Netflix Streaming Thread 2.0

I don't mind the increase personally since I was only using streaming anyway, but I don't know a single person that is sticking with Netflix's disc program after this announcement. I know they need to up their intake but I think a more modest increase would have been a little smarter.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']I dont think their major concern was peoples happiness. I think it was holy shit Sony just increasing streaming rights to a bilgillon dollars..we are going to have to find a way to off set the cost.

Seriously, how are people this upset over very simple business practices. It was only a 5 dollar increase. I think all this does is finally separate the people who like to watch movies in general (all movies, foreign, non-main stream, indie, etc etc) from the people only want new releases. Netflix WAS NEVER for the person who wanted just new releases all the time.

Why do you think they spend most of their money on crazy ass non main stream tv shows and movies....they understood spending 20 million to bring Green Lantern to streaming 2 seconds after it left theaters was not their niche.

The amount of shows/films that wouldnt have ever even attempted to watch without netflix is staggering.[/QUOTE]

No, this isn't just a $5 increase, and if you treat as such, you are either young or just naive. It amounts to a $72 increase if you keep a sub for an entire year. $192 versus $120 or so. Yeah, no thank you. I would rather get an Amazon sub or just use alternative methods like Redbox/BBE/library for movies. My libraries film collection is huge, and the fact that I can reserve/request a title from all the libraries and have them deliver it to that library means it's close in size to Netflix, minus all the shitty titles. Newer titles I can get from Redbox/BBE since they're right next door to one another (same parking lot actually). Also, screw it, I'm a CAG with a huge back log as it is. More time for gaming and finishing my new degree/school.
 
[quote name='HydroX']This... Exactly! If you're going to spend an extra $72 on DVDs you might as well go buy the ones you know you'll like with that money.[/QUOTE]

Yup. I can find movies for $2-$5 and stuff I want to own/watch.

[quote name='Soodmeg']There are a couple things that are getting left out and its kinda of annoying to see people fly of the handle without mentioning these things.

Has anyone thought that maybe they did this to HELP people? Seeing has half the country still doesnt own a HD tv and a decent amount of people dont have broadband internet. Those people were paying for a service they couldnt even use. So for them their bill is getting a nice bump down in price. But of course out of site out of mind screw those people.

Also, do we not take into account the price to drive to a red box? You guys just ripped Dmaul for not driving 3 miles to one? For one its 6 miles round trip, then he has to go return it which brings it to 12 miles. Would you really drive 12 fucking miles to rent a movie? Depending where you live and what you drive that could be anywhere between 3-5 bucks extra. Plus the headache of having to actually drive to a redbox.

It reminds me of the people who waste 5 dollars worth of gas sitting in a gas station offering 99 cent gas.[/QUOTE]

I'm not flying off the handle; I just hate feeling as though I'm bending over to take in the ass for someone else.

I have Redboxes/BBEs all over by me. They're on my drive to work/school. Also, fuck driving, i can just walk to my Redbox/BBE/library.

[quote name='Soodmeg']I am telling you..these motherfuckers want literately the god damn world for nothing. They even gave us a option of opting out of one or the other to keep our personally price down. Still not enough. Access to a billion dvds and hundreds of thousands of streaming movies for less than it cost to go to a theater. Thats a horrid deal.

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I don't want the fucking world. I don't think you've looked out your window lately. 15%-20% are unemployed/underemployed in my city. Obama is going to hold people on Social Security hostage soon. The economy/inflation is still hideous and sucks.

Also, I can go to the movies for $1.50-$5 regularly, if not free. It doesn't matter, as most movies coming to theatres suck. Transformers 3 (free), a Better Life (free), Pirates 4 (free), Green Lantern (free) and they all sucked. Last true, real great film I saw in a theatre that was actually worth it was Inception

It doesnt matter that about a year ago they drop a BILLION in a 5 year contract (thats not a joke they serious spent a billion) on their streaming content.
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So they overpaid for content and that's somehow my problem:roll::roll::roll::roll:
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Has anyone thought that maybe they did this to HELP people? Seeing has half the country still doesnt own a HD tv and a decent amount of people dont have broadband internet. Those people were paying for a service they couldnt even use. So for them their bill is getting a nice bump down in price. But of course out of site out of mind screw those people.[/QUOTE]

Or choose not to use it. I kinda thought about that in my previous post , since with the dvd only plan announcement I had only thought about doing that but as mentioned since it seems unlikely for me to go through (at least) 8 movies in a month due either to time or the fact that I have enough movies in my collection to watch that going streaming only instead and using Blockbuster Express to supplement newer releases works better for me. Extra travel distance isn't a problem since the Blockbuster Express is right at where I work , now if I were to use Redbox I would have to go more out of my way.

It reminds me of the people who waste 5 dollars worth of gas sitting in a gas station offering 99 cent gas.
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Or people that sit in the parking lot for 5-10 minutes to get the closest spot when they could have parked farther away and already be in the store.
 
