MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) Thread: UFC/Strikeforce

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Got lucky again in picks and went 8 out of 9 and got all 4 of my boost.Guess I forgot to add a 5th I suppose.Got 5 perfect and afterwards I'm ranked #24 overall so my luck kept up for tonight.

Not that it matters but I think 205 is a better weight class for Jardine but for all I know retirement could be next being 2-7-1 in his last 10.Not that moving back up would save his career or anything,I just think hes do slightly slightly better and would feel better not having to do that cut.Arguably that draw should've been a loss making him 2-8.
 
6 of 9 on my Strikeforce picks. Marquardt looked good tonight..especially considering a year layoff...didn't help that Woodley for the most of the fight, looked awful. The ending elbows and uppercut was sick.


Amir is done..he should just quit. His chin is too much of a liability...he really will suffer brain damage one day if he keeps fighting the way he does. Its time to call it a day or completely change the way he fights.
 
Khan/Garcia was a GREAT fight. I don't know how anyone could say that Khan has a weak chin when Garcia was dropping bombs after that punch to the neck and Khan was still in it. Khan got every chance in the book from Bayless, which surprised me because it was clear that Khan was done. No one can say that he doesn't have heart though. Another thing I don't understand is why Khan didn't just box the guy. It's clear that Khan has the skill and speed, but going toe-to-toe with anyone is just asking for trouble; suspect chin or not. Not to take away from a good win for Garcia, but he was throwing some wild motherfucking left hooks that last round like he was trying spin Khan around like in a cartoon. Not good form at all and we was lucky he didn't get tagged with a lucky shot that could've dropped him too.

A couple of KO's doesn't mean a career is done, but I agree that Khan needs to rethink his current style.
 
If hes not going to bother trying to change up his style and or work on his defensive flaws then there is no reason for him to keep fighting because he will continued to be rocked/knocked out by good fighters(and sometimes not so good fighters like Bredis Prescott) I like Khan but he hasen't evolved from the guy who ''punches really fast''. He has a world of talent but fighting the way he does just isn't going to cut it anymore.
 
And he did show a ton of heart last night...credit to him for trying to soldier on but I was glad Bayless stopped it when he did.
 
Boxing is ridiculously easy to bet compared to MMA. Most of my research is simply a check to see contract stipulations and how people build "the story." From there, research is just a simple once-over their record and a judgement call. That's why I bet Bradley over Pacquiao (around +400) and Garcia over Khan (+500). Just easy money. I don't need to do a comprehensive breakdown per fight for the past many years or observe this and that, like I do with MMA. Keep the fix coming, boxing. I can't complain.

Ced, if I remember correctly, I gave R3 to Jardine.

Shotgun, to an extent, I agree. However, Woodley looks fast and strong, on the feet, and even, to my displeasure, rocked Marquardt with a solid left(?) hand. What helped Woodley lose is that his cardio has been questionable. He swarmed a dude with a solid chin and spent a lot of his energy trying to finish. In addition to his questionable cardio and somewhat questionable FIGHT IQ, he has yet to evolve his SS game. Woodley could evolve into a Rashad Evans-type fighter if he keeps evolving; a good wrestler with above-average hands and speed.
 
Maybe he was tired.. he looked weird to me out there for most of the fight. After he got tagged in the first he really seemed scared to do much of anything.. I was wondering if he was hurt, scared, or tired. Then in the third he came forward throwing punches, dropping Marquardt, then when they got back up he went back to standing flat footed against the cage and occasionally circling away. I think Woodley will take this as a learning experience and come back stronger. Its a great win for Marquardt but who is there at 170 in Strikeforce for him to fight? Wish they would just bring him back to the UFC.
 
Fatigue will do that, Woodley was too tired to do anything but fight in spurts. His chin isn't granite and when Marquardt finally got to him, he was able to rock him and stop him.

Chase: You should have lost that Bradley bet and Garcia was losing up until the stoppage. You technically win, I'll give you that, but I wouldn't be claiming it to be "easy money" when neither of those bets were really good ones. Bradley I can see with the whole Arum/Pac thing going on, but Garcia wasn't supposed to be able to hurt Khan and that fight was not fixed, so I don't see how you could have ever thought that to be "easy money".
 
