N. Korea says it will whipe the US off the map.

I honestly think Kim is just stirring shit up because he is about to die and wants a reason for the North Korean people to back his son when power is transferred. Having a mortal "imperialist enemy" would do just that.
 
It's just saber rattling, they're the little twerp on the playground trying to pick a fight. If we really want to hurt them, hit them where it really hurts, in the wallet. Cut them off from even more of their funds.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']Nothing needs to be done about it. They probably accidentally said it. We, America, have forced them to view us like this.[/QUOTE]

Are you kidding me? With much of the world I would agree but not Korea. As for them just saber rattling and not being a threat I completely disagree. I think KJI is truly bat shit crazy and truly dangerous. Much of the world such as Iran I think if they get Nukes MIGHT use them but I honestly believe that KJI would kill us all if he could.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']If we would just stay out of their business and leave them alone none of this would happen.[/QUOTE]

So we let a nation that has shown us hostilty gain nukes? We let a nation that brutalizes not just its own people but also ours alone? We let them threaten our allies? Again I would point out a laundry list of wrongs we have committed on most nations that are pissed at us, again I say we are a nation that puts our nose where it doesn't belong. But with Korea not the case and with Korea I say that they are a nation that crosses a line from saber rattling at an annoyance to making real threats.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']So we let a nation that has shown us hostilty gain nukes? We let a nation that brutalizes not just its own people but also ours alone? We let them threaten our allies? Again I would point out a laundry list of wrongs we have committed on most nations that are pissed at us, again I say we are a nation that puts our nose where it doesn't belong. But with Korea not the case and with Korea I say that they are a nation that crosses a line from saber rattling at an annoyance to making real threats.[/QUOTE]

They haven't actually done anything, all they have done is talk. We should just leave them alone and let everything just go away.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']They haven't actually done anything, all they have done is talk. We should just leave them alone and let everything just go away.[/QUOTE]

1. So the American Journalists doing day labor in their horrid prison systems is nothing?

2. Even if you were right and its just talk, talk from a nation trying to build nukes and selling weapons to our enemy automatically is more then talk. If someone stood in front of you in real life with a knife and said im going to stab you because your a blight on this earth and your judgement day has come would you not think "wow this guy is crazy and I am dead". So sorry, ya when you are testing nukes you dont threaten to remove a nation from the earth.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']1. So the American Journalists doing day labor in their horrid prison systems is nothing?

2. Even if you were right and its just talk, talk from a nation trying to build nukes and selling weapons to our enemy automatically is more then talk. If someone stood in front of you in real life with a knife and said im going to stab you because your a blight on this earth and your judgement day has come would you not think "wow this guy is crazy and I am dead". So sorry, ya when you are testing nukes you dont threaten to remove a nation from the earth.[/QUOTE]

Buddy, I'm being sarcastic. I'm just trying to follow the lead of our great ruler, B. Hussein.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']Buddy, I'm being sarcastic. I'm just trying to follow the lead of our great ruler, B. Hussein.[/QUOTE]

[southern]HOLY BIBLES, I RECKON THATS ONE OF DEM DERE TERRORIST AL KAIDA NAMES!!!![/mason dixon line]
 
^^:bouncy:

No, Obama would divert the conversation to the protests in Iran or Health Care reform (like he did yesterday).

But seriously, something big is about to go down with North Korea and its better if we dictate the moves.
 
Where I really hate the idea of wars, if ANYTHING, we should have invaded (or something along the lines) North Korea instead of Iraq. We invaded Iraq because of the W.O.M.D. and yet, nothing. Meanwhile, NK is like "LLLLLOLOL ::waves them around:: WE KILL NOW ^_^"

So yeah, I don't understand anything anymore.
 
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^^ I agree.

2 atomic bomb tests and a clear threat against the US if we stop them from trading weapons with Burma. Time to lay the smack down. Russia/China/Japan/South Korea/USA vs. North Korea. It should be going on.
 
Based on his foreign policy thus far, I'm not sure Obama has the guts to do anything serious to North Korea despite their threats.
 
