No Place for Lust in True Love?

Don, you have gotten alot of input on this topic thus far. but wth, ill give u some more:

your story sounds like one of two things, either
A. You have smoked your libido out, with either pot or some potent drug
B. You are a very conservative person, not unlike myself, but to a more extreme extent. You feel it is immoral to think of a loved one in a sexual way. That could be a result in an attachment to one parent, and neglect from another. typically nice mom, asshole father is what it sounds like.

anyhow, i'm not really a psychologist. but be honest with yourself, think hard about not being able to masturbate, that can actually be a serious problem.
 
[quote name='The Don']Actually, I don't know if I'm really in love, but I'm pretty sure what I feel is love. People always say that love is hard to describe. I can say that a love for someone is a feeling when you can't stop thinking about the person, when you feel that you can never be complete without her/him, and you would be willing to do any thing for him/her.[/quote]

This sounds more like a religion then love. You could be the first member of the church of Kate (or whatever her name is).
 
[quote name='JSweeney']Now, at the very basic level, everything, even charity, can be viewed as an inherently selfish action.

You donate money... why? Because it makes you feel good. Yes, there are philantropic things that add into it, an can be more noble reasoning, but at it's base level, you do it because it makes you feel good.

All of this foolish imagining and pedestal creation you're doing is to make you feel good... to bolster your ego, and to make you feel important. By creating this false image of a goddess, you're giving yourself importantance and stroking your ego all at once.

You're singlemindedly selfish, to the point where you probably aren't even going to talk to her because you're more in love with the idea of her and how it makes you feel.[/quote]
A proponent of psychological egoism are we;)
That's not necessarily true though. Yes, pleasure is often a result of our actions. However, just because it often results does not mean that it's always the chief motivation for what we do.
I go to university, and as a result huge debts await me in the future. Is that why I go to school? No. I go to university and there's a large number of attractive women here. Is that Why I go to school? No. I have to eat everyday and as a result I need to shit daily too. Is that a chief motivating factor? No.
Accordingly, do I donate blood just because it feels good afterward, or because I genuinely like to help people? Why is possibility #1 automatically favored over possibility #2? Why can't it just be possibility #2? Why can't it be a little of both? Why can't it be motivated by some other factor that isn't as readily apparent? I'd speculate that the answer is that psychological egoists are just cynical. :lol: In reality it could be any of those possibilities.

In addition, residual pleasure can also be far less prominent than other emotions that result as a consequence of our actions.
Example, a few years ago I conceded to ending a long-distance relationship with a girl I really dug because the separation was too much for her. Did I feel "pleasure" from doing the right thing, acting altruistically and conforming to a moral/social convention? A bit perhaps. For the most part however, I felt lasting and relentless emotional distress for months afterward. If I was acting out of selfish motivation there I really did a poor job of maximizing my pleasure to say the least.

I don't argue that there isn't a lot of essentially selfish human action. However, I don't think it's possible to prove that our pleasure is always the chief motivating factor in our actions.

That said, it sounds to me like the OP is forming his own reality in his head and he loves it(not necessarily her) so much that he doesn't want to risk puncturing what he's envisioned by approaching her. Don, you should get it over with and talk to her before the image inflates anymore.

In addition OP, by basing your reason for living upon a person(especially a person you seem to barely know on a personal level) you're setting yourself up for pain later. People and things come and go. Nothing lasts always. especially first loves.
Clinging on to a reason to live that is outside of yourself will leave you with nothing but emptiness to hold onto when the "Kate" phase of your life ends. I'm not saying you shouldn't relish the experience and relationship you develop with her. Indeed, live in the moments and treasure them when they're there. Just have some perspective and don't let it be the center of your life.
 
I stick to my earlier post. This is an obsession not love. You are obsessed with the idea of loving the girl. You see her as perfection because it is what you want to see, not because of what it is. You are just mixing reality with fantasy.
Maybe the girl is the one for you, but you've screwed that up but obsessing over her. No normal girl wants to be obsessed about by someone they don't really know. That is creepy. If she is a girl who wants to be obsessed about then she is indeed far from perfect.
 
[quote name='AngellicLulu']I stick to my earlier post. This is an obsession not love. You are obsessed with the idea of loving the girl. You see her as perfection because it is what you want to see, not because of what it is. You are just mixing reality with fantasy.
Maybe the girl is the one for you, but you've screwed that up but obsessing over her. No normal girl wants to be obsessed about by someone they don't really know. That is creepy. If she is a girl who wants to be obsessed about then she is indeed far from perfect.[/quote]

Yes, Lulu would know, because she is perfect.


See how creepy that sounds, TheDon, if you read it as if it were posted in adulation? Now, it reads as rather snarky if it were posted in a sarcastic manner.

