Nintendo new low quality game boxes.
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Eco Cases blow nuggets! My SMG2 came in a normal case... I'd rather Nintendo got rid of the multi-language crap! My case for SSFIV (Xbox 360) however is a CRAP Eco Case and it's hard to close properly sometimes, it's like it isn't strong enough to keep it's form... gah!
[quote name='KingBroly']My Galaxy 2 came today and it was in an eco-case. It also looked like someone opened it before-hand, and the top was pried open. WTF Amazon?[/QUOTE]
What do your mean by 'top was pried open'?
Is it the recessed area when you normally open the case? Was it cracked or something?
What do your mean by 'top was pried open'?
Is it the recessed area when you normally open the case? Was it cracked or something?
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Weird thing is that my Mario Kart Wii came with a yin yang style spindled case instead of the regular case.
What do you people do to your games that you are ripping through both the thin clear plastic and the paper insert to get to the game?
Open case
Take out game disc
Place case back on shelf
As such I have no issues with these cases. The environment is a little more important than a silly game. If you treat your games right, nothing will happen. I'd be more impressed though if Nintendo did away with the 100pp manuals printed in 15 different languages and 10 separate inserts about health hazards and warnings. Talk about a mixed message. lol
Open case
Take out game disc
Place case back on shelf
As such I have no issues with these cases. The environment is a little more important than a silly game. If you treat your games right, nothing will happen. I'd be more impressed though if Nintendo did away with the 100pp manuals printed in 15 different languages and 10 separate inserts about health hazards and warnings. Talk about a mixed message. lol
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[quote name='Corvin']What do you people do to your games that you are ripping through both the thin clear plastic and the paper insert to get to the game?
Open case
Take out game disc
Place case back on shelf
As such I have no issues with these cases. The environment is a little more important than a silly game. If you treat your games right, nothing will happen. I'd be more impressed though if Nintendo did away with the 100pp manuals printed in 15 different languages and 10 separate inserts about health hazards and warnings. Talk about a mixed message. lol[/QUOTE]
I have several eco cases on movies. More than half of those movies were damaged in shipping, where a pointed object (say the corner of another box) has hit the insert where the holes in the case are and resulted in a tear or puncture through the art. It's not always user error.
Open case
Take out game disc
Place case back on shelf
As such I have no issues with these cases. The environment is a little more important than a silly game. If you treat your games right, nothing will happen. I'd be more impressed though if Nintendo did away with the 100pp manuals printed in 15 different languages and 10 separate inserts about health hazards and warnings. Talk about a mixed message. lol[/QUOTE]
I have several eco cases on movies. More than half of those movies were damaged in shipping, where a pointed object (say the corner of another box) has hit the insert where the holes in the case are and resulted in a tear or puncture through the art. It's not always user error.
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Like it or not, but these new cases are the new standard for all new releases. I sent a nasty e-mail about the cases to Nintendo and I got this response:
If you don't like it, I suggest e-mailing Nintendo's Customer Service and tell them how you feel. I did and pretty much told them that if they don't reverse course that I would never buy a Wii game at MSRP again. ...Not that it's much of a threat since I don't do that now, but it does make it even less likely that I will ever pay over $10 for a Wii game with relatively few exceptions. (Mario, Metroid, Zelda, NISA)
...I guess on the plus side, these eco-boxes suck less than the
eco-boxes.
If you don't like it, I suggest e-mailing Nintendo's Customer Service and tell them how you feel. I did and pretty much told them that if they don't reverse course that I would never buy a Wii game at MSRP again. ...Not that it's much of a threat since I don't do that now, but it does make it even less likely that I will ever pay over $10 for a Wii game with relatively few exceptions. (Mario, Metroid, Zelda, NISA)
...I guess on the plus side, these eco-boxes suck less than the
eco-boxes.
[quote name='thegreek']Shouldn't they lower the price of the game since they saved on plastic costs?[/QUOTE]
Exactly!! This is a cost cutting measure im sure the "green friendly" sounds nice. I payed 50.00. Thats alot of money give me a case worth a grain of salt. If its a half a cent then give me the original case back!!
Exactly!! This is a cost cutting measure im sure the "green friendly" sounds nice. I payed 50.00. Thats alot of money give me a case worth a grain of salt. If its a half a cent then give me the original case back!!