It really isnt hard to understand. Their streaming contract is void once they reach certain subscriber. Thats how they lost the sony stuff and could lose more. So losing some members and getting fewer people to pay more would work out better for them
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']Yup. I can find movies for $2-$5 and stuff I want to own/watch.



I'm not flying off the handle; I just hate feeling as though I'm bending over to take in the ass for someone else.

I have Redboxes/BBEs all over by me. They're on my drive to work/school. Also, fuck driving, i can just walk to my Redbox/BBE/library.



I don't want the fucking world. I don't think you've looked out your window lately. 15%-20% are unemployed/underemployed in my city. Obama is going to hold people on Social Security hostage soon. The economy/inflation is still hideous and sucks.

Also, I can go to the movies for $1.50-$5 regularly, if not free. It doesn't matter, as most movies coming to theatres suck. Transformers 3 (free), a Better Life (free), Pirates 4 (free), Green Lantern (free) and they all sucked. Last true, real great film I saw in a theatre that was actually worth it was Inception



So they overpaid for content and that's somehow my problem:roll::roll::roll::roll:[/QUOTE]


Are you shitting me hiccup? You want to bring in any more out of context left field agenda talk? This is the Netflix streaming thread how you got Social Security, Obama, Unemployment, Economy, Inflation...dude we are not taking on the worlds many problems in the netflix thread. :roll: Also, dude you are coming across very entitled me centric here. Your entire post can be summed up with "Well I have no problems clearly its them."

You can find movies for $2 to $4 that you like? Fantastic? What if I dont like the same things you do? Uh oh.

You have so many redboxes they are coming out of your ass? Fantastic...the nearest one to me (like Dmaul) is 5 miles away. Thats a 20 mile trip for a 99 cent movie. I guess that doesnt matter because you have 50 of them. Can you go to some and mail them to me?

You can hit the theater for a buck fiddy? Damn dude can you give Netflix your movie pass? Then we wouldnt be in this mess.

Seriously hiccup if that post isnt flying off the handle I dont know what is. The bottom line comes down to this...if you dont think Netflix suits you than cancel it but thats not really a reason to have a call to arms and think they are the shittiest company known to man. You would honestly think they dumped radioactive dvd cases in a playground. They spent a lot of money on things they thought most people would like, it has to be paid for somehow. Now if you disagree with what they bought/the direction they are going in thats one thing but to sit here and pretend like you just got stab in the heart is bullshit. I just dont understand how anyone could think that its possible for them to get more content (IE spend money) yet you were not going to pay more for it? If it cost them money to bring the content to you then it will cost you money to receive said content. I am sorry but Netflix doesnt offer a dollar menu.

I only graduated from college but I am pretty sure thats how business work.
 
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[quote name='fezlopez']Prices were raised this year because of the contracts they renewed.[/QUOTE]

What is that? Logic? There is no room for that here...people are busy being outraged!!!!
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Are you shitting me hiccup? You want to bring in any more out of context left field agenda talk? This is the Netflix streaming thread how you got Social Security, Obama, Unemployment, Economy, Inflation...dude we are not taking on the worlds many problems in the netflix thread. :roll: Also, dude you are coming across very entitled me centric here. Your entire post can be summed up with "Well I have no problems clearly its them."

You can find movies for $2 to $4 that you like? Fantastic? What if I dont like the same things you do? Uh oh.

You have so many redboxes they are coming out of your ass? Fantastic...the nearest one to me (like Dmaul) is 5 miles away. Thats a 20 mile trip for a 99 cent movie. I guess that doesnt matter because you have 50 of them. Can you go to some and mail them to me?

You can hit the theater for a buck fiddy? Damn dude can you give Netflix your movie pass? Then we wouldnt be in this mess.

Seriously hiccup if that post isnt flying off the handle I dont know what is. The bottom line comes down to this...if you dont think Netflix suits you than cancel it but thats not really a reason to have a call to arms and think they are the shittiest company known to man. You would honestly think they dumped radioactive dvd cases in a playground. They spent a lot of money on things they thought most people would like, it has to be paid for somehow. Now if you disagree with what they bought/the direction they are going in thats one thing but to sit here and pretend like you just got stab in the heart is bullshit. I just dont understand how anyone could think that its possible for them to get more content (IE spend money) yet you were not going to pay more for it? If it cost them money to bring the content to you then it will cost you money to receive said content. I am sorry but Netflix doesnt offer a dollar menu.

I only graduated from college but I am pretty sure thats how business work.[/QUOTE]


LOL....you're ranting at him for being in left field yet you're so pro-corporate it's nuts. And if you can't see that bringing up the economy, or lack thereof, into a thread about how people can't afford a rate hike, then you sir are blind or have your head so far up netflix's butt it's not even funny.

You don't seem to grasp the fact that people are not going to stand for a massive hike like this without some benefit to their service. As of tonight I was streaming Keeping Up Appearances on my PS3, and half the episodes were scrambled. For this kind of service I should be happy about paying 60% more per month?

Netflix says they have over 23 million subscribers, just for examples sake, if all 23 million customers had the $10 plan, they'd be making $2,760,000,000.00 a year, and that's not enough? They can certainly do without my $7.99 dvd plan. But that's just me acting entitled.
 
