MMA (UFC, Strikeforce, Bellator, Invicta, etc.) Discussion Thread -- Version II

Anderson looked impressive blocking some of those shots from Diaz and threw a couple strikes that were lightning fast. But I was expecting pure domination from him. I set my standards too high for the main event.

 
Was reading an article earlier stating basically Diaz I am just tired of losing. They were hinting that he is finished ?
I need to find the article again to re read the whole thing and link it.
 
squishface said:
Was reading an article earlier stating basically Diaz I am just tired of losing. They were hinting that he is finished ?
I need to find the article again to re read the whole thing and link it.
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Diaz just has a ridiculously distorted perception of things. Sometimes you hear things about him being "not a bad guy", and it makes you wonder how much he puts on for entertainment purposes (ala Chael Sonnen). But then he does or says things that make you realize..."oh..he's serious", and it blows your mind. I mean, even his analysis of that fight was insane...saying he thought he won every round. Really? He thought falling to his back and sticking his elbow out won him a round...?

Then, he'll talk about wanting to fight top fighters and get these huge paydays...but he doesn't want to do any promoting, he doesn't really want to work, and he doesn't think he needs to earn it (or I guess he thinks he already has). At the end of the day, it basically seems like it adds up to a guy doing it for money and not because he enjoys it.

I get that he's not the company Yes Man type, but there are so many things he could do differently to make things easier on himself. He just doesn't do any of them.

 
Depressing to say the least.

Silva would've been better just staying retired or getting beaten by Diaz. Then you could just say he got old, slowed down, it was his time to retire, etc., but now his whole legacy is tarnished. Once you are busted it follows you forever, and it especially sucks for someone often called the GOAT.

I guess time to remove him from the Mount Rushmore of MMA. Leaving Fedor and GSP.

 
DarkTower80 said:
Lol, both Silva and Diaz failed the drug tests. Silva pre fight for steriods and Diaz the post fight for weed.
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Dokstarr said:
Depressing to say the least.

Silva would've been better just staying retired or getting beaten by Diaz. Then you could just say he got old, slowed down, it was his time to retire, etc., but now his whole legacy is tarnished. Once you are busted it follows you forever, and it especially sucks for someone often called the GOAT.

I guess time to remove him from the Mount Rushmore of MMA. Leaving Fedor and GSP.
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Wow...that's both the most shocking and not shocking news at the same time, lol. Silva getting popped is like if Derek Jeter had been busted for PEDs last season. Why risk it at this point? It really makes me think he must have been doing them the entire time because jeopardizing your legacy for a couple more wins just seems stupid.

The UFC really needs to be careful. Way too many high profile guys looking like drug abusers lately. They need to go out of their way to show some kind of change to make it damn near impossible for the "new wave" of stars (McGregor, Dillashaw, Dodson, hell...even Rousey) to be on anything.

I don't know what Silva's explanation is going to be, but he better try to spin it into some BS about helping his leg heal or something. It's kind of funny...but I actually did think his head looked bigger. I tried to tell myself it was just the glasses he was wearing, but I guess it wasn't.

 
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LMAO...oh, man. Cormier...just retire now and do commentary/promoting/entertaining full time. He's a likable dude. He's just not blessed with freakish ability like Jon Jones. I was thinking about this the other day...the three Jones brothers (not to be confused with the Jonas Brothers, lol) won a UFC title and two Super Bowl rings in the span of four years. What a ridiculous family! It's like watching evolution in motion, haha.

 
This is nothing new and GSP has been saying this since he vacated the title...but man, does he ever look 100% right in retrospect. More guys have been getting popped just since the NSAC increased its testing. You really have to wonder what things would look like if legitimate Olympic style testing was done.

http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/12301776/georges-st-pierre-only-return-ufc-third-party-drug-testing-program-adopted

I honestly hope it happens. The sport needs it to legitimize itself again...in the same way that MLB had to get serious about its testing. The fact that Silva passed his secondary test really makes me think this was part of his regular routine and he just screwed up the math. I guess we'll see how his B sample comes back. But the "contaminated results" argument just seems incredibly weak.

 
n8rockerasu said:
This is nothing new and GSP has been saying this since he vacated the title...but man, does he ever look 100% right in retrospect. More guys have been getting popped just since the NSAC increased its testing. You really have to wonder what things would look like if legitimate Olympic style testing was done.

