Obama Bows to Saudi King (video included)

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http://www.examiner.com/x-7517-Seattle-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2009m4d9-Obama-bows-to-Saudi-King

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoJtoOqdvxo&feature=player_embedded[/media]

Now we bow down to totalitarian, terror-supporting monarchs? It was bad enough when Bush held his hand:

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[quote name='JolietJake']Yeah, i would have rather he pissed off the Saudis, that's what we really need.[/QUOTE]

Why would not bowing piss them off? No American president has bowed to them in the past. Didn't you even read the article? Not to mention no other world leaders at the G-20 summit bowed to Abdullah. After all, why should they? He is not their ruler, just like he is not Obama's (and thus the United States') ruler.
 
Stuff like this is funny to me. I mean it doesn't really matter that much, but to see Obama lovers everywhere bending over backwards to defend their leader is just wild.

It's been a while since things were like this with Bush.
 
If bowing gets me another 10 cents off my gas, I say bow away.

While you're at it, bow to the Japanese so they finally drop the price of that triple.
 
Honestly, it's nice to see a President with a sense of humility for once, as opposed to the "Don't fuck with us, or we'll fuck you back even harder" dumb jock mentality we've had with our foreign relations department for far too long.

Overall though, who cares?

~HotShotX
 
[quote name='whoknows']I don't see a reason to care.[/QUOTE]
It's just an example of Obama bumbling around, which contrasts with his cocky self-image. That's why this kind of thing is news.

I know, you still don't see a reason to care. :D
 
I think I take Dale Gribble more seriously than this sort of thing.

You guys sure have a knack for greetingdar (you know, like your gaydar, stupids). Fist bumps are terrorism, bows are....something....

Goddamnit, fuck it. I can't keep this up. Seriously. I don't even think I can imagine a scenario where any of this is worth worrying about AND where such worry makes sense, and I'm pretty sure I once dreamed of a reality where ice cream monsters living inside my nose dismantled the Berlin Wall while hosting the Tonight Show.
 
A mutual bow (like with the Japanese) is fine. But the President of the United States bows down to no man. Obama has a lot to learn about how to carry himself as leader of the free world, but this is usually the case with a younger President.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']A mutual bow (like with the Japanese) is fine. But the President of the United States bows down to no man. Obama has a lot to learn about how to carry himself as leader of the free world, but this is usually the case with a younger President.[/QUOTE]
How does this matter to you that much? I'm really asking.
 
[quote name='rickonker']How does this matter to you that much? I'm really asking.[/QUOTE]
I never said it did. He'll learn how to handle these situations over time.

There are those who fear he will pursue appeasement over confrontation with certain nations, but to link the two is a great stretch. This was a mistake, but an unimportant one.
 
Is it so bad to bow before a king? Unless you're God, you should always show respect to people of power.

And somebody's going whine about how Obama is going to work toward world peace instead of preserving American sovereignty.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']A mutual bow (like with the Japanese) is fine. But the President of the United States bows down to no man. Obama has a lot to learn about how to carry himself as leader of the free world, but this is usually the case with a younger President.[/quote]

I agree. I don't care if the president is a liberal or conservative, if he isn't a subject of said royalty he shouldn't bow, unless it is a mutual thing as dafoomie said.

In the grand scheme of things it's a minor issue, but that doesn't mean it isn't going to be talked about.
 
[quote name='detectiveconan16']Is it so bad to bow before a king? Unless you're God, you should always show respect to people of power.[/QUOTE]
The President of the United States bows down to no king, no caliph, and no tyrant. There is showing respect, with the mutual bow, and there is subservience. Did the king bow to Obama?

For someone who is so keen on symbolism, he blew it there. To bow down to a king is to be beneath them. The President of the United States is the most important man in the word and must command respect.
 
This is another non story pushed up by those on the other party. Next someone will post about that b.s story "Obama flies in pizza chef for pizza night". Instead of talking about real issues and problems, we get this shit.
 
This is a Jerry Lewis-caliber fuck-up... Which, needless to say, isn't a big deal - but it's still a fuck-up.
 
we got soldiers fighting and dying abroad, an economy hanging by a thread, and this is the biggest problem, well this and what dog they are getting. People need to get their heads out of their asses.
 
Non-issue. Just being respectful of a foreign leader in the manner of their culture.

If any thing, I like it as his trip has started the path of repairing foreign relationships and opinions of the US after the damage done by the Bush administration over the past 8 years.

