New PS2 model officially announced SCPH-70000

A standard 3.5" hard drive is definitely not going inside that thing. An external unit is feasible but it isn't clear what connection would be used. The USB ports, unless they've been upgraded to USB 2.0, are much too slow. I cannot spot any other suitable ports in the pictures nor any removable panels to expose a hidden port.
 
Damn, I really wanted this but I have no room for another top loading system in my current set up. Guess I will stick with my old-school PS2.


^It sure is small though. Hot damn!
 
[quote name='IGN']What's particularly interesting about the new SCPH-70000, however, is that it cannot use the Hard Drive (HDD) needed for games such as Final Fantasy XI, and well, Final Fantasy Xi's expansion packs.

It has also been confirmed that some software will not be compatible with the new unit, but what those titles are have not been revealed.[/quote]

WTF?
 
I hope they fix the god damn DDE's this time.

And it looks like they've abandoned their hard drive peripheral.

It has also been confirmed that some software will not be compatible with the new unit
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I wonder what... If its anything important it'll suck.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']
Can you say HDLoader?
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Well, if you can't use a hard drive at all in the first place...[/quote]

Makes you wonder , doesn't it? Did Sony perceive HDLoader and its ilk as making piracy so convenient and easy it was worth limiting the future growth of PS2 HDD usage?
 
Makes you wonder , doesn't it? Did Sony perceive HDLoader and its ilk as making piracy so convenient and easy it was worth limiting the future growth of PS2 HDD usage?
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Its possible, but I dunno... They might have abandoned it anyway since it didn't really take off. Probably both.
 
I was considering that, too. The number of registered North American FF XI console players would be revealing. Perhaps if it hadn't taken them three years to release the damn thing.
 
Even if it was wildly successful, its only one game. Most peripherals fail anyway. Any details on what the price point will be?
 
Don't forget RE:Outbreak pretty much requires the HDD to be tolerable. And GT4 is supposed to support it, and and .... Damn, the FF XI is an expensive game.

I suspect the rumored price point of the current $150 may be correct. The original style Ps2 is almost gone from the retail channel but not entirely. They want to make sure all of those move so undercutting the price on those would be bad. Also, although the PStwo is designed to reduce cost there is still a lot of one-time cost in getting it to market. So the first big price break may not come until after the Holiday season.

I suppose Sony could give the competition a real pounding if the new model was accompanied by a major price drop but there may be supply issues that would blunt such a plan.

I expect we'll know the full details very soon.
 
Sony better hope that this new model doesn't have more dre problems or other design flaws like the flip top breaking too easily, etc.

And frankly I don't think people are gonna swallow it being the same price when they removed HD support. Regardless I ain't paying more than $99
 
wow it totally slim down and is shorter.. half of its weight is gone like magic

anyways what a guy (xbox lover) said on the engadget site is interesting.. consider it to be use as a portable dvd player. i'd love to get it but eh money and what games wouldnt be compatible with the PSTwo anyone know beside ffxi?
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Even if it was wildly successful, its only one game. Most peripherals fail anyway. Any details on what the price point will be?[/quote]

Most expensive peripherals fail. It's an important distinction. The Rumble Pak caught on so well you can no longer buy a console that doesn't have vibration effects built in. http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,1842,00.html for onr of my few occasions of writing under my own name.

Likewise for the N64 RAM Expander. It was cheap, delivered a real benefit to games, and got lots of support.

The way I see it, a console add-on item should cost no more than a full price game. The EyeToy is a good example. For $50 it makes most of its purchasers happy without really requiring further software support. That a fair library of EyeToy games is coming together is a bonus.
 
[quote name='1SwtDeception']wow it totally slim down and is shorter.. half of its weight is gone like magic

anyways what a guy (xbox lover) said on the engadget site is interesting.. consider it to be use as a portable dvd player. i'd love to get it but eh money and what games wouldnt be compatible with the PSTwo anyone know beside ffxi?[/quote]

Wouldn't a screen be needed? If you mean connecting to screens as you find them I can offer a cheaper solution. THe CyberHome units for $40 are even smaller and play alost every format that doesn't involve a proprietary codec.
 
