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Yeah I know you weren't saying they won her the fight, I'm just saying she only shot for so few takedowns for good reason. She knew she couldn't wet blanket on Baszler like he did against Akano after she got put in that kneebar and escaped - I don't know how. She was in a "pick-your-poison" fight where apparently she had the fight on the cards the whole time...?
 
So, I return from Hawaiʻi, and see that Nick Diaz has asked to fight Anderson Silva. Unlike most opinions out there, I think that's an intriguing fight. That fight would be a head-to-head collision of two bulls. It's difficult to bet against Silva. Best chance at beating Silva goes to Chris Weidman, in my estimation. Not because the hype says he has the best chance, but because he has a strong wrestling base with somewhat impressive striking. But, everyone's chin is questionable against Silva.

What people seem to miss about Brandon Vera or Mauricio Rua receiving a crack at Jon Jones is that this decision by Zuffa shows that perhaps Jones is considering a weight division change or that they're setting the ground for a Silva-Jones super-fight.
 
Even Machida and Bader have a chance at a title shot if one of them wins more spectacularly. Doesn't matter though, the division is in a tough spot and nobody being talked about is an interesting matchup for even drunk Bones.
 
I have some intrigue in a Teixeira-Jones title fight. However, there is no one else in the division that shows any promise. Maybe Gustafsson, but he seems to lack the killer instinct needed to best Jones.

According to Jesse Denis, today has yielded a few fights. Of course, this is dependent on everyone staying healthy, which has shown difficult in 2012. Interesting pairs. I am unsure how Story-Maia will play out, but Carmont shows quick progress and should win. Brenneman is unreliable, and I'd probably pick Noke.
 
Carmont would struggle big time against a guy like Lawlor, who is a better striker and a very good wrestler in his own right. Noke/Brenneman is interesting because Noke is a decent striker but if he can't beat the takedowns, he won't submit Brenneman.

Story/Maia should be interesting, especially since we will see Maia in action for more then 7 seconds.

Five out of those six guys are probably going to get injured and replaced though.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing Machida-Jones again. I thought Machida did well in the first round and was doing good in the second until he basically walked into a punch.. His aggressiveness really surprised me. I think with a couple of adjustments he could do better and make it interesting. Im not saying he would win and I would still pick Jones, but I think hes the best possible match up out of the four guys.

Its pretty bad..those are four of the upper guys in the division and Jones has finished every single one of them. Alexander Gustafsson is injured and needs a couple of more fights. I've been a huge fan of Glover Teixeira for years but we need to see how good he really is. Its obvious hes a skilled fighter but beating up Ricco Rodriguez and Marvin Eastman...hell even Kyle Kingsbury doesn't tell us much. Assuming he beats Rampage, give him Thiago Silva for his next fight or Bader if he loses to Machida.
 
Feels weird to return to MMA discourse. But anyhow—

I have no high opinion on Tom Lawlor or Francis Carmont. Lawlor should have the grappling edge while Carmont should have a slight strength advantage with a solid reach. Their fight will be decided in the standing strikes. Carmont has loss by TKO to Ross Pointon of all people, so I have no confidence in his chin. Lawlor has fought strong guys with supposed heavy hands and has yet to be stopped. I give Lawlor the edge as he's fought better competition. However, this is MMA. Ryan Jimmo has showed that anything is possible.

I think we can all agree that 205 is a mess. If I had my way, I'd have the most impressive win between Machida-Bader and Rua-Vera fight the winner of Jackson-Teixeira (which will be Teixeira). That would be a good evaluation for Teixeira. However, after Jones weathers Henderson for a round or two, and forces him to submit, the timelines won't match up to where Jones will have a contender. I suppose this is why Machida/Bader/Rua/Vera will receive a title shot.

The timing of this tag team of contender fights is pretty weird for Gustafsson. Who the heck does he fight next? Lil Nog as originally planned way back in April? All things considered, Pokrajac probably gets injured and we get Gustafsson versus a returning Vinny Magalhaes. Hopefully, as that would be a very interesting fight. Otherwise, there is no one in the division that isn't already scheduled to fight or hasn't recently fought.

