NHL 2012-2013 Season- Let's do this. Games start January 19

Following from the outside, can someone explain the "make whole" issue? It only seems fair that players get every penny of the bloated contracts the idiot owners signed them to. Nashville shouldn't have matched the offer sheet for Shea Weber if they couldn't afford him; maybe Minnesota will cash itself into financial oblivion (or NHL ownership) by signing Suter and Parise to preposterous deals.

And this also means the Flyers, to my chagrin, owe Bryzgalov every overpaid penny of the fickle, insane motherfucker's contract.

But if the CBA limits contracts or truncates owner responsibilities in some way, where does the "make whole" fit in here? It seems disgusting to me that owners would sign enormous, long, bloated and front-loaded contracts for players and then immediately try to wiggle out of those contracts.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Some poor little Slovak got smoked today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TIWWQ24wVg


Not sure how I feel about this hit. If it's in the NHL I'm fine with it, a pro should protect himself in that situation and be aware that the forecheck is coming, but maybe in junior hockey if you want to have a few more rules to protect kids from getting their heads taken off that would be ok too.[/QUOTE]

The kid looked up once before keeping his head down for a good 4-5 seconds, knowing the checking was coming. Clean, but vicious, hit. BS penalty.
 
Replays showed that Camara took two steps and then glided the last 10 feet before making contact. Luza shouldn't have kept his head down so long. Hard hit, but legal from my perspective.
 
That's a really hard hit but I can't call that a penalty. Luza has a mild concussion apparently. I guess the referees were a bit frightened by the commotion surrounding the injured player and felt some pressure to make a call.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']So what happens if you're a season ticket holder? Are you on the hook for the payments still? How easy/difficult (okay, difficult) is it to get out of them?

It seems the teams should be bending over backwards to not fuck season ticket holders, and to make sure that they court those people - the big spenders and the die hards. But my guess is they're more likely to take them for granted, and squeeze them for another nickel.[/QUOTE]

I think it depends on the team.

I had a partial season ticket plan with the Flyers and you could either keep your tickets and gain interest on whatever money you had already paid which would go towards the rest of your payments or a refund on the money you've already paid, but you'd still be a ticket holder and if/when they resumed.

I asked if I could cancel my plan and they obliged.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']At this point however is there really much of a season left if some kind of agreement is made?[/QUOTE]

They have time for a 48 game season...which has been done before (shortened 1994 season). Bettman said they won't play less than 48 games. So, this is basically the last chance to have a season. If they don't reach an agreement now, the season gets cancelled and things get awfully messy with lawsuits and court proceedings.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']They have time for a 48 game season...which has been done before (shortened 1994 season). Bettman said they won't play less than 48 games. So, this is basically the last chance to have a season. If they don't reach an agreement now, the season gets cancelled and things get awfully messy with lawsuits and court proceedings.[/QUOTE]

Not to mention the NHL loses whatever credibility it had built up after the last lockout.

How the hell Bettman keeps his job astounds me.
 
[quote name='DNukem170']Not to mention the NHL loses whatever credibility it had built up after the last lockout.[/quote]

They still have credibility at this moment?

How the hell Bettman keeps his job astounds me.
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Because the NHL owners get what they want out of him - more people buy into "both sides are at fault" tripe than they do seeing the owners and league as being responsible for their own losses (due to signing bloated front-loaded contracts for way too long as well as their refusal to admit they need to move from cities where they can't turn a profit, like Phoenix).

No matter what CBA is signed, the PA will be giving up *something* to the owners, meaning the owners win. If 50/50 HRR sharing seems reasonable to you now, you're incidentally supporting the owners taking money from the players to cover ownership-level fuckups. If you decry the PA fighting back as "millionaires fighting with millionaires," you show an incuriosity to the true power play that is going on. And if you think "why don't they all just shut up and play hockey," you don't care about an ownership-level power play that fucks the players for the sins of the owners.

And that apathy, dear friend, is why Bettman keeps his job, and will keep his job.

