Nintendo 3DS $249.99 - 3/27/2011 - Pre-order at Amazon, Best Buy, GameStop, etc

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Launch Date March 27, 2011

Price $249.99 MSRP*




Included in Hardware The following is included in the hardware set:
  1. Nintendo 3DS system
  2. Nintendo 3DS charging cradle
  3. Nintendo 3DS AC adapter
  4. Nintendo 3DS stylus
  5. SD Memory Card (2GB)
  6. AR Card(s) (view the cards using the outer cameras to play supported AR games)
  7. Quick-Start Guide
  8. Operations Manual (including warranty)


Characteristic Features
  1. 3D screen, enabling 3D view without the need for special glasses and the ability to adjust or turn off 3D effect with the 3D Depth Slider.
  2. Stereo cameras that enable users to take 3D photos that can be viewed instantly on the 3D screen.
  3. New input interfaces including the Circle Pad, motion sensor, gyro sensor
  4. SpotPass, a feature that lets Nintendo 3DS detect wireless hotspots or wireless LAN access points and obtain information, game data, free software, videos and so on for players even when the system is in sleep mode.**
  5. StreetPass, a feature that lets Nintendo 3DS exchange data automatically with other Nintendo 3DS systems within range, even in sleep mode once this feature is activated by the user. Data for multiple games can be exchanged simultaneously.
  6. Convenient features that users can access without stopping game play such as the HOME menu, Internet Brower, Notifications, etc.
  7. Plenty of built-in software such as the Nintendo 3DS Camera, Nintendo 3DS Sound, Mii Maker, StreetPass, Mii Plaza, AR Games, Activity Log, Face Raiders, etc.
  8. Nintendo eShop where users can view trailers, software rankings and purchase software.
  9. System Transfer which enable users to transfer already purchased software from one Nintendo 3DS system to another. DSiWare purchased for the Nintendo DSi or the Nintendo DSi XL can also be transferred into a Nintendo 3DS system.***
  10. Compatibility functions where both new software designed for Nintendo 3DS and most software for the Nintendo DS family of systems can be played.
  11. Parental Controls which enable parents to restrict game content by ratings as well as use of specific wireless connectivity, 3D functionality, etc.****


Size (when closed) 2.9 inches high, 5.3 inches long, 0.8 inches deep.

Weight Approximately 8 ounces (including battery pack, stylus, SD memory card).

Upper Screen Wide-screen LCD display, enabling 3D view without the need for special glasses. Capable of displaying approximately 16.77 million colors. 3.53 inches display (3.02 inches wide, 1.81 inches high) with 800 x 240 pixel resolution. 400 pixels are allocated to each eye to enable 3D viewing.

Lower Screen LCD with a touch screen capable of displaying 16.77 million colors. 3.02 inches (2.42 inches wide, 1.81 inches high) with 320 x 240 pixel resolution.

Cameras One inner camera and two outer cameras. Resolutions are 640 x 480 for each camera. Lens are single focus and uses the CMOS capture element. The active pixel count is approximately 300,000 pixels.

Wireless Communication 2.4 GHz. Enabling local wireless communication among multiple Nintendo 3DS systems for game play and StreetPass. Enabling access to the Internet through wireless LAN access points (supports IEEE802.11 b/g with the WPA™/WPA2™ security feature). Recommended distance of wireless communication is within 98.4 feet. This can be shorter depending on the enviromental situation. WPA and WPA2 are marks of the Wi-Fi Alliance.

Input Controls Input controls are the following:
  1. A/B/X/Y Button, +Control Pad, L/R Button, START/SELECT
  2. Circle Pad (enabling 360-degree analog input)
  3. Touch screen
  4. Embedded microphone
  5. Camera
  6. Motion sensor
  7. Gyro sensor


Other Input Controls Other input controls are the following:
  1. 3D Depth Slider (enabling smooth adjustment of the 3D level effect)
  2. HOME (HOME button brings up the HOME menu)
  3. Wireless switch (can disable wireless functionality even during game play)
  4. POWER button


Connector Connector includes:
  1. Game Card slot
  2. SD Card slot
  3. Cradle connector
  4. AC adapter connector
  5. Audio jack (stereo output)


Sound Stereo speakers positioned to the left and right of the top screen (supports virtual surround sound).

Stylus Telescoping stylus (approximately 3.94 inches when fully extended).

Electric Power AC adaptor (WAP-002 [USA]). Nintendo 3DS Battery Pack (lithium ion battery) [CTR-003].

Charge Time About 3.5 hours

Battery Duration When playing Nintendo 3DS software about 3-5 hours. When playing Nintendo DS software about 5-8 hours. Battery duration differs depending on the brightness setting of the screen. The information regarding battery duration is a rough standard. It can be shorter depending on what functions of the Nintendo 3DS system are used.

Game Card Nintendo 3DS Game Card. The size is approximately the same as Nintendo DS Game Card.
 
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[quote name='renique46']no shit sherlock i would hope a device being released in 2011 would be way better than something that released over 6 fucking years ago[/QUOTE]

I was responding to the guy who said the graphics were barely better than psp. Moron.:roll:
 
Preordered from Amazon because I have $50 in credit, not sure if I'm gonna keep that or not though, so we'll see, glad I have it though just in case.
 
