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Today at Target my best friend was caught shoplifting several DS and GBA games worth over $100. They took him back into the store and left me and my other friend to wait in the car for him. We didn't know what would happen so we did wait, then as time went on we left because we found out he had somehow got home. Here's what I know...

He was arrested and taken down to the police station, and words were said about juvenile prision becuase he is 17. This is my main question, and this is seriously affecting my life and others so please, be honest, nice, and truthful.

Know this before answering
1) He has been going to extremely popular, well off private schools since Kindergarden. Thats K, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th...etc...12, going on 13 years of pure private Catholic school.
2) Has a steady job, g/f, and a G.P.A. of about 3.0.
3) Is a all around good kid who got mixed up.

Now my real question. What do you think will happen to him, will he really go to Juvenile prision? Community service?

Please be honest and well informed, don't just put what you think you might know from TV or movies. Thanks
 
First offense? I doubt he'll recieve any type of juvenile detention sentence. The whole point of our juvenile justice system is to keep kids out of it and the adult system. He'll likely recieve a community service sentence and perhaps some type of counciling or support group for theft, although that part's not very likely. Then again, he could end up with a real hardass for a judge so its difficult to say with certainty what will happen to him.
 
[quote name='Nealocus123']Yes, first offense, thanks for the input, sort of a relief.[/QUOTE]

Just don't see it as him getting off light. If it continues to be a problem, they will drop the hammer on him at some point.
 
First offense will probably be okay. Like RvB said, probably community service. But tell him that if this continues he'll get nailed, and no judge will buy any of that "He's a good kid" bullshit. This is life.
 
17? Man, is he lucky. A few more months and it would have been much more serious.

Luckily for him, we live in a country where you are considered a 'boy' until well into your adulthood - heck you can't even toast your country until you are 3 years further along.
 
[quote name='camoor']17? Man, is he lucky. A few more months and it would have been much more serious.[/quote]

$100. Hardly. Now, if it was $100 of a controlled substance, and not video games, you may be onto something.

Luckily for him, we live in a country where you are considered a 'boy' until well into your adulthood - heck you can't even toast your country until you are 3 years further along.
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Of the 1.2 million state and federal inmates in this country, roughly 0.1 to 0.2% are 17 and younger. That translates to 12,000 to 24,000 inmates, nationwide, under the age of 17 in "adult" institutions. I urge you to rethink your above claim, or find something to support it.

My question to the OP is this: is he white?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']My question to the OP is this: is he white?[/quote]

I hate to admit it, but that's the first thing I thought of. It shouldn't matter, but in regard to things like this it more often than not does.

Also...

1) He has been going to extremely popular, well off private schools since Kindergarden. Thats K, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th...etc...12, going on 13 years of pure private Catholic school.
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He'll get a break of some kind. He probably has plenty of people to vouch for his character, and going to well-off schools = influence.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']going to well-off schools = influence.[/QUOTE]

That *PLUS* being white = 30 hours community service, or a 30 day suspended sentence, meaning he'd only serve time if he does another misdemeanor in the next 2 years or so.

Class and race make a big factor in first-time offenses, regretfully. White trash fends a little better than black trash, but white-collar private school kids of either race do better than blue-collar folks.

EDIT: The OP implicitly admits as much, by citing his GPA and the fact that he attended private school his whole life. Are we to assume that, if he went to public school, he should receive a harsher sentence, or that he's a hardened delinquent? Or, should we focus on the criminal event itself, instead of your phony contexts (steady job notwithstanding) that try to position your friend as a "good kid" rather than a "juvenile delinquent" (who, we are to assume by your traits listed above, includes everyone who goes to public school and/or has a sub-3.0 GPA)?
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']But I also laughed on the stand.[/QUOTE]

Context, please. Did we have a playful judge making jokes, or were we laughing at something we shouldn't have, thus showing a lack of remorse that will easily impact the decision you get?
 