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[quote name='Soodmeg']Seriously hiccup if that post isnt flying off the handle I dont know what is. The bottom line comes down to this...if you dont think Netflix suits you than cancel it but thats not really a reason to have a call to arms and think they are the shittiest company known to man. You would honestly think they dumped radioactive dvd cases in a playground. They spent a lot of money on things they thought most people would like, it has to be paid for somehow. Now if you disagree with what they bought/the direction they are going in thats one thing but to sit here and pretend like you just got stab in the heart is bullshit. I just dont understand how anyone could think that its possible for them to get more content (IE spend money) yet you were not going to pay more for it? If it cost them money to bring the content to you then it will cost you money to receive said content. I am sorry but Netflix doesnt offer a dollar menu.

I only graduated from college but I am pretty sure thats how business work.[/QUOTE]

You graduated? Fascinating.

He has a point. Studios and actors are still getting paid millions, movie prices are outrageous, all in a time when people can hardly make ends meet. That cost has a direct impact on the price and selection for Netflix. Personally I wouldn't blame Netflix for that, but I can see his perspective.

What does it matter to you? He'll rant, he'll vote with his wallet, and the market will ultimately decide. This is Captalist way, no?
 
The timing couldn't be worse. They should've ATLEAST resolved the Sony/Starz situation before announcing the price hike. This is how you give the competition a chance and slowly kill your company.
 
[quote name='NSYNC']The timing couldn't be worse. They should've ATLEAST resolved the Sony/Starz situation before announcing the price hike. This is how you give the competition a chance and slowly kill your company.[/QUOTE]

It won't. The competition well eventually have to pay similar amounts, and raise their prices. What it'll do is overall lower streaming. Probably even raise pirating again lol.
 
This is almost a joke thread.

Netflix is a luxury dude...its not gas or electric if you cant afford it because times are tough you would cancel it no question, no matter what netflix did, it not even the point its just a Strawman. Oh snaps Netflix raised their rates so now I cant send money to hungry hungry Haitians lets all boycott Netflix. Oh and of course lets just forget about the fact that they separated it so you could drop one or the other to keep the cost low. They could have just tacked it to their single plan and called it a day.

I am not pro-corp I am anti entitlement mixed with anti lying to yourself so you can seem more outraged. When company seems to be at least trying to improve something its odd to see people bash the hell out of them.

How is it possiable that you can not grasp the fact that they just spent a billion dollars to bring you content? How is buying the content for the service not a benefit for the service? Its different to not agree with what they are buying but to say they are not doing anything and just raising their rates all willy nilly is ridiculous.

Praxus are you kidding me with that math? From the same person who just talked about the economy being tough? Apparently Netflix is outside of this economy then. Sorry your math didnt account for Taxes, Warehouses, Postage, Servers, IT departments, advertising, workers, replacement dvds, web designers etc etc....oh yeah AND THE PRICES OF THE DAMN LICENSES. Is this a result of a lifetime of pirating or something? Do you think movies licenses are free?

Camoor, yes I graduated. (shaddup) Why do I care? That question is such a internet blackhole. I dont, none of us do but we are in the thread entitled Netflix are we not? Thats like going to a baseball game and asking why people are talking about baseball. Hiccup can do whatever he wants at any point and time...to each their own. He can hate Netflix until the cows come home....he talked, then I talked and then someone else talked...thats how communication worked I thought. None of this is real we are all just guys on a internet forum.
 
[quote name='elessar123']It won't. The competition well eventually have to pay similar amounts, and raise their prices. What it'll do is overall lower streaming. Probably even raise pirating again lol.[/QUOTE]

Not initially. Studios aren't charging everybody the same price for content. Somebody is going to undercut Netflix, whether it be the Studios themselves or another company. Netflix simply started making too much, and others wanted a piece. If people drop Netflix en masse like they're saying, it's pretty clear what will happen. They basically pulled a "LeBron James", and the damage is done IMO.

Soodmeg, you make it sound like Netflix is pinching pennies and just trying to get by. Yes, they have expenses, but that's not the main reason why they raised the prices. They raised the prices 7 months ago and introduced a streaming-only plan to help bring more content. It's a money grab and they basically said as much in their official statement.
 
[quote name='elessar123']It won't. The competition well eventually have to pay similar amounts, and raise their prices. What it'll do is overall lower streaming. Probably even raise pirating again lol.[/QUOTE]

Not initially. Studios aren't charging everybody the same price for content. Somebody is going to undercut Netflix, whether it be the Studios themselves or another company. Netflix simply started making too much, and others wanted a piece. If people drop Netflix en masse like they're saying, it's pretty clear what will happen. They basically pulled a "LeBron James", and the damage is done IMO.