[quote name='Salamando3000']Pretty sure this thread would die fast if it were limited to just discussion of where to pre-order and for how much, given that everything is likely to be MSRP with maybe a free trinket of little to no value thrown in. Rest would be people asking "will they be able to ship all pre-orders they take at launch?" and everyone else going "*shrug*".[/QUOTE]

Probably but that'd be preferable to the haters who have to ruin everything trolling deal threads. Post a thread about Kinect deal? Always gotta be a bunch of haters jumping in about how Kinect blows and is a "gimmick". Post about a wii deal? Haters jumping in about how wii sucks and is full of shovelware. You know what I mean? They're not there to really discuss the deal or anything. Or even to rationally discuss the item/game/system in question. They just like to throw a bunch of hate on everything (especially any new tech or any "casual" tech) cause they themselves suck ass. I wish they'd just go away.


[quote name='V878']I'm curious if Amazon has an idea of how many systems they're getting and will cut off their preorders once they reach that number. I'm pretty surprised this is still up to be honest. Makes me wonder if they're just taking as many as they want and will then send out emails later on whether you pre-ordered early enough to get a launch unit (and rest just have to wait till the next available shipment date).[/QUOTE]

When they were taking preoders for SMAS, they actually oversold their preorders and had to warn people that they might not get theirs in time. Of course, I think they did eventually find enough inventory to satisfy all their preorders.

I'm sure they also know that with the 3DS, a lot of people are preordering "just in case" and will cancel before launch. I trust Amazon to run the numbers correctly so nobody is going to be screwed if they preordered and want one. (I wouldn't trust Gamestop though.)
 
[quote name='confoosious']Probably but that'd be preferable to the haters who have to ruin everything trolling deal threads. Post a thread about Kinect deal? Always gotta be a bunch of haters jumping in about how Kinect blows and is a "gimmick". Post about a wii deal? Haters jumping in about how wii sucks and is full of shovelware. You know what I mean? They're not there to really discuss the deal or anything. Or even to rationally discuss the item/game/system in question. They just like to throw a bunch of hate on everything (especially any new tech or any "casual" tech) cause they themselves suck ass. I wish they'd just go away.
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Rofl. I try to ignore it because I know a gaming site is not going to completely comprised of critical thinking adults. CAG at least is more mild than IGN/Gamespot video comments on Youtube, and I think that is in part because everyone here has the shared objective in getting deals.

Sometimes it's so hard to ignore though. Always reminds me of this:

http://kotaku.com/358523/someone-is-wrong-on-the-internet
 
[quote name='the_legend_of_drtre']I was responding to the guy who said the graphics were barely better than psp. Moron.:roll:[/QUOTE]

Once again captain obvious is obvious i would hope a system debuting in the year 2011 would be better than a system 6+ years ago whether or not its slighty better or massively better doesnt make a damn difference since oh idk its still fucking better period.
 
anyone know if we can call gamestop to specify we want the black color?

i preordered mine before the colors were officially announced. I would go in person, but im away at school right now
 
[quote name='confoosious']When they were taking preoders for SMAS, they actually oversold their preorders and had to warn people that they might not get theirs in time. Of course, I think they did eventually find enough inventory to satisfy all their preorders.

I'm sure they also know that with the 3DS, a lot of people are preordering "just in case" and will cancel before launch. I trust Amazon to run the numbers correctly so nobody is going to be screwed if they preordered and want one. (I wouldn't trust Gamestop though.)[/QUOTE]

Yep, that might be me. Still very much on the fence, but based on the replies it's good to know that if I do keep my preorder, I will hopefully get it in launch week.
 
[quote name='renique46']Once again captain obvious is obvious i would hope a system debuting in the year 2011 would be better than a system 6+ years ago whether or not its slighty better or massively better doesnt make a damn difference since oh idk its still fucking better period.[/QUOTE]

Orignal xbox is more advanced than the wii =p
 
[quote name='helmet']
Fanboys have always ruined the internet.[/QUOTE]

I fixed that for you.

As a person who has been reading message boards, forums, and newsgroups on the internet since the early 90's, I can tell you for a fact that there were plenty of fanboys and trolls back then. A lot of them were restricted to AOL's message boards though, due to the fact that their parents only had that for dialup and they had no idea how to get to other places to spout their insane rhetoric.
 
[quote name='confoosious']Probably but that'd be preferable to the haters who have to ruin everything trolling deal threads. Post a thread about Kinect deal? Always gotta be a bunch of haters jumping in about how Kinect blows and is a "gimmick". Post about a wii deal? Haters jumping in about how wii sucks and is full of shovelware. You know what I mean? They're not there to really discuss the deal or anything. Or even to rationally discuss the item/game/system in question. They just like to throw a bunch of hate on everything (especially any new tech or any "casual" tech) cause they themselves suck ass. I wish they'd just go away.




When they were taking preoders for SMAS, they actually oversold their preorders and had to warn people that they might not get theirs in time. Of course, I think they did eventually find enough inventory to satisfy all their preorders.

