Nintendo's big suprise: It plays CDs of every CDrom based non-Sony console

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[quote name='CapAmerica']I can prove your wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt I'm sending you a PM with a link to a fully working Sega Saturn emulator. There is a little program called SSF 0.07 (To Mods: If its a mistake to mention the name sorry in advance.) And I know it works cause I've used it to play my copy of Nights and Dead or Alive.

Who is full of shit now? Cause I know its not me.[/quote]

Giri Giri was the first and best to play saturn emulatated games, so good, that instead of suing them, Sega bought the source code. SSF on the other hand, requires a VERY beefy graphics card as the coding is dogshit in comparison to Giri Giri. The Dreamcast is also out there, but the only emulator worth a shit is Chankcast, and it only plays a few games, namely Dead or Alive 2. Most other games look like hell. Either way, both SSF and Chankcast require more than a 1.5 AMD to get a framerate over 3 a sec... so yes, you're completely full of shit.

I know my emulators, as a couple friends of mine and I made the Original Dreamsnes emulator years back to play Snes games on the Dreamcast. The Dreamcast, even now... after multiple changes can barely play any Snes games more than 90% speed.

Emulators are fun, but first rule of emulation is that you need a machine 3X faster than the machine you're emulating. Also, the revolution would have to be the size of a Xbox 1 to fit all the GPUs of consoles past. There isnt, nor will there ever be one chip that can process all... as all systems were coded differently.

Also, Japan is making it illegal to sell games before the year 2000 starting in April... so there goes that market.

Lets not forget that Nintendo is here to make money, not fulfill your greatest fantasies... If Panzer Dragoon is destine to make it to the Revolution (or "GO") - it will be in download form, NOT Sega Saturn CD disc format.

Nintendo is not your friend.
 
Unless Nintendo wants to say "Here's a machine that plays everything, either via the original CD (in the case of CD formated games) or via download (such as cart-based games)."

And really, even if the Rev doesn't 'offically' play old game CDs, the fact that it can emulate them 100% accurately, which for the NES, SNES, N64, Gameboy, Sega Genesis, Turbo Graphix 16, and Turbo CD/Duo, what's to stop some hacker from just making it accept the original discs?

Hudson is in. Turbo Graphix and Turbo CD games will be on the Revolution. Confirmed by Nintendo, NEC, and Hudson. This is not speculation. They will be on the system, and Hudson is helping create the tools needed to play those games.

Sega is in. The Genesis, 32X and Sega CD will be on the Revolution. Confirmed by Sega and Nintendo. This is not speculation. They will be on the system, and Sega is helping create the tools needed to play those games.

So if they are working with the companies to build the tools needed to play these games with complete authenticity on the new machine, why on Earth is it so out of the question that if the system is disc based, you can just use the disc if you already have it? There's no money to be made on it? Are you kidding? It's a huge selling point for the hardware itself!! It's a gateway to get the machine in the hands of players who will then have the option of buying new games.
 
I'd be insanely happy if it could play Dreamcast games.

I just picked up the SegaGaga LE box set but alas my DC is back home in the States :(
 
The Japanese news release simply says that the Hudson Soft games will be available for download through Nintendo's service, nothing about it being able to play the physical cd. I'm not quite sure where the jump from that release to the Revolution being able to play all non-sony disc formats came from...
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']
Also, Japan is making it illegal to sell games before the year 2000 starting in April... so there goes that market.
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This statement right here through a wrench into everything proposed.

Nintendo isn't going to say "Oh hey Japan, you've supported us for years but we're going to spend resources on something to benefit someone other than you guys. But don't forget to continue to buy our products."

There's no real money to made on this. Nintendo may be the only true game company left, but they're not going to spend valuable resources to benefit a small niche group.

Its purely a pipe dream that will be forgotten in a few weeks. Remember when it was proposed that the Xbox could technically run Dreamcast games?
 
[quote name='Survivor Charlie']Oh give me a break. The PS2 can tell the difference between DVD movies, PS2 *GAMES*, CD *music* and CD Playstation 1 *games* right out of the box, no accesories needed. And the PS2 is certainly not some kind of magical mythical box that has teny tiny Oopma Loompas that manually input what kind of disc has been inserted.

