NFL 2010-2011 Season Discussion Thread

[quote name='fatmanforlife99']I wonder why your getting the Jags and Colts game?:whistle2:k[/QUOTE]

Well I guess the whole being in Jacksonville is part of it. :bomb:

That is on CBS though, you'd think on Fox they'd show a game that could really have far reaching effects on a division race.
 
It's screwy the way they handle the broadcasting rights in the NFL.. each week either CBS or FOX gets the right to broadcast a double header and something to do with your home teams game forcing the non-double header network to broadcast the game.. yadda yadda yadda.. I honestly don't know the specifics or how to explain, but that's why.
 
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/12/cleveland_browns_coach_eric_ma_27.html

My favorite quote -

"He (Mangini) said if McCoy is not healthy, he'll start Jake Delhomme, who earned a 49.2 rating against the Dolphins"

Hello!? Wallace? Remember him? Anyone!?

I don't think that there is a word that can describe how I feel about that statement.

Delhomme is not Peyton Manning. He doesn't have one or two bad games and then comes back throwing 300+ yards and 3 touchdowns. Delhomme is a tree that cannot scramble or throw the ball 40 yards.
 
I am so ready to see Favre's old melodramatic ass gone from the league. I wish I could see the game tonight just to see his ass on the sideline.
 
He got suspended without pay for the rest of the year and fined $25,000. Good. It's about time the Jets' goon mentality bit someone in the ass. Too bad it was just some lowly coach.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']He got suspended without pay for the rest of the year and fined $25,000. Good. It's about time the Jets' goon mentality bit someone in the ass. Too bad it was just some lowly coach.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I heard about that since I first posted. The Jets suspended him themselves though and it was just through the end of the season including post season. Ohh boy, 4 (3+1) games is gonna hurt him. I like that he was suspended without pay though, at least that'll hit him in the pocket book.
 
Vikings are 6th in QB hits allowed.
Bears are 4th in QB hits allowed and 1st in sacks allowed.
Panthers and Cardinals also rank really high up there and they are down to like 4th string QB's.

It's amazing that the Bears have as many wins as they do, their D is holding that team together.

Tom Brady? He's getting hit like 3 times per game on his hot streak.
 
It wasn't pretty but it sets up next week. A win against Philly and the Giants jump from the #6 seed to the #2 seed - a bye and a home playoff game in round 2. It is a HUGE game.
 
[quote name='Tony208']Vikings are 6th in QB hits allowed.
Bears are 4th in QB hits allowed and 1st in sacks allowed.
Panthers and Cardinals also rank really high up there and they are down to like 4th string QB's.

It's amazing that the Bears have as many wins as they do, their D is holding that team together.

Tom Brady? He's getting hit like 3 times per game on his hot streak.[/QUOTE]


I see a lot of comparisons to be drawn between the Bears and the Jets. They both have QBs who think they are more than they are, albeit one of them is much cockier about it (Cutler). Their defense is the only thing keeping them relevant and they have almost the same record. The difference though? One (Jets) is the media darling in the NFL, the other (Bears) everyone is still expecting to falter. Don't get me wrong though, I don't like either one but the Jets are already showing signs of breaking, surprisingly the Bears aren't so why still the Jets are winning the Super Bowl hype and nothing about the Bears?

I can't stand the Patriots and/or Belichick but you gotta give them credit for their ability to adapt. A few years ago, all you had to do as a defense was get to Brady once in a game and their whole offense was thrown off. Now he gets tossed around like a ragdoll and its just shrugged off. Additionally, it seems like they never play the same team the same way. They keep everyone on their toes offensively and defensively. They're a pain in the ass to depend on for fantasy football but if I was a fan I'd be loving it.
 
It's because the coach of the Jets is AWESOME. Seriously, how can you not love Rex Ryan? Also, the Jets have highly touted players at all of the skill positions - they are expected to be good. The Bears are doing it with smoke and mirrors. I've watched them twice this year (against the Giants and Eagles) and they looked like 2 completely different teams.