[quote name='Nealocus123']Today at Target my best friend was caught shoplifting several DS and GBA games worth over $100. They took him back into the store and left me and my other friend to wait in the car for him. We didn't know what would happen so we did wait, then as time went on we left because we found out he had somehow got home. Here's what I know...

He was arrested and taken down to the police station, and words were said about juvenile prision becuase he is 17. This is my main question, and this is seriously affecting my life and others so please, be honest, nice, and truthful.

Know this before answering
1) He has been going to extremely popular, well off private schools since Kindergarden. Thats K, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th...etc...12, going on 13 years of pure private Catholic school.
2) Has a steady job, g/f, and a G.P.A. of about 3.0.
3) Is a all around good kid who got mixed up.

Now my real question. What do you think will happen to him, will he really go to Juvenile prision? Community service?

Please be honest and well informed, don't just put what you think you might know from TV or movies. Thanks[/QUOTE]
Seriously affecting your life? Oh wait...this is one of THOSE "my friend" stories.
 
[quote name='WhipSmartBanky']Seriously affecting your life? Oh wait...this is one of THOSE "my friend" stories.[/quote]

Ahhh... the wheel turns... however slowly :)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Of the 1.2 million state and federal inmates in this country, roughly 0.1 to 0.2% are 17 and younger. That translates to 12,000 to 24,000 inmates, nationwide, under the age of 17 in "adult" institutions. I urge you to rethink your above claim, or find something to support it.[/quote]

I know this - the guy said he is in private school, christian, blah blah blah. He's not going to "pound in the ass" prison.

There are double standards for kids in rich areas vs poor areas, something that goes beyond rich people having better lawyers and unequivical legislation.
 
[quote name='WhipSmartBanky']Seriously affecting your life? Oh wait...this is one of THOSE "my friend" stories.[/QUOTE]

I think they are "good friends" and he doesn't want anyone else fucknig his friend if he goes to "jail".

Your friend is a dumbfuck and I hope gets the worse. Did you just stand there as he stole them? Because if you did you both should go to "jail" and then you can fuck him as much as you want.

But it sounds like he's a rich white boy so he should be fine.
 
I talked to him today and he said that Target wants to try him as an adult, and that he was convicted of premeditated shoplifting which is considered burglury which is a felony, what do you guys think of this? Just big talk by Target employees?

No, he is 1/2 Filipino 1/2 Caucasian

Look, and if you dont have something fucking nice to say or helpful, then shut the fuck up and stay out of this thread. Yes it is MY friend, and yes it affects my life because my best friend might go to fucking jail you asshole. So seriously, if you don't have something that could help me out then just shut the fuck up, your not impressing anyone with your smartass remarks.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']That *PLUS* being white = 30 hours community service, or a 30 day suspended sentence, meaning he'd only serve time if he does another misdemeanor in the next 2 years or so.

Class and race make a big factor in first-time offenses, regretfully. White trash fends a little better than black trash, but white-collar private school kids of either race do better than blue-collar folks.

EDIT: The OP implicitly admits as much, by citing his GPA and the fact that he attended private school his whole life. Are we to assume that, if he went to public school, he should receive a harsher sentence, or that he's a hardened delinquent? Or, should we focus on the criminal event itself, instead of your phony contexts (steady job notwithstanding) that try to position your friend as a "good kid" rather than a "juvenile delinquent" (who, we are to assume by your traits listed above, includes everyone who goes to public school and/or has a sub-3.0 GPA)?[/quote]

I'm just listing everything that I know about him that might catch him a break. I don't know about Jail or trial hearings, therefore I made this thread to ask about what the fuck is going to happen. So I just listed everything that made him a good kid. Get off your power train and leave the thread if your not going to list something helpful for me.
 