There was a good piece in Politico earlier in the week that talked a bit about the trip starting to work to lessen some of the anti-American sentiment created over the last 8 years.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21001.html

The US's status as the lone super power declining, and will continue to do so with the rise of countries like China, India etc. in coming decades (Fareed Zakaria has a good book on this called The Post-American World). We can't go around doing whatever we like and pissing off other countries if we want to remain at the top of the coming global society.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Why would not bowing piss them off? No American president has bowed to them in the past. Didn't you even read the article? Not to mention no other world leaders at the G-20 summit bowed to Abdullah. After all, why should they? He is not their ruler, just like he is not Obama's (and thus the United States') ruler.[/quote]
It's a sign of respect. Seems like a lot of people would have rather he flipped the king off. All i'm saying is that we don't need the "fuck you" attitude of the past in this administration.
 
[quote name='detectiveconan16']Is it so bad to bow before a king? Unless you're God, you should always show respect to people of power.[/QUOTE]

This is a typical response on this thread. It's amazing people will comment without even reading the article and being informed.

Let me repeat: No American president has done this in 200+ years! We don't bow down to tyrants! Or at least we shouldn't. Obama is Abdullah's equal and not subservient. No other leaders at the G-20 bowed to him. Why did Obama? He is the leader of our country, not Abdullah's subject.

I guess it was too much to ask that people look past politics and just realize Obama made a mistake. Like him or hate him, he made a mistake. A big mistake symbolically. It was naive. Let's hope Obama realizes that touring Europe blaming Americans for everything that is wrong in the world, then bowing before a tyrant, is not what he was elected to do.

[quote name='dmaul1114']Non-issue. Just being respectful of a foreign leader in the manner of their culture.[/quote]

Not going to respond to every post that says this, but you are just flat-out wrong. No president has done this and none should do it. The other leaders at the summit didn't do it. It's not "business as usual," as you are making it out to be.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']
Not going to respond to every post that says this, but you are just flat-out wrong. No president has done this and none should do it. The other leaders at the summit didn't do it. It's not "business as usual," as you are making it out to be.[/quote]


NON-ISSUE.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Not going to respond to every post that says this, but you are just flat-out wrong. No president has done this and none should do it. The other leaders at the summit didn't do it. It's not "business as usual," as you are making it out to be.[/quote]

He made a small mistake. Get over it. You paint yourself as a Limbaugh type conservative everytime you open your mouth.

Are the Saudis going to invade us now? Will they raise the price of gas? No and no.
 
[quote name='depascal22']He made a small mistake. Get over it. You paint yourself as a Limbaugh type conservative everytime you open your mouth.

Are the Saudis going to invade us now? Will they raise the price of gas? No and no.[/QUOTE]

I'll "get over it" when (a) you actually read my posts and related material before responding; and (b) stop pulling stuff out of your ass and posting it in response to me, as you did here.
 
President Camacho wouldn't have bowed to no-fuckin'-body.

Seriously, though...folks? Can we save our outrage for something we should be outraged by? On a scale of importance globally, this is akin to burning a McDonald's to the ground because you clearly said to not put pickles on your sandwich, and lo-and-behold, what do you find on your sandwich?
 
Does bowing absolutely imply subservience?

It's just a question, and can be answered factually without bleeding heart partisanship.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Non-issue. Just being respectful of a foreign leader in the manner of their culture.

If any thing, I like it as his trip has started the path of repairing foreign relationships and opinions of the US after the damage done by the Bush administration over the past 8 years.

There was a good piece in Politico earlier in the week that talked a bit about the trip starting to work to lessen some of the anti-American sentiment created over the last 8 years.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21001.html

The US's status as the lone super power declining, and will continue to do so with the rise of countries like China, India etc. in coming decades (Fareed Zakaria has a good book on this called The Post-American World). We can't go around doing whatever we like and pissing off other countries if we want to remain at the top of the coming global society.[/quote]



Bowing to other human beings is frowned upon in Muslim cultures as all human beings are considered equal and bowing is only supposed to be done to God in Islam. Similarly, in Judaism the second of the Ten Commandments is generally interpreted to forbid bowing before anyone but God.