In the future, it could be a post-Jones era where fuckin' Ryan Jimmo is a top contender.
 
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UFC on FOX 4 is tonight. Actually, the first prelim fight just saw a conclusion. ;)

$ = small bet
$$ = moderate bet
$$$ = large bet

I like

Moraga over Gomez $$$
Omigawa over Gamburyan $$
De Fries over Thompson
Grispi over Yahya (but I think it's close)
Davis over Prado (but I think it's close)
Miller over Phan
Johnson over Swick (but I think it's close) $
Lauzon over Varner (but I think it's a toss-up) $
Machida over Bader (in the safest fight on the card)
Rua over Vera (though I have a small play on Vera) $
 
Well, I have a profit, thus far, on the night. (Thanks to Moraga). Just put some money on a "Fight won't go the distance" prop parlay for three fights. I think it's safe. Guess which three and win a prize.

Varner can definitely beat Lauzon, which is why my play on Lauzon is a small one. :)
 
Damn, Varner put up a good fight, definitely looked gassed like Joe Rogan said.

Lauzon is one of the more inconsistent fighters, in my mind. If he could ever string 3 or 4 wins together, he'd be right there for a title shot. I have no idea how he lost to Pettis so badly.
 
^ lauzon doesn't train with elite level kickboxers/tkd blackbelts and never saw the kick coming high. shit was fast.

anyhoo, amazing card tonight. funny how the free one destroys the previous 2 ppvs. only picked the main card fights +phan/miller and won all 5.
 
As a fight fan, tonight has been most satisfying. Just fantastic, fun fights. Too bad we weren't treated to chaos in the main event, but overall, a great night.

Check my Twitter for my bet report on the night. ;)
 
Great card. Machida gets the title shot. He probably was the most impressive, but I would have probably given it to Rua just because it's been longer since he fought Jones. But most here (including myself) seem to think it's all an effort in futility, as Jones will walk over any of them.

Super excited for my favorite fighter Benson Henderson next week. I think he'll take Frankie again, I'd love to see him finish Frankie but I don't know if it's even possible to finish him.
 
Props to Brandon Vera on a great performance. Was a very good fight and I was very impressed to see him go toe to toe with Shogun. Out of the 4, I think Machida definitely would make for the better fight at the title. Pretty excited for Edgar vs Henderson next weekend
 
Fantastic fights tonight. Lauzon-Varner is why I love MMA. I would've had no problems with Varner winning but Lauzon is one of my favorites and I always root for him...jumped out of my couch and screamed when Varner tapped to that triangle.
 
Even though Machida fought Jones more recently, I think he's more deserving of the title shot. As Dana said, he just looks hungrier. For Shogun to gas in the 2nd round after spending much of the 1st round in top position on the ground just makes no sense. Vera looked "better", but part of me feels that it was more Shogun looking sloppy. He needs to get his shit together if he wants to challenge for a title because Jones would easily put him out again as soon as he started throwing those big looping punches. Not impressed.

Machida also "did the best" against Jones, but I feel that was more because Jones was treating him like a cat treats a ball of yarn. He toyed with him for the entire first round, even allowing himself to get clipped a couple times. But as soon as he got Machida up against the cage and took him down, it was a massacre. I fully believe that Jones could put him out in 30 seconds if he felt like it.

Of course, all of this is assuming Jones doesn't dick around with Henderson though, who does have the power to knock him out with one punch. I'm a huge Jon Jones fan, but I feel like he's due for a hiccup, and taking a fighter too lightly seems like the most obvious possibility. Henderson would be a bad choice to do that against.
 
^shogun's fatigue was a result of being hit. cardio doesn't stay the same when ur actually in a fight getting punched and kicked and elbowed. machida's ko over bader was more 'impressive' because bader could hardly touch him. it looked like a glorified training session with a rookie sparring partner. machida is awesome but tito already proved bader's kryptonite is the short right hand.
 