http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/12301776/georges-st-pierre-only-return-ufc-third-party-drug-testing-program-adopted

I honestly hope it happens. The sport needs it to legitimize itself again...in the same way that MLB had to get serious about its testing. The fact that Silva passed his secondary test really makes me think this was part of his regular routine and he just screwed up the math. I guess we'll see how his B sample comes back. But the "contaminated results" argument just seems incredibly weak.
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He didn't screw up his math, he just got a surprise test. Apparently a lot of fighters are getting caught now because of this.

 
blueweltall said:
He didn't screw up his math, he just got a surprise test. Apparently a lot of fighters are getting caught now because of this.
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Well, yeah...I know the NSAC has expanded its testing in the past 6 months...but really, from a "better safe than sorry" perspective, why would you allow anything to be in your system less than 30 days from your fight?

If you're going to do steroids, fine...do them. But make damn sure you're not pissing hot with only one month left until your fight. Considering how long Silva was out, he had all the time in the world to roid up. Cutting it that close just seems foolish.

Eventually, sure...the goal is to have year round random testing to the point where fighters are too scared to EVER be on anything. But for now, if you're trying to get away with it, 30 days before your fight seems like a fairly safe cut off to me.

 
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I don't know, maybe this is his first time doing it and he's not really experienced.  When I watched the fight I thought that he look more solid compared to his old self. At first I credit to the long layoff between fights and thought that he just have extra time to put on mass, but that was not the case. I think he put to much pressure on himself to return that he resorted to cheating.

 
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Could be. I really liked Chael's explanation...that Anderson caught a "contact high" off of him, lol. Freaking hilarious.

Also...this is happening...

Frankie Edgar vs Urijah Faber at UFC Fight Night Manila on May 16th!

http://www.ufc.com/news/Another-Thrilla-Heads-to-Manila-Edgar-Faber

I can't believe this. These are two of my favorite fighters of all time. I have no freaking idea who I'm pulling for. I mean...I guess Faber is more on the way out, and I don't see what he has to gain from taking a fight at 145. I kind of get the feeling he's basically just planning for retirement at this point and trying to do some big money fights before he runs out of time.

But if Frankie wins...I guess it keeps him in line for next crack at the belt after McGregor. So, I guess I'm pulling for Frankie...that just seems more practical anyway, haha. That's going to be a ridiculous fight though.

 
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The other point I will reiterate is if he hasn't been doing them this entire time, then he's a fucking moron for risking his legacy for one fight. Like I said, that's like if Derek Jeter just randomly started taking steroids to recover from his injury problems in 2013. You've built a reputation and are one of the most celebrated people in the sport. You don't just "try something new" and risk a legacy you've spent over a decade building.

So, his options at this point are either being a fraud...or just being incredibly dumb. He 100% should have never come back.

EDIT - Here's an interesting article on the proposed changes to the UFC's testing policy.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2362226-ufcs-february-18-press-conference-a-promising-start-towards-drug-changes

I guess there is going to be an official announcement on 2/18. Honestly, they need to just bite the bullet and go through with it as this point. It's going to cost money, but Fox and Reebok can't be thrilled with all the bad press the UFC has been getting.

Not to mention, finally adding VADA testing will get GSP back in the cage (he said earlier this week that he's ready to go and would take a fight today if VADA testing was in place)...which will make the UFC a ton of money and give them a beacon of light that they can focus on (and a new GOAT to crown) to turn people's attention away from all this negative crap.

It's the smart thing to do, and it seems like a win-win for everybody.

 
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In non-failed drug test news...Rashad Evans' ACL recovery apparently is not going well, and his body rejected the cadaver ACL they used (ala Dominick Cruz). He'll be out at least another 6-7 months. He might as well retire at this point. He's 6 years older and significantly heavier than Cruz. Evans will be 36 with a bad knee when he finishes this rehab. I guess he'll still be a name and could get some money fights to cash out on...but it's not going to be pretty.

 
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Thatch looked huge compared to Bendo at the weigh-ins. Usually Bendo is the one towering over his opponents at lightweight but the roles are reversed this time around. Curious to see how he will do. The fact that he didn't really have to cut will probably play in his favor and will likely go in there stronger. I see he's kinda taking a Cowboy approach and saying he's down to fight any time.

 
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fuck YA!  fuck yeah!

