continue fighting. I'm sure he's making all sorts of frowny faces from his chair because he can't get out it right now.

Condit completely performed his plan to perfection and walked out nearly unscathed. I had Diaz only taking the 5th round and maaaybe the 2nd because of the brief flurry. I predicted Condit would win by decision but I certainly expect him to be so dominant. Condit landed 140ish more strikes...that's nuts. Diaz is a tough SOB but he really needs Muy Thai training. He realized he was getting outstruck and that's why he tried to wrestle with his meager takedown ability.
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']He realized he was getting outstruck and that's why he tried to wrestle with his meager takedown ability.[/QUOTE]

Exactly! But yet "Condit ran" because he refused to just stand there and let Diaz unload on him. Ridiculous. All the people upset about the way the fight went need to recognize where the blame should be placed. If you don't want Condit escaping and nullifying Diaz's attack...DON'T LET HIM ESCAPE. That falls on Diaz.

If you're such a bad ass with the best boxing in MMA, don't let him get away from you. If you can't do it, guess what...he's better than you. I think Diaz finally realized that when he went for the takedown, but it was too little, too late. But this "running" garbage is just nonsense. That's like getting mad at somebody for stuffing a takedown. They're stopping you from taking the fight where you want it to go. If you don't like it, do something about it.
 
It really pains me to see people discredit Condit's performance. I understand the majority of people watch MMA over boxing because of the brutality of the sport in general, but come on guys. If you can't appreciate the level of skill and talent it takes to avoid and hit someone as you please, then keep that to yourself. Don't discredit it by calling him a bitch and a pussy.

I was watching the fight with two of my other buddies and they were complaining about how boring the fight was. I personally enjoyed the hell out of the fight. I am by no means an MMA expert or anything, but the footwork and striking done by Condit was just beautiful. The 49-46 sounded right to me and I was a bit surprised with the 48-47 but could definitely see the possibility.

I, too, would hate for Condit to fight Diaz again because like someone mentioned above: he's been put through a wild ride for that title shot. Part of me wants it to happen and see Condit defeat Diaz again just to hear what excuses people will have this time around.
 
Grave, we'll have to agree to disagree about Condit-Diaz. Despite the continued bitching by Diaz nuthuggers, Condit is the interim 170 champion. Those cats need to grow up. He lost. There's nothing worth the continued crying.

I'm gonna start a Diaz-Fitch campaign on Twitter. That would be a competitive fight. Diaz may have a wrestling deficiency, but the X factor is Fitch's mental state after being flat-out KO-ed. Diaz's bully shenanigans just may break Fitch during the fight while Diaz's striking might pick apart Fitch if he can't get secure a takedown.

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Two things:

1. Bigfoot-Velasquez is apparently off. Mir-Velasquez is now Velasquez's return fight since he fought (while apparently injured) and lost the heavyweight strap to Dos Santos.

2. Fedor may make his return to Showtime on an M1 card—if SHO ponies up the dough.
 
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I'm not sure what to say to people that hated Conduit's methodology against Diaz. For one, he wasn't running. Kalib Starnes was running. Condit picked his shots and backpedaled away before Diaz could get into his range.

I'm going to bring up Tim Sylvia. I hate his late UFC style but he was smart enough to look at his style, his opponents' styles, and the UFC point scale to decide "Hey I can lie on top of guys and throw pawing outside punches for point decisions." Hate his style but he was a champion with multiple defenses until Randy Couture stepped up and said "Hey I can get into my range and pop him then outwrestle him and maintain an advantageous position when it goes to the ground."

The point is if a fighter can't adjust to something perfectly valid, he deserves to lose. And if fighters don't like the rules, fight to change them or fight somewhere else.
 
I must say that I was rooting for Condit in this fight. I like Condit and feel as though even after this fight he is being under appreciated by a lot of people/fighters who keep using this "running the whole fight" crap. I guess not everyone appreciated how smart of a fight Condit fought and thought he should have stood in front of Diaz instead of "running" away the entire fight. I thought the fight was 48-47 Condit.

Condit was more diversified with his striking, landing a higher percentage of shots, and busted up Diaz a lot more than he was. That is also complete bullshit if Condit has to fight Diaz again while GSP is out. This is now the 2nd time Condit has been in line for the title shot, he shouldn't have to fight in the mean time unless he wants to. I'm sorry but Diaz was not robbed and has shown absolutely no reason as to being worthy of an immediate rematch.
 