Found myself cheering for Vera the underdog here and in an odd way he sort of came off as a winner in this fight despite still losing.Shogun looked bad again tonight.Its not just tonight though hes started to look worse lately overall.Everyone already knows about how inconsistent his cardio has been and how injury prone he can be but his skills look like they're starting to decline too, noticeably in the footwork area he doesn't move around like he use to.It honestly shouldn't have been as close as it was.

Went 6-3-1 tonight overall and for bets went with 50 on Varner at -110 and 50 on Yayha at +140 for an overall profit of 20$.Ended up getting the Varner/Lauzon,Miller/Phan and Gomez vs. Moraga fights wrong.
 
[quote name='technicalstylez']^shogun's fatigue was a result of being hit. cardio doesn't stay the same when ur actually in a fight getting punched and kicked and elbowed.[/QUOTE]

You're acting like he was dominated in the 1st round. He clearly won the round and spent a good portion of it on top. He came out in the 2nd round breathing heavy and looking slow. He even talked about getting too tired too quickly in the post fight interview. What fight were you watching?
 
[quote name='technicalstylez']^shogun's fatigue was a result of being hit. cardio doesn't stay the same when ur actually in a fight getting punched and kicked and elbowed. machida's ko over bader was more 'impressive' because bader could hardly touch him. it looked like a glorified training session with a rookie sparring partner. machida is awesome but tito already proved bader's kryptonite is the short right hand.[/QUOTE]

Nope. He didn't get hit at all in the first round and was tired come the second...he didn't train because it was Vera I suspect. He took him lightly and when he didn't get him out in 7 minutes he gassed out and got in a dogfight.
 
Chiming in with the fantastic card sentiment. I was happy to see vera fighting like he wasnt scared, being aggressive, and generally looking much better than he has in a while.

Every fight on the main card was extremely entertaining, the only mark on the card as a whole was the prado poke.
 
[quote name='shotgunshine']Fantastic fights tonight. Lauzon-Varner is why I love MMA. I would've had no problems with Varner winning but Lauzon is one of my favorites and I always root for him...jumped out of my couch and screamed when Varner tapped to that triangle.[/QUOTE]


I had chills at the Lauzon finish. Dude never disappoints and has made my profits soar (inside the distance for Varner, over Varner, and various plays in the Guillard fight). I have nothing but love for the guy. I even had a play on him over Pettis because that's how much confidence I have in his abilities.

In my opinion, Lauzon ranks higher than Guillard at 155. I have interest in Lauzon versus the winner of Guillard-Cerrone or against Maynard, or even perhaps a rematch with Stout—though Stout's a little too far down the ladder. If by some miracle Guillard beats Cerrone, I think it's a necessity to see Lauzon-Guillard 2. I have less enthusiasm for Lauzon-Cerrone because, let's face it, Cerrone is a beast. Cerrone is in a motocross accident where he has to roll back his intestines into my body—and two weeks later he fights—and dominates—a powerful Jeremy Stephens. Lauzon is tenacious—but that is a different level of beast.

[quote name='Magiblaze']Found myself cheering for Vera the underdog here and in an odd way he sort of came off as a winner in this fight despite still losing.Shogun looked bad again tonight.Its not just tonight though hes started to look worse lately overall.Everyone already knows about how inconsistent his cardio has been and how injury prone he can be but his skills look like they're starting to decline too, noticeably in the footwork area he doesn't move around like he use to.It honestly shouldn't have been as close as it was.

Went 6-3-1 tonight overall and for bets went with 50 on Varner at -110 and 50 on Yayha at +140 for an overall profit of 20$.Ended up getting the Varner/Lauzon,Miller/Phan and Gomez vs. Moraga fights wrong.[/QUOTE]


I did a little innovation and have a new system in place. I made bank with Moraga, took a small loss with Omigawa, and had a little steamroll for the rest of the night (Lauzon plays, Machida plays, various parlays, etc.). ...And then Murray beat Federer and Del Potro beat Djokovic. ($$$.) A fairly good weekend for money.