[quote name='shotgunshine']And he did show a ton of heart last night...credit to him for trying to soldier on but I was glad Bayless stopped it when he did.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, there was no need for him to keep taking punishment the way he did. As a world class fighter, Khan should know better.
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']Fatigue will do that, Woodley was too tired to do anything but fight in spurts. His chin isn't granite and when Marquardt finally got to him, he was able to rock him and stop him.

Chase: You should have lost that Bradley bet and Garcia was losing up until the stoppage. You technically win, I'll give you that, but I wouldn't be claiming it to be "easy money" when neither of those bets were really good ones. Bradley I can see with the whole Arum/Pac thing going on, but Garcia wasn't supposed to be able to hurt Khan and that fight was not fixed, so I don't see how you could have ever thought that to be "easy money".[/QUOTE]


Risk is more palatable when accompanied by some form of security. Tossing Garcia in a parlay with Rockhold and Healy is probably one of the safer parlays I've made. The story leading into Bradley-Pacquiao read like the fix was in if Pacquiao couldn't finish Bradley. Taking into consideration Pacquiao's age, the wear Pacquiao has endured in his career, and the fact that he hasn't finished anyone in over three years, that was easy money—at very least, in my eyes.

Garcia-Khan was a toss-up. However, the story, in my eyes, going into the fight was that Khan overlooked Garcia and had his focus set on future fights with Mayweather and others. I took a look at their fight history, and Garcia appeared to have less wear in his career. Given their competitive speed and power, I gave Garcia the edge, and made a bet.

In general, fighters fight the person—not the hype. (Of course, this depends on the mental stability of a fighter, and other variables.)
 
See, but you're acting like Bradley actually had a shot to beat Pac with anything but a robbery. Guys who follow the sport knew Pac was going to have trouble on the cards and if you bet Bradley assuming he could survive and win a robbery, fine. But the whole thing about "Pacquiao's age, the wear" etc. makes it seem like you were thinking Bradley could actually outbox him. He couldn't...clearly.

Just a little bothersome to me, but not a big deal :)
 
...i think bradley tweeting this pic 11 days before his pacman fight pretty much gave away who was gonna win.

Bradley-poster.jpg
 
Yeah, a professionally made poster with an exact date was a HUGE red flag. I thought Pac was going to stop him though (he should have and could have but didn't put his foot on the gas and lost because of it).
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']Yeah, a professionally made poster with an exact date was a HUGE red flag. I thought Pac was going to stop him though (he should have and could have but didn't put his foot on the gas and lost because of it).[/QUOTE]
Not exactly. There was a rematch clause that tentatively scheduled a rematch for Nov 10 if Pacquiao lost when they negotiated the first fight. Bradley could've gotten some photos and had someone 'shop it into a poster to promote the first fight. I wouldn't read too much into it beyond Bradley trolling everyone.

I do agree that one of the bigger reasons as to why Pacquiao lost was that despite controlling the fight, he only worked for the last minute of each round.

I don't think that Pacquiao is washed up or even a bad fighter; I just don't really think he gives a shit anymore. Not to say that Mayweather does, but Mayweather puts on a fight clinic and is amazing to watch every time he gets into the ring. Hell, he's even entertaining before he steps into one...heh.
 
I know about the rematch clause but Bradley was assuming he was going to win and they were going to have a rematch. He was pumping that a rematch would happen for a while before he got beat down in the actual fight. Then he ends up winning the (horrible) decision? Suspicious.
 
[quote name='technicalstylez']vinny magalhaes is back in the ufc. hes fighting igor pokrajac. dude sold his m-1 belt on ebay lol. still can't believe he beat werdum at abu dhabi...[/QUOTE]

Vinny is an insanely good BJJ practitioner, but that win over Werdum had a lot to do with his arm being made purely out of rubber. :shock:
 
I'm worried about Ellenberger's chin. The guy used to have a granite one and now he is getting hurt by Doomsday and stopped by Kampmann...Koscheck isn't a huge puncher but I don't know how much Ellenberger's chin has left. Otherwise, easy fight for the 'Berg...
 