I'm sure they also know that with the 3DS, a lot of people are preordering "just in case" and will cancel before launch. I trust Amazon to run the numbers correctly so nobody is going to be screwed if they preordered and want one. (I wouldn't trust Gamestop though.)[/QUOTE]

The worst are the folks who post in the Steam deals saying digital distribution sucks and they want a box to add to their collection.

I have to guess Nintendo knows that Amazon is going to be a big dealer when it comes to the number of hardware sold. Look how many Wiis Amazon must have sold when they would sell out after 5 minutes of being in stock. People buying from Amazon usually have an idea of what they want to buy, its not some random mom going into gamestop asking for the 3DOPSPBoy and a copy of Super Halo Duty Bros.

Its true CAG is usually a bit better about random fanboy illogic but this is new tech/hardware. People are going to sell it short till its the norm. The same thing happend with XBL, Kinect, the Wii, the DS, ipad, $600 PS3. People think each will fail and sure enough all of them seem to be doing fine.
 
Hahahah. I'm not a fan of digital distribution... but that's why I don't visit Steam deal threads. It's just not for me.

And Super Halo Duty Bros sounds pretty awesome.
 
[quote name='chimpmeister']So you're saying, if anyone has anything negative to say about the 3DS, they should just shut up? What kind of lame logic is that? This is a legitimate discussion of whether this new handheld is worth buying at all. People who get upset because of negative postings are obviously blinded to any other possible point of view.[/QUOTE]

The problem isn't discussion regarding whether it's worth buying. It isn't discussion about whether the 3D is worthwhile or not. Honestly, I have concerns about the 3D as well (particularly the reports of it making people sick -- are they legitimate or exaggerated?). By all means, I'd like to see some real discussion on it (whether in this thread or another).

The problem is that you're not really discussing any of that. All you're doing is coming in here and making ridiculous assertions that this is nothing more than a DS Lite with 3D thrown on top of it, a claim which has repeatedly been shown to be false (hell, many pages ago, I gave you a detailed comparison of the specs showing how everything else about it has been significantly upgraded as well -- I notice you had no reply to that). You have nothing more to say about the 3D than that you think it's a "gimmick", which is really not a particularly useful point when you show no interest in discussing it further. And when anyone disagrees with you, you dismiss them as "fanboys". You talk about people needing to learn to accept other views, and yet you are being completely rigid in your own.

You want to have a discussion, then by all means, let's discuss. But that means that you have to be willing to discuss as well, rather than just coming in with negative sniping. Until then, you're just trolling.

[quote name='chimpmeister']That makes it a pretty expensive DSi upgrade, and a waste of money. You need to learn to accept views that don't accept everything Nintendo releases as some incredible innovative new thing, and instead something based on one or another gimmick (two screens, 3D, motion controls).[/QUOTE]

I don't really get what you're expecting out of this. The XBox 360 was an incremental upgrade of the original XBox. Was there anything earth-shatteringly new in it? Nope. It had a faster processor and better graphics. The PS3 was an incremental upgrade of the PS2. It still connected to a TV, the controllers (other than being wireless) were essentially identical, and let's face it -- other than looking better, the games didn't change a whole lot. So why are you expecting that Nintendo's next-generation handheld console has to be somehow massively different to the point of being unrecognizable in order to not be "a waste of money"? The logic here just doesn't make sense to me, and though you keep throwing out that same argument again and again, you're doing nothing to explain it.

The funny thing is that you claim to want innovation, but at the same time, you write off anything that actually is an innovation as a gimmick. Ok, so maybe motion controls didn't turn out to be all that useful for the type of games that you want to play. So what? It's still an innovation, and clearly an important one, given the way that both Microsoft and Sony have scrambled to imitate them. Maybe 3D won't turn out to be that great either, but it is something that no one else has done with a game system yet. So what type of innovation are you looking for that you wouldn't consider a gimmick?
 
[quote name='blackwaltz34']anyone know if we can call gamestop to specify we want the black color?

i preordered mine before the colors were officially announced. I would go in person, but im away at school right now[/QUOTE]

I could be wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure GS defaulted anyone who preordered before the 19th to black and you have to request that it be changed to blue (and that might require canceling your preorder and creating a new one, jeopardizing your chances of getting one at launch if it puts you at the back of the queue.)

If you wanted black anyway, I'm guessing you'll be fine. Don't 100% quote me on this though as it's only what I've read elsewhere.
 
Arcane93 pretty much said it best. The huge amount of Nintendo bashing since Wednesday is baffling to me. I still can't believe how many people are talking like the 3ds is a ripoff at $250. My expectations weren't sky high so I was happy with the price point.

I'm also baffled by so many people calling the 3ds simply an upgrade. I've seen some people in here talking about those of us that will blindly support Nintendo and buy whatever they release without thinking about it. There is also the other end of the spectrum and there are too many people that just talk down anything and everything Nintendo.

Over the years Nintendo has become an easy target to a lot of the people who consider the current console race to be between MS and Sony. Nintendo gets thrown aside by a lot of people because they don't push the graphics envelope. But everyone seems to forget that Nintendo is usually at the forefront when it comes to implementing new technology and new ideas that change the way games are played.