My cheers also went to Vera. Like Gamburyan, Rua has been on a decline. Body is a mess and his fighter age is high. Can't help but correlate his decaying cardio with his one-good-leg-kick-away-from-retirement knees. I have nothing but praise for Vera. I had no expectation of a dominate performance, and he did precisely what I thought he could do for Brandon Vera. (I gave R2 to Vera, by the way.)

Gotta say: I may take Gustafsson over Rua, and will lay big change on Teixeira over Rua. I think we all know why Rua has been ducking Teixeira. Teixeira would (perhaps literally) kill him.

Small news: Rory MacDonald-BJ Penn has seen postponement to a later date due to a bad cut on MacDonald's eyebrow.

And my play on Wagner Prado should have seen bank. They should have given Prado the DQ win. Prado could not continue from an illegal strike. In what world is that not a DQ? (I may play Prado again. Something was just in the air that night. Dunno if I'll feel the same in the future.)
 
[quote name='Chase'] I did a little innovation and have a new system in place. I made bank with Moraga, took a small loss with Omigawa, and had a little steamroll for the rest of the night (Lauzon plays, Machida plays, various parlays, etc.). ...And then Murray beat Federer and Del Potro beat Djokovic. ($$$.) A fairly good weekend for money.

My cheers also went to Vera. Like Gamburyan, Rua has been on a decline. Body is a mess and his fighter age is high. Can't help but correlate his decaying cardio with his one-good-leg-kick-away-from-retirement knees. I have nothing but praise for Vera. I had no expectation of a dominate performance, and he did precisely what I thought he could do for Brandon Vera. (I gave R2 to Vera, by the way.)

Gotta say: I may take Gustafsson over Rua, and will lay big change on Teixeira over Rua. I think we all know why Rua has been ducking Teixeira. Teixeira would (perhaps literally) kill him.

Small news: Rory MacDonald-BJ Penn has seen postponement to a later date due to a bad cut on MacDonald's eyebrow.

And my play on Wagner Prado should have seen bank. They should have given Prado the DQ win. Prado could not continue from an illegal strike. In what world is that not a DQ? (I may play Prado again. Something was just in the air that night. Dunno if I'll feel the same in the future.)[/QUOTE]

I know you know the rules of combat sports, so why do you say such a thing about the Prado fight? It was an unintentional foul and the first (and last) eyepoke of the fight. There was no way a DQ was going to occur when it was an accidental foul that stopped the fight. It isn't like Davis went and headbutt his eye and they stopped it.
 
I was at the staples center with great seats and man, was it fuckING AWESOME! SO INTENSE!

lol when mike swick got the KO EVERYONE LOST THEIR SHIT! hahaha it was awesome seeing all 16,000 people stand up and cheer!
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']I know you know the rules of combat sports, so why do you say such a thing about the Prado fight? It was an unintentional foul and the first (and last) eyepoke of the fight. There was no way a DQ was going to occur when it was an accidental foul that stopped the fight. It isn't like Davis went and headbutt his eye and they stopped it.[/QUOTE]


True. I'm just bitter that the line will probably be a wee bit lower on Prado heading into the reschedule. (Prado's line saw end at +550 heading into the fight. I think he'll be down to, say, around +300 for the date change.) Last Saturday, while brief, Davis put himself in a bad position before the eyepoke. I had a strong gut feeling that Prado would achieve the upset. Right now, I don't feel the same.
 
Dos Santos wants to duck Cain and fight Overreem and Dana is cool with this. So dude gets suspended for a year for being dirty, calls out the Champ while on suspension and is currently in the mix for his first fight back being for the championship. Weak.
 