Half a cent per case for them is thousands of dollars. Half a cent per case for you is half a cent. Or like 50 cents for every game you buy. And in any case they don't charge you anything for the most part, they sell to retailers. So they'd charge the retailer a half a cent less and the retailer would price the game exactly the same as they would anyway.
If enough people bitch or if enough games get damaged so that it costs them money then they'll change it, otherwise why would they care? It's saving them money and they can spin it as them caring about the environment. And incidentally using less plastic probably does help the environment a little.
If enough people bitch or if enough games get damaged so that it costs them money then they'll change it, otherwise why would they care? It's saving them money and they can spin it as them caring about the environment. And incidentally using less plastic probably does help the environment a little.
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[quote name='Corvin']So out of a case of, what 50 games few are vulnerable to puncture, in the rare case that actually happens.
Also if a game arrives damaged, most places have no issues replacing them. Hassle, maybe, but it's not like you are simply
ed.[/QUOTE]
Really? Perhaps I ought to reiterate. Over half of the movies I have received in eco cases have come damaged. That's not exactly a 'rare' case. Also, it is a huge hassle to return a movie or game, especially if purchased online.
It may not be a huge issue for you and you can live with it. For others (myself included), I'd rather have a sturdier case that can withstand a bump or two.
Also if a game arrives damaged, most places have no issues replacing them. Hassle, maybe, but it's not like you are simply
ed.[/QUOTE]Really? Perhaps I ought to reiterate. Over half of the movies I have received in eco cases have come damaged. That's not exactly a 'rare' case. Also, it is a huge hassle to return a movie or game, especially if purchased online.
It may not be a huge issue for you and you can live with it. For others (myself included), I'd rather have a sturdier case that can withstand a bump or two.
[quote name='Corvin']So out of a case of, what 50 games few are vulnerable to puncture, in the rare case that actually happens.
Also if a game arrives damaged, most places have no issues replacing them. Hassle, maybe, but it's not like you are simplyed.[/QUOTE]
The problem isn't just that these cases suck and can damage your game/movie. The problem is that there are much, much better solutions out there that do everything these cases do - better and then some - all while not risking damage to the game I just spent $50 on.
Also if a game arrives damaged, most places have no issues replacing them. Hassle, maybe, but it's not like you are simply
ed.[/QUOTE]The problem isn't just that these cases suck and can damage your game/movie. The problem is that there are much, much better solutions out there that do everything these cases do - better and then some - all while not risking damage to the game I just spent $50 on.
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[quote name='SpazX']
If enough people bitch or if enough games get damaged so that it costs them money then they'll change it, otherwise why would they care? It's saving them money and they can spin it as them caring about the environment. And incidentally using less plastic probably does help the environment a little.[/QUOTE]
My solution is to just not buy games anywhere near MSRP. I've been pretty successful at getting most of the Wii games I'm interested in for $5-15 (Metroid Prime Trilogy, Muramasa, A Boy and His Blob, Punch-Out!!, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World) and I really don't see any reason why I should pay any more than that.
...If they really cared about the environment Nintendo wouldn't have put an entire novella into the Super Mario Galaxy 2 box and moved to a Blu-Ray style case.
If enough people bitch or if enough games get damaged so that it costs them money then they'll change it, otherwise why would they care? It's saving them money and they can spin it as them caring about the environment. And incidentally using less plastic probably does help the environment a little.[/QUOTE]
My solution is to just not buy games anywhere near MSRP. I've been pretty successful at getting most of the Wii games I'm interested in for $5-15 (Metroid Prime Trilogy, Muramasa, A Boy and His Blob, Punch-Out!!, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World) and I really don't see any reason why I should pay any more than that.
...If they really cared about the environment Nintendo wouldn't have put an entire novella into the Super Mario Galaxy 2 box and moved to a Blu-Ray style case.
[quote name='thelonepig']Really? Perhaps I ought to reiterate. Over half of the movies I have received in eco cases have come damaged. That's not exactly a 'rare' case. Also, it is a huge hassle to return a movie or game, especially if purchased online.[/QUOTE]
If we are going to go with anecdotal evidence then out of the dozen or so of these cases I have over 360, Wii and DVD, I've had 0 damaged. Maybe you are just unlucky or have trained monkeys working at your post office/UPS store. :lol:
I think the simplest solution that would please everyone would be just do the cutout on the front flap and not the back, therefore still protecting the disc. OCD gamers
are happy and Nintendo still gets to look good for "going green" and save a few pennies.