[quote name='bg88']I like Condit and feel as though even after this fight he is being under appreciated by a lot of people/fighters who keep using this "running the whole fight" crap.[/QUOTE]

It's Frankie Edgar all over again. Edgar had to fight BJ Penn twice and Gray Maynard twice before people were willing to accept that he was the champion and might actually be a pretty decently skilled fighter. It's also hilarious to hear somebody whose strategy is bullying/shit-talking/intimidating complaining about somebody "running". Hey, maybe that's his strategy to frustrate you and get you off your game. Gee...where have we heard that lately?
 
Gotta love Frankie Edgar. Dude is the champion of the most competitive division in MMA—and he's smaller than most of the division and fights near his walking weight. Just an incredible fighter.

Off the top of my head: BJ Penn stopping Matt Hughes's reign at welterweight and Randy Couture as heavyweight champion in his second run. Two other times when a dude small for a weight class has captured that weight class' gold. That's elite company for Edgar.

Edgar-Henderson is going to be one heck of a fight. I think Edgar has the wrestling to stop Bendo's takedowns and the boxing to keep Bendo at a distance. But, Henderson is a strong lightweight with better jitz. The question is: Can Bendo takedown Edgar, and if he does, can he keep him down?

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Other random news bits:

1. Evans-Jones is official for UFC 145 in Atlanta. On a related note, Greg Jackson, who previously said he'd rather not watch his two boys fight, has now said he's leaning towards being in Jon Jones' corner against, former Jackson camp teammate, Rashad Evans.

2. Cristiane and Evangelista Santos have filed for divorce.
 
[quote name='Chase']1. Evans-Jones is official for UFC 145 in Atlanta. On a related note, Greg Jackson, who previously said he'd rather not watch his two boys fight, has now said he's leaning towards being in Jon Jones' corner against, former Jackson camp teammate, Rashad Evans.

2. Cristiane and Evangelista Santos have filed for divorce.[/QUOTE]

First off, since Evans has pretty much cut all ties with Greg Jackson, I don't see why he shouldn't corner Jones in their fight, especially since he's the Jackon's camp crowned prince.

Secondly, I heard Cristiane is going to finally come out that she's actually man and has been in a relationship with Mike Goldberg for quite some time.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']First off, since Evans has pretty much cut all ties with Greg Jackson, I don't see why he shouldn't corner Jones in their fight, especially since he's the Jackon's camp crowned prince.

Secondly, I heard Cristiane is going to finally come out that she's actually man and has been in a relationship with Mike Goldberg for quite some time.[/QUOTE]


Rashad may now be at the Blackzillans—but Greg Jackson is still close with Rashad. Jackson said that he may have to put personal feelings aside and give Rashad a phone call about being in Jon's corner.

Oh man, the jokes I've seen about the divorce. Crude, awesome stuff. :lol:

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- Legend Fighting Championship welterweight champion Bae Myung Ho is being called "The Asian Chael Sonnen."

- What are your thoughts on Ronda Rousey? What are your thoughts on her opinion that more consideration should be given to octagon control?

- Carlos Condit was really sick before his fight with Nick Diaz. Jackson says Diaz has always been nice to him and isn't a violent person but has to hype himself up to fight. Interesting insight from Greg Jackson on the recent Savage Dog Show.

- If you haven't checked out Esther Lin's photos for 143, you're missing out. Perhaps the best MMA photog in the business.
 
In case you missed it, Carlos Condit has agreed to a rematch with Nick Diaz.

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/383512/Condit-accepts-rematch-with-Diaz/

Nick Diaz fans have to be the whiniest bitches. I hope Carlos Condit hits another spinning back elbow but catches Diaz in the throat and collapses his windpipe. This is utter bullshit.


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Update. Straight from Malki Kawa himself:

"@malkikawa: Rumors about carlos and nick are not true. We haven't been offered any fight nor accepted anything."

Freakin' UG and their agendas.
 
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UG news is not very reliable and too often when they get a "scoop" or a story that hasn't been seen anywhere else it ends up being false in some shape or form. Was hoping it to be true though, especially considering the article had quotes from Condit (obviously fake ones).

In any news, I heard the Cyborgs were only seperated but not yet divorced?
 