Overroid may have cheated but he is still on a big win streak whereas Cain was already KO'd with essentially one punch from Dos Santos and his only win since then was over Antonio Silva. I don't like Overeem but he has more claim to a title shot then Velasquez does.

P.S. I doubt JDS is "ducking" a guy that he already KO'd in like 50 seconds. KO Overeem then go after Velasquez again sounds fine.
 
I don't think he has more of a claim coming off from a one year suspension. Overeem is going to get TKO via punches for sure. I want to see Cain and JDS go at it again. Let's see what happens when they "really fight" (as in longer than a one hit KO).
 
[quote name='DT778']I don't think he has more of a claim coming off from a one year suspension. Overeem is going to get TKO via punches for sure. I want to see Cain and JDS go at it again. Let's see what happens when they "really fight" (as in longer than a one hit KO).[/QUOTE]

Cain is injury prone and takes time off himself. I don't like Overeem at all but the fact that he got suspended for a year doesn't make any difference as far as rankings go.There is no way Velasquez, who already lost in 50 seconds to JDS should be in higher title contention then Overeem. I say let Overeem get KO'd and have Cain fighting at the same time (on the same card) against a decent but beatable guy and then JDS and Cain fight on a future card.Velasquez's team is stupid to say JDS is ducking him right now...
 
Velasquez's team is stupid to say JDS is ducking him right now...
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It worked for Overeem. Cain should do some more, maybe call him a pussy on twitter. That seems the way UFC loves to make fights. "These guys really hate each other! Now this is the new most anticipated fight in UFC history!"
 
[quote name='Chase']I had chills at the Lauzon finish. Dude never disappoints and has made my profits soar (inside the distance for Varner, over Varner, and various plays in the Guillard fight). I have nothing but love for the guy. I even had a play on him over Pettis because that's how much confidence I have in his abilities.

In my opinion, Lauzon ranks higher than Guillard at 155. I have interest in Lauzon versus the winner of Guillard-Cerrone or against Maynard, or even perhaps a rematch with Stout—though Stout's a little too far down the ladder. If by some miracle Guillard beats Cerrone, I think it's a necessity to see Lauzon-Guillard 2. I have less enthusiasm for Lauzon-Cerrone because, let's face it, Cerrone is a beast. Cerrone is in a motocross accident where he has to roll back his intestines into my body—and two weeks later he fights—and dominates—a powerful Jeremy Stephens. Lauzon is tenacious—but that is a different level of beast.




I did a little innovation and have a new system in place. I made bank with Moraga, took a small loss with Omigawa, and had a little steamroll for the rest of the night (Lauzon plays, Machida plays, various parlays, etc.). ...And then Murray beat Federer and Del Potro beat Djokovic. ($$$.) A fairly good weekend for money.

My cheers also went to Vera. Like Gamburyan, Rua has been on a decline. Body is a mess and his fighter age is high. Can't help but correlate his decaying cardio with his one-good-leg-kick-away-from-retirement knees. I have nothing but praise for Vera. I had no expectation of a dominate performance, and he did precisely what I thought he could do for Brandon Vera. (I gave R2 to Vera, by the way.)

Gotta say: I may take Gustafsson over Rua, and will lay big change on Teixeira over Rua. I think we all know why Rua has been ducking Teixeira. Teixeira would (perhaps literally) kill him.

Small news: Rory MacDonald-BJ Penn has seen postponement to a later date due to a bad cut on MacDonald's eyebrow.

And my play on Wagner Prado should have seen bank. They should have given Prado the DQ win. Prado could not continue from an illegal strike. In what world is that not a DQ? (I may play Prado again. Something was just in the air that night. Dunno if I'll feel the same in the future.)[/QUOTE]

Glover Texiera has been getting a lot of hype and I don't understand why? Who has he beat? I'm just gonna wait and see how Glover fares against Rampage at UFC 153 to see if he is the real deal.
 