If we are going to go with anecdotal evidence then out of the dozen or so of these cases I have over 360, Wii and DVD, I've had 0 damaged. Maybe you are just unlucky or have trained monkeys working at your post office/UPS store. :lol:
I think the simplest solution that would please everyone would be just do the cutout on the front flap and not the back, therefore still protecting the disc. OCD gamers
are happy and Nintendo still gets to look good for "going green" and save a few pennies.mastagoalie
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[quote name='Stainless Alloy']I just bought Mario Galaxy 2 and it came in an eco box
, the ones with all the holes in it that wont do anything to protect your game. Is any one else pissed off about this? These boxes do not save the environment, they are just cheaper to make.[/QUOTE]
do you complain that your cigarettes box isn't really crush proof too? Do you plan to try a crush test with the game in the box? No then why do you care when the big N is charging 10 less for games than sony and ms. if you really have a problem, go snatch a game case from gamestop (5 finger probably) and make your problem better.
, the ones with all the holes in it that wont do anything to protect your game. Is any one else pissed off about this? These boxes do not save the environment, they are just cheaper to make.[/QUOTE]do you complain that your cigarettes box isn't really crush proof too? Do you plan to try a crush test with the game in the box? No then why do you care when the big N is charging 10 less for games than sony and ms. if you really have a problem, go snatch a game case from gamestop (5 finger probably) and make your problem better.
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[quote name='Corvin']If we are going to go with anecdotal evidence then out of the dozen or so of these cases I have over 360, Wii and DVD, I've had 0 damaged. Maybe you are just unlucky or have trained monkeys working at your post office/UPS store. :lol:
I think the simplest solution that would please everyone would be just do the cutout on the front flap and not the back, therefore still protecting the disc. OCD gamers are happy and Nintendo still gets to look good for "going green" and save a few pennies.[/QUOTE]
What I think is hilarious is that Nintendo packed in 3.3 ounces of paper into their 1.9 ounce "green" Super Mario Galaxy 2 case.
I think the simplest solution that would please everyone would be just do the cutout on the front flap and not the back, therefore still protecting the disc. OCD gamers
are happy and Nintendo still gets to look good for "going green" and save a few pennies.[/QUOTE]What I think is hilarious is that Nintendo packed in 3.3 ounces of paper into their 1.9 ounce "green" Super Mario Galaxy 2 case.
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You want to complain, how about these crappy flat cardboard mailers with no padding being used to ship games from Amazon & Gamestop so the cases arrive crushed.
Wow, I only just found out from this thread that Nintendo finally is changing cases. Sure am happy I got mine in an original case or I would have been pissed. Just by principle no one should stand for such shitty cases. No matter how much anyone thinks its a good idea, they could have saved a ton more plastic if they just shortened them to ps3 game case sizes (and not including the blu ray top piece of plastic no one has purpose for).
It's just bullshit to have solid cases, then later say, "oh, we should have never had made solid cases!" Yeah ok, lets just cut into an existing design and completely compromise it.
Those who stack cases ontop each other should know they do not like being stacked, they like being shelved, but even then you always start crushing the artwork anytime you take the case into your hand.
In my opinion, the design is lazy, half-assed, and all PR, none of it was done for the environment, look at the recycle icon on left size. Just who the hell recycles a game case, or throws them out? And if that was a problem, guess what, its your town's fault for not giving you an opportunity to rid yourself of your excess plastic.
I will continue to not buy new games from now on that could contain these shit for cases and replace them with the real ones, as I have already done with Xbox360 since Modern Warfare 2. Next gen cases can't come soon enough (assuming they come up with a non-shit design).
Let me protect my investment DAMN IT! GIMME REAL CASES!
I think I found an appropriate comment on destructoid:
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Shitty disposable box? No booklet? DRM piece of shit?
No thanks, I'll get it on Steam or Pirate Bay instead, that's eco for real.
What I actually need to want to possess a physical copy is a shiny expensive-looking box, a beautiful artsy booklet and the guaranteed my copy will work for as long as I own it."
This change can most definitely give more people reason to just pirate a game, whats the benefit to buying the physical legit copy? Eco case isn't in favor of the matter.
It's just bullshit to have solid cases, then later say, "oh, we should have never had made solid cases!" Yeah ok, lets just cut into an existing design and completely compromise it.
Those who stack cases ontop each other should know they do not like being stacked, they like being shelved, but even then you always start crushing the artwork anytime you take the case into your hand.