MS and Sony are probably involved in the motion control technology because Nintendo has had so much success with it. Nintendo was the first to implement motion controls as an integral part of a system. Now they are the first to design a system around 3d and they are letting the user use 3d when they want to. Like it or not Nintendo is innovating with the 3ds like they have been innovating for a while.
 
[quote name='arcane93']

I don't really get what you're expecting out of this. The XBox 360 was an incremental upgrade of the original XBox. Was there anything earth-shatteringly new in it? Nope. It had a faster processor and better graphics. The PS3 was an incremental upgrade of the PS2. It still connected to a TV, the controllers (other than being wireless) were essentially identical, and let's face it -- other than looking better, the games didn't change a whole lot. So why are you expecting that Nintendo's next-generation handheld console has to be somehow massively different to the point of being unrecognizable in order to not be "a waste of money"? The logic here just doesn't make sense to me, and though you keep throwing out that same argument again and again, you're doing nothing to explain it.

The funny thing is that you claim to want innovation, but at the same time, you write off anything that actually is an innovation as a gimmick. Ok, so maybe motion controls didn't turn out to be all that useful for the type of games that you want to play. So what? It's still an innovation, and clearly an important one, given the way that both Microsoft and Sony have scrambled to imitate them. Maybe 3D won't turn out to be that great either, but it is something that no one else has done with a game system yet. So what type of innovation are you looking for that you wouldn't consider a gimmick?[/QUOTE]

amen brutha!
 
[quote name='tranceFusion']amen brutha![/QUOTE]
Preach it, sista!

Some of you want something new(which some of you consider a gimmick), while some of you just want a portable home console with no "gimmicks". Choose one or the other. >_>
 
[quote name='blackwaltz34']anyone know if we can call gamestop to specify we want the black color?

i preordered mine before the colors were officially announced. I would go in person, but im away at school right now[/QUOTE]

My gamestop defaulted all colors to black, and I am assuming it's a chainwide thing. I just called them since I am going to pay it off tonight. Hopefully by paying it off they guarantee me one on launch. If they don't I feel like blood will be shed for delaying my pilotwings experience.

My thoughts on the 3DS. I actually like the thoughts of 3D or at least a console with a real d-pad and gyroscope (not the iPod's touchscreen d-oad which is complete ass). I own a PSP but the thing is I don't own a lot of PSP games because I don't feel the need to play PS2 ports. Even if the PSP2 was as powerful as the PS3, I don't want to play games so similar to the PS3. One reason I always liked the gameboy/DS was it was not as powerful as the consoles, but Nintendo found ways to still produce new and innovative games.
 
Don't mean to interrupt the nintendo fan spiritual, but lots are still saying "i don't get it, i don't get it" to anyone that doesn't think the 3DS is a huge improvement. So i'll repost something i did earlier, that I atleast thought made sense. Again, this is my best guess as to why the 3DS is getting a colder reception than you think it deserves.

[quote name='Xenogears']I think part of the reason that people are saying the 3DS is just an incremental update is because even if the graphics are nice, its not alot better than PSP and thats 6 years old now. With that, and comparing it to HD consoles graphics, the "cutting edge" 3DS already seems kind of dated to some. Combine that with nintendo being a generation behind in home console graphics tech, and their releasing of 3 truly incremental updates to their last handheld; and regardless of what nintendo is doing with the 3DS, it may just feel and seem like yet another outdated incremental update.

People are basing their judgement of the 3DS on nintendos behavior and position this last gen. Release tons of incremental updates for handhelds, stay a gen behind in graphics.

The other reason people may be saying this is that they arn't very big into handheld gaming. ANY graphics update is still behind home consoles, and feels incremental because they dont really care about it anyway[/QUOTE]

So far the only thing anyone has had to say about this is the_legend_of_dretre calling me an idiot and someone else a moron for thinking the 3DS doesnt look WAY better than PSP. Yeah it looks better, but side by side MGS pics for example do not look 6 years and a $250 upgrade better to me. Here is an example: http://forums.n4g.com/Metal-Gear-Solid-3DS-vs-PSP-m823038.aspx , Here is a set of 3 more comparisons, the top row of pictures is a comparison to the same games on the PSP: http://www.nintendoeverything.com/42686/

WAY big, 6 years, and a console generation difference in any of these? No, and the set of 3 comparisons come from a nintendo fan site. Its not like they are from a sony site, where they would have an interest in showing comparisons that would favor the PSP.
 
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[quote name='javeryh']Chun Li has awesome boobs![/QUOTE]

Now you can have Chun Li's boobs come right at you in 3D!

Pre-ordered mine awhile ago, can't wait! (Even though I won't buy but maybe 1 DS game to try 3D out)
 
[quote name='tmacairjordan87']Why bother? They're almost exactly the same system, unless you want to play another ps2 version of god of war that badly.

Now if you meant psp2 that's different. I'm interested to see what Sony brings to the table after the disappointing 3DS.[/QUOTE]


Good point, though I like the idea of getting a console late in its cycle, so it has a healthy library. Plus, I want to play the Metal Gear games, strategy-rpgs and my PSOne classics on the go. Hmmmm…maybe I should get a PSP instead then and just hang onto my DSi.
 