[quote name='Chase']
- What are your thoughts on Ronda Rousey? What are your thoughts on her opinion that more consideration should be given to octagon control?

- Carlos Condit was really sick before his fight with Nick Diaz. Jackson says Diaz has always been nice to him and isn't a violent person but has to hype himself up to fight. Interesting insight from Greg Jackson on the recent Savage Dog Show. [/QUOTE]

I think the judges have to be careful with octagon control.

For instance, I think Diaz was the one pressuring the engagement between him and Condit. For almost the entire fight, Condit was walking backwards or spinning from the corner of the cage and resetting himself in the middle. Yes, I realize this was Condit's game plan, but Diaz was still the one advancing. So in that regard, I think if a fighter is pressuring his opponent and walking him down, he should get some credit for that.

On the other hand, I hate to see wrestlers lay and pray their way to a victory. It's one thing if they take their opponent down and inflict damage or look to secure a submission, but there are a lot of fighters out there who look to outpoint their opponent by taking them down repeatedly and not doing anything with their position.

Honestly, I would love to see the UFC use PRIDE's card system where the ref can punish the fighter if they're stalling the fight or using the lay and pray tactic.
 
[quote name='Chase']In case you missed it, Carlos Condit has agreed to a rematch with Nick Diaz.

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/383512/Condit-accepts-rematch-with-Diaz/

Nick Diaz fans have to be the whiniest bitches. I hope Carlos Condit hits another spinning back elbow but catches Diaz in the throat and collapses his windpipe. This is utter bullshit.


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Update. Straight from Malki Kawa himself:

"@malkikawa: Rumors about carlos and nick are not true. We haven't been offered any fight nor accepted anything."

Freakin' UG and their agendas.[/QUOTE]

I don't think the rematch is because of Diaz's fans whining. I think it has more to do with the welterweight division not having legitimate title contenders. It's a fact that GSP is going to be out of action until November at the earliest, so Condit has to defend his belt before then.

Ellenberger is the closest guy you have to a contender, and he's fighting freaking Diego Sanchez ... not really a guy at the top of his division. I'm sure he'll beat Sanchez, but I'd like to see how he beats him before I think he's ready for a rematch with Condit.

There are a couple reasons why a Diaz/Condit rematch makes sense. First off, it's going to sell a crap ton of PPVs, way more than the first. There's going to be even more build up for this fight than the last because now there's a much more intriguing story to go along with the fight.

Secondly, their first fight was just way too close. It could have gone either way, and many fans and fighters think Diaz actually won. I think it's important that Condit has a clear victory over Diaz before he fights GSP. If he eeks out another decision victory over Diaz, then so be it. I just hope this next fight doesn't go to a decision.
 
This rematch pisses me off so fucking much. It is complete horseshit that Diaz gets an immediate rematch. Name me one thing Nick Diaz has done to deserve this.....seriously one fucking thing. He lost the fight (acting like a complete douche during the fight as usual), acted like a bitch afterwards (WAHHHH I lost so I'm going to retire MMA and the World HATES ME!) to now getting an immediate rematch which in turn makes their first fight 100% COMPLETELY USELESS. Dana White is such a fucking joke and this is just one more example of it. Condit should've gotten the winner of Sanchez/Ellenberger. There, that was easy now wasn't it? Diaz should have to work his way back up like every other person who LOST has to. I don't want to have to see/hear from his dumbass for the next 6 months leading up to this rematch. Sometimes I just hate Dana White for having no balls whatsoever.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']I think the judges have to be careful with octagon control.

For instance, I think Diaz was the one pressuring the engagement between him and Condit. For almost the entire fight, Condit was walking backwards or spinning from the corner of the cage and resetting himself in the middle. Yes, I realize this was Condit's game plan, but Diaz was still the one advancing. So in that regard, I think if a fighter is pressuring his opponent and walking him down, he should get some credit for that.

On the other hand, I hate to see wrestlers lay and pray their way to a victory. It's one thing if they take their opponent down and inflict damage or look to secure a submission, but there are a lot of fighters out there who look to outpoint their opponent by taking them down repeatedly and not doing anything with their position.

Honestly, I would love to see the UFC use PRIDE's card system where the ref can punish the fighter if they're stalling the fight or using the lay and pray tactic.[/QUOTE]How much octagon control does Diaz have when Condit can duck out with ease? Diaz pushes the fight to the outside and Condit puts in back in the center. Not much octagon control there to win the fight for Diaz.
 