[quote name='Nealocus123']I'm just listing everything that I know about him that might catch him a break. I don't know about Jail or trial hearings, therefore I made this thread to ask about what the fuck is going to happen. So I just listed everything that made him a good kid. Get off your power train and leave the thread if your not going to list something helpful for me.[/QUOTE]I'm confused... Aren't you pretty much agreeing with him? And he answered your question, which I would think is relevant and helpful.
 
If you didn't want people to be objective... then why did you post this in the Politics and Controversy board?
 
[quote name='Brak']If you didn't want people to be objective... then why did you post this in the Politics and Controversy board?[/QUOTE]

Have you READ the Politics and Controversy board? :lol:

Anyway, OP, I offered you advice. If you don't like what I say, or what to discount my expertise, feel free. Remember, though, that just because I may not say what you want to hear, that doesn't mean it isn't true. If you want to turn a blind eye to reality, be my guest. That helps a lot of people not kill themselves from day to day.

OTOH, if you want to reread what I have to say, and accept the fact that upper-class white boys (and let's be fair - he's half filipino, but does he "look like it," or does he have a "nonwhite" last name? Trust me, being white does have its priviliges. You can hide your head in the sand all you want - it doesn't change the real world to do that, though.

If he wants to save his ass, he should promote the prosocial things he does - I don't mean the things that upper-class white folks get (a private school education, for example), but perhaps school clubs, Boy Scouts, local community involvement, etc? That's your best bet - but you never know, you could get a judge who sees your well-off friend as the kind of person to make an example of.

I don't believe Target is flapping their gums - premeditation *can* make it a felony, but the dollar amount stolen is low (unless you aren't being truthful or honestly don't know the amount), and premeditation can't be proven. Tell us more about the incident itself - did he plan on stealing games? Is it evident the way you slowly drift around the store, only to scamper by the games, jam them in his waistband, and hurry out the door? That shit's on camera, you know.

Tell us more about it. And keep your shit-talking to yourself, unless you want me to deliberately give you bad advice to take to court.
 
Well I figure this is a serious subject and I don't understand why people can't take it that way. If you think I'm a crying bitch, you know so be it, but for once just leave it behind and don't add your smartass comment, that's all I'm asking.

And I poseted it here because I couldn't find a off-topic forum.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Have you READ the Politics and Controversy board? :lol:

Anyway, OP, I offered you advice. If you don't like what I say, or what to discount my expertise, feel free. Remember, though, that just because I may not say what you want to hear, that doesn't mean it isn't true. If you want to turn a blind eye to reality, be my guest. That helps a lot of people not kill themselves from day to day.

OTOH, if you want to reread what I have to say, and accept the fact that upper-class white boys (and let's be fair - he's half filipino, but does he "look like it," or does he have a "nonwhite" last name? Trust me, being white does have its priviliges. You can hide your head in the sand all you want - it doesn't change the real world to do that, though.

If he wants to save his ass, he should promote the prosocial things he does - I don't mean the things that upper-class white folks get (a private school education, for example), but perhaps school clubs, Boy Scouts, local community involvement, etc? That's your best bet - but you never know, you could get a judge who sees your well-off friend as the kind of person to make an example of.

I don't believe Target is flapping their gums - premeditation *can* make it a felony, but the dollar amount stolen is low (unless you aren't being truthful or honestly don't know the amount), and premeditation can't be proven. Tell us more about the incident itself - did he plan on stealing games? Is it evident the way you slowly drift around the store, only to scamper by the games, jam them in his waistband, and hurry out the door? That shit's on camera, you know.

Tell us more about it. And keep your shit-talking to yourself, unless you want me to deliberately give you bad advice to take to court.[/quote]
Thanks, that helped a lot, sorry if I freaked out, just I'm scared for my friend.

We didn't plan on taking anything, we went to look at clearnace and they just had DS games laying there. So he said it would be easy, I didn't want to get in trouble so me and my other buddy walked away to a different isle. And just to clarify, everything I've said is honest, because I want a honest answer so...

