New XBOX Experience - General Discussion

[quote name='Zyzomys']Shhh! Some lessons in life need to be learned the hard way! Personally I am looking forward to all the posts following November 17 with people complaining that the NXE broke their Xbox 360s and that their games will no longer play.[/quote]

Sad thing is, I can't wait for that to happen to some dumbasses. I just wonder if Gamestop is going to be nice or not.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Sad thing is, I can't wait for that to happen to some dumbasses. I just wonder if Gamestop is going to be nice or not.[/quote]
Why should they?
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']You still need to put the disc into the drive, in order to verify that you own the game.[/quote]

that sort of defeats the purpose of it for myself atleast
 
[quote name='guyver2077']that sort of defeats the purpose of it for myself atleast[/quote]

As has been mentioned before, there are more benefits from it, including increasing the lifespan of the DVD drive and decreasing load times. Also, you really can't expect them to NOT require the disc. I think we all know by now where that would lead.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']As has been mentioned before, there are more benefits from it, including increasing the lifespan of the DVD drive and decreasing load times. Also, you really can't expect them to NOT require the disc. I think we all know by now where that would lead.[/quote]


I support game installs for all reasons above and how it will allow the 360 to run a lot more quietly.
 
[quote name='GamerDaddy85']So I see you can copy games from the disc to the HDD with the new NXE. Whats to prevent us from renting from Blockbuster, and copying the game? This is funny to me, because a lot of people are gonna stop buying games and just rent/copy to HDD. Seven dollars for new releases? Not bad![/quote]

Yeah, you should hurry up and download it onto your XBox so you can rip the games onto your hard drive. That way you can trade in all of your games to Gamestop for a nice profit.

That's the true cheap ass way. :)
 
[quote name='Chase']I support game installs for all reasons above and how it will allow the 360 to run a lot more quietly.[/quote]

This is the biggest feature for me. A quiter, cooler system hopefully increases the system lifespan.
 
[quote name='GamerDaddy85']So I see you can copy games from the disc to the HDD with the new NXE. Whats to prevent us from renting from Blockbuster, and copying the game? This is funny to me, because a lot of people are gonna stop buying games and just rent/copy to HDD. Seven dollars for new releases? Not bad![/quote]
People are already doing this. The NXE update was leaked a week or two ago and that's what everyone is doing. Might want to get in on that leaked update before they patch the file...
 
[quote name='moojuice']Huh, I just got prompted to update again. Wonder what is going on.

And this one is gonna take a while...10+ minutes.[/quote]

Beta testing proof.
 
[quote name='SynGamer']People are already doing this. The NXE update was leaked a week or two ago and that's what everyone is doing. Might want to get in on that leaked update before they patch the file...[/quote]

Yeah. But remember, you have to wrap a towel around your 360 and stuff it into a cramped area, as well.
 
[quote name='Zyzomys']As soon as NXE is available on November 17 you should copy all your games to your hard drive and then take them to your local EBGames and trade them in immediately before the trade in values completely plummet. Better yet, download the bootleg version now, and do all the copying today. Then tonight you can get the best trade in values possible. Act now! Your trade in values will only suffer the longer you wait.[/quote]

HA! I was just going to say that, feeling all clever about myself; you beat me to it!

Better yet, we should all download and install the NXE early and copy all our games to our HDD and trade them in immediately.

I wonder if there will be a flood of this once NXE releases? And then a subsequent flood of "OMG... what have I done?"

("Please insert disc to play.")

Next, someone will say, "WTF is the point of installing it if you still need the disk?" :)

I'm surprised this feature was even included, seeing the confusion it has already wrought. I'm glad they included it, though; I'm already using it, and I already can't imagine living without it. Games should have had install options from the get-go the way some PS3 titles (Valkyria Chronicles, for one) excellently offer.

[quote name='thrustbucket']Well the poor kids first, but not last, confusion would arise on the 17th when the update didn't happen. Because it happens on the 19th.[/quote]

Ha!
 