Ellenberger needs to pace himself better..he was gassed against Kampmann before the first round even ended...in his defense though almost anyone else would've been finished by his opening onslaught..Kampmann is just tough. Also, he would've lost to Diego if the fight would've been five rounds. I'ma big Ellenberger fan and am rooting for him but I like Koscheck to take it.
 
I agree, I like both of these guys, but I think Koscheck will bring home the win. Both of these guys have the same effect the Diaz Brothers do, I always have a hard time picking or betting against either of them.
 
ellenberger gasses in fights because he trains too damn hard. i remember in a vid -i think the mayhem mini-doc- mayhem is sitting/talking and behind him u see ellenberger sweaty and essentially passed out against the wall. as for kos punching power, if homie can knock out matt hughes then im sure he can ko ellenberger, especially when ellenberger rushes in.

and yeah, that armbar werdum had on vinny was intense. have no clue how his arm held up, werdum is a big guy w/ major strength. i stood next to him at abu dhabi in long beach and felt like a dwarf.
 
Joined the CAG pool and got my picks in for tonight. I originally picked Barao to win but Nostradumass convinced me to change my mind and go to Faber (even though I don't like Faber one bit).
 
daniel pineda just came out to the mortal kombat theme song lololol

edit: and carvalho came into bret the hitman hart's theme song.

carvalho has been one of my favs for a long time. happy to see him finally in the ufc
 
I'm usually upbeat regardless of the card, but, god damn, UFC 149 has been fucking awful.

Matt Riddle-Chris Clements has been the best fight of the night. That's fucking absurd.

Can't blame the Calgary card for chanting "refund." I'm stealing this card and even I want a refund. Ugh.
 
[quote name='DT778']And then the PPV started.[/QUOTE]

Yes, this.

Probably the 2nd worst PPV I've ever watched, after Mir/Crocop. And I'm tired of Faber in title bouts, I've seen 3 now and all 3 were rather underwhelming.
 
Was pretty disappointed with this card myself. This was the first one I actually sat down and watched entirely in a good while. I didn't watch the prelims but the first fight of the event was the only good one. None the less, I am glad Faber lost. I am getting tired of seeing him fight.
 
[quote name='tylerh1701']

Probably the 2nd worst PPV I've ever watched, after Mir/Crocop. And I'm tired of Faber in title bouts, I've seen 3 now and all 3 were rather underwhelming.[/QUOTE]


I completely agree with all points brought up in this post. I don't know who Faber knows but he somehow keeps getting title shots when he's a Bisping at best.
 
[quote name='Chase']I'm usually upbeat regardless of the card, but, god damn, UFC 149 has been fucking awful.

Matt Riddle-Chris Clements has been the best fight of the night. That's fucking absurd.

Can't blame the Calgary card for chanting "refund." I'm stealing this card and even I want a refund. Ugh.[/QUOTE]

Yup...I ordered this card a few days ago then an hour before it starts my order is taken off..im pissed and call Time Warner(horrible cable company btw) and they were saying I missed a payment, which I didn't so I couldn't see the ppv....I was pissed. So for the first time ever I watched it on an illegal stream and let me just say thank you Time Warner for your stupidity and saving me $45. This show was terrible. Off the top of my head this is easily the worst show this year.

I only went 5-6 overall and was 2-5 on my boosts.
 
Pardon my lack of composure in regards to last night's event. 'Twas a rough night as a sports bettor. My bankroll took a decent hit. I blame myself for rolling my prelims winnings into the main card. I had 3 correct of 11 fights. However, I think Ebersole and Lombard deserved the nod.

But, I should have avoided Head-Ebersole. I put money on Ebersole moments before the fight. Little did I know a.) he is actually changing his body composition to get down to 155, b.) he would not take the fight seriously. My critical error had been playing too many prop lines. I won't make that mistake again.

To ease the pain, I used a part of my Friday boxing and Bellator winnings to buy a new laptop and book a weekend vacation with my girlfriend. She deserves it. She puts up with my sports betting, and the research that comes with being successful. (But then again, my success in betting pays for a significant chunk of what I buy her.)