Going to war is such a horrible idea. Not only does that basically screw South Korea but all of the North Korean civilians will suffer because of one horrible leader.

I really can't understand that country.
 
Geography really helps KJI stay in power. The country is tiny and surrounded by water on two sides with China on the north and a DMZ to the South.

And to all the people that are bad mouthing Obama. What the hell is he supposed to do? We're still fighting two wars even though the US military is only fitted to fight 2 and a half wars in the best of times. The world knows that any tough words from us will not be met with anything until we pull out of Iraq or Afghanistan. Bush basically tied Obama's hands for the forseeable future. I guess we're just supposed to channel our inner wankster and threaten dudes without any real heat behind our words. And yes, McCain would've been in the same situation if he'd won.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Geography really helps KJI stay in power. The country is tiny and surrounded by water on two sides with China on the north and a DMZ to the South.

And to all the people that are bad mouthing Obama. What the hell is he supposed to do? We're still fighting two wars even though the US military is only fitted to fight 2 and a half wars in the best of times. The world knows that any tough words from us will not be met with anything until we pull out of Iraq or Afghanistan. Bush basically tied Obama's hands for the forseeable future. I guess we're just supposed to channel our inner wankster and threaten dudes without any real heat behind our words. And yes, McCain would've been in the same situation if he'd won.[/QUOTE]

Why not use the situation to make enemies of friends? China is extremely worried about N.Korea so they would probably work with us, add in using India who hates China...and then for good measure toss in Europe. You would have a good chunk of the world standing together with the US as a leader....which hasnt happened in awhile. Building tighter relations with China is a great thing and if we can get them and India to co op all the better.
 
If anything people should be angry with Bush for lying to us and using up our defense resources for false reasons. You are a fool to place blame on Obama for this. Obama has a mess to clean up now before he can free up more military resources. Thanks to...ready for it? DUBYA! Not "B. Hussein."


However, I don't think N. Korea has the means to do anything. All of their missile tests have failed miserably. I wouldn't be surprised if they bombed themselves trying to attack us.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Why not use the situation to make enemies of friends? China is extremely worried about N.Korea so they would probably work with us, add in using India who hates China...and then for good measure toss in Europe. You would have a good chunk of the world standing together with the US as a leader....which hasnt happened in awhile. Building tighter relations with China is a great thing and if we can get them and India to co op all the better.[/QUOTE]

I like the way you think but we need to stop acting like other countries are really going to have our back when the time comes. If N. Korea does something, we've got the South and Japan. China might help but we'll have to give major concessions when it comes to trading.

Also, who's to say that China and Russia don't love that tiny litle midget bastard agitating things? The more we pay attention to the Koreans, the less we pay attention that Russia isn't really a democracy or that the Chinese own most of our debt.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Why not use the situation to make enemies of friends? China is extremely worried about N.Korea so they would probably work with us, add in using India who hates China...and then for good measure toss in Europe. You would have a good chunk of the world standing together with the US as a leader....which hasnt happened in awhile. Building tighter relations with China is a great thing and if we can get them and India to co op all the better.[/QUOTE]

Will that work out as well as all the people who were going to work with us in Afghanistan and Iraq?
 
[quote name='HowStern']I wouldn't be surprised if they bombed themselves trying to attack us.[/QUOTE]

You should watch Man vs. Cartoon. It's a great example of this only it's a bunch of redneck retards claiming they are a really good technical school.
 
@ Uncle Bob & Deepscal on the subject of US Allies.

Maybe if we approached a war from a rightous position and talked to our allies ahead of time vs trying to act like an idiot fucking cowboy from some kind of western they would have our back. Maybe if Obama didnt take the Bush approach and stopped reading teleprompters and fielding staged questions long enough to speak from the heart and say something like "For far too long North Korea has been not only a threat to the US but a threat to the world and destabilizing influence on countless developing countries like Mynamar/Burma. Thats why today I call for our allies, both old a new, I call on every nation to put aside our differences and put aside our political backgrounds and beliefs to co operate on this most vital of issues" he would stand a chance.