And I dunno if this has anything to do with it, but they were totally remodeling the Target, new escalators, isles, etc. The roof was totally gone with random wires hanging down so he didn't think there would be a camera. So I'm not 100% sure if they caught him on camera. He told me they followed him around and picked up the empty boxes as he tossed them aside.

He does look more filipino than white, but has a very white last name.
 
[quote name='Nealocus123']Well I figure this is a serious subject and I don't understand why people can't take it that way. If you think I'm a crying bitch, you know so be it, but for once just leave it behind and don't add your smartass comment, that's all I'm asking.

And I poseted it here because I couldn't find a off-topic forum.[/QUOTE]
http://cheapassgamer.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12

Also, people can post whatever they want. Get over it.
 
So you weren't witness to what he took? If they let you two walk, that certainly makes sense.

Any idea what all he took? Sounds like he was opening game cases, yanking the cart out, and tossing the cases aside. That lends a lot to the premeditation argument, as people don't spontaneously or accidentally open up containers in stores, only to remove the contents.

You and your friend walking away from him also doesn't look good (not on you, but on him) - as if you knew he was up to something and wanted to stay away.
 
Where was he nabbed? Deep inside the store, outside or near the exit?

If I remember correctly, it's only shoplifting once you step outside the doors, or a clear cashier checkout area.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']So you weren't witness to what he took? If they let you two walk, that certainly makes sense.

Any idea what all he took? Sounds like he was opening game cases, yanking the cart out, and tossing the cases aside. That lends a lot to the premeditation argument, as people don't spontaneously or accidentally open up containers in stores, only to remove the contents.

You and your friend walking away from him also doesn't look good (not on you, but on him) - as if you knew he was up to something and wanted to stay away.[/quote]

He took 3 DS games clearanced and 2 GBA clearanced games. We did walk away but we just went to play on the XBox 360, so I dunno if that makes it look better worse.
 
Shoplifting laws often consider shoplifting to be a misdemeanor petty theft if the value of the stolen goods totals less than $300 to $500. In some cases, first time offenders may have a chance at getting charged with a lesser crime such as disorderly conduct. When an offender has a history of shoplifting or the value of the stolen goods exceeds this amount, shoplifting laws often yield harsher penalties. An offender can be charged with grand theft or larceny, both of which are felony crimes. Under shoplifting laws, a person who is convicted of this crime may receive a sentence that includes jail or prison time, punitive fines, community service, and/or other penalties.
 
[quote name='Brak']Shoplifting laws often consider shoplifting to be a misdemeanor petty theft if the value of the stolen goods totals less than $300 to $500. In some cases, first time offenders may have a chance at getting charged with a lesser crime such as disorderly conduct. When an offender has a history of shoplifting or the value of the stolen goods exceeds this amount, shoplifting laws often yield harsher penalties. An offender can be charged with grand theft or larceny, both of which are felony crimes. Under shoplifting laws, a person who is convicted of this crime may receive a sentence that includes jail or prison time, punitive fines, community service, and/or other penalties.[/quote]

I saw that exact thing too, so why would they threaten him with jail time and an adult trial?

BTW: I live in CA if that matters, San Diego area.
 
[quote name='Nealocus123']He took 3 DS games clearanced and 2 GBA clearanced games. We did walk away but we just went to play on the XBox 360, so I dunno if that makes it look better worse.[/QUOTE]

You could surely plea down if that's the case.
 
[quote name='Nealocus123']I saw that exact thing too, so why would they threaten him with jail time and an adult trial?

BTW: I live in CA if that matters, San Diego area.[/QUOTE]
Because people with false authority love to scare the shit out of people.
 
Here's the way i see it(and i'm sure there are things the OP left out) :

-You and your friend walked away because you thought he was going to steal and didn't want to be a part of it.
-Now your life is in jeopardy because your best friend might go to jail

Maybe the lesson learned here is to be a little more forthright next time, like saying "Hey buddy, stealing is wrong"
 
I'm trying to dig back to the Kmart wisdom of my part-time job a couple of years ago...