[quote name='Jesse_Dylan']HA! I was just going to say that, feeling all clever about myself; you beat me to it!

Better yet, we should all download and install the NXE early and copy all our games to our HDD and trade them in immediately.

I wonder if there will be a flood of this once NXE releases? And then a subsequent flood of "OMG... what have I done?"

("Please insert disc to play.")

Next, someone will say, "WTF is the point of installing it if you still need the disk?" :)

I'm surprised this feature was even included, seeing the confusion it has already wrought. I'm glad they included it, though; I'm already using it, and I already can't imagine living without it. Games should have had install options from the get-go the way some PS3 titles (Valkyria Chronicles, for one) excellently offer.[/quote]

[quote name='thrustbucket']Well the poor kids first, but not last, confusion would arise on the 17th when the update didn't happen. Because it happens on the 19th.[/quote]

ha!
 
If I were a Gamestop employee, and it was the 19th, or soon thereafter, all 360 trade-ins would be accompanied by the 'Are you aware that even if you have the game installed on your HDD you still need the disc to play this game, right'?

Someone might disagree with me on this, but it's the smart business thing to do. Because once they figure out you still need the disc to play the game, they're going to feel they were tricked into trading the game in, and are never going to shop there again.
 
WOW WHAT A DEAL! Someone is selling a 120GB HD on eBay with Fable 2, Fallout 3, GoW2, and more for only $80!
Click to expand...
This will happen in the near future. Instead of people getting scammed by trading in stuff at Gamestop, other people will be capitalizing on this and gaining a profit.
 
[quote name='Chronotrigga']This will happen in the near future. Instead of people getting scammed by trading in stuff at Gamestop, other people will be capitalizing on this and gaining a profit.[/quote]

Hell I'd take a 120gb HDD for $80.
 
[quote name='Chronotrigga']This will happen in the near future. Instead of people getting scammed by trading in stuff at Gamestop, other people will be capitalizing on this and gaining a profit.[/quote]

I know Microsoft's intentions for this were good, but there's going to be so much shit with this feature it's going to be mindboggling.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']If I were a Gamestop employee, and it was the 19th, or soon thereafter, all 360 trade-ins would be accompanied by the 'Are you aware that even if you have the game installed on your HDD you still need the disc to play this game, right'?

Someone might disagree with me on this, but it's the smart business thing to do. Because once they figure out you still need the disc to play the game, they're going to feel they were tricked into trading the game in, and are never going to shop there again.[/quote]


The store my brother works at is doing this... I spoke to his manager at the GOW2 launch last week and he has instructed all his employees to do that since they all own a 360 they are aware of this feature coming etc...
 
[quote name='KingBroly']If I were a Gamestop employee, and it was the 19th, or soon thereafter, all 360 trade-ins would be accompanied by the 'Are you aware that even if you have the game installed on your HDD you still need the disc to play this game, right'?

Someone might disagree with me on this, but it's the smart business thing to do. Because once they figure out you still need the disc to play the game, they're going to feel they were tricked into trading the game in, and are never going to shop there again.[/quote]
What? From a business standpoint i'm not going to say anything. Let the dumb-ass(s) trade their games in only to realize they still need the disc. GameStop will not only rip the kids off with the trade-in, they'll rip them off again when the kid comes back to buy the games they traded in used.
 
[quote name='SynGamer']What? From a business standpoint i'm not going to say anything. Let the dumb-ass(s) trade their games in only to realize they still need the disc. GameStop will not only rip the kids off with the trade-in, they'll rip them off again when the kid comes back to buy the games they traded in used.[/quote]

It's long-term vs. short-term business. Why make money now when you could make more over the long run?
 
[quote name='KingBroly']It's long-term vs. short-term business. Why make money now when you could make more over the long run?[/quote]

It doesn't make any sense, Broly. Why is it Gamestop's job to inform their customers of this? And it's not like they ask you why you're trading your games in. Now, having a little poster/pamphlet around that informs about this from Microsoft would be a swell thing to do but they are by no means obligated to do that.