Soodmeg, you make it sound like Netflix is pinching pennies and just trying to get by. Yes, they have expenses (which they could probably pay off with 3 months profit), but that's not the main reason why they raised the prices. They raised the prices 7 months ago and introduced a streaming-only plan to help bring more content (and it came fast, mostly on the TV side). It's a money grab and they basically said as much in their official statement. If they get people to drop DVD in favor of streaming only, I'm guessing they did the math, and would come out ahead. How long it would take considering all the people who will drop the service? Who knows, but they're expanding out of the US anyway. I've seen articles suggesting a mail-in DVD cost them .75 opposed to .5 on streaming. That's a pretty big difference where they could POSSIBLY afford the backlash.
 
[quote name='Scorch']"The Fighter" is now available on instant streaming. Great movie.[/QUOTE]

Light's Out (TV show) >>> The Fighter IMO. The show gets canceled after 1 season and the movie gets Academy Award hype, LOL!
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']I just dont understand how anyone could think that its possible for them to get more content (IE spend money) yet you were not going to pay more for it?
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I don't think anyone thinks that. People know prices need to go up. But $6 all at once WITH NO ANNOUNCED IMMEDIATE INCREASE IN CONTENT is what has people riled up. It's a big increase going from $9.99 to $15.98 for 1 dvd and streaming, and they haven't said anything about improving the service yet.

Plus, for me, I don't care if they improve streaming content. I was fine with it just being old movies, old tv shows, indie films, documentaries and foreign films personally.

Major major movies, especially those heavy on special effects etc., I want to watch in the best picture quality possible, so I would rent those on Blu-ray even if they were up on streaming. For me streaming was just a way to occasionally watch a documentary or some random older film or show where I don't really care about watching on Blu as I wouldn't want to "waste" a disc rental on it. So I'd be fine with content staying the same type of things it has been and prices staying down personally. Or increasing more gradually like a $1 or $2 every year or two.

I am sorry but Netflix doesnt offer a dollar menu.
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They actually should, I read a good column on that yesterday. Just make their streaming service like an online Redbox and charge a dollar per movie (and a lower price per TV show episode).

Or at the least make that a plan option for people who don't use streaming enough to pay for unlimited streaming. I'd be happy to pay a buck here or there when I wanted to stream a documentary etc. But I pretty much never use streaming enough to pay for the unlimited plan since I rarely ever stream more than 1 or 2 titles a month.

So having a pay per title streaming option would be handy for me and a way for them to make some more money from people who won't pay for the unlimited streaming currently.



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Netflix is a luxury dude...its not gas or electric if you cant afford it because times are tough you would cancel it no question, no matter what netflix did, it not even the point its just a Strawman.
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It's not a strawman. Some could afford it at $9.99 and thought that was a good value. At $15.98 for the exact same service it's harder for them to afford, and doesn't feel like a good value anymore.

It doesn't make Netflix evil or anything, but people have every right to be annoyed by the price change. It's not all that often that a bill jumps up 60% at once for the same quality service.


Oh and of course lets just forget about the fact that they separated it so you could drop one or the other to keep the cost low.
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But that's not much help to people who do use both a lot, so moot point for them. $9.99 for both was a good value for such people. $7.99 for only one or the other isn't nearly as good a value.

I am not pro-corp I am anti entitlement mixed with anti lying to yourself so you can seem more outraged. When company seems to be at least trying to improve something its odd to see people bash the hell out of them.
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Again, there hasn't been a single sign of improvement yet. The Sony movies aren't back on streaming or announced to be coming back. There's been no announcement of any new content period that I've seen.

There would be a lot less up roar if they announced a bunch of new content and improvements to the service at the same time the announced the price increase.

At least then people would feel like they were getting something more for their extra money.

It's not a sense of entitlement to feel a 60% price increase is too much when it's not coupled with a currently tangible increase in service quality. 60% is too much of a jump to not immediately get some improvements in return.

How is it possiable that you can not grasp the fact that they just spent a billion dollars to bring you content?
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If they did that, then they need to be talking about it and telling us exactly what extra content we're getting so we can judge whether it's worth the 60% increase in our current plans or not.

If it's just increased costs from studios to keep providing the same type of content, then it's a moot point. I'm not willing to pay 60% more for the same type of content they've had on streaming up to this point. If they're actually expanding and getting more recent and more mainstream content, then that's a different story and I would consider keeping streaming.
 
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Soodmeg, who cares if they spent a billion on licenses FOR FIVE YEARS? I'm sure they drew up a contract that's profitable for all parties involved. Netflix makes atleast 250,000,000 PER MONTH! Pretty sure after taxes and expenses they're pulling in a billion themselves every year.

In August 2010, Netflix announced it had reached a five-year deal worth nearly $1 billion to stream movies from Paramount, Lionsgate and MGM. The deal increases the amount Netflix spends on streaming movies annually. It spent $117 million in the first six months of 2010 on streaming, up from $31 million in 2009. This deal adds roughly $200 million per year.
 
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Soodmeg, who cares if they spent a billion on licenses FOR FIVE YEARS? I'm sure they drew up a contract that's profitable for all parties involved. Netflix makes atleast 250,000,000 PER MONTH! Pretty sure after taxes and expenses they're pulling in a billion themselves every year.