I mean, yeah... Rev may not be able to play old CDs, but regardless a lot of you people here are ignorant.[/QUOTE]

That's because a PS2 has a PS1 processor inside of it, its a hardware solution not a software one. Thank you for playing.
 
I could care less if the system accepts older media from older systems. I'd rather be able to pop in a 2gb sd flash card, download a couple of games and play them off the flash with no load times.

Nintendo could very well support a lot of these older systems, but the ONLY way it will happen is through the download service. That way Nintendo gets some money and so does the IP owner.

So while it's a nice dream, it's unrealistic. Expect to be able to download these games and be happy. If nothing else, take all of this energy and focus it into getting NEC/Hudson to bring these games to the States, since they mismanaged the whole PCengine/TG16 thing maybe we can get some of the better games over here.
 
[quote name='alongx'] The Dreamcast - I don't know about that. It was a proprietary format disk, and thus may not be readable by a regular CD/DVD drive, but I never tried it and thus don't know. [/QUOTE]

Chankast. I win.

[quote name='PsyKyX']Well why can't a PS2 play all PS1 games correctly? Some games can't even be played on PS2.[/QUOTE]

The number of PS1 games that don;t work on the PS2 is tiny. Look it up.
 
once again people are acting like it is going to take a lot of effort to do this. The Xbox can run homebrew PSOne emulator pretty well. Same with Bleemcast on Dreamcast, and those are unsupported effort. With the right tools, it is not as hard as one would think.
 
[quote name='evanft']Chankast. I win.



The number of PS1 games that don;t work on the PS2 is tiny. Look it up.[/QUOTE]

It's usually the compilation discs that use an emulator (like Final Fantasy Orgins I think). The Ps2 cant emulate an emulator.

Correct me if I'm wrong, since I'm not 100% sure, just what I recall.
 
the big n must have paid some serious royality fees to these companies if they got a machine that can play diffrent system games outside of the nintendo family. Yes it would be nice to see dreamcast/saturn support on the machine since sega surrendered to the big 3 5 years ago..so basically sega's anyone's bitch as long as they feed sonic.

Im pretty pissed that sega shot themselves in the foot with that stupid gdrom crap. There is nothing these companies can do to prevent piracy..its gonna happen period and no matter how many millions of dollars they put into R&D for it, it will only take a few hackers in asia a few weeks/months to crack it and vola.
 
Just doesn't smell like Nintendo.

Let's just pretend for a minute that there are no technical restrictions and that the Revolution is actually capable of playing all the old discs. As successful as the Nintendo hype machine has been up to this point, do you honestly think that the huge surprise is going to be an elaboration on the virtual console? Come on.

All that buildup, the Kodak theatre rented out, and a dominating presence on the show floor to say 'Hey guys, we can play lots of old games' isn't it.
 
I'm sure there are more tricks up their sleeve. I actually think the machine has a GBA port and DS port hidden on it, with the so called 'magic wand' controller acting as the stylus. The machine will likely come with more then one type of shell, have an XBox 360ish hardrive-or-no hardrive option where if you buy the HD set, it comes with some classic games preinstalled, have a microphone on the controller, and a bunch of other stuff. The DS will likely be able to act as a wireless controller too, I'm sure.
 
[quote name='Survivor Charlie']I'm sure there are more tricks up their sleeve. I actually think the machine has a GBA port and DS port hidden on it, with the so called 'magic wand' controller acting as the stylus. The machine will likely come with more then one type of shell, have an XBox 360ish hardrive-or-no hardrive option where if you buy the HD set, it comes with some classic games preinstalled, have a microphone on the controller, and a bunch of other stuff. The DS will likely be able to act as a wireless controller too, I'm sure.[/quote]

Now you are just reaching for shit. They have said time and again the Rev will use SD memory cards. It won't have HDD because it uses flash memory. You aren't even trying anymore.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']

Im pretty pissed that sega shot themselves in the foot with that stupid gdrom crap. There is nothing these companies can do to prevent piracy..its gonna happen period and no matter how many millions of dollars they put into R&D for it, it will only take a few hackers in asia a few weeks/months to crack it and vola.[/QUOTE]
the gamecube disc is actually pretty successful aganist piracy. Even with a burner it is very difficult to burn a backup gamecube disc.
 