[quote name='Xenogears'] Yeah it looks better, but side by side MGS pics for example do not look 6 years and a $250 upgrade better to me. [/QUOTE]


Oh I didn't realize the PSP was free on March 27th. I'll go pick one up. Thanks.

Maybe, just maybe, graphics aren't everything? There's a certain segment who wants more pixels until everything is 9000000x9000000 and more and more and more and more. Doesn't mean it guarantees a good fun game.
 
[quote name='Xenogears']Don't mean to interrupt the nintendo fan spiritual, but lots are still saying "i don't get it, i don't get it" to anyone that doesn't think the 3DS is a huge improvement. So i'll repost something i did earlier, that I atleast thought made sense. Again, this is my best guess as to why the 3DS is getting a colder reception than you think it deserves.[/QUOTE]

I didn't respond to your earlier post because honestly, I don't disagree with it. I think you're right on track for why some people are disappointed or uninterested. Why they feel the need to troll threads for people who are interested is another question, though. When I'm not interested in a thread, I just ignore it.

Nothing about the 3DS should be a surprise. Here's the thing -- the 3DS is a huge improvement over the DS, and that's what matters. Of course you can't compare it to the HD home consoles. It's not meant to be compared to the HD home consoles. Likewise, you really can't compare it to even the PSP (or PSP2). As can be seen in both their home and portable consoles, Nintendo and Sony have taken wildly divergent paths in their system designs. For Sony, the emphasis has been on cutting-edge visuals, whereas for Nintendo, it has been on finding new ways to play (touchscreens, motion controls, and now 3D -- Nintendo has been the first to do all of them in a home gaming system). Neither one is right or wrong (as is evidenced by the fact that both are doing just fine in the market), they're just different approaches. Because of this, though, trying to compare them is futile, and expecting one to act like the other is futile as well.

I'm not a Nintendo fanboy -- I own all of the consoles, and I buy the games that I want to play on whichever console will play them the best. I'll readily admit that I don't use my Wii very often, except for when a specific game (NSMB, DKCR) comes out that I want to play (on the other hand, because of those games, I don't regret buying it in the least). Most of my console gaming happens on the PS3 and the 360. On the portable side, though... my DS gets a lot more use than my PSP. It almost doesn't make sense to me either -- the PSP graphics are better and the games are often more advanced. However, when it comes down to it, it's not graphics that matter to me (I mean, geez, I started with an Atari 2600 -- everything since has been brilliant), it's the overall game play experience. I find the DS to be more comfortable to hold. I find the touch screen to be a great interface when it's used well (and honestly, I like the stylus more than I like having to use my finger on my iPhone). I like having two screens -- it's particularly great for RPGs, the genre that I play the most, where I can see what I'm doing in one, and see my map/stats/etc. in the other. And really -- for the most part, I just like the DS games better; at least partially because of the limitations of the system, they tend to have their own character, they don't try to be mini versions of home console games. All in all, as portable systems go, the strengths of the DS far outweigh its weaknesses for me.

Would I like to see HD graphics, etc. on my DS? Sure. Well, maybe. Honestly, for the types of games that I'm playing on my DS, the graphics are just fine, and the system is plenty powerful. I don't necessarily want to play home console games on my portable system -- if I did, I'd probably use my PSP more. Honestly, I fear that adding those things to the system would result in losing that differentiation that makes DS games different. Regardless, for whatever reasons they may have, Nintendo isn't giving us HD graphics, so it's kind of a moot point. You should know by now that if you're buying a system for the graphics, Nintendo probably shouldn't be your first choice.

So, what it really comes down to . . . this is it. This is the next DS. Love it or hate it, it's what we get. If you're into DS gaming, then the advances made with this one should be more than enough to excite you. If you're not, then no, it's probably not going to convince you to think otherwise. Buy it if you want it, don't buy it if you don't.
 
Haven't been too informed on the 3DS...is it going to be backward compatible with DS games or is this strictly 3DS games?

EDIT: NVM just found my answer. Yes.
 
[quote name='arcane93']
Would I like to see HD graphics, etc. on my DS? Sure. Well, maybe. Honestly, for the types of games that I'm playing on my DS, the graphics are just fine, and the system is plenty powerful. I don't necessarily want to play home console games on my portable system -- if I did, I'd probably use my PSP more. [/QUOTE]

That's exactly the advice I got when I was asking whether to buy a PSP or DS. I opted for the unique game experience over graphical and processing ability.

I just don't understand the trolling. When the new PSP comes out, I won't go into the PSP2 thread crying about how it doesn't have 3 screens and 2 styluses so it's not innovative enough for me. If it interests me, great. If now, then I'll let everyone have their fun. But why the hell would I just throw a fit about it like it's an affront to society.

What motivates the trolls? (Eh i guess this is a dumb question.)
 
[quote name='confoosious']What motivates the trolls? (Eh i guess this is a dumb question.)[/QUOTE]

If there were nothing to complain about this forum would be very quiet and boring!!!