In August 2010, Netflix announced it had reached a five-year deal worth nearly $1 billion to stream movies from Paramount, Lionsgate and MGM. The deal increases the amount Netflix spends on streaming movies annually. It spent $117 million in the first six months of 2010 on streaming, up from $31 million in 2009. This deal adds roughly $200 million per year.
 
[quote name='NSYNC']Soodmeg, who cares if they spent a billion on licenses FOR FIVE YEARS? I'm sure they drew up a contract that's profitable for all parties involved. Netflix makes atleast 250,000,000 PER MONTH! Pretty sure after taxes and expenses they're pulling in a billion themselves every year.

In August 2010, Netflix announced it had reached a five-year deal worth nearly $1 billion to stream movies from Paramount, Lionsgate and MGM. The deal increases the amount Netflix spends on streaming movies annually. It spent $117 million in the first six months of 2010 on streaming, up from $31 million in 2009. This deal adds roughly $200 million per year.[/QUOTE]

Um, what?

For the entire year of 2010, Netflix's revenue was $2.16 billion, which is $180 million a month.

After all their bill were paid, they had a net income of $161 million for 2010, or $13.42 million a month.

From the deal you listed, they gained more than $200 million in fees a year from ONE deal.

So $161 mil - $200 mil = -$39 mil and they're already in the red.

This is stil not taking into account that fees went up for Miramax and Disney, which adds another $100 mil a year in fees.

Now it's -$39 mil minus -$100 mil, or -$139 mil a year in the red.

Then add on increases for Sony, NBC, Fox, WB and all the other studios...

Yea, Netflix is rolling in cash.
 
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So basically you think they're broke/owe money, LOL? So be it. They have 23 million subscribers paying atleast $8 per month. That's 184 million right there.
 
All that's true, but Netflix more or less dug their own grave on that front by trying to force streaming as they dominant delivery method when it's not something the studios want.

Streaming video is a huge threat to DVD and Blu-ray sales. People buy movies to have them around to watch whenever they want. With streaming, they can watch any offered titles anytime they want, so there's not a lot of incentive to buy those titles. Beyond the smaller niche of videophiles who only want Blu-ray as they will only watch something if it's in the best possible quality.

So of course the studios are going to rake Netflix and other streaming services over the coals when it comes to getting decent, mainstream content that regular people (i.e. not movie buffs and tv aficionados who watch old shows/films and obscure shows/films) actually want to watch. Having movies that are still selling available to stream anytime is a direct threat to their livelihood as it reduces the incentive for many to buy those titles. So they're not going to license them unless they're sure they can at least make as much from the streaming license as they would in sales (including rental discs purchased by rental companies) if it wasn't on streaming.

Netflix has to reap what they sowed here. They could have remained focused on disc rentals and making record profits like they were before the started the streaming. They foolishly though going streaming would make them more money by cutting postage costs which kept rising. But they should have known that studios would have them buy the balls if they wanted to offer any recent, mainstream content to stream.
 
[quote name='elessar123']Um, what?

For the entire year of 2010, Netflix's revenue was $2.16 billion, which is $180 million a month.

After all their bill were paid, they had a net income of $161 million for 2010, or $13.42 million a month.

From the deal you listed, they gained more than $200 million in fees a year from ONE deal.

So $161 mil - $200 mil = -$39 mil and they're already in the red.

This is stil not taking into account that fees went up for Miramax and Disney, which adds another $100 mil a year in fees.

Now it's -$39 mil minus -$100 mil, or -$139 mil a year in the red.

Then add on increases for Sony, NBC, Fox, WB and all the other studios...

Yea, Netflix is rolling in cash.[/QUOTE]

Dude I have given up, its clear that people are making up their own rules in this situation. Maybe its beacuse I am the only one here who actually works in TV/Film/Broadcast Production so I know exactly how much everyone cost.

It doesnt matter that Sony, MGM, Maramax, Paramount, Starz etc etc all have different fees for licensing and they all seem to understand that this is the future and now want their cut so they raised the renew fees. I have no idea why people are not as pissed off or more at the people who actually control how much the content cost....IE the studios. Do you guys even understand how many different studios/networks they current have signed? Also and I guess no of you ever thought of how hard it is for a network like NBC to tell their sponsors, "yeah we made a deal with netflix so people can not see your ads that you pay us millions to air each year.

Netflix is doing a pretty damn good job of getting as much content while shifting through billion dollar politics that is Hollywood.

Netflix, buy more content people are pissed that their bill is raised slightly if Netflix didnt buy more content they would be pissed about that...if they didnt renew the current content they would be pissed about that. There is no win...

Yea Netflix is a evil corporate giant, who pockets billions of dollars a year while smoking on cigars in a gold plated office.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']All that's true, but Netflix more or less dug their own grave on that front by trying to force streaming as they dominant delivery method when it's not something the studios want.

Streaming video is a huge threat to DVD and Blu-ray sales. People buy movies to have them around to watch whenever they want. With streaming, they can watch any offered titles anytime they want, so there's not a lot of incentive to buy those titles. Beyond the smaller niche of videophiles who only want Blu-ray as they will only watch something if it's in the best possible quality.