I think since your friend made it outside, he was actually homefree. If the secuirty guard, or whoever, asked him to step back inside, he did that so your buddy would have the stolen goods back in their property.

I believe that parking lots don't count as their personal property, in most cases.

There are a lot of weird loopholes with this stuff... but, basically, I think they needed your friend back inside in order to bust him.

Don't quote me.
 
[quote name='Brak']I'm trying to dig back to the Kmart wisdom of my part-time job a couple of years ago...

I think since your friend made it outside, he was actually homefree. If the secuirty guard, or whoever, asked him to step back inside, he did that so your buddy would have the stolen goods back in their property.

I believe that parking lots don't count as their personal property, in most cases.[/quote]

So what about stores that put out sidewalk displays? Free pickings? :)
 
[quote name='Pookymeister']So what about stores that put out sidewalk displays? Free pickings? :)[/QUOTE]
The sidewalk is a part of the propery, since they aren't structured like public sidewalks (assuming they're not public sidewalks, to begin with).

When I used to work at Kmart, sidewalk sale shit would get robbed ALL the time.
 
1) We went through the mall exit, so I dunno if that matters at all, but I do know it was Target security that took him.

2) I know I should have spoke up, but he seemed so sure and I mean with the construction going on it seemed easy. I'm hating myself every minute because I just wish I could have REALLY stood up to him and none of this would be happening.
 
[quote name='Nealocus123']1) We went through the mall exit, so I dunno if that matters at all, but I do know it was Target security that took him.

2) I know I should have spoke up, but he seemed so sure and I mean with the construction going on it seemed easy. I'm hating myself every minute because I just wish I could have REALLY stood up to him and none of this would be happening.[/quote]

Nah, you did the right thing by walking away.

I bet your friend is stupider then you realize. He could have dragged you right into the crime, even if you were just trying to stop it. For more serious transgressions, people can get put in jail for years just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time - it doesn't take much extra evidence to get charged as an "accessory".
 
[quote name='Nealocus123']Well I figure this is a serious subject and I don't understand why people can't take it that way. If you think I'm a crying bitch, you know so be it, but for once just leave it behind and don't add your smartass comment, that's all I'm asking.

And I poseted it here because I couldn't find a off-topic forum.[/QUOTE]

Here's the correct forum:
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=25

It really wasn't that hard to find. It says "Off Topic"
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Context, please. Did we have a playful judge making jokes, or were we laughing at something we shouldn't have, thus showing a lack of remorse that will easily impact the decision you get?[/quote]

I laughed cause I stuffed the T-shirt in my pants and when the security guard took my picture for the judge I had an Adidas shirt hanging out my pants while giving two thumbs up and the dumbest smile.

I laughed when I saw the pic and the judge looked at me.

When he asked if I thought it was funny, I said "Just look again at the pic"
 
[quote name='Nealocus123']I talked to him today and he said that Target wants to try him as an adult, and that he was convicted of premeditated shoplifting which is considered burglury which is a felony, what do you guys think of this? Just big talk by Target employees?

No, he is 1/2 Filipino 1/2 Caucasian

Look, and if you dont have something fucking nice to say or helpful, then shut the fuck up and stay out of this thread. Yes it is MY friend, and yes it affects my life because my best friend might go to fucking jail you asshole. So seriously, if you don't have something that could help me out then just shut the fuck up, your not impressing anyone with your smartass remarks.[/QUOTE]


Someone has fucking and assholes on the mind. I think it's time to find a new asshole to fuck because your old fuck buddy is going to be used meat.

