My buddy is having a job dilema and I got no clue

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My buddy is kind of in this dilema. He was looking for a job after graduation, and recieved an offer. He got one, but was still interviewing. But the company that gave him the offer (small company) needed a response withen 3 days. So instead of being empty handed after graduation, he accepted. Later that same week he got offered a better job with more money and better benifits.

He wants to take that job, but is wondering what he should do/say to the smaller company?

He really doesnt know anyone with similar experience and neither do I so I figure a CAG or two has prob gone through this

Any advice would be appreciated.
 
"Thanks for the opportunity, but I found something better."

A company would jump at the chance to get someone else for less money or with more skill. Additionally, if this other job pays more its more likely more demanding and would subsequently look better on the resume. If he doesn't take it simply because he doesn't want to hurt feelings, hes a fool.

You generally have a 30-90 day period in which you can quit for any reason and the employer and drop you like wise.

Most employers would be understanding.

Better yet, see if you can ge them to match or exceed the other offer.
 
He should have received an employee handbook which would explain procedures for similar things. If not, he'll have to talk to his boss/HR. Usually companies like two weeks notice because it provides them with some time to start looking for your replacement. But that's hardly required, judging by the numerous administrative assistants we've had bail out on a weekend just leaving an email saying they're not coming back :lol:

And FYI, our handbook here states: "The employee is free to resign at will at any time, with or without cause. Similarly, [employer] may terminate the employment relationship at will at any time, with or without cause, as long as there is no violation of applicable federal or state law."

[quote name='Kayden']
Better yet, see if you can ge them to match or exceed the other offer.[/QUOTE]
Definitely, particularly if he likes the job he currently has.
 
[quote name='Kayden']
Better yet, see if you can ge them to match or exceed the other offer.[/QUOTE]

Now THAT'S some great advice. He has nothing to lose, and everything to gain.
 
[quote name='Kayden']"Thanks for the opportunity, but I found something better."


Better yet, see if you can ge them to match or exceed the other offer.[/QUOTE]

Yep do exactly that. See if they will watch the other employeer. If not tell them thanks, but no thanks. Ive done this before and its no big deal.
 
In the corporate setting, always look out for what's best for you because no one else will. Screw the smaller company (thanks but no thanks) - you need to earn money, get experience, build the resume, etc. Believe me, they wouldn't have a problem firing an employee for a variety of reasons - loyalty and "doing what's right" rarely plays into the decision-making process...
 
[quote name='javeryh']In the corporate setting, always look out for what's best for you because no one else will. Screw the smaller company (thanks but no thanks) - you need to earn money, get experience, build the resume, etc. Believe me, they wouldn't have a problem firing an employee for a variety of reasons - loyalty and "doing what's right" rarely plays into the decision-making process...[/QUOTE]

QFT
 
I third or fourth the motion to try for more money, I have seen first hand small companies (under $50 million profit) make huge counter offers when their backs against the wall, note though that sometimes this can come back and bite ya in the ass, be sure to have him tell them that they contacted him, not vice versa.
 
That was foolish of your friend to take the first offer that passed his way. It's like a virgin marrying the first girl he has sex with - a bad idea. He should've kept his options open as these situations happen all the time. Kayden & Javeryh have the right idea - do what's best for you. Speaking as an employer, it's a great market right now - too many ppl fighting for the same job. Don't feel bad for the employer as it's an entry level position and they tend to be expendable.
 
[quote name='DuckM4n']go to the company that offers the most opportunities for advancement[/QUOTE]

True. Also the company where there is more room for growth.
 
[quote name='javeryh']In the corporate setting, always look out for what's best for you because no one else will. Screw the smaller company (thanks but no thanks) - you need to earn money, get experience, build the resume, etc. Believe me, they wouldn't have a problem firing an employee for a variety of reasons - loyalty and "doing what's right" rarely plays into the decision-making process...[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

Has your buddy had his first day yet? If he has, he should give them 2 weeks notice if at all possible - which they'd probably tell him to stuff if it's been a really short time. If he hasn't he should do as has already been suggested and just let them know that regrettably he won't be able to work for them after all. They very well might be POed, but he has to look out for himself here. I doubt they will match an offer if he hasn't worked there a single day - frankly I wouldn't even bother asking - but I guess anything is possible. Obviously he will probably never be hired from that company again, but sometimes you have to burn a bridge. You want to avoid it at all costs, but sometimes it's unavoidable.

IMO, as long as you can give your employer 2 weeks notice you shouldn't feel bad about moving on. They wouldn't delay canning your ass because it's a tough time for you, or whatever.
 