So of course the studios are going to rake Netflix and other streaming services over the coals when it comes to getting decent, mainstream content that regular people (i.e. not movie buffs and tv aficionados who watch old shows/films and obscure shows/films) actually want to watch. Having movies that are still selling available to stream anytime is a direct threat to their livelihood as it reduces the incentive for many to buy those titles. So they're not going to license them unless they're sure they can at least make as much from the streaming license as they would in sales (including rental discs purchased by rental companies) if it wasn't on streaming.

Netflix has to reap what they sowed here. They could have remained focused on disc rentals and making record profits like they were before the started the streaming. They foolishly though going streaming would make them more money by cutting postage costs which kept rising. But they should have known that studios would have them buy the balls if they wanted to offer any recent, mainstream content to stream.[/QUOTE]

WAAAAAAAA?????? So basically you want them to be Blockbuster? The company that is in a continuous bankrupting spiral that focuses on discs? Why would they focus on a format that clearly is not the future?

And again, if you are that much against streaming they gave you the option of not having it at all so you have none of the cost they paid for it. You cant have it 6 different ways. You dont like the streaming? There is a dvd only plan, you dont like dvds and like the streaming? There is a streaming plan. You like both...there is a combo plan.

What more do you want them to do?
 
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Netflix, buy more content people are pissed that their bill is raised slightly if Netflix didnt buy more content they would be pissed about that...if they didnt renew the current content they would be pissed about that. There is no win...
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Again...

1. A 60% increase isn't a slight raise.

2. They haven't officially announced adding any content concurrent with the price increase. They also haven't said it was necessary to keep content.

It's a PR nightmare for them. If they were going to increase prices that much they needed to couple it with a big announcement about new content, the return of Sony's titles, and any deals reached to keep other studio's content on streaming.

Make it clear why there's a price increase, and what us as customers are getting out of it. They did none of that so it just seems like a 60% price increase for the same old mediocre streaming they've offered for years.

Yea Netflix is a evil corporate giant, who pockets billions of dollars a year while smoking on cigars in a gold plated office.
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I don't think anyone has really said that or really bad mouthed Netflix to that extent.

People are just grumpy that their plan increased 60% overnight--which is a hell of an at once increase in any bill--with no announcements about getting any thing more for the extra money.

As I said above, I don't care about Netflix's financial woes. That's their problem, and it's their stupidity for making such a strong push toward streaming without having the logistics worked out.

All I care about is getting a good value for my money. The new plan for disc and streaming isn't a good value for my money given the gap between my interests and their streaming selection.

If they want me to pay for streaming, the price needs to come down at least $3-4 OR content must improve and have a lot more recent, mainstream movies and shows. I'm not going to start paying more for the same service as I've not found the streaming selection anything worth paying for to date. Improve it dramatically, then the value equation changes and I'll reconsider.
 
Again, all this new content you're speaking of came because of their last increase 7 months ago. You talk about network/sponsor ads like they're currently running re-runs when most of the "new" stuff is a full season behind, off-the-air and on DVD. TV may be costly because of the sheer number of networks, but it isn't the problem movie studios are. They could order more rental discs or buy the license for streaming. Seems like an easy decision. Anyone who's gotten TV shows through the mail knows about "Very Long Wait".
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']WAAAAAAAA?????? So basically you want them to be Blockbuster? The company that is in a continuous bankrupting spiral that focuses on discs? Why would they focus on a format that clearly is not the future?[/quote]

Discs aren't declining. Blockbuster went down because their B&M rental prices were ridiculous and Netflix was more convenient (and Redbox much cheaper). Blockbuster's mail rental service is still going strong.

Disc will remain the dominant rental format for quite a while as broad band penetration is still pretty low in the US, and even where available more and more ISPs are adding data caps to limit video streaming.

Even more so than that, the vast majority of rentals are new releases which generally aren't on streaming services. So disc rentals will be the biggest part of the movie rental revenue stream for years to come.

And an area where prices are more constant compared to streaming where licenses must constantly be renewed with studios.

And again, if you are that much against streaming they gave you the option of not having it at all so you have none of the cost they paid for it. You cant have it 6 different ways. You dont like the streaming? There is a dvd only plan, you dont like dvds and like the streaming? There is a streaming plan. You like both...there is a combo plan.

What more do you want them to do?
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I like having the Blu Ray and Streaming for $11.99. But $17.98 is way to much with NO ANNOUNCED IMPROVEMENT IN CONTENT.

I could understand and increase of a buck or two. Prices go up overtime with inflation etc. But I can't bear what's a 50% increase on my current plan when there's no signs that I'll get a 50% increase in service quality for the extra money.

So yeah, I'll go down to the disc only begrudgingly for now. But I'll definitely be looking into Blockbuster's online rental service etc. as I'm getting sick of Netflix not getting Blu-rays of catalog titles as they come out--especially since they charge an extra fee for Blu-ray rentals. Some posts on bluray.com seem to indicate that Blockbuster is better about adding Blu-rays of older movies as they are released, so that may be enough to get me to switch.
 