Sadly I'd say Condit won on octagon control.Most people believe its just whoever is pressing forward and more often then not it is,but Condit was the one controlling the fight and dictating where it went and not letting Diaz work his gameplan at all.

Pride rules in a ring though and I think Diaz would've taken it.That said I can still find humor in all of the Condit running jokes and was disappointed in the fight expecting FOTY even if that would've been really hard to live up to.
 
Any opinions on UFC undisputed 3? Don't think there's a dedicated thread for it. I thed the demo and I like'd it. But i feel like the ground game could be better. Also takedown's seemed harder to come by. I would try for a take down and end up in a muay thai clinch. The gamestop timed exclusive fighters are appealing but I'm gonna go with amazon and just buy the fighter later.
 
[quote name='Chase']Big rumor floating from reputable sources say that Nick Diaz's UFC 143 tests tested positive for weed.[/QUOTE]

Ha...not surprised. And this is who they want fighting GSP for the title? Personally, I don't care if people smoke weed. But if he's a main eventer and a potential title challenger, he's in the spotlight, and he's representing the sport. This is not the image MMA needs. How long is it going to take the UFC to figure out this guy is trash and doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself?

[quote name='urmomlikesme']Any opinions on UFC undisputed 3? Don't think there's a dedicated thread for it. I thed the demo and I like'd it. But i feel like the ground game could be better. Also takedown's seemed harder to come by. I would try for a take down and end up in a muay thai clinch. The gamestop timed exclusive fighters are appealing but I'm gonna go with amazon and just buy the fighter later.[/QUOTE]

Indeed there is. I posted most of my impressions in there.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=313188
 
[quote name='urmomlikesme']Any opinions on UFC undisputed 3? Don't think there's a dedicated thread for it. I thed the demo and I like'd it. But i feel like the ground game could be better. Also takedown's seemed harder to come by. I would try for a take down and end up in a muay thai clinch. The gamestop timed exclusive fighters are appealing but I'm gonna go with amazon and just buy the fighter later.[/QUOTE]


Feels more fluid than the previous games. The ground game still has yet to replicate real MMA, but it's decent. Glad to see they used EA MMA's sub system. The standing striking game is still quite good.

One minor quibble is that they should have fatigue factor into defense depending on a fighter's condition. Someone like Quinton Jackson tires going into later rounds. In the game, they should add a fatigue system where his hands will tire and drop. Players would have to keep an eye out and press RB again to get his hands back up or else they'd be more open to strikes.

I would also like limb damage. Thiago Alves spends two rounds chopping down Matt Hughes. No reason why Hughes wouldn't be showing a slight limp.

Down to the smallest detail, I'd like random nut kicks and eye pokes added to the game. Nothing that can be abused by players. Just random events.

Edit:

I got sidetracked. :oops: This is why I came back to the thread.

http://www.facebook.com/UFCUndisputed?sk=app_161379357295384

One day left to get Overeem for free. :)

Edit 2:

N8, I think it's as people have said: If Nick Diaz could make $200,000 a year doing triathlons, he'd never fight again. Over his entire career, Nick has given the impression that he doesn't like to fight (regardless to the fact that he's a great fighter).

And I absolutely agree that this dude should not represent the 170 division/sport. I like Nick as an underdog, but not when he's being completely irrational.
 
Don't have Facebook. Any cag want to be nice and use their account to get me a code for Overeem? :)

edit: never mind got a buddy to do it for me.
 
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The immediate rematch makes sense from the UFC's point of view since the way Condit won does nothing to hype up a potential title fight with GSP, and the UFC wants Diaz/GSP 100x more then Condit/GSP. I would be worried about Condit getting robbed if he fights anywhere similarly to how he did in their first fight.
 
They should have a Koscheck vs Pierce rematch as well since that one was a lot closer with the split decision. But that won't bring in any money at all, so it's not going to happen lol.
 
This is one of those times where Dana is showing how big of a prick he can be. It has been obvious to everyone that Diaz/GSP is the matchup that they want. What bothers me is that Condit without question has earned the title shot but since Diaz would get a lot more PPV buys all that gets thrown out the window. I'm sure if you asked Dana to his face his decision for the immediate rematch wouldn't have anything to do with wanting Diaz/GSP. Are we supposed to believe that if the roles were reversed Condit would get the immediate rematch? I didn't think so either, Dana White is an asshole.
 