Obama is turning out to be exactly what I thought he would be, not what I HOPED he would be. He is squandering a very big gift he was given and sadly Americas chance at a new future is going with it.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Obama is turning out to be exactly what I thought he would be, not what I HOPED he would be. He is squandering a very big gift he was given and sadly Americas chance at a new future is going with it.[/QUOTE]

Hope is what Obama was all about. If he did what you wanted, you wouldn't need hope anymore. :D
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Hope is what Obama was all about. If he did what you wanted, you wouldn't need hope anymore. :D[/QUOTE]

Man that joke went right over your head.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus'] say something like "For far too long North Korea has been not only a threat to the US but a threat to the world and destabilizing influence on countless developing countries like Mynamar/Burma. Thats why today I call for our allies, both old a new, I call on every nation to put aside our differences and put aside our political backgrounds and beliefs to co operate on this most vital of issues" he would stand a chance.
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pretty good MSI Magus, sounds just like obama.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Hope is what Obama was all about. If he did what you wanted, you wouldn't need hope anymore. :D[/QUOTE]

can we institute a cap for # of posts/day?
 
[quote name='tivo']pretty good MSI Magus, sounds just like obama.[/QUOTE]

No there is a difference. First off he isnt calling for anything yet. Second he reads he doesnt speak from the heart. If he stood up and instead of being so damned overally prepared said something like that from the heart it might make a difference. One of the big problems is that people dont believe we are sincere anymore and its half because of people like him playing politics and half because people like you and Uncle Bob who are more worried about your own pocket book and well being then that of America/the World as a whole.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']@ Uncle Bob & Deepscal on the subject of US Allies.

Maybe if we approached a war from a rightous position and talked to our allies ahead of time vs trying to act like an idiot fucking cowboy from some kind of western they would have our back. Maybe if Obama didnt take the Bush approach and stopped reading teleprompters and fielding staged questions long enough to speak from the heart and say something like "For far too long North Korea has been not only a threat to the US but a threat to the world and destabilizing influence on countless developing countries like Mynamar/Burma. Thats why today I call for our allies, both old a new, I call on every nation to put aside our differences and put aside our political backgrounds and beliefs to co operate on this most vital of issues" he would stand a chance.

Obama is turning out to be exactly what I thought he would be, not what I HOPED he would be. He is squandering a very big gift he was given and sadly Americas chance at a new future is going with it.[/QUOTE]

You don't get it. We can't do anything to them. You can't threaten Korea without actual heat behind those words. Our heat is tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan and the world knows it.

Obama did say those things and the UN passed tougher sanctions. Unfortunately, that's all the world is going to do. Everyone (other than S. Korea and Japan) has got bigger fish to fry at the moment.

If we just ignored the little midget for a while, he'd probably go away. Just come out with one statement. If you launch a missile aimed at our territory at any time, we'll wipe you off the fucking planet. Go look at pictures of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and prepare your people for annihilation.
 
[quote name='depascal22']You don't get it. We can't do anything to them. You can't threaten Korea without actual heat behind those words. Our heat is tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan and the world knows it.

Obama did say those things and the UN passed tougher sanctions. Unfortunately, that's all the world is going to do. Everyone (other than S. Korea and Japan) has got bigger fish to fry at the moment.

If we just ignored the little midget for a while, he'd probably go away. Just come out with one statement. If you launch a missile aimed at our territory at any time, we'll wipe you off the fucking planet. Go look at pictures of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and prepare your people for annihilation.[/QUOTE]

Multiple problems here. First off I dont recall seeing Obama say anything like what I just said, never a real call for action has come from him that I am aware of.

Second your in the health care topic saying we must pass health care yet we dont have the money for it. So your telling me we can pass health care with money we dont have yet cant find any for a new war? You cant have it both ways. He could very easily if it came to it shift us into a war time emergency and do like FDR did taking over a few factories to produce what is needed. Yes this wouldn't be as easy in this day and age but I see no reason why it isnt possible. The miltiary is also stretched thin but not THAT thin, and our allies are far from stretched especially potential new allies like China.