I also hate the Patriots but they are the best team with the best coach and the best player. Brady is sick and even though he doesn't have the stats that Manning has I will always consider him to be the better QB. Maybe the second best ever considering the people he has had to throw to over his career (Elway is the best ever, IMO). They are always in every game because of their preparation and their mental toughness and that is squarely on the coaching staff. Belichik is a douche but god damn he is GREAT at what he does.
 
I think that was the first Monday night game in Detroit in like 15 years. Where did Farve's streak end will be a sports quiz question for years to come.
 
[quote name='javeryh'] Brady is sick and even though he doesn't have the stats that Manning has I will always consider him to be the better QB. [/QUOTE]

I think it's been discussed in here before, but Brady is simply a product of the system he's in, imo. Sure, he's good, but plug in a scrub like Matt Cassel and he still throws for nearly 4,000 yards.
 
[quote name='TC']I think that was the first Monday night game in Detroit in like 15 years. Where did Farve's streak end will be a sports quiz question for years to come.[/QUOTE]

The question should be where did it end and what teams were playing - the fact that it was a Giants/Vikings game and it happened in Detroit is what makes it odd. Will he ever take another snap in the NFL? I'm not sure but it wouldn't surprise me AT ALL if he was put on IR this year and then tried one more time next year because he wants to go out on his terms, etc. Testaverde played until he was like 43 or 44 didn't he?
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']I think it's been discussed in here before, but Brady is simply a product of the system he's in, imo. Sure, he's good, but plug in a scrub like Matt Cassel and he still throws for nearly 4,000 yards.[/QUOTE]

Your opinion is wrong.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']I think it's been discussed in here before, but Brady is simply a product of the system he's in, imo. Sure, he's good, but plug in a scrub like Matt Cassel and he still throws for nearly 4,000 yards.[/QUOTE]

We can agree to disagree but Brady has more titles and has been surrounded by far less talent and has never really had a running game. Edgerrin James and Joseph Addai are both way better than any RB Brady ever handed the ball to AND Manning has had way better receivers throughout his career. Also, there have been at least 2 or 3 years where the Colts had the better team and they choked in the playoffs. Brady has ice in his veins.

Also, Cassel is proving this season that he is not a scrub - he was playing at an elite level for a good part of the season after a slow start. I guess we will find out if the next QB that Belichik has also get to the HoF...
 
I'm sure Brady himself would be the first to thank Belichick for all he has done for him, but to say he is "simply" a product of the system is a bit silly. You can't just plug in any scrub and have him have the CAREER Brady has had. The key word, of course, being career. Plenty of average NFL QBs have had the stars align for them in order to have a huge season or two. But look at Brady's career. If you think just anyone could that, you are simply wrong.

And as the poster above mentioned, it's hard to call Cassel a scrub. Yes, he played poorly last year, but he stepped it up again this season.
 
[quote name='javeryh']A win against Philly and the Giants jump from the #6 seed to the #2 seed - a bye and a home playoff game in round 2. It is a HUGE game.[/QUOTE]

I.e. The Giants are going to be the #6 seed. ;)
 
Eli Manning has been sacked 13 times for fewest in the league and hit only 41 times for 3rd fewest. somehow he leads the league in turnovers
 
[quote name='Tony208']Eli Manning has been sacked 13 times for fewest in the league and hit only 41 times for 3rd fewest. somehow he leads the league in turnovers[/QUOTE]

I'd say it's a combination of some bad luck (a lot of tipped balls) and being not really all that good.
 
[quote name='Hell Monkey']I.e. The Giants are going to be the #6 seed. ;)[/QUOTE]

I don't know... the last time they played the Giants were without 4 starters on offenseand they had the lead with 4 minutes to go in Philly. It will be a tough game but I like the Giants chances.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']I think it's been discussed in here before, but Brady is simply a product of the system he's in, imo. Sure, he's good, but plug in a scrub like Matt Cassel and he still throws for nearly 4,000 yards.[/QUOTE]

Cassel has the 5th best passer rating this year, 6th in TDs, tied for least interceptions... all in KC. I don't think you can call him a scrub.

Point is, if I had to pick 1 QB in the league to lead my team to the Super Bowl, it'd be Brady without hesitation.
 