[quote name='Metal Militia']Glover Texiera has been getting a lot of hype and I don't understand why? Who has he beat? I'm just gonna wait and see how Glover fares against Rampage at UFC 153 to see if he is the real deal.[/QUOTE]


Fair point. But, Rua has been on a steady decline. If Teixeira scores a dominate UD or finishes Rampage, I think he'd hurt Rua. Rua has a good chin, but every chin will fade. Just a matter of when. He is approaching 10 years as a fighter, with a long tenure at Chute Boxe, and a history training as a fighter since he was 15. Rua has been through wars against tough dudes. When his chin goes, I think it will be exceptionally ugly. Chuck-Liddell-level ugly.
 
Glover has potential but his resume is pretty mediocre. I wish he would have made his UFC debut all those years ago instead of getting up to the 30s in age now (I believe) with limited higher-level experience.

I expect him to rip up Rampage with superior striking but I hope that Glover gets smashed with a solid shot...I want to see how he takes it. You can't win against Rua without a strong chin so if he is getting hurt by Rampage at all, he'll be in big trouble with Mauricio!
 
Shit. I hit refresh. Probably for the better, as my post went rather long.

Main points I went into detail:

-Fighters who have yet to test their mettle, like Jimmo and Teixeira, are wildcards. Unproven but don't count them out.

-Teixeira beat a Rameau Sokoudjou in his prime (before Sokou beat a prime Lil' Nog and Arona). Jimmo should have lost a decision to Sokou in 2011, could barely best a 2009 Eastman, and beat up an old man for his UFC debut. Teixeira's SUB win over Kingsbury is better than any of Jimmo's wins. I'd do Jimmo-Teixeira—if 205 had more depth.

-Jackson is no Perosh. Jackson is actually strong in one area where I feel Teixeira may be weaker: Wrestling. Totally possible that Jackson out-wrestles Teixeira and steals a decision. Plus, at 205, just about everyone throws hard. Depends on how hard Jackson trains for his final UFC fight. If his fight with Bader is any indication, Teixeira should win. But, earning a finish over Jackson, even in 2012, is quite a feet. Jackson has three rounds to score the upset.

-Should be a fun, interesting fight.


Also, speculation:

-Lotta buzz that Anderson Silva may drop to 170 to fight Georges St-Pierre.

-Some buzz that Cristiane Santos may drop to 135 to fight Ronda Rousey.
 
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Couple friends and i decided to go the event last minute on saturday at Staples since there were cheap tickets still available. My first ufc/mma event, I honestly couldn't see much but i still had a blast!

I didnt know what had happened for sure in that Phil Davis / Prado fight untill after the whole event. I though Prado had gotten disqualified for a really bad illegal shot or something they way he reacted. Watching the event again last night on Fuel, didn't know how bad ass the whole card really was.

Classic Dragon, just jumping back, playing defense, filling up that Super bar, and then BAM! Ultra Combo Finish. :lol: I thought Rua also had a decent fight, more surprised on Veras performance. Both were fucken gased do, man.

http://www.craveonline.com/sports/articles/193687-the-tommy-toe-hold-show-episode-23
 
Lots of talk about what's going on in 205 as well as Cain possibly having to take another fight before getting a shot at the belt again. I wouldn't mind watching Cain vs Carwin while JDS and Reem go at it. JDS and Cains first encounter was pretty disappointing but that's the nature of the sport, it happens. I was hoping for a clash but maybe it's good that he lost. Some fighters come back super strong, but some fall off (Miguel Torres gaaaah)

Anywho, I think that's enough of that in this thread. We're only 2 days away from Henderson vs Edgar II and nothing at all on that?! I'm honestly not sure which way to lean on that. After their first fight you can just see the size advantage Henderson had, ridiculous. Though size doesn't always matter, I definitely think it played a role. I think I'm going to favor Henderson again. Definitely not counting Frankie out though. Can't wait!
 