It's the thing that drives me insane about combat competitive sports: politics drives every-fucking-thing. I sometimes wonder why there is even effort to establish rankings when Diaz-Condit II can happen in a fortnight and Pacquiao-Mayweather will forever be a pipe dream.
 
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Love Cesar Gracie's comment at the end: "there will be no rematch". I don't know how he can continue to stand by Diaz. After all the crap when he was originally scheduled to fight GSP and now this. Nick Diaz needs a fucking intervention, lol.
 
What an idiot.

Speaking of weed usage, Joe Rogan sounds high as fuck on the latest podcast. I know he usually he is but so far on episode 182 it sounds even more so than usual.
 
I think it's a bit sad how some fans just can't accept the truth. (And this is coming from a dude who actively refers to Chael Sonnen as the current Middleweight champion of the world. Yes, I know Chael lost.) Instead of "Nick Diaz messed up; maybe next time," I'm seeing "WHY IS TRT LEGAL AND POT AINT" popping up in arguments blocks on Twitter. That's just sad.

Ken Foss hit it on the nail: "209 faithful, like Tyson apologists, are the kind that would make excuses for him even if he murdered/raped someone."

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Michael Bisping has left Wolfslair.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/27358/michael-bisping-splits-from-longtime-team-at-wolfslair.mma

Hmm. I'm not a fan of the guy as a person, but he's a good points fighter. Somewhat interested to see where he ends up.

Speaking of Wolfslair . . . Hopefully, Quinton Jackson leaves and joins AKA. They have been fated for some time now.
 
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So basically what we're getting out of this is even if Diaz would have won, he still would not have been a recognized UFC champion and had something to bitch about at this point in time.

“People say that marijuana is going to hurt my career. On the contrary, my fight career is getting in the way of my marijuana smoking.” –Nick Diaz, 2007

Bless you, you fucking waste of talent.
 
I don't care how much you despise the guy, and I'm not defending Diaz, but getting punished for pot is one of the most ridiculous things surrounding sports today.

Though I'll admit to being quite satisfied that we won't be seeing a Diaz-Condit rematch.
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']I don't care how much you despise the guy, and I'm not defending Diaz, but getting punished for pot is one of the most ridiculous things surrounding sports today.

Though I'll admit to being quite satisfied that we won't be seeing a Diaz-Condit rematch.[/QUOTE]


While I don't partake and never will, I have nothing against marijuana advocates and don't demonize them like some do. However, marijuana is illegal until it's legal. If he's going to smoke pot, he needs to show some professionalism and, like Michael Phelps, temporarily stop smoking so he can do his job. Nick Diaz seems a bit too reliant on the stuff to lessen his crazy anxiety issues.


[quote name='ced']So basically what we're getting out of this is even if Diaz would have won, he still would not have been a recognized UFC champion and had something to bitch about at this point in time.

“People say that marijuana is going to hurt my career. On the contrary, my fight career is getting in the way of my marijuana smoking.” –Nick Diaz, 2007

Bless you, you fucking waste of talent.[/QUOTE]


Dana White has to be incredibly hesitant to have Nick Diaz return to the UFC title picture. If he had won, and tested positive, the UFC would lose what ever legitimacy it has created amongst the mainstream as a sport.

If I were one of the Zuffa brass balls, I'd send Diaz back to Strikeforce. He lacks the professionalism to attend press events, stay clean so he can pass the commission tests, and has expressed that he doesn't care about his job. In Strikeforce, he can run amuck, and beat up lower-and-mid-level tier dudes to sate the idiot portion of his fanbase.

You know what's telling? White seemed genuinely disappointed in Nick Diaz and actually handled the situation quite well (as opposed to exploding and attacking in typical Dana White fashion). That can't be good for Diaz.
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']Haha rumors that Anon hacked the NSAC database and turned Diaz's test into a positive for weed.[/QUOTE]

It's outright foolhardy to think that there was a hacking of the results considering that 1) Nate has been popped for pissing hot before, 2) it disregards any possibility that 5 days later the NSAC would still have physical documentation of the test results and 3) it completely bypasses a more plausible (depending on the levels) "Ate hemp, false positive" theory.

On a complete sidenote, I visited the Sherdog forums for the first time. I remember why I keep my MMA/boxing fandom on the down-low.
 
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