Personally, I'm going to buy both so I could really care less what is not great about either system. Here's a good example, if you don't believe in Santa and know he's not real, don't ruin it for everybody else.
 
Pre-ordered the blue version today, never got a system on first day release so I am getting pumped. Just hope the first run models don't have a defect.
 
[quote name='discordman']Pre-ordered the blue version today, never got a system on first day release so I am getting pumped. Just hope the first run models don't have a defect.[/QUOTE]

If you order from Amazon I don't think it would be much of a problem. I had a problem with GameStop when I pre-ordered my launch psp, it had 4 dead pixels with in 1/4 square and they didn't want to do anything about it and told me I should have gotten the extended warranty.
 
[quote name='discordman'] Just hope the first run models don't have a defect.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure they could fix it in time but i believe the japanese release is a month before ours so at least we'll get some real world results from them.
 
[quote name='confoosious']I'm not sure they could fix it in time but i believe the japanese release is a month before ours so at least we'll get some real world results from them.[/QUOTE]

Now that I think about it (*knocks on wood), I've never had a problem with a launch Nintendo system failing. The 360 was a nightmare, it did last me 3 or so years but I'm glad they have turned the system around. I went from seeing empty coffins and systems on a daily basis to seeing them maybe once a week. My launch ps3 failed on me this past November grrr.... but not being a fanboy just saying from recent experience. Every recent launch system dating back to the GBA has worked flawlessly for me and still does.
 
Yeah, main thing I'm worried about is dead pixels myself. That's the one con I can think of for buying from Amazon. If it does, gotta ship it back and wait for a new one. And then THAT 1 might even have dead pixels. I remember when I bought my DSLite way back when, I believe I exchanged it out at least twice because of dead pixels. Luckily it was Walmart so it was easy. Call me a nitpicker, but even ONE dead pixel is too much for me.
 
[quote name='bg88']Arcane93 pretty much said it best. The huge amount of Nintendo bashing since Wednesday is baffling to me. I still can't believe how many people are talking like the 3ds is a ripoff at $250. My expectations weren't sky high so I was happy with the price point.

I'm also baffled by so many people calling the 3ds simply an upgrade. I've seen some people in here talking about those of us that will blindly support Nintendo and buy whatever they release without thinking about it. There is also the other end of the spectrum and there are too many people that just talk down anything and everything Nintendo.

Over the years Nintendo has become an easy target to a lot of the people who consider the current console race to be between MS and Sony. Nintendo gets thrown aside by a lot of people because they don't push the graphics envelope. But everyone seems to forget that Nintendo is usually at the forefront when it comes to implementing new technology and new ideas that change the way games are played.

MS and Sony are probably involved in the motion control technology because Nintendo has had so much success with it. Nintendo was the first to implement motion controls as an integral part of a system. Now they are the first to design a system around 3d and they are letting the user use 3d when they want to. Like it or not Nintendo is innovating with the 3ds like they have been innovating for a while.[/QUOTE]

Nintendo's consoles don't break either. (M$)
 
[quote name='gojiboy']Yeah, main thing I'm worried about is dead pixels myself. That's the one con I can think of for buying from Amazon. If it does, gotta ship it back and wait for a new one. And then THAT 1 might even have dead pixels. I remember when I bought my DSLite way back when, I believe I exchanged it out at least twice because of dead pixels. Luckily it was Walmart so it was easy. Call me a nitpicker, but even ONE dead pixel is too much for me.[/QUOTE]

Nitpicker? I call that being a smart consumer...plain and simple.

I'm the same way and when I first bought my DSLite it came with 1 dead pixel. Back it went to Best Buy and exchanged it for the one I still have. Even one dead pixel is an eye sore. Some may accept this and say it doesn't bother them...I'm not one of those people.

I'm really tempted to get this, especially after watching Pilot Wings, MGS, and SSFIV. But my backlog is obnoxiously large enough already and I have other things that will take up all my time until the end of the year.

I really shouldn't...
 
[quote name='confoosious']Oh I didn't realize the PSP was free on March 27th. I'll go pick one up. Thanks.

Maybe, just maybe, graphics aren't everything? There's a certain segment who wants more pixels until everything is 9000000x9000000 and more and more and more and more. Doesn't mean it guarantees a good fun game.[/QUOTE]

The PSP released on the 24th, not the 27th. No, the PSP was not free 6 years ago. It was $250 for the "value pack" that came with around $50 of extras. No, graphics are not everything. I never said anything like that. I said the reason some may view the 3DS as an incremental update is because they are comparing the graphics to PSP. Which in comparison to that it does look like only a slight update.

What do you expect when you post a deal about a new system preorder? Some people saying: wow, this looks great, im going to get one. Some saying: this doesn't look much better than something i've had for 6 years. I don't want one.