I wonder what I mean... one can derive mutliple conclusions from that one sentence. :)
 
[quote name='sandrokstar']Don, you have gotten alot of input on this topic thus far. but wth, ill give u some more:

your story sounds like one of two things, either
A. You have smoked your libido out, with either pot or some potent drug
B. You are a very conservative person, not unlike myself, but to a more extreme extent. You feel it is immoral to think of a loved one in a sexual way. That could be a result in an attachment to one parent, and neglect from another. typically nice mom, asshole father is what it sounds like.

anyhow, i'm not really a psychologist. but be honest with yourself, think hard about not being able to masturbate, that can actually be a serious problem.[/QUOTE]As much as I want to try pot or some potent drug, I have never done them. You are correct on B. I do feel it is immoral to think of a loved one in a sexual way. I do like my mom more than my dad. My father could really be an asshole sometimes. My mother is more easy going. I never said I couldn't masturbate. I could do that any time I want to, I just choose not to do it. I just woke up with a pretty erotic dream actually, and when I woke up, I wanted to masturbate, but I chose not to. The woman in my erotic dream was not the women I love though.
 
[quote name='camoor']This sounds more like a religion then love. You could be the first member of the church of Kate (or whatever her name is).[/QUOTE]Her name is not Kate. The person that said the quote in my signature is a fictional character from Pat Conroy's novel, The Lord's of Discipline.
 
[quote name='The Don']No, I created this thread to see if anyone has ever had a similar experience as I have. I know that guys think about sex a lot, but I wanted to know if they still have lust after they found love.[/QUOTE]


stupid introverted teens. yes, guys do still "lust" after they have found love. Sex is better when you love the person. Except it's not called "lust"-- it's called being horny. And if you really need it spelled out-- your little goddess is horny and she masturbates too! Oh noes!!!1~

I might agree that you're just in love with the "idea" of this girl...aka obsessed for some reason other than wanting to carry on a relationship with her.
 
[quote name='Moxio']Man, I missed everything. I don't suppose anyone wants to sum up the good parts?[/QUOTE]

Just read the whole thing, it's all very amusing.
 
[quote name='The Don']As much as I want to try pot or some potent drug, I have never done them. You are correct on B. I do feel it is immoral to think of a loved one in a sexual way. I do like my mom more than my dad. My father could really be an asshole sometimes. My mother is more easy going. I never said I couldn't masturbate. I could do that any time I want to, I just choose not to do it. I just woke up with a pretty erotic dream actually, and when I woke up, I wanted to masturbate, but I chose not to. The woman in my erotic dream was not the women I love though.[/quote]

LoL - it sounds like you have the romantic vs platonic love thing going on that was popular in Renaissance times among the upper classes.

Romantic love is tricky, the idea that it is the commonplace, age-old way to choose a mate is largely a fiction of 20th century western society.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']Just read the whole thing, it's all very amusing.[/quote]Yeah, I agree, read the whole thing. I foolishly ignored this topic after the first page, but went back to it now. It does get kinda tired at the end though, cause either he's taking this joke way too far, or it's just incredibly sad.
 
[quote name='botticus']Yeah, I agree, read the whole thing. I foolishly ignored this topic after the first page, but went back to it now. It does get kinda tired at the end though, cause either he's taking this joke way too far, or it's just incredibly sad.[/QUOTE]Nothing I said was a joke. I rarely joke around.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']Just read the whole thing, it's all very amusing.[/quote]

I think what dead of knight is trying to say in short term is

STALKER!

NUTCASE!

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Crazy ass psycho!

GODBOY!

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FREAK!

GET HELP!

Y HELO THAR Serial killer on Maury!

I think that's what the tone of this topic is.
 
[quote name='The Don']Nothing I said was a joke. I rarely joke around.[/quote]

You need to go back to the start of this thread and read through it objectively. Imagine someone else posted everything that you had.
What would be your opinion of that person? Can you honestly go through this entire thread, read it, and not see that this poster needs help from a source that isn't this message board, be it a heartfelt discussion with someone who actually gives a rat's ass, a mental health professional, or a sharp dose of reality dished out by the object of his affections?
 
[quote name='JSweeney']You need to go back to the start of this thread and read through it objectively. Imagine someone else posted everything that you had.
What would be your opinion of that person? Can you honestly go through this entire thread, read it, and not see that this poster needs help from a source that isn't this message board, be it a heartfelt discussion with someone who actually gives a rat's ass, a mental health professional, or a sharp dose of reality dished out by the object of his affections?[/QUOTE]Yes, it does sound like a joke, but, no, I wasn't joking around.
 
[quote name='The Don']Yes, it does sound like a joke, but, no, I wasn't joking around.[/QUOTE]


that wasn't the point of Jsweeney's post...
 
I am married. It''s been a year. I totally agree with you. No Place for Lust in True Love. Whenever I try to look at my wife as a sex object, I can not. She is very beautiful and when we make Love it is the best experience for the both of us. When I try to break her off like she's a freak, it feels funny.
 
This sounds like the prequel to East of Eden where Adam obsesses over Cathy by creating a "pristine image" of her that she could never live up to. The ending to this? Cathy sleeps with his brother, aggressively takes over a brothel, and shoots Adam in the shoulder.