Let's be honest - the 8 teams keeping the lockout going to the chagrin of the other 22 teams are the villains here. Jeremy Jacobs and Ted Leonisis the worst of all. The NHL having a vote (via PHX) is an enormous conflict of interest that should not be allowed. Allowing 8 owners to dictate what 30 are required to do is a frighteningly low threshold - just over 25% is all it takes (compare that with 700+ players voting for a disclosure of interest vs. ~52 against).
 
OMG. About damn time!

EDIT: "technically" we have a framework...but here are some of the key items:

Some of the final compromises: The term of the CBA will be 10 years, with an out after eight years. Contract lengths will be limited to seven years, or eight if a team re-signs its own player. The salary cap in Year 2 will be $64.3 million, the same as it was last season. All were contentious issues.
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[quote name='DNukem170']Does this mean all this will happen again in 2021?[/QUOTE]

Unless they figure out a way to contend the CBA sooner, yes. Yes, it will.
 
Yeah, the hesitation in all this just makes me nervous. Words like "framework" and "tentative" and "almost" just make it feel like either side could get pissy at any moment and call the whole thing off. Let's get this damn thing ratified and get the teams practicing already.
 
Zero chance this falls apart. When the NFL reached a "tentative" deal, the players were like "there's no deal. We haven't even seen this proposal"

That's cause it doesn't matter, once the union reps reach a deal, they basically make the players vote for it. Otherwise if the players were so against it, they would break the union apart and fire all the union leaders when they reformed.

The chances of that are amazingly unlikely.
 
It's been contentious enough of a negotiation process that I want to agree with you, Destro. But since we've seen sides storm away from the negotiation table just because someone they don't like walks in the door (Donald Fehr), this has been a very challenging lockout that exposes a lot of hurt feelings, unneeded sensitivity, and bruised egos.

So while I think there's a greater than zero chance that it could still not be ratified (i.e., I wouldn't be shocked if Jeremy Jacobs pulled some dirty shit at the last minute), I think that it is indeed a really *close* to zero chance.
 
Anybody think this will actually bite the NHL in the financial ass long term? I tend to think not since people seem so eager to get back into seats after the billionaires and millionaires wasted half the season nickeling and diming each other. I expect another "we have the best fans" backhanded rally speech sometime after the season is officially back in.
 
[quote name='ced']Anybody think this will actually bite the NHL in the financial ass long term? I tend to think not since people seem so eager to get back into seats after the billionaires and millionaires wasted half the season nickeling and diming each other. I expect another "we have the best fans" backhanded rally speech sometime after the season is officially back in.[/QUOTE]

Probably will bite them dollar wise in the short-term. An entire season lost would have been more of a long term effect.
 
Meh... Also, if fans don't boycott they are stupid. Let everyone involved in the NHL feel a whole season without income feels like (these days) and that might make them think twice about being complete fucking idiots...
 
The thing is if fans don't go to the games then all the bars and parking garages/lots are in the same situation they are currently in.
 
Well, these idiots NEED to know they can't just rip out a sport fans love and get away with it... They need to feel as much pain as the fans have... I don't think there is anyone that won't suffer in some way. I can't imagine many of the "people behind the scenes" at all these venues still have a job at this point...
 
I would rather see fans park in the garages/lots and go to a local bar near the arenas on game nights then if people are going to boycott the games. That way the fans are not hurting the people that run the parking garages/lots and the bar owners and the employees of the garages/lots and bars.
 
Great article here.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/time-gary-bettman-step-down-203500708--nhl.html

I doubt half of these things will actually happen, but they would definitely be steps in the right direction. I'm not going to be one to "boycott the NHL". I agree 100% that both sides should have been thinking of the people who put them in the position to be so rich and successful, and never let it get this far. But I also don't take the lockout personally. It was about business, and my interactions with the league will be based on the same things (which is how I generally try to conduct myself anyway). And if the league showed true remorse by doing some/all of the things mentioned in the article above, I'll be much more generous with my time/money as well.