No one sane is going to get angry at Gamestop for buying their trade games, they are most likely to be pissed at Microsoft/360 than Gamestop.
 
[quote name='yukine']I

No one sane is going to get angry at Gamestop for buying their trade games, they are most likely to be pissed at Microsoft/360 than Gamestop.[/quote]

Yes, but how many sane people shop at GameStop? Most people that this is going to happen to ARE going to get mad at Gamestop, because what's the FIRST THING they're going to do when they get home and realize the problem?

That's right, go back to Gamestop and ask for their games back.

Of course, GS isn't going to do that. Then, what's the next option? Buy them back for the used prices?

Yeah, no way people are going to be mad at GS here. ;)


... I understand that it's not their problem, but people will always blame the immediate issue, not the overall one. Most won't even make the logical jump to blame MS, they'll just want their damn games back. So, yeah, if it comes down to it... Gamestop should confirm with people why they're trading in an entire stack of 360 games, at least for the first week.

It's something that should be done, if only to save GS employees massive personal headaches.
 
Well that is really difficult for me to comprehend, as it makes absolutely no sense to get pissed at Gamestop or any other store that accepts trades. Hell, it doesn't make any sense to get pissed at Microsoft either in my opinion.

Maybe I'm overestimating the logic of the typical gamer.
 
If someone were to trade all of their 360 games into Gamestop after installing them to the hard drive, it wouldn't be hard to get them back. People would just need to know the correct chain of command. As a business, it is that companies duty to know what is going on and inform their customers. With escalating the issue to a district manager or possibly higher up in corporate, I could see someone getting their games back without having to rebuy them. It isn't the first time I've heard of that happening.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']It's long-term vs. short-term business. Why make money now when you could make more over the long run?[/quote]
Here's my rational behind my decision;

Those dumb enough to actually think they can install the games, then trade them in have likely decided that they can rent games in the future and continue doing the same thing. That's piracy and for that, while at first they may not think of it as piracy, that is what they would be doing. But we know they need the disks still so shame on them.

As such, they will now have to repurchase their games. They will likely do so at GameStop (or other Video/Movie store) because they sell used games. The customer will be pissed in the short-run, but come to realize that they made a mistake. Long-term, they will likely continue to shop at GameStop (or other said stores) if they shopped their prior to the update.
 
[quote name='007']Yes, but how many sane people shop at GameStop? Most people that this is going to happen to ARE going to get mad at Gamestop, because what's the FIRST THING they're going to do when they get home and realize the problem?

That's right, go back to Gamestop and ask for their games back.

Of course, GS isn't going to do that. Then, what's the next option? Buy them back for the used prices?

Yeah, no way people are going to be mad at GS here. ;)

... I understand that it's not their problem, but people will always blame the immediate issue, not the overall one. Most won't even make the logical jump to blame MS, they'll just want their damn games back. So, yeah, if it comes down to it... Gamestop should confirm with people why they're trading in an entire stack of 360 games, at least for the first week.

It's something that should be done, if only to save GS employees massive personal headaches.[/quote]
fuck GS employees. They blow so much shit out of their asses it's not even funny.
 
[quote name='TrueBlueLS']If someone were to trade all of their 360 games into Gamestop after installing them to the hard drive, it wouldn't be hard to get them back. People would just need to know the correct chain of command. As a business, it is that companies duty to know what is going on and inform their customers. With escalating the issue to a district manager or possibly higher up in corporate, I could see someone getting their games back without having to rebuy them. It isn't the first time I've heard of that happening.[/quote]
Nononono...it is NOT their duty. Their duty is first and foremost to the shareholders I'm sure there is a lovely little message on the NXE when you install a game that tells you the game disc is still required. If someone could post screens from the install process, that would be great.
 