And I am being helpful. First you need to find someone else to fuck, and second you really need some new friends because it's obvious you have bad taste. So he's a dumbass and should go to jail so why are you friends with him? Does he really have that nice of an ass or are you a fat piece of shit that can't get any from someone better?
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']I laughed cause I stuffed the T-shirt in my pants and when the security guard took my picture for the judge I had an Adidas shirt hanging out my pants while giving two thumbs up and the dumbest smile.

I laughed when I saw the pic and the judge looked at me.

When he asked if I thought it was funny, I said "Just look again at the pic"[/QUOTE]
Did the jury laugh when you said "pic" in court?
 
[quote name='David85']Someone has fucking and assholes on the mind. I think it's time to find a new asshole to fuck because your old fuck buddy is going to be used meat.

And I am being helpful. First you need to find someone else to fuck, and second you really need some new friends because it's obvious you have bad taste. So he's a dumbass and should go to jail so why are you friends with him? Does he really have that nice of an ass or are you a fat piece of shit that can't get any from someone better?[/quote]
What are you, 13yrs old? I'm sure that one of your friends has or will shoplift at some point in there lives. 25% of shoplifters are kids 18 and younger, that's 1 in every 4. Just because my friend made a mistake means I should totally abandon him? You sir sound like a very shity friend, what happens when your friend gets caught cheating or stealing and gets in trouble? Your probably going to run away and not look back.

And secondly, whats up with me fucking my friend? You got that from me being scared for him going to jail? Get a fucking clue you twat, if your best friend went to jail and you never saw him, how would you feel?

BTW This thread can be closed
He was sentanced to 50hrs of community service and a $347.43 fine. And to all of you who helped I really appreciate it. It means a lot that you guys can help someone you don't even know feel better. Thanks again guys.
 
I was off by 20 hours, but really, the homie got a break. I don't see anything wrong with community service, and that $350 is probably being paid for by mom and dad, who are gonna (with any luck) make sure his ass remunerates them for it.

In the end, if it keeps him from stealing discount (or any, really) games in the future, then all is kosher. Nothing like a justice system that manages to work (even if it could have worked with a lesser decision).
 
[quote name='Nealocus123']What are you, 13yrs old? I'm sure that one of your friends has or will shoplift at some point in there lives. 25% of shoplifters are kids 18 and younger, that's 1 in every 4. Just because my friend made a mistake means I should totally abandon him? You sir sound like a very shity friend, what happens when your friend gets caught cheating or stealing and gets in trouble? Your probably going to run away and not look back.

And secondly, whats up with me fucking my friend? You got that from me being scared for him going to jail? Get a fucking clue you twat, if your best friend went to jail and you never saw him, how would you feel?

BTW This thread can be closed
He was sentanced to 50hrs of community service and a $347.43 fine. And to all of you who helped I really appreciate it. It means a lot that you guys can help someone you don't even know feel better. Thanks again guys.[/QUOTE]

So did you have to pay for the sex? Is that how he paid the fine?

And no I don't know anyone who stole loads of video games. I don't know anyone that stole anything after the age of ten. Cousins and a friend or two stole a piece of gum or candy when they were like 5, that's it.

Have fun fucking your friend tonight, I'm sure it's well worth the wait.
 
[quote name='David85']So did you have to pay for the sex? Is that how he paid the fine?

And no I don't know anyone who stole loads of video games. I don't know anyone that stole anything after the age of ten. Cousins and a friend or two stole a piece of gum or candy when they were like 5, that's it.

Have fun fucking your friend tonight, I'm sure it's well worth the wait.[/QUOTE]

Funny that you vehemently deny knowing someone who stole something, yet you troll threads assuming everybody sticks their cock in other people's asses the way you do. I don't disagree with the notion that many people have far more homosexual tendencies than they'd care to admit (or even recognize themselves), but that doesn't give you carte blanche to be a total shitneck about it.

OP, if you really want this thread closed/deleted, contact a moderator.

EDIT: Snatch, did you see a news piece a few weeks back about WM starting a policy of not prosecuting for thefts below $25? :lol:
 
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