Amazing... This has got to be the first time I've posted my opinion and have everyone agree with me. :lol:
 
[quote name='jaykrue']That was foolish of your friend to take the first offer that passed his way. It's like a virgin marrying the first girl he has sex with - a bad idea. He should've kept his options open as these situations happen all the time. Kayden & Javeryh have the right idea - do what's best for you. Speaking as an employer, it's a great market right now - too many ppl fighting for the same job. Don't feel bad for the employer as it's an entry level position and they tend to be expendable.[/QUOTE]

I like how you both it was stupid for him to take a job and then go on to say how it's difficult to find a job now that so many people are fighting for the same ones. Not a believer of a bird in hand is better than two in the bush?

I'd say tell your friend to ask his current employer if they can match the better offer. If they think he's worth the money that the other company's willing to pay him, then they'll pay it. If they think they can get someone for what they're currently giving him, let them find someone else.
 
[quote name='RacinReaver']I like how you both it was stupid for him to take a job and then go on to say how it's difficult to find a job now that so many people are fighting for the same ones. Not a believer of a bird in hand is better than two in the bush?[/quote]

Well, it's all about risk. Jumping on the first thing that you feel is a secure job is a far bigger risk than competing for another job that is higher paying. There is no such thing as security; it's an illusion. I realized this early on and decided I'd rather circumvent the entire process. I'd rather be the one deciding jobs than be the one hoping for one. Being the boss of a company is far more 'secure' than being an employee who can be fired for almost no reason. What I always stress to people who ask me why I decided to start a company during/after college instead of looking for one is that I'd rather decide my own fate than have someone else do it for me. Now, if someone were to ask me, if I did it over again but this time looked for a job, I'd still say the same thing even in as highly competitive a market today because I'd always be wondering, "what if?" I would always be looking out for the better job. That's a pretty mercenary way of doing things but it's practical as well. And practicality is the only thing that will get you anywhere in this life.
 
But where would we be if no one wanted to work for anyone else?
:p
[quote name='jaykrue']Well, it's all about risk. Jumping on the first thing that you feel is a secure job is a far bigger risk than competing for another job that is higher paying. There is no such thing as security; it's an illusion. I realized this early on and decided I'd rather circumvent the entire process. I'd rather be the one deciding jobs than be the one hoping for one. Being the boss of a company is far more 'secure' than being an employee who can be fired for almost no reason. What I always stress to people who ask me why I decided to start a company during/after college instead of looking for one is that I'd rather decide my own fate than have someone else do it for me. Now, if someone were to ask me, if I did it over again but this time looked for a job, I'd still say the same thing even in as highly competitive a market today because I'd always be wondering, "what if?" I would always be looking out for the better job. That's a pretty mercenary way of doing things but it's practical as well. And practicality is the only thing that will get you anywhere in this life.[/quote]
 
[quote name='Kayden']But where would we be if no one wanted to work for anyone else?
:p[/quote]

Dunno, but I'm sure glad I'm da boss. When you're at the top, no one can fire you. :lol: But, like I said, even if I was looking to be an employee, I'd do so with a mercenary attitude. I encourage that from my employees as well - if someone's offering them a better job, I say go for it as long as they give me notice. It's just plain ol' courtesy plus they get a glowing recommendation from me.
 
So, do you ever lay the pimpology 101 on any of your employees? I know you're too smart to hire someone just because they're hot, but that doesn't mean...

[quote name='jaykrue']Dunno, but I'm sure glad I'm da boss. When you're at the top, no one can fire you. :lol: But, like I said, even if I was looking to be an employee, I'd do so with a mercenary attitude. I encourage that from my employees as well - if someone's offering them a better job, I say go for it as long as they give me notice. It's just plain ol' courtesy plus they get a glowing recommendation from me.[/quote]
 
[quote name='Kayden']So, do you ever lay the pimpology 101 on any of your employees? I know you're too smart to hire someone just because they're hot, but that doesn't mean...[/quote]

Actually, I made it my personal policy to never hire anyone I'm attracted to so if there's a potential interviewee I think I might be biased, I ask one of my senior employees to do it. Always same sex and opposite sexual orientation (if I guess correctly) - straight woman interviews lesbian/gay man interviews straight guy/etc. I'm fortunate that I have a small but diverse team. :bouncy:

As for teaching pimpology, that's for company outings. :cool: Seriously though, I try to discourage office romances but I'd be lying if I said they didn't happen. I'm just as guilty as my staff though I have enough fubus outside of work that the temptation is very very low. :lol:
 
[quote name='jaykrue'] I have enough fubus outside of work that the temptation is very very low. :lol:[/quote]

uh... ... 8-[ ....share? :mrgreen:
 
I'm going to be landing in Midway to hop the rail to Grand Central to get a ride down to Flanagan. I'll be in the area the 19th-22nd :cool:

[quote name='jaykrue']Haha, maybe if you're in the neighborhood.:lol:
Maybe.[/quote]
 
[quote name='Kayden']I'm going to be landing in Midway to hop the rail to Grand Central to get a ride down to Flanagan. I'll be in the area the 19th-22nd :cool:[/quote]

You couldn't have planned it worse. :lol: I'll be in LA from the 18th-22th to celebrate my bday (on the 21st) w/ my family there and then it's on to Milpitas for my cousin's wedding on the 29th.
 