I'm trying to remember the sudden explosion of people trading in games after installing them when the PS3 came out....oh..it didn't happen. While people might be eager to try this, one would think that they would try playing the game without the disk before trading it in just to be sure it works. Either way I don't see this being such a big deal.
 
[quote name='Malik112099']I'm trying to remember the sudden explosion of people trading in games after installing them when the PS3 came out....oh..it didn't happen. While people might be eager to try this, one would think that they would try playing the game without the disk before trading it in just to be sure it works. Either way I don't see this being such a big deal.[/quote]

You can install games on PS3? Aren't they rather large, being on Blu-Ray?

Whatever the case, this is a "new" feature on the 360, lots of hype floating around about it, and lots of people not understanding what it does or what it's for. I think we also have a larger base of less savvy folk on the 360. I'm not saying there'll be an explosion, but there will be some of it. It's amazing how many people I've heard say, "It comes out the same day as Last Remnant! I'm gonna install it and trade it in right away!" and things like that.

[quote name='woodcan']I got an $80 120GB HDD on clearance at Target tonight![/quote]

Dang... I got mine there for $125! I wonder if I should've waited. I don't suppose I could get a partial refund? I don't know if I even have the receipt, so I guess not!
 
[quote name='SynGamer']
Those dumb enough to actually think they can install the games, then trade them in have likely decided that they can rent games in the future and continue doing the same thing. That's piracy and for that, while at first they may not think of it as piracy, that is what they would be doing. But we know they need the disks still so shame on them.
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Exactly. The onus falls on the pirate consumer. If they think they can pirate install all their games and trade them in willy-nilly, that's their own damn fault. However I do believe there should be a strong disclaimer on the dashboard about installs.
 
Has anyone tried to play an installed game without the disk?

EDIT: Just tried Fallout...you have to go to the Game Library then you can choose one of your games. When i chose fallout it had the "play from hard drive" option and when I picked it, it told me to insert the disk. This is exactly what I thought it would do other than giving me the option to play the game even without a disk in the tray.
 
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How is this confusing? The ps3 basically does the same thing!!!

If anything, it should be marketed just like the ps3's feature. You can load your games faster with quieter effects. Anyone who thinks they're smart by just installing their games and then returning it DESERVES to be milked like cereal!

Shoot, I had concerns about the feature too. So, you know what I did? I SEARCHED FOR INFORMATION!!! Went to this thread. All M$ has to do is tell me that by loading fable 2 on my HD, I can finallly run through it without hearing my 360 weeze and gasp for breath.
 
The difference between the PS3 installs and 360 installs is the whole game is not installed to the PS3 Only selected parts are installed to help with loading times etc... In the case of the 360 the whole game is installed to the hard drive.
 
[quote name='strongpimphand']How is this confusing? The ps3 basically does the same thing!!!

If anything, it should be marketed just like the ps3's feature. You can load your games faster with quieter effects. Anyone who thinks they're smart by just installing their games and then returning it DESERVES to be milked like cereal!
[/quote]


PS3 does mandatory partial installs just to get load times to normal. They don't market it...in fact, they try to keep quiet about that.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I am actually continuously surprised by how many people on CAG still have NOT boycotted GS.[/quote]

Because overall, it's the most convenient option to get "cheap" games. And the site is called "cheap" ass gamer. Sure, people run into problems dealing with them, but please name one retailer that doesn't have a vocal crowd of haters. Even amazon has issues.
 
[quote name='greyzieoriental']has anyone tried taking the disc out during playing from the HDD?[/quote]
It kicks you back to the dash if I remember correctly.
 
I have no issue with paying for Xbox Live Gold each year. I do have issue with how advertisements run rampant throughout NXE. I browsed screenshots of the new interface, and there are far too many advertisements.
 
[quote name='Chase']I have no issue with paying for Xbox Live Gold each year. I do have issue with how advertisements run rampant throughout NXE. I browsed screenshots of the new interface, and there are far too many advertisements.[/QUOTE]

I agree. A live subscription should omit advertisements.
 
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