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I think most people aren't talking about it, because other then that fight, and Guillard-Cerrone, its not that great of a card. Jake Shields-Ed Herman? Yushin Okami-Buddy Roberts? Yikes. With that said, i'll still be ordering just to see the main event, which should be another fantastic fight. I keep going back and forth on who is going to take it...its really a toss up. Its going to come down to who makes the better adjustments from the first fight. Im going to go ahead and pick Henderson to win by decision.

Guillard-Cerrone should also be fun. I like Cerrone to win. He has a more varied striking attack mixing in punches and kicks, uses his reach well, has a great submission game, rock solid chin, and hes just tough as hell. Guillard has power and speed, and probably the better wrestling. Guillard could always crack Cerrone, but I think Cowboy is tough enough to weather a storm if Guillard does catch him. I think Cerrone gets the better of him on the feet, eventually hurts him or forces Guillard to do something dumb like go for a takedown, and Cerrone finishes it with a sub.
 
Jesus Christ, did Ed Herman just job to Jake Shields? That had to be the worst fight strategy I've ever seen. You'd think he's never seen Shields fight before. From the damn opening bell, Herman is clinching him against the cage and trying to take him down. "Gee...my opponent has some of the worst striking in the UFC...and I don't have to worry about getting KO'd AT ALL...I think I'll try to take him down!" fucking retarded.

Shields is still horrible. I can't exactly call this a lay & pray win because at times he was trying to do "something", but god damn, even his ground striking is terrible. He could do more damage swinging an old lady's purse than he could his fists. The fact that he thinks he's going to get a shot against Anderson Silva is laughable. I don't even think he could beat Yushin Okami. Anybody who fights with half a brain could beat Shields. So sick of watching him dry hump his way to victory.

Thank God Cerrone vs Guillard is next. Somebody is getting KO'd here!
 
Yeah...I realize my KO prediction was pretty much a sure thing, but DAMN! lol. Because of how stunned Melvin was from that kick, Cowboy was able to load up that punch from a mile away. He took like three steps and just launched that shit, lol. Can't believe one punch put Guillard out so hard!

So glad the last two fights are Lightweights. Easily the best division in MMA.
 
Damn at that ending to Cerrone-Guillard....that was great.


I agree Nate, Herman is an idiot. Why was he willingly engaging in the clinch? I was screaming at the TV when he did that. I also never need to see Shields fight again...his fights are dreadfully fucking boring.

7-2 on my picks so far...dont let me down, Henderson!
 
I dont think Frankie did enough to take the belt away.

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Still champ! Bendo!. REALLY close fight, closer than the first time, geez. Really tough call... Just dont think Frankie did enough over all.
 
Feels like the reverse of their last fight.Had it 49-46 for Edgar so feels like a bit of a robbery even though I felt Bendo clearly won their first fight.Had a parlay on Okami/Cerrone and a single bet on Bendo so can't complain too much.
 
Say what you want about the first time they fought, but that decision was horseshit. One judge thinks Frankie won 4 out of 5 rounds and the other two think he lost 3 out of 5? Yup, nothing wrong with the clarity of that scoring system. Once again, the striking statistics somehow show Henderson coming out ahead, yet he didn't really do anything significant after the brutal leg kicks in the 1st round. Meanwhile, Frankie gets 2 knockdowns, 2-3 submission attempts, some nice leg kicks of his own, and gets no respect.

I don't think anybody could argue that Frankie didn't do better in this fight than he did in the first one...and that one was close. It's bullshit that they can take his belt away in a close fight...but can't give it back to him the same way. If I was Frankie, I'd say fuck 155, and drop to 145. Not because he can't compete, but because what he does is just perceived differently than what the "stronger" guy does. I actually like Henderson too...but winning like this is making him look bad.
 
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[quote name='Magiblaze']Feels like the reverse of their last fight.Had it 49-46 for Edgar so feels like a bit of a robbery even though I felt Bendo clearly won their first fight.[/QUOTE]


Yup. I agree 100%...when I heard 48-47 twice I knew they were going to give it to Henderson. That sucks for Frankie. Bad judging strikes again.
 
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