Face it, you don't like the idea so your trying to make it seem impossible vs accepting it is perfectly possible and just not what you want. At the end of the day its a tought pill to swallow but its all perfectly possible.
 
Magus, this isn't about money. I know there's money out there that could scraped up for it. This is about the troops that you're trying to materialize from thin air. The US Army had enough troops to fight two and a half major wars during the Cold War. Our capabilities are significantly less now and we're fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. Money can't turn regular joes into soldiers at the drop of a hat. So yeah, I'm saying it's impossible but not because I don't like the idea. Whether I like it or not doesn't make the fact that our military is already dangerously thin and couldn't take another major conflict.

Also, your plan counts on China to turn on their ally in favor of us. Why would they do that again?

And just because I want to spend money on health care doesn't mean we have to spend money on a war. What kind of ass backwards logic is that? Health care affects every living person in this country. Who is N. Korea affecting again? The people of Guam? Maybe? The Aleutian Islands? Midway?

Before you say that we're not dangerously thin again, you do realize that a sizable chunk of our forces that have fought and are fighting overseas are reservists? It's usually not a good thing to depend on citizen soldiers to fight wars but we had to do it to fight in two theatres at once. Now you want to add a potential regional conflict (I still think China and Russia side with the North) on the other end of the largest continent in the world? How does that make us safer?
 
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N. Korea isn't an actual threat and smacking them down just to prove we've got big balls & know how to swing them is a terrible idea
 
[quote name='MSI Magus'] One of the big problems is that people dont believe we are sincere anymore and its half because of people like him playing politics and half because people like you and Uncle Bob who are more worried about your own pocket book and well being then that of America/the World as a whole.[/QUOTE]

I don't know where you get off thinking I am, or people like me, are more worried about our finances (aka selfish) than others. You, and people like you who are so vocal in the feelings and condition of the poor Americans, have got it all wrong. Statistically speaking, red states/conservatives give 30% more money to charities than liberals. Concurrently, religious people are 4 times more generous than non-religious Americans and give to every kind of cause and charity. Conservatives are even more likely to give blood. The truth is that People who think its the govt. job to make equalities are less likely to give (aka selfish) and countries with higher taxes and bigger social safety nets have lower rates of giving. I'm part of the former group, and you're part of the latter. Your concern for helping only the select few Americans classified as the nonworking and working poor is limited to cries of injustice, and a call for greater govt. interference which prevents you from looking at the bigger picture...

Americans are the most generous people because our citizens do what's good for the group, through expectation and social pressure rather than the law.

And if you don't believe in the stats you can look them up. I did and discovered these tell-tale signs of red/blue, conservative/liberal values:

- In 1997, Al and Tipper Gore contributed just $353 to charity with $197,729 in adjusted gross income.
- Mr. and Mrs. Obama , between 2000 and 2004, gave less than one percent of their income (avg $244,000) to charity. Their giving rose to a laudable five percent in 2005 and six percent in 2006, with the explosion of their annual income to near $1 million, and the advent of Mr. Obama’s national political aspirations.
- Dick and Lynn Cheney gave 78% of their income away in 2005

Now ask yourself, "Who's only interested in their pocketbooks?"
 
[quote name='tivo']And if you don't believe in the stats you can look them up. I did and discovered these tell-tale signs of red/blue, conservative/liberal values:

- In 1997, Al and Tipper Gore contributed just $353 to charity with $197,729 in adjusted gross income.
- Mr. and Mrs. Obama , between 2000 and 2004, gave less than one percent of their income (avg $244,000) to charity. Their giving rose to a laudable five percent in 2005 and six percent in 2006, with the explosion of their annual income to near $1 million, and the advent of Mr. Obama’s national political aspirations.
- Dick and Lynn Cheney gave 78% of their income away in 2005 [/QUOTE]

wow.. how disingenuous.

yes, the more someone makes, the higher percentage of it they give to charity.. true of all political affiliations


quite the stretch for you to imply obama's a liberal, or, even worse, that the bush administration was conservative
 
There comes a time when we need the military to oppose a real threat, and most of it is tied up in two pointless wars. At least we know the North Koreans have weapons, at least we know where Lil Kim hangs out most of the time. Hell, we could have bombed the North Koreans into the last century by now with the time and money we've spent in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
I'm a liberal and I've been in favor of dropping a couple nukes on North Korea for years now. I know, I know... not nice, oh the humanity, blah blah blah.