In my opinion, the design is lazy, half-assed, and all PR, none of it was done for the environment, look at the recycle icon on left size. Just who the hell recycles a game case, or throws them out? And if that was a problem, guess what, its your town's fault for not giving you an opportunity to rid yourself of your excess plastic.
I will continue to not buy new games from now on that could contain these shit for cases and replace them with the real ones, as I have already done with Xbox360 since Modern Warfare 2. Next gen cases can't come soon enough (assuming they come up with a non-shit design).
Let me protect my investment DAMN IT! GIMME REAL CASES!
I think I found an appropriate comment on destructoid:
"
Shitty disposable box? No booklet? DRM piece of shit?
No thanks, I'll get it on Steam or Pirate Bay instead, that's eco for real.
What I actually need to want to possess a physical copy is a shiny expensive-looking box, a beautiful artsy booklet and the guaranteed my copy will work for as long as I own it."
This change can most definitely give more people reason to just pirate a game, whats the benefit to buying the physical legit copy? Eco case isn't in favor of the matter.
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Is it just me, or is the reaction to these "eco-cases" being blown slightly out of proportion here?
Jewel cases are terrible. You can make the cases smaller but then there's shelf space to consider. Manuals? Personally I hate the two-page black-and-white manuals that EA put in their cases, partly because they slide out really easily.
Was there an uproar when PC games went to thinner DVD cases?
Jewel cases are terrible. You can make the cases smaller but then there's shelf space to consider. Manuals? Personally I hate the two-page black-and-white manuals that EA put in their cases, partly because they slide out really easily.
Was there an uproar when PC games went to thinner DVD cases?
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[quote name='Corvin']If we are going to go with anecdotal evidence then out of the dozen or so of these cases I have over 360, Wii and DVD, I've had 0 damaged. Maybe you are just unlucky or have trained monkeys working at your post office/UPS store. :lol:[/QUOTE]
Well, see, it makes sense that you don't care as you haven't had any problems. I've had enough that I'm adamantly against the eco case.
Well, see, it makes sense that you don't care as you haven't had any problems. I've had enough that I'm adamantly against the eco case.
Cons that apply to these Eco cases are:
You can unhealthily twist the case
Normal use of the disk release button will force you to make indents in the back of the case because of the weakness of the whole case refuses to stay still when you attempt to remove a disk the normal way.
They don't always snap closed in an acceptable manner, usually due to the tendency for the case to twist before actually letting the snap pieces go in correctly. You could twist it to get it to close without actually sandwiching the edge as normal!
They can be punctured by any number of things and potentially let you ruin a case or disk rather than just damaging the plastic wrap over the artwork. Whether people think someone is stupid for allowing something like this or not, some people are parent's have kids, and they destroy things very easily. A good bunch of parents actually backup game disks just so the kids don't ruin the originals!
Bad PR, you may not beable to please everyone, but 'going green' was always bullshit. The only reason someone will beable to speak well of 'going green' is when not only is it more profitable, but more reasonable in terms of our impact on the world as they say, and the opportunities it creates for people, alternatives of oil consumption for example is a good thing. Just remember that these cases are not anything but a way to save plastic, which intern saves cash for the manufacturer of the plastic cases, not anyone else.
Manuals get the same axe quickly after because the we don't make a big enough collective fuss about it. (For xbox360 this pretty much already happened from what I've seen)
Compromises the integrity of a case, why would you cut into a existing design to satisfy green movement freaks? But only to piss off your customers who don't even really throw out the plastic!?!
You won't see the savings that companies see on it, you will still pay the same price for less, because you are the loser. Look at game downloads for retail games? Maybe after release it may go to a more appropriate ratio of cost, but for releases, there is no excuse not to save the cash it takes to make the materials for a physical copy.
Lighter to ship is a pro for retailers and probably resellers too, but in general you won't see that cost savings when You do the buying.
Pros:
Saves the manufacturer in materials.
Good PR to non-gaming folks, and people who just don't understand and think its all good.
Allows retailers to probably save a small sum on all whole sales.
You probably could hoard the original cases now, sell them on ebay next gen when collectors realize how SHITTY they are, and make a nice 3-5 bucks per case! Something like that maybe..
Lighter to ship for retailers, less plastic = less weight = less cost to mail.
You can trade you games away with the awful cases and get rid of them, ?!?!, and profit?
Hmm did I miss anything?