I might look into picking this thing up. I need a PS2, and I don't plan on playing FFXI or using the HD too much. In fact, I would have been fine with taking out the Network Adapter too, but it's fine...
 
[quote name='beerguy961']I might look into picking this thing up. I need a PS2, and I don't plan on playing FFXI or using the HD too much. In fact, I would have been fine with taking out the Network Adapter too, but it's fine...[/quote]

The funny thing is, the only reason I have the Network Adapter is to install a hard drive for HDLoader.

You just know the first day this thing is in stores somebody is going to dissect one and put all the pictures on their site. They'll be looking for any traces of the IDE connector.
 
[quote name='Theenternal']This would be a nice replacement to the psone, espcially if some more mobility hardware could be designed for it.[/quote]

I'm not sure but some of the pictures give me the impression they put a couple of mount point on the back to attach a screen.
 
I like the way it's designed, but I need my HDD... That was like good news followed by bad news.

They better not remove the 50001 from the market, I still haven't gotten one.
 
I know, that design looks so slick. I can't believe it's that tiny. I most definitely want to buy that version of the PS2. I love small things, unlike that monster looking console, the Xbox.

I think it's a myth about being saying about PS2 and DRE. I've had my PS2 for a long time, played ir for 550 days straight, and it's the best working console for me out of the three. The only thing that ever happened was one freeze, but it was on a Blockbuster rental that never worked on any system. If any system has too many DRE, it's Xbox. Mine has been repaired way too many times and still barely works.
 
[quote name='Samurai T']I know, that design looks so slick. I can't believe it's that tiny. I most definitely want to buy that version of the PS2. I love small things, unlike that monster looking console, the Xbox.

I think it's a myth about being saying about PS2 and DRE. I've had my PS2 for a long time, played ir for 550 days straight, and it's the best working console for me out of the three. The only thing that ever happened was one freeze, but it was on a Blockbuster rental that never worked on any system. If any system has too many DRE, it's Xbox. Mine has been repaired way too many times and still barely works.[/quote]

I owned a PS2 for only five months and it crapped out on me yesterday. I am EXTREMELY upset, as I am OCD with taking care of my gaming stuff and this is the first time ever I have had anything break down. It's ridiculous.

And there's certainly no myth about PS2/DREs. There's freaking tutorials everywhere on how to fix it, and Sony acknowledges that it's a major problem. Stupid Sony.
 
I think it's a myth about being saying about PS2 and DRE.
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Yeah, that's what I used to tell people with a smirk on my face until I looked up at my screen one day and saw "DISK READ ERROR". :?
 
Is IGN certain about the lack of HD, I wonder? I can't imagine Sony would want to alienate Square in any way and rendering one of their big titles unplayable on all future PS2s would be a good start in that direction. Maybe an external HD dock is in the works, or something.
 
Some software may not be compatible... a PS2 that won't run PS2 games? Nooooo... I'll stick with what I have, thank you... until it becomes dropped in price to the $99 mark...
 
This makes me glad I haven't made the plunge to buy a PS2 yet. This is something I've gotta have!

Any chance that the XBOX could be made to be half the size?
 
[quote name='jmcc']Is IGN certain about the lack of HD, I wonder? I can't imagine Sony would want to alienate Square in any way and rendering one of their big titles unplayable on all future PS2s would be a good start in that direction. Maybe an external HD dock is in the works, or something.[/quote]

It's not like the PSOne--they aren't going to stop making the old-style PS2s completely. They are going to sell them both.

I can see this on eBay right now: LIMITED old style PS2! You can't use a hard drive anymore, so buy this "rare" one for $$$$!
 
