My point wasn't that the 360's problems are the exclusive domain of recertified systems, and that new units are somehow immaculate. But in my personal experience --I'm sure someone else has a contrary story-- with 2 recertified systems, they've been more likely to exhibit problems, as though once a system's reached the RROD there's just no resuscitating it. As I said, I'd normally espouse the virtues of refurbished items, but my experience with the Xbox 360 says caveat emptor, warranty be damned.