Its not trolling if someone just expresses that. Now, calling people idiots and morons, screaming TROLL TROLL get out, pointless posts that just praise one another, mocking those with divergent views; not sure what to call that, but it is annoying. In the end, if you like what you've seen of the 3DS, fine, go ahead and post. If not, fine, you still have a right to post that too. But yeah, for whatever reason, lots of stupid stuff has been said in this thread
 
[quote name='Xenogears']The PSP released on the 24th, not the 27th. No, the PSP was not free 6 years ago. It was $250 for the "value pack" that came with around $50 of extras. No, graphics are not everything. I never said anything like that. I said the reason some may view the 3DS as an incremental update is because they are comparing the graphics to PSP. Which in comparison to that it does look like only a slight update.[/QUOTE]

I think confoosious was referring to the fact that the PSP is not free now or going to be free when the 3DS comes out, which means your statement that "a 3DS isn't reflective of 6 years and a $250 upgrade" should be [PSP-3000 MSRP: $170] "6 years and a $80 upgrade" or something like that.


That, or I'm understanding both of you incorrectly.
 
[quote name='Dranakin']I think confoosious was referring to the fact that the PSP is not free now or going to be free when the 3DS comes out, which means your statement that "a 3DS isn't reflective of 6 years and a $250 upgrade" should be [PSP-3000 MSRP: $170] "6 years and a $80 upgrade" or something like that.


That, or I'm understanding both of you incorrectly.[/QUOTE]

you got it.
 
The PSP released on the 24th, not the 27th. No, the PSP was not free 6 years ago. It was $250 for the "value pack" that came with around $50 of extras?

It came with a memory stick pro...

The 3ds comes with an sd card, AR games, face fighter installed game, and a charging dock. Kinda sounds like a " value pack".
 
[quote name='pizzaflavoredpudding']Even though it most likely won't happen, I hope there will be some kind of Special Edition Megaman Legends 3 3DS. Definitely getting a 3DS when MML3 comes out though.[/QUOTE]
same here,MM games eventually stop getting produced in america and the price doubles most def getting MML3 even if I'm not getting a 3DS unless its a MM themed
 
[quote name='bg88']But everyone seems to forget that Nintendo is usually at the forefront when it comes to implementing new technology and new ideas that change the way games are played.[/QUOTE]
I'd say that you're giving Nintendo far too much credit in this regard. Their last two "innovations" were "scribble to do this" and "waggle to do that." What are the great titles that showcase these features? There's just not a lot of software to keep more hardcore gamers satisfied and that's why Nintendo gets bashed so quickly, not just because of the lack of technological achievement. What innovations does the 3DS have to tout and what are the games really showcasing them? I'm getting a 3DS but for a game that doesn't need the 3D and after trying it out for a while I'll likely turn the effect off and play in 2D. I don't see any of the launch titles making any sort of great use of the 3D, it just seems like a neat gimmick. "Scribble to do this, waggle to do that" and now presenting "pop out at you!"
 
If gesture gaming wasn't innovative, why did Sony and Xbox copy it? For shits and giggles? (Obviously, someone out there must think it's pretty cool.)

I understand if you don't like it and your world consists of FPSs. But give Nintendo their due.

Actually, it doesn't matter if you give nintendo their due. Their bank account speaks for itself.
 
Lol way to generalize to think that someone's world consist of fps cause they have something to say regarding Nintendo oh no the horror!


The reason why Sony and Microsoft x copied Nintendo is solely based on the amount of free cash they saw Nintendo rake in (ie suckered) out of everyone and they decided to have a piece of that pie after all Nintendos bank account speaks for itself right. If anyone saw the amount of cash a certain individual was making and they seem to be getting it effortlessly i"m pretty sure they would do it themselves regardless of it being "innovative" or not. Ironically despite them copying Nintendo they're actually in a better position to make that genre of gaming more innovative than the company that introduced first (which I'm sure they weren't to begin with but that's a diff story).
 
so if tons of people buy tech that YOU think is a gimmick, then those people are obviously suckers because obviously that tech is not innovative because you said so.

ummm ok.

You know, that automobile thingamajig isn't innovative at all. It's just a horse drawn buggy with more horses. What? Everyone is buying it? Suckers.
 
[quote name='confoosious']If gesture gaming wasn't innovative, why did Sony and Xbox copy it? For shits and giggles? (Obviously, someone out there must think it's pretty cool.)[/QUOTE]
Because they want to grab that larger audience that doesn't really play video games. These are businesses after all and their goal at the end of the day is to make money. Trying to grab a larger audience would certainly contribute to that end goal.

[quote name='confoosious']I understand if you don't like it and your world consists of FPSs. But give Nintendo their due.[/QUOTE]
Wow, you can't point to any examples of innovative games so you attempt to take a guess and attack at my taste in games. I don't like it because there isn't any compelling software showcasing these so-called "innovations." I have a Wii. I bought it on launch day and waggling to make Link swipe his sword and waggling to make Mario spin are hardly innovative. For your information, the first FPS I've played since Goldeneye 007 on the N64 was MW2. MW2 isn't anything innovative but playing online with people is much more enjoyable for any multiplayer game rather than waggling to make my character make a motion.

[quote name='confoosious']Actually, it doesn't matter if you give nintendo their due. Their bank account speaks for itself.[/QUOTE]
Again, you avoid any actual discussion and merely attempt to ridicule me. I never said the Wii wasn't successful financially, it's well known that it is. Nintendo succeeded in making people that don't know how to play video games feel like they are by making basic gestures, great. At the end of the day the Wii doesn't have any compelling software that really showcases the features of the Wii as future-thinking or innovative that I'd like to play.