But maybe your story is different.:roll:
 
oh god, i just got over one of these crushes (I won't admit it was this extreme, but the girl did seem great on the surface, but was actually incredibly self-centered)...

OP's gonna look back on this topic in two weeks and want to vomit...

EDIT: and now i reilized i only read up to page 5... goodie! more fun, don't spoil the ending for me

EDIT2: I have to mention that my girl was really hot as hell, not "She's not skinny and hot. She's cute and has a little bit of fat on her. I have never liked a girl that had some fat."
 
[quote name='Squall835']I just hope this thread gets some kind of closure. This story is too weird, it needs some kind of ending.[/QUOTE]

Cheapy's in talks with Warner Bros. for the movie and sequel rights.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']:rofl: That pic of Bob Saget cracks me up every time I've see it, and it's done that to me for years.[/QUOTE]
One time, I saw it on Hot or Not and I just fuckin' roared.
 
[quote name='Squall835']I just hope this thread gets some kind of closure. This story is too weird, it needs some kind of ending.[/quote]

The process in motion. The girl's friend already knows...
In the near term, this will lead to the girl finding out, and bring everything to a neat little conclusion. However, with the way the OP has been through the entire thread, I'm not sure if he has the stones to man up and admit that he was wrong when that realization hits.
 
[quote name='Squall835']I just hope this thread gets some kind of closure. This story is too weird, it needs some kind of ending.[/QUOTE]I plan to ask her out Wednesday after school in the club that we attend. I will tell you guys the results either in this thread or another thread. I hope she likes coffee.
 
[quote name='The Don']I plan to ask her out Wednesday after school in the club that we attend. I will tell you guys the results either in this thread or another thread. I hope she likes coffee.[/quote]

Coffee is the code word for sex, just like movies are the code for making out.
 
[quote name='The Don']I have a crush on this one girl in school. I like her so much I would go as far to say that I love her. I say that because I feel empty inside of me. I feel like I can never be complete without her. I hurt whenever I think of her and everything that I do, hear, see, taste reminds me of her. Right now as I sit here typing, I am wondering what she is doing right now. Love is a miraculous sensation. It has changed me. Everything that I used to do, do not matter to me anymore. I no longer want to play videogames or watch TV. One of the weirdest things is that I no longer want to masturbate either. I have gone through two straight weeks without masturbating. Since I think of this girl every second of my life, masturbating would make me think that I am having sex with this girl, taking her innocence away, and I do not want that. If we get married, it will eventually happen for kids, but is not a priority. The previous girls that I have had a crush on, I have not thought about sex either. I have come to the conclusion that once you love someone, you will no longer think about sex. If you are in love too, is this true for you. If you are not in love, does the thought of never thinking about sex scare you? I just want her to feel love for me too. I want us to share a common life together.[/quote]

Nah I had that problem once in high school too, in time you'll learn to distinguish between unhealthy obsessions and love.
 
[quote name='Renzokuken']I'm still trying to figure out how exactly is this girl "perfect"?[/QUOTE]


She's a little fat. Not too fat, not too skinny.
 
Heh, I found this thread while working on a paper. Dude just spread a horrible rumor around at school about her to destroy her social status and destroy her friendships, then when her friends all abandon her and no one is there for her, move on in for the kill and comfort her. Once she is yours you can keep her all to yourself since none of her pesky friends will be around to take her away from you for those precious moments. You should probably lock her up in your basement away from a computer though, because if she were to ever see your thread, well.........

/Im glad that this is the last post at the moment
/I need to get back to my paper
/Bob Sagat is pretty funny
/lol
 
[quote name='E_G_Man']Maybe it didnt go well and hes in grieving.[/quote]

DUDE, PUT DOWN THE GUN!!! A RAZOR RUNNING UP YOUR ARM IS A BETTER WAY TO KILL YOURSELF!!

BUT MAKE SURE YOU FILM IT!
 
This is the original love thread. I just wanted to revive this for those that are confused in the second thread. By creating a second thread, I have brought in those who don't know what I'm talking about.
 
[quote name='The Don']This is the original love thread. I just wanted to revive this for those that are confused in the second thread. By creating a second thread, I have brought in those who don't know what I'm talking about.[/QUOTE]

I'm guessing you're missing out from some attention somewhere in your life.
 
[quote name='nickmad']this gay crap is out of control.
Don, go freaking whack off....you need to release the pressure on your brain.[/QUOTE]

You mean on his dick. And actually giving him advice to whack off might not be such a bad idea.
 
[quote name='Fire']You mean on his dick. And actually giving him advice to whack off might not be such a bad idea.[/quote]

i think the pressure might have moved up into his head blocking all rational/straight thought.
 
Every year there's one or two very special CAGs, those that go above the call of duty to amuse us at their own expense. Humiliation is not a question, it's a must. These special CAGs will stop at nothing until the mere posting of their name results in a chuckle or a rolling of the eyes. I believe we've found one of this year's donkeys.
 
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