I will say: If you always want to make money, you should follow Luca Fury on Twitter at GamblingFury. There are other people, but he's almost always on the money. I'll be using his suggestions for my UFC on FOX 4 bets. He is 100-percent trustworthy.

Invicta FC 2 is July 28th, by the way. The first show was stellar, and included this blood bath.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1A5lbgSw4g
 
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^Good fight, thanks for the link.

Funny how quick 5 minute rounds go when there's good action going on in the cage. Saturday night almost every round felt like an eternity.
 
"Okay! Now, look under your seats! Yes! It's true! And you get an injury! And you! And you get an injury! --MMA

No joke: Buddy Roberts has stepped-up to fight Yushin Okami on August 11th at UFC 150. I suppose this is believable—given how we live in a world where Mauricio Rua will headline a FOX card with Brandon Vera in 2012.

Speaking of UFC on FOX 4, Zuffa announced that the number-one contender will be decided in the winners of Rua-Vera and Machida-Bader. Obviously, after he beats Dan Henderson, Jon Jones will have beat all 205 has to offer. At very least, at the moment, ya know, until UFC builds up Teixeira and Gustafsson. But, between the two, I think Jones decimates Gustafsson. A fight with Teixeira would be interesting.
 
So Rua/Machida III? Sounds intriguing actually, when we know that Machida can take Rua down (who can't?) but Rua can KO him. Sounds good, but Jones will beat all four if he needed to.

In any case:

Palhares = out. Boo.

Camozzi = out. Boo (just because I don't like injuries).

Rothwell = out. Booooooo
 
[quote name='Chase']
I will say: If you always want to make money, you should follow Luca Fury on Twitter at GamblingFury. There are other people, but he's almost always on the money. I'll be using his suggestions for my UFC on FOX 4 bets. He is 100-percent trustworthy.
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Went and gave it a look and listened to their last two podcast,sounds pretty knowledgeable but surprised they both favored Cote so highly against Cung.Still can't be right all the time I suppose but they do indeed sound like they know their stuff.
 
[quote name='Magiblaze']Went and gave it a look and listened to their last two podcast,sounds pretty knowledgeable but surprised they both favored Cote so highly against Cung.Still can't be right all the time I suppose but they do indeed sound like they know their stuff.[/QUOTE]

Meh..he looks alright I guess but he loses a lot on other sports and seems to be the kind of person who has an opinion and can't be swayed from it. That is a problem in betting where a little bit of the right info should be able to change your mind.
 
[quote name='Chase']Speaking of UFC on FOX 4, Zuffa announced that the number-one contender will be decided in the winners of Rua-Vera and Machida-Bader. Obviously, after he beats Dan Henderson, Jon Jones will have beat all 205 has to offer. At very least, at the moment, ya know, until UFC builds up Teixeira and Gustafsson. But, between the two, I think Jones decimates Gustafsson. A fight with Teixeira would be interesting.[/QUOTE]

Funny because Jones has beaten all 4 of those guys already, right?

I'm excited for Jones/Hendo but I don't think Hendo stands much of a chance.
 
Tyler, I agree. Hendo has a good chin and heavy right hand, but his cardio is questionable towards the end of R2 and into the latter rounds. Plus, Jones has better wrestling. For a former Olympic wrestler, his TDD is, well, average for MMA (in regards to top-shelf wrestling in MMA). Hendo has showed just slightly above-average wrestling in his recent fights.

[quote name='Magiblaze']Went and gave it a look and listened to their last two podcast,sounds pretty knowledgeable but surprised they both favored Cote so highly against Cung.Still can't be right all the time I suppose but they do indeed sound like they know their stuff.[/QUOTE]


Nice work. Further endorsement: Nick Kalikas and Luca Fury definitely know their stuff. Kalikas is a well-known oddsmaker, and Fury parlayed his Sherdog Radio gig into moneymaking. I only consider the fight opinions of, say, less than nine people. These two are at the top of the list. Now, I haven't listened to their podcast since, perhaps, the second episode, but I constantly see their opinions on Twitter. Smart, nice dudes.