[quote name='Tony208']Eli Manning has been sacked 13 times for fewest in the league and hit only 41 times for 3rd fewest. somehow he leads the league in turnovers[/QUOTE]

[quote name='bvharris']I'd say it's a combination of some bad luck (a lot of tipped balls) and being not really all that good.[/QUOTE]

Early in the year, it was a lot and lot of bad luck. It seemed like everyone had butter fingers for the first few games. Lately, he has thrown some really awful balls.

Eli is a funny beast. He is wildly inconsistent. He has had stretches where he looks like an elite quarterback. Then, he has moments where he looks like a guy at the bottom of the ladder.

[quote name='javeryh']I don't know... the last time they played the Giants were without 4 starters on offenseand they had the lead with 4 minutes to go in Philly. It will be a tough game but I like the Giants chances.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the Giants definitely have a good shot. Don't forget that they were down 7 and driving when Eli fumbled the ball on that bonehead drive. They also did a pretty good job of containing Vick. He threw for over 200, but with no touchdowns. On the ground, he only had 30 something yards with a score. Unfortunately, the Giants still look like the walking wounded.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']Cassel has the 5th best passer rating this year, 6th in TDs, tied for least interceptions... all in KC. I don't think you can call him a scrub.

Point is, if I had to pick 1 QB in the league to lead my team to the Super Bowl, it'd be Brady without hesitation.[/QUOTE]

Though when you have the number 1 rushing offense in the league it makes things a little easier. KC's pass offense is ranked 28th. Not saying Cassel isn't having a good year, he is getting the job done when needed to and he is not turning the ball over. Passer rating is a pretty useless stat as well.
 
[quote name='javeryh']I don't know... the last time they played the Giants were without 4 starters on offenseand they had the lead with 4 minutes to go in Philly. It will be a tough game but I like the Giants chances.[/QUOTE]

Didn't Manningham and Smith get hurt again Monday night? I just don't think a bunch of no name receivers (Nicks is good but he is only one left) can win it. Run D has been the Eagles strong point lately, pass D the weakness.

We'll see how it goes. The lack of Bradley in the middle could indeed soften the Run D up for that Bradshaw & Jacobs combo who are both beasts and I have no clue if Samuels is playing.
 
[quote name='Hell Monkey']Didn't Manningham and Smith get hurt again Monday night? I just don't think a bunch of no name receivers (Nicks is good but he is only one left) can win it. Run D has been the Eagles strong point lately, pass D the weakness.

We'll see how it goes. The lack of Bradley in the middle could indeed soften the Run D up for that Bradshaw & Jacobs combo who are both beasts and I have no clue if Samuels is playing.[/QUOTE]

Smith is out. Not sure about Manningham. Injuries are killing the Giants. The ground game has been really good lately though - hopefully they won't need to pass all that much.

[quote name='According to CBS']CB Asante Samuel worked out Monday at the Eagles' training facility, and coach Andy Reid thinks he'll be ready to practice on Wednesday, and be able to play Sunday against the Giants. (Updated 12/13/10)[/QUOTE]

Looks like Samuel will go against the Giants - not sure how effective he will be if he is limited in any way since he relies on speed and quickness so much.
 
[quote name='javeryh']
Looks like Samuel will go against the Giants - not sure how effective he will be if he is limited in any way since he relies on speed and quickness so much.[/QUOTE]

From my memories of him with the Pats, he relied more on freelancing on every play and trying to jump routes - which certainly lead to plenty of picks but also lead to him getting eaten alive by good QBs. I haven't really watched him on a weekly basis since he left though, so maybe he's improved on that.
 
[quote name='bvharris']From my memories of him with the Pats, he relied more on freelancing on every play and trying to jump routes - which certainly lead to plenty of picks but also lead to him getting eaten alive by good QBs. I haven't really watched him on a weekly basis since he left though, so maybe he's improved on that.[/QUOTE]

yeah - I just meant playing as a CB generally. He has to be able to shadow opposing players which requires a lot of direction changes and bursts of speed. As far as his individual playing style - he definitely tries to jump routes all the time. He's pretty good at it but can get burned.
 