I could care less. People die, there is no afterlife to suffer consequences in, and the world would be better off without North Korea. Let's take them out, put the starving out of their misery and end any potential future conflict with them with the push of a few buttons. Not all human life is precious. Some of it needs to be removed for the greater good.
 
[quote name='Survivor Charlie']I'm a liberal and I've been in favor of dropping a couple nukes on North Korea for years now. I know, I know... not nice, oh the humanity, blah blah blah.

I could care less. People die, there is no afterlife to suffer consequences in, and the world would be better off without North Korea. Let's take them out, put the starving out of their misery and end any potential future conflict with them with the push of a few buttons. Not all human life is precious. Some of it needs to be removed for the greater good.[/QUOTE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEkWH8DB7b0
 
[quote name='VipFREAK']Why stop at Korea then... ?[/QUOTE]

My thoughts exactly. Although I think other countries are less severe and not in need of a good nuking, but the United States has a history of ignoring the problem and hoping it goes away (see Civil War, World War 1, World War 2, etc etc) and getting burned in the end when it doesn't.

To George W. Bush's credit, he didn't 'wait and see' with Iraq. Yes I know, we leveled the country, ruined it's stability, blah blah blah. But you know what, I don't think anyone is too worried about Iraq has it stands causing too many problems in the region anymore. So if nothing else, instead of getting them fighting other countries we got them fighting eachother. I say score one for good guys.

This notion that every country can be saved is so ignorant. I'm a social liberal but that doesn't mean I have to fall in line with the cloud-nine mentality that we can inspire peace and goodwill towards men. The people of North Korea cannot be reasoned with because they live in a world where they are manipulated, starved, and unable to stand up on their own. Their leader is a brutal dictator and a bully of the worst kind. He is a god. Truly. To the people of North Korea, he is god.

Now think how devote religious nuts defend their god when someone like me, an atheist or someone who believes in a different invisible skybully. People die over that stuff. This is why you can't reason with North Korea. Because Lil Kim is a god, and his people will defend their religious figure to the death. It's not a state war at that point, it's a religious war. And religious people will fight you for thousands of years if they have to. The only answer is to remove the people from the equation. So nuke em.
 
You know what's funny... I was being sarcastic. I mean, yeah I may think like that but doing it is a whole different story. Please, never get into politics ok. Cool, thanks. Also, my reason is more for just clearing out some people so it's actually easier to live around here and also not be surrounded by so many idiots too.

Edit: What happened to that brilliant video?! Oh well I'll post it again. lool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEkWH8DB7b0
 
You know what's funny... I was being sarcastic. I mean, yeah I may think like that but doing it is a whole different story. Please, never get into politics ok. Cool, thanks.[\quote]

I think politics could use people who don't pussy foot around the issues. Yes, there are times when situations need to be handled with kid gloves. But a country outright saying "We wipe you off the map" is likely not one of those times. Besides, I think it sends a good message to every would be North Korea out there: don't fuck with us.
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[quote name='VipFREAK']You know what's funny... I was being sarcastic. I mean, yeah I may think like that but doing it is a whole different story. Please, never get into politics ok. Cool, thanks. Also, my reason is more for just clearing out some people so it's actually easier to live around here and also not be surrounded by so many idiots too.

Edit: What happened to that brilliant video?! Oh well I'll post it again. lool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEkWH8DB7b0[/QUOTE]
I posted it, but then realized it prevented embedding, tried to un-embed it but couldn't, so deleted my post
 
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