How's this for a personal attack? Go back to junior high and learn some basic grammar and spelling.
 
confoosious
Hates Stupid People

Now THATS irony. Lol!

Come on guys. You should know by now. if you dislike anything he likes (especially nintendo stuff) he's gonna turn into a thread cop & spam why everyone that isn't on his side is dumb & he's always right.

on topic: preordered 2
 
[quote name='grap3fruitman']Because they want to grab that larger audience that doesn't really play video games. These are businesses after all and their goal at the end of the day is to make money. Trying to grab a larger audience would certainly contribute to that end goal.


Wow, you can't point to any examples of innovative games so you attempt to take a guess and attack at my taste in games. I don't like it because there isn't any compelling software showcasing these so-called "innovations." I have a Wii. I bought it on launch day and waggling to make Link swipe his sword and waggling to make Mario spin are hardly innovative. For your information, the first FPS I've played since Goldeneye 007 on the N64 was MW2. MW2 isn't anything innovative but playing online with people is much more enjoyable for any multiplayer game rather than waggling to make my character make a motion.


Again, you avoid any actual discussion and merely attempt to ridicule me. I never said the Wii wasn't successful financially, it's well known that it is. Nintendo succeeded in making people that don't know how to play video games feel like they are by making basic gestures, great. At the end of the day the Wii doesn't have any compelling software that really showcases the features of the Wii as future-thinking or innovative that I'd like to play.

How's this for a personal attack? Go back to junior high and learn some basic grammar and spelling.[/QUOTE]

Dont bother man i already said what you said anyway and obviously it fell on deaf ears instead i have words put into my mouth where i said the wii is a gimmick when i never saw that word in my post at all just because i think that casual crowd got suckered ( i mean are they really busting out their wiis 2-3 years to play after they bought it ) that whole innovative term should be used very very loosely
 
[quote name='Xenogears']What do you expect when you post a deal about a new system preorder? Some people saying: wow, this looks great, im going to get one. Some saying: this doesn't look much better than something i've had for 6 years. I don't want one.

Its not trolling if someone just expresses that. Now, calling people idiots and morons, screaming TROLL TROLL get out, pointless posts that just praise one another, mocking those with divergent views; not sure what to call that, but it is annoying. In the end, if you like what you've seen of the 3DS, fine, go ahead and post. If not, fine, you still have a right to post that too. But yeah, for whatever reason, lots of stupid stuff has been said in this thread[/QUOTE]

You may have missed a lot of the trolling on this thread because a mod went through and cleaned a bunch of it up at one point. You would think that the trolls would take a hint when all of their posts get deleted, but at least one of them has kept coming back spouting the same crap. I agree with you that the name calling and such doesn't belong -- however, I'm betting that it's coming from frustration over the fact that it keeps coming again and again.

Here's basically how things have gone:

1. Troll appears and says something about how the 3DS is "the same" as the original DS, that the 3D is a "gimmick", etc. These statements are short, are generally presented as fact rather than as personal opinion, and are not given any room for discussion. This is often accompanied by additional statements to the effect that anyone who plans to buy a 3DS is clearly a sucker.

2. People respond back with points to the contrary -- specs for the system, discussion about the 3D, etc.

3. Troll ignores the points made and declares anyone who has voiced disagreement with him to be a "fanboy" and calls them closed-minded for not considering his point of view.

I'm not saying that everyone on the "pro" 3DS side has been civil and willing to discuss the issues, but enough have that when the troll completely ignores their responses, it becomes clear that he's not here to have a "discussion". At that point, it's trolling, plain and simple.

[quote name='grap3fruitman']I'd say that you're giving Nintendo far too much credit in this regard. Their last two "innovations" were "scribble to do this" and "waggle to do that." What are the great titles that showcase these features? There's just not a lot of software to keep more hardcore gamers satisfied[/QUOTE]

I've got a whole shelf of DS games and a whole shelf of Wii games that disagree with you. Sure, there's a lot more crapware on those systems than on others -- that's a symptom of them being marketed for more general audiences. But if you can't find games worth playing on them, you're not looking hard enough.

Edit:
[quote name='grap3fruitman']Wow, you can't point to any examples of innovative games[/QUOTE]

Ok, I'll bite. This is just off the top of my head, mind you, so the list is just a few examples -- far from complete and may not even have the best titles on it.

On the Wii:
Red Steel 2
No More Heroes/No More Heroes 2
Okami (ok, so this is an old game, but you've gotta admit, the Wii controls made it better)
Mario Kart (again, old game, but the Wii definitely brings something new to it)
Wii Sports/Sports Resort (duh)

On the DS:
Scribblenauts
Drawn to Life
Trauma Center
Dragonquest IX
the Zelda games (ok, so the wii version might have been gimmicky, but the DS games make good use of the touchscreen)

Like I said, that's a few examples without me putting the effort into actually going and looking for anything. There's plenty more.
 
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