[quote name='bvharris']From my memories of him with the Pats, he relied more on freelancing on every play and trying to jump routes - which certainly lead to plenty of picks but also lead to him getting eaten alive by good QBs. I haven't really watched him on a weekly basis since he left though, so maybe he's improved on that.[/QUOTE]

Not to much. The Eagles though usually keep the SS back a bit in a coverage situation in case that occurs. (so rather then a TD it maybe just a first down is Samuels misses the pick or deflection)
 
[quote name='javeryh']Smith is out. Not sure about Manningham. Injuries are killing the Giants. The ground game has been really good lately though - hopefully they won't need to pass all that much.[/QUOTE]

Yep, Smith is done for the year. That really sucks. But Manningham might still be a go. Plus, people forget that Kevin Boss is quite the damn good receiver from the tight end position. Manning doesn't always target him a lot when everyone is healthy, but you might start seeing him featuring him a lot more. Of course, Manning's tendency to sail the ball over the middle will likely get Boss hurt, too.
 
[quote name='javeryh']He's out for the YEAR? Really? Dammit.[/QUOTE]

Yep. Season-ending knee surgery. Real shame, too. Not only for the team, obviously, but you gotta feel for Smith. He was having another solid season, gets hurt, comes back, and then has his season ended. The guy has a real passion to play, too. I follow him on Facebook, and with all of the delays of this week's game, he seemed like he was really antsy to get back out on the field.
 
Jets need to get back to the running game, they won a few close ones with passing and they think they can air it out but they can't. smoke and mirrors

only Bernard Berrian drops more passes than the Jets receivers
 
[quote name='QiG']It's screwy the way they handle the broadcasting rights in the NFL.. each week either CBS or FOX gets the right to broadcast a double header and something to do with your home teams game forcing the non-double header network to broadcast the game.. yadda yadda yadda.. I honestly don't know the specifics or how to explain, but that's why.[/QUOTE]

Let me rephrase.. if the station with the double header is broadcasting your home team, the other station is blacked out from showing a game at the same time... i.e. - CBS has the double header this week and Cleveland is playing at 1, so all the FOX broadcast games at 1 (the good ones this week) are blacked out and we're stuck with the 4 game on Fox as the only alternative.. Atlanta and Seattle (ugh).
 
[quote name='Tony208']Jets need to get back to the running game, they won a few close ones with passing and they think they can air it out but they can't. smoke and mirrors

only Bernard Berrian drops more passes than the Jets receivers[/QUOTE]

Only they haven't really been running it that effectively of late either. Their offense is what they like to call "not good".
 
Update: Though Manningham is dealing with a hip injury, he seems confident that he will be available for this weekend’s game against the Eagles, Ralph Vacchiano of the Daily News reports. “I’m good. I’ll be out there on Sunday,” Manningham said Wednesday.
Click to expand...

So Manningham and Samuels can go out and hobble against each other, lol.
 
[quote name='DrMunkee']http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/12/cleveland_browns_coach_eric_ma_27.html

My favorite quote -

"He (Mangini) said if McCoy is not healthy, he'll start Jake Delhomme, who earned a 49.2 rating against the Dolphins"

Hello!? Wallace? Remember him? Anyone!?

I don't think that there is a word that can describe how I feel about that statement.

Delhomme is not Peyton Manning. He doesn't have one or two bad games and then comes back throwing 300+ yards and 3 touchdowns. Delhomme is a tree that cannot scramble or throw the ball 40 yards.[/QUOTE]
That's the one major negative about Mangini. He'll make a bad decision and refuse to go back on it until things get really bad, which resulted in Derek Anderson starting for way too long before Brady Quinn was put back in last year.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Only they haven't really been running it that effectively of late either. Their offense is what they like to call "not good".[/QUOTE]

Yup, the Jets offense goes when the running is good. Sanchez can't carry the offense to save his life. As I said before, part of the reason is also the OC, Schottenheimer. His plays get too predictable and he can't adapt well to how the defense plays them.
 
Sanchez is simply being asked to do far more than he's capable of doing at this point in his career (whether he'll ever be is up for debate). Look at a guy like Big Ben for contrast, who threw far less his first few years as he learned the offense.

It's possible Sanchez was doomed from the start with how hyped he was in New York. I wouldn't think that would be an easy place to come of age as a QB.
 
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