And again, I'll re-iterate that I'd very much like an ala carte streaming plan where I could just pay $1-2 per movie I want to stream in addition to my disc rentals.

That would be a good value for me vs. paying a month fee for unlimited, and a way for them to make money from me and others who cancel unlimited streaming.
 
[quote name='NSYNC']So basically you think they're broke/owe money, LOL? So be it. They have 23 million subscribers paying atleast $8 per month. That's 184 million right there.[/QUOTE]

OMG.

Hey, I'm going to offer you a job. I'll pay you $1 mil a year to play WoW. I'm also going to charge you $2 mil a year to have the opportunity to have this job. You're going to be rolling in cash.

Let me guess, you've never passed a math class.
 
And Blockbuster counters.

30 day free trial for netflix customers, and their one disc (with bluray) at a time plan is dropping to $9.99 starting (was $11.99 before I think). Game rentals are included in the plan as well.

http://www.finanznachrichten.de/20794558

I think I'll give the trial ago and if the turnaround times and selection seem the same or better than Netflix for my needs, I'll probably switch.
 
[quote name='elessar123']OMG.

Hey, I'm going to offer you a job. I'll pay you $1 mil a year to play WoW. I'm also going to charge you $2 mil a year to have the opportunity to have this job. You're going to be rolling in cash.

Let me guess, you never passed a math class.[/QUOTE]


You're an idiot if you think it costs them that much per year to operate Netflix. Keep making stuff up like Soodmeg said.
 
I feel for the people spending money on DVD + Streaming. I just wish they would make the streaming content more better (IE redboxed stuff out the same week for streaming on netflex) and I would gladly pay $12 a month for streaming alone. But if streaming goes to $10 or more a month without newer content (not straight to DVD titles like the WWE Chaperone) I'll probably cancel as will most of my friends.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Camoor, yes I graduated. (shaddup) Why do I care? That question is such a internet blackhole. I dont, none of us do but we are in the thread entitled Netflix are we not? Thats like going to a baseball game and asking why people are talking about baseball. Hiccup can do whatever he wants at any point and time...to each their own. He can hate Netflix until the cows come home....he talked, then I talked and then someone else talked...thats how communication worked I thought. None of this is real we are all just guys on a internet forum.[/QUOTE]

Dont have alot of time but I responded because while he just on a rant, I thought you sounded legitimately angry.

And this thread is useful, if I didn't use Netflix as religiously as I did or lived near a Blockbuster then I would probably switch over to one of the alternatives as they would provide a better value for me.

I can still love Netflix but see the other guy's point-of-view. It ain't a black-and-white issue.
 
[quote name='NSYNC']You're an idiot if you think it costs them that much per year to operate Netflix. Keep making stuff up like Soodmeg said.[/QUOTE]

Stop talking. Please.
 
To you? No problem. Glad you don't do people's taxes with the numbers you're throwing out there. Here's a snippet from an article this year;

For the first time in the Los Gatos-based company's history, Netflix is reporting that their quarterly DVD shipments will be down from the same period the year prior. This is in spite of a massive quarterly jump in profits, in which the company is up 86%.

The Wall Street Journal is reporting that the record growth can be attributed to a 69% jump from 14 million to 23.6 million subscribers, which they say is likely due to the streaming-only package the company unveiled last November.



Read more: http://techland.time.com/2011/04/27/netflix-profits-up-dvd-shipments-down/#ixzz1S6ofaSzT

Gee, I wonder if they'll have a larger "net profit" to absorb the new fees? Think of the money they saved on stamps this year! LOL, you're so dumb. Using net profit to say a company is broke is a new one.
 
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So it doesn't get lost in the argument since I posted near the end of the last page:

And Blockbuster counters.

30 day free trial for netflix customers, and their one disc (with bluray) at a time plan is dropping to $9.99 starting (was $11.99 before I think). Game rentals are included in the plan as well.

http://www.finanznachrichten.de/20794558
 
If Blockbuster can get streaming on video game systems and more blu-ray players they could take a big chunk of Netflix's user base. They have to strike/make announcements like this while people are still angry though.
 
I thought they were spending twice as much as they made like elessar123 was suggesting with his WoW analogy. Interesting. The article said streaming is still cheaper, so what are they being charged for the actual disc plus the .75 postage?
 
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I thought they were spending twice as much as they made like elessar123 was suggesting with his WoW analogy. Interesting. The article said streaming is still cheaper, so what are they being charged for the actual disc plus the .75 postage?

So the company is adjusting its pricing to reflect the cost of its DVD business and to help bring in more money to cover growing expenses for streaming content.

Sounds like they've been well prepared for the increase on the streaming side, and are squeezing the DVD supporters for a few more dollars to go in the streaming fund.
 