[quote name='Kendal']Now you are just reaching for shit. They have said time and again the Rev will use SD memory cards. It won't have HDD because it uses flash memory. You aren't even trying anymore.[/quote]

Yeap. Having a second shell and a two-tier pricing scheme would completely go against everything Nintendo's been trying to do. Also, a rev-specific microphone is likely going to be a peripheral in order to cut out cost/size from the final product.
 
This rumor makes no sense, really. How many people actually have old TG-16 CD, Seag CD/Saturn/Dreamcast games lying around? It's not like, for the most part, you can walk into your local EB/GS and buy such a thing. You mostly have to hit up a pawn shop or locally owned game shop, and even then you'll find a small selection of titles, and fewer everyday.

I think the VC for these systems will be downloading only. That's still cool, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Sega getting very cozy with Nintendo to help exploit some of their back catalog.
 
[quote name='elwood731']This rumor makes no sense, really.[/quote]

As far as I know, it's not EVEN a rumor. This guy pulled it out of thin air on his own.
 
[quote name='evanft']The number of PS1 games that don;t work on the PS2 is tiny. Look it up.[/QUOTE]
I never gave a number. I said it can't play all. I don't need to look it up. I know it's a miniscule amount. I'm just saying ;)

Anyway, I was in reply to this[quote name='rabidmonkeys']That's because a PS2 has a PS1 processor inside of it, its a hardware solution not a software one. Thank you for playing.[/QUOTE]
I meant to show that it is not purely a hardware solution in the PS2 for bc of PS1 games. That is why not all games are fully compatible.
 
[quote name='Kendal']Now you are just reaching for shit. They have said time and again the Rev will use SD memory cards. It won't have HDD because it uses flash memory. You aren't even trying anymore.[/QUOTE]

Thank God, finally someone with some sense. I've been fighting with him since his first post and no one is coming to bat. The only reason these are "rumors" is because he pulled them out of his ass.
 
Clearly, the big secret is a sexable orifice. It was originally envisioned for myself, hence why it is a big surprise. DO YOU SEE WHAT I DID THERE?

Coincidentally, it is the same reason I am no longer allowed in the Target I bought my Gamecube from years ago.

Children and old grannies were tramautized, and how!
 
In my latest post above, I was simply suggesting that those other things COUDL happen, but I have nothing to back it up with. They were random guesses.

The main topic... the backwards compatibility with extinct systems... I'm not the only one speculating on that.
 
This would be fantastic, and the industry would stand to gain immensenly from such a leap in backwards compatibiliy. Backlists are huge tapable resources, ask anyone inn music, movies, tv or books. However, if you can play old games, that pretty much opens the doors for piracy. Forget about software protection, region coding, anything of that source if all you have to do is throw in the disc and the machine reads it.
Such a system would be a holy grail in the industry, and while I doubt it's existence, I stand to gain nothing as a naysayer.

I ache for this to be available.
 
hahahahahaa Nintendo do something that awesome? hahah no they cant even nail the virtual console or online play down. Baby steps guys.
 
[quote name='magiic']hahahahahaa Nintendo do something that awesome? hahah no they cant even nail the virtual console or online play down. Baby steps guys.[/quote]

You fucking idiot, why did you bump this thread? It's over a year old. Someone lock this.
 
[quote name='magiic']hahahahahaa Nintendo do something that awesome? hahah no they cant even nail the virtual console or online play down. Baby steps guys.[/QUOTE]

lol this thread is OLD

i was reading some posts and thought that the dude was weird for calling it the Revolution, and then I looked at the date's the posts were made.
 
[quote name='Scorch']You fucking idiot, why did you bump this thread? It's over a year old. Someone lock this.[/QUOTE]
whatta you expect. fuckin canadians =)
 
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