In Islam, there are two types of ritual bowing, Sujud and Ruk'u. Sajdah is to prostrate oneself to God in the direction of the Kaaba at Makkah which is usually done during daily prayers (salah). While in sujud, a Muslim is to praise Allah and glorify him. The position involves having the forehead, nose, both hands, knees and all toes touching the ground together.
Ruk'u is bowing down following the recitation of the Quran in the standing position while praying according to Islamic ritual (salat). The position of ruk'u is established by bending over, putting one's hands on one's knees, and remaining in that position until the individual attains "calmness".
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowing

I know this is wikipedia, but everyone here can take it for what it is worth. President Obama made a minor mistake and that is the extent of it IMO.

It isn't a matter of humility. Some of you make it sound as if each President for the last 200 years asks foreign leaders to get on their knees an blow him when he walks into a room. Yes, I realize the obvious joke that sets up, but I'm not going there. True humility is shown in discussions with heads of states by treating them as equals, not from a bow, a handshake or any other physical gesture.

The problem I have is that they denied it happened. There is no reason to do so. I have yet to meet a perfect human being and no one else has either.
 
Alright then. Sounds like it was a faux pas then.

But still no big deal. And people should be complaining about the bow being culturally inappropriate rather than ethnocentric, jingoistic garbage along the lines "the president of the USA should bow to no one."
 
You know what? I wouldn't have cared it Bush, Clinton, Regan or whoever else did it, and I don't care that Obama did it. There are much more important things to worry about than a slip of protocol in greeting a world leader. It's sad that people are in such a hurry to raise alarms over silly shit like this, but can't get up the effort to care about civilians killed in Iraq, schools underfunded and under-performing, millions unable to afford medical treatment for themselves or their children, or any of the other various real issues occurring right in front of us.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']I'll "get over it" when (a) you actually read my posts and related material before responding; and (b) stop pulling stuff out of your ass and posting it in response to me, as you did here.[/quote]

I actually read the OP and all of your garbage posts in this garbage thread.

Remember that Kevin Garnett commercial for NBA 2K9 when he points at his "homeys" and says "You're garbage and you're even more garbage than he is." Those are your posts, elprincipe. Extra stinky garbage that stinks up the joint even more than a BigT post.

What I said was valid. Will this small mistake lead to the invasion of a country in the name of freedom? Will President Obama's little faux-pas make Americans look like huge morons in the eyes of the international community? The only people (elprincipe in particular) that got pissed about this are bonehead conservatives that think our Presidents should never make mistakes unless it's the mind blowingly huge ones like invading a country for non-existent WMD's.
 
It honestly doesn't bother me. I didn't vote for Obama and I don't really give a shit about him. He sounds like a very strange person though...
 
depascal - if you want to ignore the truth, feel free to do so. Don't call it garbage because you can't accept the truth. What you said was bullshit, plain and simple. I made a point and you assumed that what I was saying = Rush Limbaugh. That is absurd, as you would know if you read any of my posts in this forum at all, or even all the posts in this thread.

In any case, there is obviously no use conversing with you given what your mind-set is.
 
Why aren't any of you denying it was a bow? That's what Obama says, right? You mean he's lying? Like that Texan guy? :shock:
 
[quote name='dafoomie']The President of the United States is the most important man in the word and must command respect.[/QUOTE]

And you all thought we didn't have royalty anymore :shock:
 
[quote name='dafoomie']A mutual bow (like with the Japanese) is fine. But the President of the United States bows down to no man. Obama has a lot to learn about how to carry himself as leader of the free world, but this is usually the case with a younger President.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='dafoomie']The President of the United States bows down to no king, no caliph, and no tyrant. There is showing respect, with the mutual bow, and there is subservience. Did the king bow to Obama?

For someone who is so keen on symbolism, he blew it there. To bow down to a king is to be beneath them. The President of the United States is the most important man in the word and must command respect.[/QUOTE]

Dafoomie is spot on. Not a super huge deal, but he certainly messed up.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Let's hope Obama realizes that touring Europe blaming Americans for everything that is wrong in the world...[/quote]You'll have to excuse me. I'm quite tired.

So.

What the fuck are you talking about, good sir or madam?
 
He's new and acted weird. It was obviously a fuck up, but it doesn't matter anyway. It has absolutely no meaning. We'll keep supporting their terrible government, just like we did when nobody was bowing to him.
 
The All Caps Rule: Making posts look really weird since 1967!

EDIT: Troy's Last Edit: Making my posts look really out of place since a few hours ago!
 
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[quote name='The Crotch']You'll have to excuse me. I'm quite tired.

So.

What the fuck are you talking about, good sir or madam?[/QUOTE]

I didn't recognize you with your new avatar.

Anyhoo...surely you realize by now you know that is actually a mainstream belief for cons.
 
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