[quote name='NSYNC']I thought they were spending twice as much as they made like elessar123 was suggesting with his WoW analogy. Interesting. The article said streaming is still cheaper, so what are they being charged for the actual disc plus the .75 postage?[/QUOTE]

That was a simple analogy. On top of licensing costs, they have to pay for transmitting 25% of web traffic. That's money they fork over to Tier2 networks. Add in servers serving 25 million subscribers for high amounts of data.

It might actually be in their interest to create their own Tier 1/2 network... But I'm not sure about this part.

As for the figures you accused me of making up, those are officially reported figures.
 
they aren't squeezing anyone but trying to cover the disc shipping. Currently it costs them more to ship disc than the extra $2 they were charging. Ya'll were getting a great deal for so long but the free ride is over.

What that article doesn't say is the average DVD user gets 3 discs a month which is $2.25 not counting other costs. While it was nice that netflix was subsidizing that cost, you can't really expect them to do it forever.
 
Corporation does something controversial, people on internet argue with each other about it. Did I get that right?
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']So it doesn't get lost in the argument since I posted near the end of the last page:

And Blockbuster counters.

30 day free trial for netflix customers, and their one disc (with bluray) at a time plan is dropping to $9.99 starting (was $11.99 before I think). Game rentals are included in the plan as well.

http://www.finanznachrichten.de/20794558[/QUOTE]

You knew that was coming.

Netflix - no new releases, no 3+ month old games
vs
Blockbuster - new releases, 3+ month old games, 5 in-store trades

This price increase looks like it is going to hurt that much more.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Are you shitting me hiccup? You want to bring in any more out of context left field agenda talk? This is the Netflix streaming thread how you got Social Security, Obama, Unemployment, Economy, Inflation...dude we are not taking on the worlds many problems in the netflix thread. :roll: Also, dude you are coming across very entitled me centric here. Your entire post can be summed up with "Well I have no problems clearly its them."[/quote]

Earth to Soodmeg, raising prices is an economic matter. The economy is shit right now. That's really all I'm going to say about that, as even if I explained it to you it wouldn't make sense.

You can find movies for $2 to $4 that you like? Fantastic? What if I dont like the same things you do? Uh oh.
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:roll: Gee that's why there are a wide berth of movie companies producing a wide variety of films, so that if I don't really care for Rom Coms or don't want to see a horror film at the moment, there's always something else to watch. Of course you are always ENTITLED to vote with your wallet and just not pay to watch a film you aren't interested in. Also, what the fuck do I care whether you like the same things I do or not? How does that matter to the discussion at hand?

You have so many redboxes they are coming out of your ass? Fantastic...the nearest one to me (like Dmaul) is 5 miles away. Thats a 20 mile trip for a 99 cent movie.
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Sorry, that's a 10 mile round trip, not a 20 mile round trip. You really passed College math buddy. Typically when I go out for something I try to combine as many things into one trip/area when I go out.

I guess that doesnt matter because you have 50 of them. Can you go to some and mail them to me?
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Send a letter to Redbox/BBE and ask them to put more locations by you. See what they say. Isn't that what we do by relying on ourselves and being self-sufficient/independent. I don't get why it matter that I mail them to anyhow.

You can hit the theater for a buck fiddy? Damn dude can you give Netflix your movie pass? Then we wouldnt be in this mess.
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Ya, what? :wall::whistle2:s:whistle2:s:whistle2:s:whistle2:s:whistle2:s So I find deals to go the theatre/try to be economically/budget conscious and that's a bad thing?

Seriously hiccup if that post isnt flying off the handle I dont know what is. The bottom line comes down to this...if you dont think Netflix suits you than cancel it but thats not really a reason to have a call to arms and think they are the shittiest company known to man. You would honestly think they dumped radioactive dvd cases in a playground. They spent a lot of money on things they thought most people would like, it has to be paid for somehow. Now if you disagree with what they bought/the direction they are going in thats one thing but to sit here and pretend like you just got stab in the heart is bullshit. I just dont understand how anyone could think that its possible for them to get more content (IE spend money) yet you were not going to pay more for it? If it cost them money to bring the content to you then it will cost you money to receive said content. I am sorry but Netflix doesnt offer a dollar menu.
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You just tried to lob a grenade in any direction. This comes off as rantish and just all over the place. It'd take me longer to dissect it and respond, and I just simply value my time more than that (as you obviously don't). All I say at this point is, I will vote with my checkbook/dollar/credit card/money (to cover all bases so you can understand) and will drop the Netflix service as they clearly will no longer be offering me a service that I find value in.


I only graduated from college but I am pretty sure thats how business work.
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I'm sorry, get some real world experience man, and then we'll really talk.
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Hiccup figured out how to do multiple quotes in one post! High five!! :D

I've been watching the Netflix stock for a few days. It's been hovering between 298 and 300 since the announcement, but since it opened this morning, it's tumbled down more than $12 a share. It's now sitting at $286, the lowest point it's been in a week. It's the biggest drop so far since the new price plans. It's still pretty good news, though, as it was about $245 this time last month.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']Sorry, that's a 10 mile round trip, not a 20 mile round trip. You really passed College math buddy.[/QUOTE]

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