But I'm not going to go see a Preds game because they "need me" there. I'm going to do it if it's convenient, somewhat economical, and enjoyable. I'm not going to ignore my family for the team. I'm not going to put myself into debt to get center ice season tickets. But I wouldn't do those things anyway. I don't boycott a movie just because it was delayed. So, I'm not going to pretend to be angry enough to keep myself from enjoying a sport that I love. Do I wish the lockout hadn't happened? Of course. But am I glad it's over and hockey is coming back? You bet your ass I am! :)
 
Capitals win the Stanley Cup.

It's Over. You know it.

Ovie and Backstrom will win the cup so the Caps owner won't want to renegotiate their contracts. With Holtbeast in net, you can't stop us!
 
As an Avs fan living in Buffalo, I don't have many opportunities to see my team regardless. But I plan on going to a game or two (nosebleed section) to enjoy some hockey. I'll also be stopping by some local establishments and support them as well.
 
I hope Luongo gets traded to Florida. The pressure on him there will be much less than in Vancouver or Toronto. Detroit could sign Corey Perry, too, please.

Jan. 19 can't come soon enough.
 
This season should be make or break for Bryz. The buyout clause is built specifically for guys like him; he'll get a shot this season, but if he's getting $7 million for .885 goaltending, he's gone. Can't do it now, there's no legitimate backup goalie in Philly.
 
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[quote name='mykevermin']This season should be make or break for Bryz. The buyout clause is built specifically for guys like him; he'll get a shot this season, but if he's getting $7 million for .885 goaltending, he's gone. Can't do it now, there's no legitimate backup goalie in Philly.[/QUOTE]

Can't do it now because compliance buyouts aren't until AFTER this season

[quote name='KingBroly']Capitals win the Stanley Cup.

It's Over. You know it.

Ovie and Backstrom will win the cup so the Caps owner won't want to renegotiate their contracts. With Holtbeast in net, you can't stop us![/QUOTE]

Backstrom got a concussion Dec 26 and is going to see a specialist because he's still dizzy
 
[quote name='ElwoodCuse']Can't do it now because compliance buyouts aren't until AFTER this season



Backstrom got a concussion Dec 26 and is going to see a specialist because he's still dizzy[/QUOTE]

All according to plan.
 
Teams with the most players who played during the lockout will have a big advantage, could jump to an early lead in the standings in the short season. I know the Bruins had the most guys in Europe (12) but I haven't seen a breakdown of Europe+AHL+anywhere else.

Beyond rust and getting back into game shape, there's going to be a ton of groin injuries among those players. Depth at the AHL level will probably come into play for a lot of teams as a result.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Teams with the most players who played during the lockout will have a big advantage, could jump to an early lead in the standings in the short season. I know the Bruins had the most guys in Europe (12) but I haven't seen a breakdown of Europe+AHL+anywhere else.

Beyond rust and getting back into game shape, there's going to be a ton of groin injuries among those players. Depth at the AHL level will probably come into play for a lot of teams as a result.[/QUOTE]

Playing in AHL:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=75725

Europe:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl-lockout/nhl_players_in_europe/
 
[quote name='sendme']Have they announced the new schedule yet? I have been told they have, but I can't find it.[/QUOTE]

Nothing official yet. I know that Pens and Flyers are opening how ever so far.

I'll be there opening night as well for Tampa.

Edit: Looks like Tampa are opening against the Capitals! Nice.
 
NHL lockout is "officially" over...48 game schedule has been released.

Hockey is back. The coolest game on earth.

Hope the OP updates the cancelled games status..
 
A thread title change AND perhaps wiki the thread so the first post can be edited with team schedules and other important information? Or maybe start a new thread and forget all of this lockout nonsense?
 
Has anyone heard anything about the TV situation? Right now it only seems like they have a few Blues games scheduled and you can't even buy tickets yet...
 
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