You can unhealthily twist the case
Normal use of the disk release button will force you to make indents in the back of the case because of the weakness of the whole case refuses to stay still when you attempt to remove a disk the normal way.
They don't always snap closed in an acceptable manner, usually due to the tendency for the case to twist before actually letting the snap pieces go in correctly. You could twist it to get it to close without actually sandwiching the edge as normal!
They can be punctured by any number of things and potentially let you ruin a case or disk rather than just damaging the plastic wrap over the artwork. Whether people think someone is stupid for allowing something like this or not, some people are parent's have kids, and they destroy things very easily. A good bunch of parents actually backup game disks just so the kids don't ruin the originals!
Bad PR, you may not beable to please everyone, but 'going green' was always bullshit. The only reason someone will beable to speak well of 'going green' is when not only is it more profitable, but more reasonable in terms of our impact on the world as they say, and the opportunities it creates for people, alternatives of oil consumption for example is a good thing. Just remember that these cases are not anything but a way to save plastic, which intern saves cash for the manufacturer of the plastic cases, not anyone else.
Manuals get the same axe quickly after because the we don't make a big enough collective fuss about it. (For xbox360 this pretty much already happened from what I've seen)
Compromises the integrity of a case, why would you cut into a existing design to satisfy green movement freaks? But only to piss off your customers who don't even really throw out the plastic!?!
You won't see the savings that companies see on it, you will still pay the same price for less, because you are the loser. Look at game downloads for retail games? Maybe after release it may go to a more appropriate ratio of cost, but for releases, there is no excuse not to save the cash it takes to make the materials for a physical copy.
Lighter to ship is a pro for retailers and probably resellers too, but in general you won't see that cost savings when You do the buying.
Pros:
Saves the manufacturer in materials.
Good PR to non-gaming folks, and people who just don't understand and think its all good.
Allows retailers to probably save a small sum on all whole sales.
You probably could hoard the original cases now, sell them on ebay next gen when collectors realize how SHITTY they are, and make a nice 3-5 bucks per case! Something like that maybe..
Lighter to ship for retailers, less plastic = less weight = less cost to mail.
You can trade you games away with the awful cases and get rid of them, ?!?!, and profit?
Hmm did I miss anything?
[quote name='thegreek']I want my 1/4 cent!!![/QUOTE]
The savings comes, primarily, I believe, from lowered shipping costs. Less weight per game means less money spent on shipping. I imagine that the savings for them is quite substantial. These cases are primarily about reducing costs, not really so much about being green. Having said that, using less plastic also has an environmental benefit. Plastic fills landfills for eternity. On the other hand, hand, if the cases are so cheap that they tend to break, then more of the cases are going to end up in the landfill then did before, so it could actually be worse! So there's a balance that needs to be met for this really to have a green benefit, and for that matter, not a green detriment.
Myself, I can't say whether or not these new lighter cases are bad from a non-breaking standpoint. My copy of Read Dead Redemption arrived with the spindle partly broken, but those spindles have come partly broken on the older, heavier cases as well, so I'm not sure that's an indication of anything there.
[/QUOTE]The savings comes, primarily, I believe, from lowered shipping costs. Less weight per game means less money spent on shipping. I imagine that the savings for them is quite substantial. These cases are primarily about reducing costs, not really so much about being green. Having said that, using less plastic also has an environmental benefit. Plastic fills landfills for eternity. On the other hand, hand, if the cases are so cheap that they tend to break, then more of the cases are going to end up in the landfill then did before, so it could actually be worse! So there's a balance that needs to be met for this really to have a green benefit, and for that matter, not a green detriment.
Myself, I can't say whether or not these new lighter cases are bad from a non-breaking standpoint. My copy of Read Dead Redemption arrived with the spindle partly broken, but those spindles have come partly broken on the older, heavier cases as well, so I'm not sure that's an indication of anything there.
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My Super Mario Galaxy 2 from Amazon had one of the newer cases.
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My Mario Galaxy 2 has one of these "eco-cases". While I make sure my discs are in top not condition, it makes me ask the question: Why do we even have cases if they have big holes cut out that makes damaging your disk, 10x easier?
Seems kinda pointless here. Also it annoys me that if my back gets damaged (which it wont but if it did) my disk will become aing dust magnet.
Seems kinda pointless here. Also it annoys me that if my back gets damaged (which it wont but if it did) my disk will become a
ing dust magnet.
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