That is the deal. Too bad I'm not in the market for a PS2. I wish that it would have been introduced that small when it first came out
 
I like the design, but I'm not sure I'll be picking up one of these. This thing doesn't support the PS2 Linux kit, which I own. I've had a hard drive in my PS2 for 2 years and I'm not about to give it up now. Maybe in a few years when working old style PS2's are deemed rare (which they will) I'll throw it up on Ebay. A PS2 with the linux kit AND an official HD loader? Oh yea. Money baby. Money.
 
its a top loader.... now that i think about it... its gonna be mighty awkward openind that lid to the side if you have it on the vertical stand...

that drive peg better ber sturdy.
 
[quote name='daphatty'][quote name='epobirs']It's a top loader. Not surprising since that cuts cost.

http://www.engadget.com/entry/3744286874239486[/quote]

Where did you see that it's a top loader? That looks like an eject button on the face plate to me.[/quote]

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edit: looking at that, there seems to be some space on the left side and what looks like a button or something on the front. It doesn't look large enough for a hard drive to fit in, but a notebook hd, maybe...
 
[quote name='Samurai T']I think it's a myth about being saying about PS2 and DRE.[/quote]
You're wrong. Its happened to me twice and its a design flaw in every version of the PS2 to date, because they used a cheap plastic part in the cd drive and never replaced it even after knowing it would always, always, always break down eventually. Its like a built in self destruct mechanism that forces you to buy a new PS2 every X amount of miles you put on it. I seriously hope that this is finally fixed in the PStwo.
 
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I would spend 149 on this new awesome looking ps2 IF it will support HDD
if not. then whats the point?

Plus it wont work on all ps2 games? wtf?
 
It better be $99... otherwise why buy it? The old system supports the harddrive and the new one doesn't!
 
I might have to pick this up when it hits $99 assuming it can play most of my games (I'd probably keep my current PS2). It's so much smaller and compact! I can't get it though until I get an Xbox (also waiting for $99 on that:) ).
 
[quote name='daphatty']I still don't understand why they couldn't have accomodated a HD. Hell a 2.5 inch laptop drive would have sufficed. :roll:[/quote]

Look at prices for 2.5" laptop drives. There is a significant premium. If you think Sony overcharges for the curent drives just imagine how much worse it could get if the cost to them was genuinely greater.

Barring a hidden S-ATA connector somewhere on the machine I'd tend to believe the hard drive is being written off as failed experiment until the PS3. Sony has only themselves to blame. They first had the PCMCIA Type III slot on first gen Japan PS2s that could only be used with an outboard drive due to the expense of a Type III drive. Then they went the better part of four years in the US market with no drive support at all. (Before you start, DaPhatty, the Linux Kit is meaningless in market terms and in driving developer support for HDD.) So now they're disappointed the developer community has all gotten in line to support the drive?

For a company that that achieves such greatness they can also be terribly dense.
 
[quote name='ElwoodCuse'][quote name='jmcc']Is IGN certain about the lack of HD, I wonder? I can't imagine Sony would want to alienate Square in any way and rendering one of their big titles unplayable on all future PS2s would be a good start in that direction. Maybe an external HD dock is in the works, or something.[/quote]

It's not like the PSOne--they aren't going to stop making the old-style PS2s completely. They are going to sell them both.

I can see this on eBay right now: LIMITED old style PS2! You can't use a hard drive anymore, so buy this "rare" one for $$$$![/quote]

Actually, by all indications, they've already stopped making the previous model of PS2. Ergo the recent shortages at retail. It's was no different in the transition from Playstation to PSone. The primary point of the new unit is to allow them to further cut the price. Going from a motorized tray to a simple latch mechanism shaves a few bucks right off the top. Most of the size reduction comes from the chipset integration and die shrink that greatly reduces heats. The die shrink means they also get many more chips produced for a given measure of wafer real estate. Anoth big cost cutter.

The day of the $99 PStwo is well on the way. No later than E3 I'd say, with a stopoff at $129 along the way.
 
[quote name='sying']smaller=morelikely to f up with all those pieces rubbing on each other.[/quote]

You make it sound like it's a box full of loose parts. The only moving parts are the drive mechaism. Everything else is inert and not exactly mobile.
 
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