And I also favored Cote over Le. However, I had no idea Cote took the fight on short notice. I would have stayed away if I had known.

Sooo... Cormier-Mir is scheduled to happen sometime in October or November. This would be the first crossover in the Zuffa-owned entities.

And just to clarify, Dana White said whoever has the better performance between the Rua-Vera, Machida-Bader winners would receive the next crack at Jones. General consensus is that Rua will receive the next title shot if he beats Vera. I think that's a waste. Just toss Teixeira to Jones since Gustafsson recently said he's not yet ready for a title shot. (No one in the UFC is ready for Jones—except for possibly Dos Santos, Velasquez, or Overeem at heavyweight. There's a reason Anderson Silva is avoiding the superfight.)
 
thought u would've known cote was short notice since rich (cung's original opponent) got switched to replace vitor in the wand/tuf coaches fight. furthermore, glover tex is fighting rampage so he has that to deal with before we can consider him as an opponent for jones.

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And I also favored Cote over Le. However, I had no idea Cote took the fight on short notice. I would have stayed away if I had known.

Sooo... Cormier-Mir is scheduled to happen sometime in October or November. This would be the first crossover in the Zuffa-owned entities.

And just to clarify, Dana White said whoever has the better performance between the Rua-Vera, Machida-Bader winners would receive the next crack at Jones. General consensus is that Rua will receive the next title shot if he beats Vera. I think that's a waste. Just toss Teixeira to Jones since Gustafsson recently said he's not yet ready for a title shot. (No one in the UFC is ready for Jones—except for possibly Dos Santos, Velasquez, or Overeem at heavyweight. There's a reason Anderson Silva is avoiding the superfight.)[/QUOTE]
 
Mir/Cormier is a fine fight to make and I have to respect Mir for going to SF in an attempt to get another title. He most likely won't win, but there is always that chance and he will probably try to play to his strengths at least.
 
I thought the stream ran good for the most part and it was another solid card. Baszler should have won, but other then that some surprises occured with a couple solid fights.
 
lol i posted that after an hr of trying to get the stream to work since it was down due to heavy traffic..then invicta posted a direct link to the stream and it worked fine. for sure i had baszler winning that fight, but thats because k-1 mcmann showed up looking for a ko. when she actually used her wrestling
she got takedowns with ease. this card was better than the last 2 ufc cards imo.

[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']I thought the stream ran good for the most part and it was another solid card. Baszler should have won, but other then that some surprises occured with a couple solid fights.[/QUOTE]
 
It wasn't the takedowns that "won" McMann the fight if you're going to make any case for her winning because she only secured like two, and was in danger of submissions the whole time. I thought Baszler was going to sink the Kneebar but alas McMann showed some crafty sub D rolling all over the place in desperation and escaping.

Absolutely better then recent UFC card, Invicta has been putting on solid shows for their first two attempts. My question is how long they will be able to recycle their 135ers to make good cards? Their 145 division is pretty thin.
 
lol im not saying they won her the fight. im saying when she really went for them, she had it easy -even let bazsler up after a few- and had she fought her usual style the fight wouldve been alot more decisive/one sided instead of semi-controversial. her prefight interview even said she'd been working so hard on stand up/really wanted the ko/blah blah, and going in with that mindset made the fight alot easier for baszler. i was really hoping bazsler would go for the toehold -she was setting it up but gave up-..

ps i watched the 2012 olympics womens 52kg and mens 66kg judo from 3am to 7am straight yesterday morning and it was amazing. much more exciting/fast paced than i remember it being, maybe thats due to the smaller weight classes -like in mma-.

[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']It wasn't the takedowns that "won" McMann the fight if you're going to make any case for her winning because she only secured like two, and was in danger of submissions the whole time. I thought Baszler was going to sink the Kneebar but alas McMann showed some crafty sub D rolling all over the place in desperation and escaping.

Absolutely better then recent UFC card, Invicta has been putting on solid shows for their first two attempts. My question is how long they will be able to recycle their 135ers to make good cards? Their 145 division is pretty thin.[/QUOTE]
 
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