I wish I had the dilemma of two companies wanting me. Sometimes I think I've been hexed by someone. At the very least I feel that the B.S. I earned is exactly that, BS.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']You couldn't have planned it worse. :lol: I'll be in LA from the 18th-22th to celebrate my bday (on the 21st) w/ my family there and then it's on to Milpitas for my cousin's wedding on the 29th.[/quote]

:lol: Subby is tied up that weekend too. The universe doesn't want me to have friends. =(
 
[quote name='Kayden']:lol: Subby is tied up that weekend too. The universe doesn't want me to have friends. =([/quote]

So how come you haven't tried to move to another state yet? One with readily available sushi and running hot/cold nymphos. :lol:

[quote name='GuilewasNK']I wish I had the dilemma of two companies wanting me. Sometimes I think I've been hexed by someone. At the very least I feel that the B.S. I earned is exactly that, BS.[/quote]

Well, you know what they say a BS is - bullshit while an MS is more shit. :bouncy:
 
[quote name='jaykrue']So how come you haven't tried to move to another state yet? One with readily available sushi and running hot/cold nymphos. :lol:



Well, you know what they say a BS is - bullshit while an MS is more shit. :bouncy:[/quote]

Yeah. The main reason I haven't pursued a Master's is because I could barely afford to pay back loans with the shit job I had before. Some people are just destined to never get any breaks I guess.

I was actually going to get into Special Ed. I'm kind of glad I didn't even if I have nothing right now.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']So how come you haven't tried to move to another state yet? One with readily available sushi and running hot/cold nymphos. :lol:
[/quote]

I've got plenty of cold nymphos up here running from me... :cry:

Tell ya what, you rent me out a room and give me a job and I'll come get silly in Illy.
 
[quote name='Kayden']I've got plenty of cold nymphos up here running from me... :cry:

Tell ya what, you rent me out a room and give me a job and I'll come get silly in Illy.[/quote]
Hehe, too bad I'm not hiring atm. :lol:

Why don't you try starting a company and see how that works for you? It's a bit frightening at first but it's not that scary once you get used to it plus the benefits are way better than being a worker for someone else.

[quote name='GuilewasNK']Yeah. The main reason I haven't pursued a Master's is because I could barely afford to pay back loans with the shit job I had before. Some people are just destined to never get any breaks I guess.

I was actually going to get into Special Ed. I'm kind of glad I didn't even if I have nothing right now.[/quote]

What do you do? Are you a teacher?
 
[quote name='jaykrue']Hehe, too bad I'm not hiring atm. :lol:

Why don't you try starting a company and see how that works for you? It's a bit frightening at first but it's not that scary once you get used to it plus the benefits are way better than being a worker for someone else.



What do you do? Are you a teacher?[/quote]

Not yet. I am supposed to be getting a call back this month.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Not yet. I am supposed to be getting a call back this month.[/quote]

Go private. My friends who decided to become teachers all swear by it. Better pay & nice facilities.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']Hehe, too bad I'm not hiring atm. :lol:

Why don't you try starting a company and see how that works for you? It's a bit frightening at first but it's not that scary once you get used to it plus the benefits are way better than being a worker for someone else.
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I'm lazy
 
Take it from me, working for a small company sucks. They'll suck every drop of lifeforce you have and toss your empty carcass to the curb. My former employer (company of about 250-300 people) offered health, dental, 401k, AD&D, & vision. Sure you dealt with corporate bullshit but it was manageable. With a small company, you're lucky to get heathcare period. Plus when the workload increases (it will inevitably) there will be no-one to help you because "there is not enough money in the budget to hire additional help". fuck that. My 'small' company of 25 people I work at has a million dollars NET profit for the year (and they can't hire any extra help yet the owner can buy a 40' scooter :roll: )

My advice: Take the better offer. You have to look out for number one because noone else is going to.
 
Yield to temptation. You don't know how long before it passes your way again and end up regretting it. Spoken from someone who has been there several times.
 
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