That is why I became a Henderson fan in the first place.  What a fight.  Great resiliency from Bendo after dropping those first 2 rounds.

Also that toothpick popped out of his mouth the second after the fight was over lol

 
Very solid performance from Benson last night. Good for him stepping up to save the card as well as getting a W in a new weight class, that really worked out for him. As for him asking to fight Rory, I think he might be getting a little ahead of himself, lol. I'd like to see him fight Story, Gunnar or Alves before he just jumps ahead and gets a fight with a top title contender. Also found it interesting they announced Swanson vs Holloway. It makes for a good matchup since they both are flashy strikers but I think Swanson is a lot more polished than Holloway. It definitely will be a good test for him though

 
Nice to see that they are not going to mess around with this PED crap.  If they really can get it to a 2 or possibly 4 year suspension for a positive test it will be a huge deterrent.  Like Dana said, if a guy in his late 20's gets a 4 year suspension that would be huge hit for his career rather than missing one fight like they do now.

 
Yeah I'm loving strict doping rules.  I'm guessing other sports like NFL and MLB can't get similar rules in place because of the player's unions.

 
Yeah...a one year suspension is kind of like a pitcher getting a 10 game suspension for intentionally hitting a batter. Wow...he misses one start. I guess the difference would be a fighter also loses that money. Four years for a first time offense would be too much though. Give a guy one slap on the wrist as a wake up call, and if he does it again...then he's an idiot and is going out of his way to disgrace the sport (see also: Alex Rodriguez).

As for Anderson Silva's situation...what in the holy hell was he thinking??? I could see getting busted by a random test a few weeks before your fight, but not even ensuring that you're not pissing hot the NIGHT OF THE FIGHT? Was he trying to sabotage his own career? He knew they were going to test him then.

This is just so stupid. How does the alleged "GOAT" throw it all away at 39 years old in a meaningless fight against a guy not even in his weight class? I would almost believe Ed Soares date-rape-roiding him more at this point. At least that has plausibility. God damn, man...

http://mmajunkie.com/2015/02/anderson-silva-also-failed-ufc-183-pre-and-post-fight-drug-tests

 
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I'm with you 100% on the "what was he thinking part?"  Completely sabotage his legacy for possibly the least meaningful fight he's had in the last 7+ years.  It is incomprehensible.  

 
tylerh1701 said:
Yeah I'm loving strict doping rules. I'm guessing other sports like NFL and MLB can't get similar rules in place because of the player's unions.
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Look at professional cycling and their methods and issues with doping .

I would really like to see a time where the athletes are actually clean . If these people are so bent on taking ped , maybe create a different league lol. I heard of an upcoming league that allegedly didn't test for ped due to their fight lengths or something to that area. One of the head guys said that even if they take ped s their body would more than likely not be able to keep up with their round lengths . I need to search for those articles again . I think chael and wanderlei were mentioned in it ?
 
Wow fight card announcements just got a hell of a lot better! Jones vs Johnson, Weidman vs Belfort, Khabib vs Cerrone, Benavidez vs Moraga and Browne vs Arlovski. All on one freakin night! Incredible!!!
 
bigpimpin24 said:
Wow fight card announcements just got a hell of a lot better! Jones vs Johnson, Weidman vs Belfort, Khabib vs Cerrone, Benavidez vs Moraga and Browne vs Arlovski. All on one freakin night! Incredible!!!
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Yeah, that card is incredible. If that goes off without any cancellations, it will easily be one of the best cards we've seen in several years. I don't really understand the logic of overloading a card in late May when so many other ones are lackluster...but whatever. At least that will be a good one.

 
blueweltall said:
I think they are trying to compete with boxing but if that fight ever happen, no way can the UFC compete with it.
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maybe it is just me, but I thought boxing has been going downhill the past few years. I hear less and less about it and see fewer fights talked about on tv with the exception of the names mayweather and pacquaio, oh and Wladmiar kilitschko.

 
blueweltall said:
I think they are trying to compete with boxing but if that fight ever happen, no way can the UFC compete with it.
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I bet you're right. That would make sense. But yeah...honestly, the UFC shouldn't even give that fight any thought. It's either going to be a circus that never happens or a circus they can't compete with, lol. And why even bother trying to go head to head with it? Give boxing its one night and then let it fall back to obscurity, haha. :lol:

 
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